Angels talking to Braves: Figgins and Kotchman for LaRoche

Personally

I'm on record that Casey Kotchman will be a bigtime All Star and am bummed to see him go.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 8:41 PM PST reply actions

I too would be bummed to see Kotch go..

If he does, here's hoping he's more Mark Grace than Will Clark. I'd rather lose Casey than Ervin, especially with Kendry on the horizon.

While it's AAAA, LaRoche's .915 OPS would have been 2nd to Vlad, he just turned 27 so he's in the middle of his prime, he's under team control thru 2009, and he hit 32 HR's in less than 500 ABs.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Dec 4, 2006 8:52 PM PST up reply actions

about Kotch, I don't think this is a bad idea. So far, the best we've seen of him isn't really any better than LaRoche has been. They actually seem quite similar, except that LaRoche has done it over more ABs.

Plus, maybe this is just one of those situations where Casey just needs a change of scenery to truly flourish.

by jjackflash on Dec 4, 2006 9:31 PM PST up reply actions

I concur

but having some stability and certainty at 1b would be very nice. LaRoche is a very similar guy to Kotchman so we'd basically be trading Figgins and the potential of Kotchman to lock in a sure thing.

by akathelorax @ Halos Heaven on Dec 4, 2006 11:17 PM PST up reply actions

Last Season

I was SUPER STOKED to see what Casey could do with a full season. During spring taining I was ready to name the guy my new favorite Angel.

So yeah... it would suck to not see him flourish w/ the Halos.

The last world series champion in California has "Anaheim" written next to their name.

by Anaheim of Anaheim on Dec 4, 2006 11:48 PM PST up reply actions

Concur

Dont like the deal, do not let the Kooch go, he deserves a shot once he comes back and proves he's healthy..

He is gonna rake and will be the answer we need at 1b making Morales the trade bait some time towards the end of next yeat... or DH the following year

For me it is really tought I want to see D-mac and the kooch perform to their projections!

Stoneman, so far NO GOOD!!!

by P237 on Dec 5, 2006 11:00 AM PST up reply actions

Easy There...

Please don't refer to Kotch as Kooch...makes him sound like a fishy player

by Angel Hawker on Dec 5, 2006 11:25 AM PST up reply actions

THE KOOTCH

Any player missing a year with mono while our team lacked offense is known as the KOOTCH

Stoneman, so far NO GOOD!!!

by P237 on Dec 5, 2006 12:07 PM PST up reply actions

Hahahaha

LOL

by Angel Hawker on Dec 5, 2006 12:08 PM PST up reply actions

interesting.

theres also a report on mlb.com saying the angels are shopping colon?

and saunders for chad tracy?

and that it would take shields and santana for a-rod.

i dont know who to believe! Personally, i dont even know what kind of value colon has. unless he has great trade value, id say his potential return is more valuable

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 4, 2006 8:47 PM PST reply actions

Please say it's True

While I love Bartolo, I think that if we can get rid of him and get a big stick in return, I would do it in a heartbeat. Where the Angels missed their chance was last season after Bart came back from his injury and pitched two good games, that's when they should have traded him.

But that's in the past. My worry about Colon is not so much that if he's traded he will become the next Roger Clemmins, but that he will come back and will not near as effective as he was before. If he stays I hope he returns healthy and learns some new pitches to throw, because I think his days of throwing in the 90's for 7 plus innings are done.

"Somewhere in suckass Arizona smokin' tumblweeds"

by Rex DaKine Budler on Dec 5, 2006 8:35 AM PST up reply actions

Big stick?

I wouldn't call Chad Tracy a big stick...He could even be a downgrade from in house options.

by akathelorax @ Halos Heaven on Dec 5, 2006 8:49 AM PST up reply actions

Who said he was?

Only thing that was said was Saunders for Tracy, but no one called Tracy a big stick. That said, Tracy is only 26 and could probably improve. If I remember correctly, he's a former top prospect and minor league stud, so his 2005 performance was probably not going to be aberration. I'd still settle for in-house, though.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 5, 2006 8:57 AM PST up reply actions

Did you read

the post above mine?

by akathelorax @ Halos Heaven on Dec 5, 2006 10:23 AM PST up reply actions

Yes, did you?

all he said was that he hoped it was true that we were shopping Colon if it would get us a big stick in return (and I agree, we could lose Colon and still win anyway, easily)...not that Chad Tracy would be that big stick (the report is Saunders for Tracy, not Colon).

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 5, 2006 10:35 AM PST up reply actions

Quote

"Please say it's True
While I love Bartolo, I think that if we can get rid of him and get a big stick in return, I would do it in a heartbeat. "

Sine he's referring to Tracy...he obviously thinks that Tracy is a big stick.

Now can we move on? Why do you seem to get involved in so many inane back and forth arguments?

by akathelorax @ Halos Heaven on Dec 5, 2006 12:14 PM PST up reply actions

I dunno

but it only seems to be here, and I don't know why people always fall into it either, but I don't really care that much. It wasn't even an argument, so much as me trying to defend a guy on something that it doesn't seem he said. I'm done with it if you are.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 5, 2006 12:31 PM PST up reply actions

ALLOW ME TO CLARIFY

Amigos

My post was a response to trading Bartolo. For a Big Stick. Not that Tracy is the big stick, but for ANY big stick.

