OT: Cory Lidle plane crashes into building

by pattimelt on Oct 11, 2006 1:58 PM PDT

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/11/plane.crash/index.html

Confirmed 4 people dead so far...

I know he pitched his last game as a Yankee, but this is going too far..

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Unconfirmed at this point

But still...who would have guessed that "yankees" would be freedom-hating terrorists?

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 11, 2006 1:57 PM PDT reply actions

ESPN announced

Cory Lidle CONFIRMED DEAD. Passport was found at the scene.

by pattimelt on Oct 11, 2006 1:58 PM PDT reply actions

what I've heard is that he

radioed "mayday" and fuel problems. Makes me wonder though....accident or suicide?

It is all over the news that it WAS Lidle. Strange that he didn't turn around towards the airport that he took off from....why head into the maze of Manhattan?

REAL baseball fans don't hide in October.

by ladybug on Oct 11, 2006 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions

Now I feel like a dick for my earlier post

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Oct 11, 2006 2:05 PM PDT reply actions

why? what'd ya say?

REAL baseball fans don't hide in October.

by ladybug on Oct 11, 2006 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions

When it looked like the Yanks would play the A's

in the ALCS, I made a comment in jest about hoping the planes collided in mid-air. This hit a little too close.

Oh well, I'm already going to hell anyway.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Oct 11, 2006 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions

maybe you should replace Miss Cleo

REAL baseball fans don't hide in October.

by ladybug on Oct 11, 2006 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions

So do I

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 11, 2006 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions

He only had 400 hours

of experience flying the plane, and he was relying on visual guidance to fly, along with calling in with fuel problems.

This is definately a tragedy.

by pattimelt on Oct 11, 2006 2:15 PM PDT reply actions

the PLANE had fewer than 400 hrs on it

Planes are "aged" by hours up rather than mileage like on cars. I still haven't seen how much experience he has had. My guess is lots less since he only got licensed last year. FAA requirement is minimum 40 hrs, usually 60-80 are done to get licensed. I find it hard to believe he'd get over 300 miles AND play baseball.

REAL baseball fans don't hide in October.

by ladybug on Oct 11, 2006 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions

found it

Lidle claimed he had about 95 solo flying hours

REAL baseball fans don't hide in October.

by ladybug on Oct 11, 2006 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions

Someone made this, and I thought it appropriate

by pattimelt on Oct 11, 2006 2:22 PM PDT reply actions

Flip 10/11/06

around and upside down...9/11/01. conspiracies will be rampant.

RIP

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 11, 2006 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Concur.

The human brain is wired for pattern recognition. Also, the common person's understanding of statistics is at such mythic levels that of events such as these religions are born. You nailed it. It is only a matter of minutes before the rantings begin.

I. Will. NOT. Surrender.

by Stirrups on Oct 11, 2006 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions

The human brain is HARDLY wired for

PATTERN RECOGNITION - there wouldn't be so many stupid people doing the same stupid fucking thing all the tiime if that were true.

Some humans have the ability to spot patterns, just like some humans have the ability tto throw a ball 95 mph, but it ain't a "human" condition in the lEAST.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 11, 2006 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Dude. It absolutely IS.

The human brain, with its 15 billion neurons, performs fantastically "at such tasks as vision, speech, information retrieval, and complex spatial and temporal pattern recognition in the presence of noisy or distorted data" [Kara93].
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and on and on and on.

It's why so many people think that they see faces on Mars, and UFOs, and the Virgin Mary in fried bologna, unicorns in cloud formations, etc.

I. Will. NOT. Surrender.

by Stirrups on Oct 11, 2006 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Then what explains

fucking up if the brain is so great at seeing the same situation appear?

by Rev Halofan on Oct 11, 2006 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions

Maybe your baiting me here.

Because obviously I am talking about visual pattern recognition, whereas you are talking about experiental pattern recognition.

