Embarking on our Boston Massacre

Do not give up pitching however.  If you can do a Finley and Kotchman for him do it, do not give up Santana.  You know dang well Stoneman will play hardball if this trade is legit, so I don't think he'll give up too much unless Moreno pulls a rare Steinbrenner move and makes it happen.  So the biggest thing we have to worry about is another team sweeping in while the Angels are playing hardball.  If Manny is an Angel, you can afford to give up Bengie (I do like Bengie) and start his brother (that is better defensively, but not close offensively)and Mathis as the 1 and 1/2 guy.  Lineup without any other moves? (not sure if they'll open up the pocket book enough, maybe when/if that TV deal goes through..you know Damon will want to play here if they get Manny)

1.  Figgins (wish we had another leadoff type) CF
   
2.  Cabrera SS
   
3.  Guerrero RF
   
4.  Anderson LF (if Manny isn't here, this could be Anderson's best year yet)
   
5.  Manny DH
   
6.  Erstad 1B
   
7.  J Molina/Mathis C
   
8.  McPherson/Quinlan 3B (please be healthy Mac)
   
9.  Kennedy 2B

Rivera will play a ton when giving others breaks, and may even be a pawn in the trade.  I'd love to have a starting spot for him but we can't afford having him or GA in center defensively.

Staff:
Lackey
Colon
Escobar
Santana
Byrd/Saunders/???

Imagine the lineup with Damon?  He's overrated on defense but is one of the rare true leadoff guys.  Then Figgins could go to 2 or go down lower and play 3rd.  He could also be the 'rover' guy again.

don't do it--Manny has "clubhouse toxin" written all over him.  The Angels have had enough of those in their history to stock the rosters in half of the AL. How much of hitting is because he's playing at Fenway?

I don't have a good feeling about McPherson--hip and back problems in someone so young?  He needs to have a good year next year--I took a ton of abuse from my buddy I go to games with about Glaus.

I don't know the guy, but I have diehard Boston friends who admit they'll wilt a player with laser-acid-hate until they melt into carbon-based puddles.  remember how much Nomar loved to play at Fenway?  

Playing in Anaheim, excuse me, Los Angeles, is like a weekend in Club Med.  Our fans have expectations, but won't throw batteries to prove it.  

We's some classy individuals.  

And... Manny's not a hothead like Guillen.  Can anyone speak to Manny's flakiness?  besides peeing in a cup in the green monster....

Manny is a flake--that's a given.  But he's not an asshole who will screw his teammates to make himself look good or to piss of management.  Manny's an oddball, but his teammates always have good things to say about him and Boston fans generally love the guy.  If we can get him for a steal, I say go for it.  But, as someone else said, don't do it by sacrificing pitching.  Give them Finley and McP or some unproven farm guys, but don't give them Santana.

Did not know you were on the inside.  Thanks for the "inside" information.

Honestly, it sounded as if you knew some inside info.  And, it is big bro...

1-Manny Ramirez asks for a trade every 3 months.  Then, he changes his mind.  
2-His agent, supposedly said Ramirez went to the mall here and nobody bothered him.  Nobody probably recognized him.  Is that the reason you wish to be traded to a team?
3-Epstein is out.  But, Lucchino is a very smart baseball person as well.  Stoneman is in no better bargaining position just because Epstein is out and Ramirez (according to Rev, does not like Lucchino) is bound to be dumped.
4-Epstein put Ramirez on irrevocable waivers, not Lucchino.
5-I know we all want someone to take Finley, but really let it go.  Nobody is going to take him.
6-Ramirez is one of the best hitters in the game.  Given he is an imbecile, he is not going to be given away because of that or he wishes to be traded.  If he does not report, he is in breach of his contract and will be fined.
7-If Boston trades him to the Angels for nothing, there will be a revolt in Boston.  With the fans and especially the other stud hitter, Ortiz.  Ramirez shipped out, 120+ RBIs gone.  Plus, all of the production from Ortiz is gone as he is not pitched to.
7-Even IF we were to give the Sox Santana for Ramirez, that adds a great potential arm to Boston, but there are no bats in the market place that make up fr 120 RBI's (Ramirez and at least 50-60 more from the decreased production from Ortiz),
8-The Red Sox will not trade a power hitter that could harm them to a good team that would be great with his bat in the lineup.  Especially if no potentially great prospects are not in the mix to build around.
9-Even if Lucchino hates Ramirez and Ramirez hates Lucchino, this is a business.  The fans in Boston and Lucchino know this.  At the time Ramirez was put on waivers, there were other deals in the pipeline to replace him, (specifically, the A-Rod fiasco).  There is nothing in the market now to replace him (exception Konerko, and he's already said he doesn't want to go to Boston)

So, those are my specific reasons why I don't see it happening.  It would be unreal to add that bat to the lineup, but at what cost?  Santana, I say no as he has the potential to be a future ace and Cy Young winner.

With the deferrals, Manny's year to year contract runs at 17 million, so 3/51.  That's not overly pricey for such a fantastic hitter whose on and off field reputation overshadows his tremendous work ethic (spends a lot of time in the video and weight rooms; he's jacked underneath his baggy uniform).  He hasn't gotten to his hall-of-fame level by just cluelessly swinging a powerful bat.  He really knows what he's doing at the plate.  He's patient, he goes the other way and up the middle and he's a great situational hitter.

He may not run frantically to first in a show of hustle all the time but he does so from first to third.  I think Sciosia is the type of manager who would command his respect and he wouldn't do much that is offputting on the field.

And no, he's not a product of Fenway.  He was just as good at Cleveland before he came to Boston.  With his kind of power, he can hit the ball anywhere.  If anything, Fenway's spacious right field hurts his opposite field power.  He's hit a lot of deep opposite field shots that would have been out in most ballparks but ended up dying on the warning track.

If Manny is traded to LAA, I doubt inner circle young players like Ervin Santana or Brandon Wood are going to be part of the deal but I don't think he's going to go for just some peripheral prospects either.  Not only is he a hall-of-fame hitter but Lucchino and John Henry aren't stupid.  They would also get slaughter by the press, the players and the fans if they don't get a lot of value for him.  So no 26 year old 11.00 hits/9 Chris Bootcheks or Mike Napolis of the world.

That they let Theo walk.  So, if they trade Manny for a bucket of balls, (otherwise known as Finley), yes there will be a revolt.  Considering I have family living there, I think I have inside info, as they listen to the talk shows, watch the press conferences, etc.

And, I don't know where you get your info from, but Lucchino does not want to sacrifice Manny's production for pitching, because there is no pitching out there this offseason, (exception Burnett whom is close to John Henry anyway).  If he wanted pitching, he would get it IN the Manny deal, not after trading him for Finley.  That trade does not satisfy his "pitching wish".