"Somewhere in suckass Arizona smokin' tumblweeds"

by Rex DaKine Budler on Dec 5, 2006 4:11 PM PST up reply actions

No

I have yet to join the ranks of the Stoneman bashers, but I'll be queuing up right quick if this trade happens. I don't know if management has totally soured on Kotchman, but a post-mono Kotchman is better than Adam LaRoche, and cheaper. Figgins is outstanding as a super-sub. If you're trading guys of that caliber, you'd better get something back that's not Adam Freaking LaRoche.

by squarefootnatlpark on Dec 4, 2006 8:59 PM PST reply actions

if Figgins has peaked

This is asteal for '07 and '08, but missing out on Casey in his prime will hurt...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 9:03 PM PST up reply actions

whats wrong with laroche?

32 HR, 90 RBI. Youre talking about this guy like hes the plague. 32 homers is more than like 6/9 of our starting line up last year(thats an exaggeration....but is it that far off?)

I think you might have a bit of that angel fan syndrome of overvaluing our own players. I hate to break it to you, but kotchman hasnt done anything to prove himself in the pros(not to say he wont) so he doesnt have stellar value that we can trade Figgins and kotchman for manny ramirez or something.

I think this is a steal if it goes down.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 4, 2006 9:13 PM PST up reply actions

Schuerholz

I recall his quote about trades:
(paraphrasing)
"You want to get something good, but you also want to GIVE something good, that way, everyone wants to trade with you..."

Balance that with Billy Beane swinging his dick in public at Kenny Williams (over the Foulke for Koch trade) and not being able to make a substantive trade since then....

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 9:21 PM PST up reply actions

Correct as usual King Friday

This says it all right here. You are never going to get anything by just giving up your spare junk.

I say do it. I think Casey will be good in 2008, but we can't wait that long, and Kendry should be mashing in 2008 too.

by elricsi on Dec 5, 2006 4:13 PM PST up reply actions

if "Friday" is a Mister Rogers reference

it might be a first on this blog ... notify Lady Fairchild...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 5, 2006 4:19 PM PST up reply actions

Why Casey's better

He's at least 2.5 years younger.
Has already shown in limited appearances ('05 in particular) that he'll mash given the chance.
(or 2a.) Showed that he can (likely) do so in the AL, as opposed to AAAA NL.
Having a season of mono does not mean he's done. Atlanta recognizes this, and while it's better for Kotch to go to an NL team than an AL one (and thus coming back to hurt us later rather than sooner), it would be a terrible, terrible mistake to let him get away this easily.

Now, Chone I have no problem trading for someone like LaRoche. But I'd much rather throw in Saunders or Kendry (and not really Kendry, only if it was a must) than Kotchman.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 4, 2006 9:21 PM PST up reply actions

Saunders > Kotchman

A year ago I never would have entertained such a thought, but I really like Saunders. He's a great competitor with good stuff, and I think he has the makings of a solid pitcher for us. Kotchman's trade value, as has been pointed out, had to take an enormous dive last year. While we can't assume he'll be walking death like last season, we also can't assume he'll just revert to Spring 05 form. A lot of young players have comparable talent, but some have a better mental makeup and, in certain cases, just get luckier than others. It's hard to know what kind of effect not only the illness, but the struggles caused by the illness, had on Kotchman. It's just not the same as if Albert Pujols returned from a mono-ruined season. He's an established star. Kotchman may put added pressure on himself, tense up, not wait for good pitches, feel he has to perform right away ... or he may have developed bad mechanics during the layoff and recovery. I'd trade him for more of a "sure thing" in a second.

by DChalofan on Dec 5, 2006 5:53 AM PST up reply actions

Not the plague, but I'm still pro-CK

I just think that LaRoche translated into A.L. looks like .270 with 25 homers. Not bad, but I believe Kotchman can do .290/20, with a mess of doubles & much more upside than ALR.

What we really need is protection for Vlad, and ALR isn't it. I also think Chone has real value, just not as a starter. His value is in his flexibility & ability to cover for guys at, what, 5 positions? I'd keep these two for now over ALR.

I do overvalue home-grown players, admittedly. My brand of fan-dom is about following the guys up from the minors & watching them (hopefully) turn into big leaguers. It's a big part of it to me. So for guys like Kotchman, I'd prefer their make-or-break happen w/ the Halos.

by squarefootnatlpark on Dec 4, 2006 9:42 PM PST up reply actions

i think you are overvaluing Figgins

Almost every team in baseball history locks a player into a defensive position - save the "BENCH" player - and Figgins' defense has suffered by not developing at one position ... and other teams are not looking for "flexibility" - so what you see as a strength is what other teams see as a weakness.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 9:53 PM PST up reply actions

We have to take LaRoche

He's a legacy. (Dad being Dave, for you youngins.)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/larocda01.shtml

It's fated.

by Roger @ Halos Heaven on Dec 4, 2006 9:13 PM PST reply actions

AND ... AND ... AND ...

