Why Manny Ramirez makes the most sense
UPDATE: I moved this from the Diaries. Enjoy... (Rev out)
With all the trade talk and speculation out there the one option that makes the most sense is trading for Manny. The Angels and Red Sox are aligned well in this regard.
We need an impact bat. They need relief pitching and a shortstop now that Gonzalez signed elsewhere. Alex Cora will not cut it, and Theo knows this.
My guess is Manny could be had for O.C. and Shields straight up. If not, maybe Mathis could be included (Varitek ain't getting any younger). I see Mathis as expendable with Napoli and Molina in the fold and Conger 3-4 years away. While Santana is being linked to Boston for Manny, Shields makes more sense with the Speier signing and the fact that Boston already has 5 good/great SPs in Beckett/Schilling/Papelbon/Wakefield and (soon to be) Matsuzaka. Having Shields in the postseason increases Boston's chances of winning more than having Santana.
Figgins can take over at short or platoon with Aybar for a year or two until Wood is ready.
The net increase in payroll is only about $8 million leaving plenty of room to maneuver at the trade deadline as well as next winter when Bart's contract expires.
In a perfect world, Vernon Wells (or Jones) would slot nicely in CF, but when factoring in the net loss to the team in terms of ML talent (Santana) and future talent (Adenhart/Aybar), the price would be steep. The contract extension that would be borne would be at least 5-6 years and $16 million or more given the current market.
While Manny creates a log-jam of LFs, his presence in the cleanup spot would equate to ZERO intentional walks of Vlad in key situations. That's easily 10 more ribbies for Guerrero, possibly double that.
With Manny in the fold, Sosh could experiment with Rivera in CF with Figgins in Center on Weaver's day to start given the high ratio of fly balls.
Manny would probably need at least 1 option year guaranteed which would equate to 3 years at roughly $19 million per year. His contract expiration would coincide with Vlad's assuming his option year is picked up leaving $34 million in salary room in Winter 2009. Just in time for locking up the Weavers and Kendricks (and hopefully Santanas) long term.
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Cabrera, Mathis + prospect arm...
by Rev Halofan on Nov 21, 2006 5:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My guess is...
If this trade can be made without including Shields, Stoneman should attempt to package him with Saunders for Tejada. Then we'd have a middle of the order as good as any in all of baseball. Tejada's contract expiration would coincide with the other two as well.
I can handle seeing Saunders go if Santana remains in the fold.
by darkangel01 on Nov 21, 2006 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally about Shields
Peier is a nice addition but Shields is the best setup guy in the league. I might be biased.
by hauldog on Nov 21, 2006 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Shields too...
Besides, having a truly potent lineup would mean there would be fewer close late inning situations from which Shields derives his value. If he nets another impact bat (and spares Santana) it is more than worth it.
by darkangel01 on Nov 21, 2006 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bullpens are very important in the postseason
by hauldog on Nov 21, 2006 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True but...
by darkangel01 on Nov 21, 2006 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Postseason, right...
We signed JS for a reason, and that was to give us options. We're not going to see enough October series to care about the pen if we don't fix our anemic offense.
by Brendo on Nov 21, 2006 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Look at the second half stats the Angels offense put up. We'll be playing in October.
by hauldog on Nov 21, 2006 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
King Conger -- Friggin' untouchable!
by PieceOfAase on Nov 21, 2006 5:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
don't go putting
by SoCalSoxFan on Nov 21, 2006 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's what I'm saying
by Higz on Nov 21, 2006 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny being Manny
by elricsi on Nov 21, 2006 5:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lame Lame Lame...
by cupie on Nov 21, 2006 5:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok
by Clutch on Nov 21, 2006 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
inside joke
host being cupie.
Cupie of Omaha's Wild Kingdom
by Rev Halofan on Nov 21, 2006 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wrong catcher
by rbrianc on Nov 21, 2006 7:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
oh dear no
by Rev Halofan on Nov 21, 2006 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst outfield in history
Meanwhile, either Rivera, Figgins or Anderson becomes a part-time player. I wouldn't mind the latter, but it's the least likely.
There is no deal for me unless they take G.A. And they won't take G.A. Ergo, etc.
by mattwelch on Nov 21, 2006 8:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They'll drop their share of balls sure...
You'd have a better chance at Boston taking G.A. than G.A. taking Boston, what with his 10/5 rights and all.
by darkangel01 on Nov 21, 2006 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They'll drop their share of balls sure...
You'd have a better chance at Boston taking G.A. than G.A. taking Boston, what with his 10/5 rights and all.
by darkangel01 on Nov 21, 2006 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They'd also pile up at DH
by mattwelch on Nov 21, 2006 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No deal
by RallyMonkey5 on Nov 21, 2006 9:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Upgrades
So, will Manny be enough of an upgrade over Rivera for the extra money and talent we'd be giving up? I don't think he would be. Sure, if we were willing to replace GA with Manny, it'd be worth it but we all know that GA isn't going to ride the pine (and won't be traded).
by akathelorax on Nov 22, 2006 12:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps Rivera
There is only one team that G.A. would possibly accept a trade to and that's the Dodgers. They are need of a run producing bat and Eithier could shift to RF to replace the departed Drew.
They already have a popgun in center so G.A. might be a good fit. Stoneman would likely have to eat some salary, but who knows? If healthy Garret would probably have a renaissance year in AAAA.
by darkangel01 on Nov 22, 2006 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since he supposedly bitches about DHing
by Rev Halofan on Nov 22, 2006 1:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny Not a Priority
While much of baseball has speculated that the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim are the prime suitors for Ramirez, that may not be the case.
It's true that owner Arte Moreno promised Angels fans that his team would make a significant acquisition in the off-season to help protect Vladimir Guerrero. It's also true that with Aramis Ramirez and Alfonso Soriano now off the market, the Angels' free-agent choices have narrowed considerably.
But according to industry sources, Ramirez remains far down the Angels' wish list. Manager Mike Scioscia wants a more versatile player who can contribute defensively and on the bases, and the team has made Toronto center fielder Vernon Wells its number-one priority.
Wells is entering the final year of a multi-year deal and the Jays are unsure whether they can successfully sign him to an extension. But having signed DH Frank Thomas to upgrade an offense that already featured Troy Glaus, Lyle Overbay and Alex Rios, GM J.P. Ricciardi doesn't want to take a step backward.
He could always move Wells at the trading deadline if the Jays aren't in contention, or hold onto him and gain draft picks as compensation. At any rate, Ricciardi isn't the least bit interested in the Angels' opening gambit of Ervin Santana and infielder Erick Aybar.
Should the Angels strike out in obtaining a more multi-dimensional player, they could still look to Ramirez as a DH option. But for now, their focus is elsewhere.
Just because the Angels aren't eager bidders, however, doesn't mean there aren't other options.
by Barry on Nov 22, 2006 8:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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