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Why Manny Ramirez makes the most sense

UPDATE: I moved this from the Diaries. Enjoy... (Rev out)

With all the trade talk and speculation out there the one option that makes the most sense is trading for Manny. The Angels and Red Sox are aligned well in this regard.

We need an impact bat. They need relief pitching and a shortstop now that Gonzalez signed elsewhere. Alex Cora will not cut it, and Theo knows this.

My guess is Manny could be had for O.C. and Shields straight up. If not, maybe Mathis could be included (Varitek ain't getting any younger). I see Mathis as expendable with Napoli and Molina in the fold and Conger 3-4 years away. While Santana is being linked to Boston for Manny, Shields makes more sense with the Speier signing and the fact that Boston already has 5 good/great SPs in  Beckett/Schilling/Papelbon/Wakefield and (soon to be) Matsuzaka. Having Shields in the postseason increases Boston's chances of winning more than having Santana.

Figgins can take over at short or platoon with Aybar for a year or two until Wood is ready.

The net increase in payroll is only about $8 million leaving plenty of room to maneuver at the trade deadline as well as next winter when Bart's contract expires.

In a perfect world, Vernon Wells (or Jones) would slot nicely in CF, but when factoring in the net loss to the team in terms of ML talent (Santana) and future talent (Adenhart/Aybar), the price would be steep. The contract extension that would be borne would be at least 5-6 years and $16 million or more given the current market.

While Manny creates a log-jam of LFs, his presence in the cleanup spot would equate to ZERO intentional walks of Vlad in key situations. That's easily 10 more ribbies for Guerrero, possibly double that.

With Manny in the fold, Sosh could experiment with Rivera in CF with Figgins in Center on Weaver's day to start given the high ratio of fly balls.

Manny would probably need at least 1 option year guaranteed which would equate to 3 years at roughly $19 million per year. His contract expiration would coincide with Vlad's assuming his option year is picked up leaving $34 million in salary room in Winter 2009. Just in time for locking up the Weavers and Kendricks (and hopefully Santanas) long term.

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Cabrera, Mathis + prospect arm...
They have 2 more seasons of Varitek at $10 million per aging season - enough to introduce Mathis as a backup, get him used to Fenway and see if he stabs well at wakefield's knuckler. If it is Cabrera and Mathis, I say hold out offeirng Shields and see if they take a mid-level pitching prospect - Bootcheck, Hensley, who knows...

by Rev Halofan on Nov 21, 2006 5:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

My guess is...
It would take someone with the upside of Arrendondo. I don't see Bootcheck or Hensley having any real value. They'd just be a throw in.

If this trade can be made without including Shields, Stoneman should attempt to package him with Saunders for Tejada. Then we'd have a middle of the order as good as any in all of baseball. Tejada's contract expiration would coincide with the other two as well.

I can handle seeing Saunders go if Santana remains in the fold.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Nov 21, 2006 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally about Shields
If the rumors are true that he is going to lock him up and we can keep him, then we should.

Peier is a nice addition but Shields is the best setup guy in the league.  I might be biased.

Stoneman I am really curious what you have up your sleeve considering your job is on the line. PS GMJ is not an option

by hauldog on Nov 21, 2006 5:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love Shields too...
...but he can only help us for 70-75 games in a season (and only for an inning or two at a time). Tejada would help for 160 games and 9 innings or more.

Besides, having a truly potent lineup would mean there would be fewer close late inning situations from which Shields derives his value. If he nets another impact bat (and spares Santana) it is more than worth it.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Nov 21, 2006 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bullpens are very important in the postseason
Our offense was potent in the second half and with the D we will be running out there swing and miss pitchers are key.  Shields is integral to our playoff success IMO.
Stoneman I am really curious what you have up your sleeve considering your job is on the line. PS GMJ is not an option

by hauldog on Nov 21, 2006 5:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True but...
Most teams do not have strong 1-5 starting staffs. You only need 3-4 per postseason series. One or two of them would be available out of the pen depending on which game it is.
DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Nov 21, 2006 7:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Escobar
is great in this role.
Stoneman I am really curious what you have up your sleeve considering your job is on the line. PS GMJ is not an option

by hauldog on Nov 21, 2006 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Postseason, right...
That's that thing taht we didn't make this year- even with Scot Shields- right?

We signed JS for a reason, and that was to give us options.  We're not going to see enough October series to care about the pen if we don't fix our anemic offense.

by Brendo on Nov 21, 2006 10:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
OAK got neutered this offseason.  

Look at the second half stats the Angels offense put up.  We'll be playing in October.