The photons are the same for all eyeballs. And all working eyballs convert the photons the same and send to the brain for processing. And all functioning brains process that information so that the organism can deal with it. But, yes, it takes a special kind of stupid to recognize the same information, and STILL choose to GIDP on the first pitch all over again.

I. Will. NOT. Surrender.

by Stirrups on Oct 11, 2006 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Ah,

I appreciate the distinction you made there between the visual and the conceptual.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 11, 2006 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions

actually, wouldn't you get

90/11/01?

My second favorite team for today: Tigers
A's will be elminated in 4 games
That's right... sweep

by thrill000 on Oct 11, 2006 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions

My condolensces to his family and the Yankees

I'm like a stepping razor don't you watch my size I'm Dangerous, said I'm Dangerous.

by AlohaHalofan on Oct 11, 2006 2:29 PM PDT reply actions

PER CNN

his flight instructor was also in the plane.

REAL baseball fans don't hide in October.

by ladybug on Oct 11, 2006 5:15 PM PDT reply actions

this is terrible

by thewebb on Oct 11, 2006 8:28 PM PDT reply actions

Cory Lidle

Went out like Thurman Munson

by Rev Halofan on Oct 11, 2006 8:37 PM PDT reply actions

Nice article about Cory Lidle

An eerie conversation

At the end of the day, he was just a regular guy like any one of us. The only difference was that his day job was playing ball in the bigs.

Every team wins fifty, and every team loses fifty--it's what you do with the rest that counts.

by cardinalwraith on Oct 11, 2006 9:16 PM PDT reply actions

wow

intense

by Rev Halofan on Oct 11, 2006 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Sad

He was a local guy too--born in Hollywood, lived in Glendora.

There's this quote from Arthur Rhodes when he was traded from the Phillies:

"He is a scab. When he started, he would go 5 1/3 innings and (the bullpen) would have to win the game for him. The only thing Cory Lidle wants to do is fly around in his airplane and gamble. He doesn't have a work ethic. After every start, he didn't run or lift weights. He would sit in the clubhouse and eat ice cream. ... He shouldn't say that, he shouldn't say anything like that because he is a scab. He crossed the line when guys like me, Flash (Tom Gordon) and (Mike) Lieberthal were playing. He is a replacement player".

I suspect Rhodes wasn't on Lidle's Christmas card list.

by Jim @ Halos Heaven on Oct 11, 2006 9:21 PM PDT reply actions

Donnelly

might be the last 1995 picketcrosser left in baseball...

by Rev Halofan on Oct 11, 2006 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Fuck Arthur Rhodes

And everybody that thinks like him. Any ML player who can't understand a guy trying anything and everything to live his dream, the same dream they fulfilled, is a ML prick.

Fuck the union. What's more important, your connection to Donald Fucking Fehr and your union, or to a fellow ballplayer who dreamed of playing in the bigs as a kid just like you did?

Most of the 95 scabs didn't even realize what they were doing. They were invited to have a shot to make a ML team, and they took it. Good for them. What was a guy like Donnelly supposed to do? Go back to his P.I. or exterminator gig because some millionaire jerkoff like Arthur Fuckin Rhodes might get pissed off? Please.

The Scabs in the big leagues are my heroes. More than any spoon-fed bonus baby asshole will every be, that's for sure.

One more thing with scabs. My local Ralphs supermarket was never better than the 2-3 months the union shitheads were standing outside smoking cigarettes and glaring at the shoppers. The college kids with weeks on the job ran circles around them. I was bummed when the strike ended.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Oct 12, 2006 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions

AMEN

ditto on the Ralph's experience.

REAL baseball fans don't hide in October.

by ladybug on Oct 12, 2006 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions

Panther

And, about Ralph's, did anybody else notice that this was the precise time that Home Depot installed their self checkout stations, which PROVED that checkout could be done by any reasonably intelligent person starting with their second pass through the system? It made those strikers look totally ridiculous.