Stoneman I am really curious what you have up your sleeve considering your job is on the line. PS GMJ is not an option

by hauldog on Nov 21, 2006 11:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

King Conger -- Friggin' untouchable!
This guy's the real deal, the Asian Piazza without the shitty catcher arm.  I hope Stoneman doesn't include him in any trade.  The dude just seriously mashes.

by PieceOfAase on Nov 21, 2006 5:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

don't go putting
him in Piazza's class just yet.  There is a huge list of Rookie League guys that flame out before AA.  Comparing him to a HOF catcher is a bit presumptuous.
A bad day at the ballpark is better than the best day at work

by SoCalSoxFan on Nov 21, 2006 5:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that's what I'm saying
I think you meant to reply to PieceofAase

by Higz on Nov 21, 2006 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Manny being Manny
I would expect Manny would want both of his option years guaranteed.  His D is staggeringly bad, so we would need to be sure he wouldn't pitch a fit when we move him to DH.

by elricsi on Nov 21, 2006 5:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Lame Lame Lame...
I can't wait to see Manny at Dave and Buster's on a Saturday night.

by cupie on Nov 21, 2006 5:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ok
I get the whole Jones thing, but Omaha?

by Clutch on Nov 21, 2006 7:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

inside joke
poker party wasted by host insisting on omaha tournament

host being cupie.

Cupie of Omaha's Wild Kingdom

by Rev Halofan on Nov 21, 2006 8:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wrong catcher
give them Nap, keep Mathis

by rbrianc on Nov 21, 2006 7:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh dear no
we will regret that really naps is the syte.

by Rev Halofan on Nov 21, 2006 8:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Worst outfield in history
Manny-Rivera-Vlad. Not much better with Garret. For a flyball staff.

Meanwhile, either Rivera, Figgins or Anderson becomes a part-time player. I wouldn't mind the latter, but it's the least likely.

There is no deal for me unless they take G.A. And they won't take G.A. Ergo, etc.

by mattwelch on Nov 21, 2006 8:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

They'll drop their share of balls sure...
...but they'll probably lead the majors in assists. They'll also hit more homers and drive in more runs than any outfield in baseball.

You'd have a better chance at Boston taking G.A. than G.A. taking Boston, what with his 10/5 rights and all.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Nov 21, 2006 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They'll drop their share of balls sure...
...but they'll probably lead the majors in assists. They'll also hit more homers and drive in more runs than any outfield in baseball.

You'd have a better chance at Boston taking G.A. than G.A. taking Boston, what with his 10/5 rights and all.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Nov 21, 2006 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They'd also pile up at DH
What with G.A.'s arthritis, Vlad's bad back, Manny's bad glove/head, and Kendry's bad timing.

by mattwelch on Nov 21, 2006 11:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No deal
Can't deal with Rivera in center for more than an emergency.

by RallyMonkey5 on Nov 21, 2006 9:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

lmao...
but I do agree...actually would prefer Wells.
Please do something good this offseason...

by gorams77 on Nov 21, 2006 11:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Upgrades
There are two fixture position players on the team and their names are Vlad and GA.  So basically, if you want Manny, he is going to replace Rivera.  And no, none of thos four can play CF on a regular basis.

So, will Manny be enough of an upgrade over Rivera for the extra money and talent we'd be giving up?  I don't think he would be.  Sure, if we were willing to replace GA with Manny, it'd be worth it but we all know that GA isn't going to ride the pine (and won't be traded).

by akathelorax on Nov 22, 2006 12:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps Rivera
can be packaged along with Morales and Saunders for Jones. Then you'd have the another impact bat AND a solid defender patrolling CF. If there is a way to land Jones without coughing up Santana that would nice.

There is only one team that G.A. would possibly accept a trade to and that's the Dodgers. They are need of a run producing bat and Eithier could shift to RF to replace the departed Drew.

They already have a popgun in center so G.A. might be a good fit. Stoneman would likely have to eat some salary, but who knows? If healthy Garret would probably have a renaissance year in AAAA.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Nov 22, 2006 12:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Manny Not a Priority
http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20061122_22sox.31d47f3.html

While much of baseball has speculated that the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim are the prime suitors for Ramirez, that may not be the case.

It's true that owner Arte Moreno promised Angels fans that his team would make a significant acquisition in the off-season to help protect Vladimir Guerrero. It's also true that with Aramis Ramirez and Alfonso Soriano now off the market, the Angels' free-agent choices have narrowed considerably.

But according to industry sources, Ramirez remains far down the Angels' wish list. Manager Mike Scioscia wants a more versatile player who can contribute defensively and on the bases, and the team has made Toronto center fielder Vernon Wells its number-one priority.

Wells is entering the final year of a multi-year deal and the Jays are unsure whether they can successfully sign him to an extension. But having signed DH Frank Thomas to upgrade an offense that already featured Troy Glaus, Lyle Overbay and Alex Rios, GM J.P. Ricciardi doesn't want to take a step backward.

He could always move Wells at the trading deadline if the Jays aren't in contention, or hold onto him and gain draft picks as compensation. At any rate, Ricciardi isn't the least bit interested in the Angels' opening gambit of Ervin Santana and infielder Erick Aybar.

Should the Angels strike out in obtaining a more multi-dimensional player, they could still look to Ramirez as a DH option. But for now, their focus is elsewhere.

Just because the Angels aren't eager bidders, however, doesn't mean there aren't other options.

by Barry on Nov 22, 2006 8:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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