I. Will. NOT. Surrender.

by Stirrups on Oct 12, 2006 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions

Corey's twin brother Kevin

is a former Angel farmhand, too. Listening to the radio yesterday, it seems the six degrees of Corey Lidle touched a lot of people...

"I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - Churchill

by johnnyangel101 on Oct 12, 2006 6:48 AM PDT reply actions

Prepare to villify me..

But Cory Lidle is now going to be considered a hero/fallen angel/Buddy Holly-type for being a shitty pilot who killed himself and a couple of innocent people because he wanted to be Iceman in the middle of Manhattan.

Where are the tears for the people he killed? They won't get any ESPN specials. Their families won't get to vent their angst on national television.

He was a professional athlete so we are all compelled to publicly mourn him and that's horseshit. I feel bad for the families of the people he killed.

by Higz on Oct 12, 2006 9:35 AM PDT reply actions

Do you listen to ESPN Radio?

Colin Cowherd was saying something very close to this just this morning. His point was that the American sporting landscape lost a couple of other athletes this past week, and they didn't even get a mention in the major media outlets. So why all the crush over Lidle? Admittedly, it is tragic. Admittedly, it is New York. Admittedly, this is post 911. But those are standard NEWS items. CNN kind of stuff. And NEWS organization covered it as such.

But why is Lidle being canonized in the sporting press when Haris Charalambous and Aaron O'Neal are ignored. ESPN never mentioned about Aaron O'Neal who, by all accounts, was an amazing young man.

Lidle, by current accounts, was a rookie pilot in a homebuilt airplane flying where he should not have been. And today NY sports reporters are asking why the AL didn't cancel last night's ALCS game.

I. Will. NOT. Surrender.

by Stirrups on Oct 12, 2006 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions

It happened in NY

therefore it is the big story.

That is how it works in America.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 12, 2006 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions

Didn't catch that.

I prefer Kevin & Bean or silence.

Interesting stuff though. What you point out only reinforces the idea of the New York-centric media.

by Higz on Oct 12, 2006 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions

it's simple: fame

lidle is more famous than aaron whats-his-name. that's why it's news. he's in new york, and alot of people in NY know of him or know him. that's why we hear about celebrity tragedies more than ones that happen to "normal" people.

if my neighbor across the street gets mugged, it's certainly a sad story, but my life doesn't change because of it. but if the Rev gets jumped by 11 A's fans, i want to know about it. that news is closer to my life, and that is why we are hearing so much about it. more people are interested in hearing about lidle than any of the other victims of this tragedy.

by yeswecan on Oct 12, 2006 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions

There was at least TWENTY of 'em

I swears and i was afeared fur mah life...

by Rev Halofan on Oct 12, 2006 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions

But alas...you survived!

Which goes to show that 20 A's fans can't hold a candle to one HALOFAN!

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Oct 12, 2006 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions

liar

um, there is no way that there even is 20 A's fans total is there?

by Zookeeper on Oct 12, 2006 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions

You know how

they exaggerate those attendance figures, right?

by Rev Halofan on Oct 12, 2006 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions

typical Cowherd

Playing the Shock-jock angle to get more calls. He ripped into Kirby the day he died when everyone else was doing a tribute for him. Why? To get calls.

Give the guy a nice tribute and talk nice about him for God sakes, he has died. Alot of people know who he was or can associate with him because he's on a team we all know about. National news doesn't honor/spend alot of time on the flight instructor for the same reason they don't honor our close family members when they pass.

Is the media honoring some guy that we've all heard of worse than us saying 'we shouldn't honor him because everyone else that has died is just as important!'

by thewebb on Oct 12, 2006 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions

Wrong.

I listened to it. Obviously, you did not. Cowherd was very subdued and respectful. He wasn't angling for controversy. He actually was trying to tone the whole media madness down and get it back into overall context.

I. Will. NOT. Surrender.

by Stirrups on Oct 12, 2006 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions

Look

I feel bad for Lidle wife and 6 year old son (no child needs to wonder why daddy isnt coming home), they are the ones that will suffer...

He knew the risk of flying an airplane and he took that risk everytime he went up in the air...

Agreed with Higs, they never once mentioned the flight instructor on the news or mourned for him. They did finally say he was 29 with a wife a young child and another on the way!

Damn tragedy!

Stoneman...the offense you put together makes be barf every night! DAMN IT!

by P237 on Oct 12, 2006 11:54 AM PDT reply actions

Panther

I can't imagine too many things worse than a child never knowing one (or, worse, both) of his/her parents.

Bring back Al Wisk!!!

by Sixtyminuteman on Oct 12, 2006 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions

what?

He knew the risk of flying an airplane and he took that risk everytime he went up in the air...

You know the risks of driving on the freeway right? So I'm assuming you never get in a car?

by thewebb on Oct 12, 2006 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions

Driving vs flying

I need to drive to get to work, get food, take my kids to school...Driving is a way of life

flying your own plane is a hobby and a choice. Last time I checked you dont fly your plane to the store, take your kids to school and or fly to the stadium every day to go to work...

Your comparision is not even close!

Make it happen Stoneman, impress us!!!

by P237 on Oct 13, 2006 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions

Actually

plenty of people commute by air - in fact Lidle was going home for the offseason.

It may be non-traditional but it is a method of commuting for many regardless.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 13, 2006 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions

and many people say

it's safer to fly than to drive, especially if you lived somewhere like NYC.

by thewebb on Oct 13, 2006 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions

i have heard that to be true

but not in this case

Make it happen Stoneman, impress us!!!

by P237 on Oct 13, 2006 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Flying IS safer than driving

Period. This wasn't skydiving, base jumping, or some extreme stunt. he was flying a fucking plane. he wasn't assuming any risk of note. that's all there is to it, and it was a non-sensical thing to say. and so what if he was flying recreationally? he also played baseball...why not scold him for taking the risk everyday of potentially dying from a line drive hit back at him?

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 13, 2006 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions

safety

Actually it has recently been shown that driving and flying are about the same safety-wise when considered in # of hours driving/flying. Since most people fly much fewer hours than driving, it SEEMS safer to fly, but it isn't.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 13, 2006 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Too many stats

Are you turning A's fan on us? Come clean.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 13, 2006 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions

ouch

good comeback.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 13, 2006 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions

how about this

when your number is up, it's up. period. stats be damned.

Flying isn't dangerous, flying low in a skyscraper filled sky IS. That would be like riding a Vespa on FasTrak with cars whizzing by at 90-100 mph

REAL baseball fans don't hide in October.

by ladybug on Oct 13, 2006 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Something was wrong with the plane

he was actually flying along the river, staying over the water the whole way. the transponder records or whatever the hell they are showed that he was over the east river just north of the building seconds before the crash and that the plane made a sudden, sharp turn and a quick drop in a 30 second period of time in the moments right before the crash, so they think something in the plane malfunctioned. he wasn't simply darting between buildings, and was at least INITIALLY flying higher than them.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Oct 14, 2006 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions

The Rhodes quote

What struck me about Rhodes quote wasn't the union thing, but the diss on Lidle because he wasn't apparently 100% fanatical about baseball (the "his plane and gambling" bit). The reports I've read seemed to paint a picture of Lidle as a guy who loved playing, but once the games ended, that was it. He was going to go play pool rather work out for another 2 hours. Maybe that's why he was a journeyman, but who knows?

One of the stories I read was from a writer who knew him pretty well. Lidle wanted to find a poker game he could play while in Philly or New York and he specifically asked the writer if he could recommend one that didn't have any baseball players already in it. He sounds like a guy who loved to play but basically used his major league salary to finance the things he really cared about, that he wasn't really "one of the guys".

After reading that kind of stuff, I very much got a "Jim Edmonds after he left the Angels" vibe, all the bits that came out after he left about his issues with his teammates.

by Jim @ Halos Heaven on Oct 12, 2006 8:46 PM PDT reply actions