Dave LaRoche is a TOP 100 ANGEL ! ! ! !

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 9:23 PM PST up reply actions

Oops. My bad

Sorry 'bout that, Rev.
Your link trumps mine.

by Roger @ Halos Heaven on Dec 4, 2006 10:54 PM PST up reply actions

it is all good dude

now we just need a link to Dave's moustache grooming tips page and we will have the trifecta

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 11:37 PM PST up reply actions

Oh yeah

I totally grew a moustache, by the way- had it for the last 2 months. It's a classic.

by Brendo on Dec 5, 2006 7:44 AM PST up reply actions

FUCK THIS CRAP

He is a AAAA version of Kotchman who actually has playing time under his belt.

Stoneman look to upgrade somewhere else. Given time Kotchman will be a very comparable player.

GMJ step number one in a plan for continued dominance, or step number one in a plan for severe weight loss through explosive vomiting?

by hauldog on Dec 4, 2006 9:33 PM PST reply actions

Amen to that

Though I still think the GMJ signing royally fucked up any chance at a meaningful offseason.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 4, 2006 9:42 PM PST up reply actions

I am not a fan of GMJ

GMJ step number one in a plan for continued dominance, or step number one in a plan for severe weight loss through explosive vomiting?

by hauldog on Dec 4, 2006 9:47 PM PST up reply actions

No opinion, just a question and an observation...

After the mono' and subsequent Kotchman accusatory comments of Angels physicians, it seems like there's been this undertone of "front office/management disenchantment" with ol' Casey. Anyone know if there's something to this?

Also, is this not the Floridian/Georgian trade for, in our case, an OC cat that many here have been touting as Atlanta's modus operandi?

by Bilko 420 on Dec 4, 2006 9:55 PM PST reply actions

plausible motivation

yes.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 10:04 PM PST up reply actions

Ill take LaRoche!!!!!!!!!

In 5 games Kotchman is hitting .176 in 17ABs with 3H and no extra-base hits nor RBIs!!!!!!

Unless he starts hitting (Its easyer in Venesuela than in the MLB so he better start doing something) hes going to go bye bye!!!!!

Plus Kendry is the future at 1B so ill take LaRoche for a year with his 30+ HR.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and McPherson at 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Dec 4, 2006 9:55 PM PST reply actions

Actually

if this goes down, watch for a healthy, on-pace Colon and Kendry to be the February bait for A-Rod.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 10:06 PM PST up reply actions

The best part of this trade is

A Rod would still get to brutalize Colon, and I would actually get to enjoy it on a go forward basis.

GMJ step number one in a plan for continued dominance, or step number one in a plan for severe weight loss through explosive vomiting?

by hauldog on Dec 4, 2006 10:21 PM PST up reply actions

I could

see that.

by wumbug on Dec 5, 2006 3:10 PM PST up reply actions

Winter ball stats?

Yeah, 3 for 17, but if he gets 3 hits in his next three ABs, he's batting .300 Kind of a small sample size expecially considering he hasn't played ball since May

by Angel Hawker on Dec 4, 2006 10:07 PM PST up reply actions

johnsamo?

by atomburn on Dec 4, 2006 10:07 PM PST up reply actions

wow people are honing in on this guy...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 10:10 PM PST up reply actions

I have nothing against exclamation points

It's the spelling that drives me crazy.

ok, the spelling and the exclamation points.

I kid, I kid johnsamo...

by atomburn on Dec 4, 2006 10:53 PM PST up reply actions

Possibilty

Using LaRoche to get mike gonzalez from PIT to flip in another deal. Both the Red Sox and Yanks are said to be interested in him.

GMJ step number one in a plan for continued dominance, or step number one in a plan for severe weight loss through explosive vomiting?

by hauldog on Dec 4, 2006 9:56 PM PST reply actions

not like stoneman to flip a player

cannot recall his ever doing that, he seems to hone in on what he wants and work with what he's got...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 10:05 PM PST up reply actions

How'd the three-way trade of a few years ago work?

Really, I'm curious. :-D

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 4, 2006 10:18 PM PST up reply actions

I am blanking if there ever was one...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 10:19 PM PST up reply actions

Thought the one involving sending Eck and Guillen

away was three-way.

Or I'm a complete idiot.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 4, 2006 10:37 PM PST up reply actions

Ah, n/m

That was just the "FA shortstop merry-go-round" apparently.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 4, 2006 10:38 PM PST up reply actions

unconnected

no claim here made on your idiocy - they were days apart - Guillen traded for Izturis and Rivera a few days before Eckstein released to make way for Cabrera (in between these deals, the Angels had tried and failed to sign free agent Matt Clement).

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 10:40 PM PST up reply actions

How many trades has he made?

It is a small sample size. Just kidding.

GMJ step number one in a plan for continued dominance, or step number one in a plan for severe weight loss through explosive vomiting?

by hauldog on Dec 4, 2006 10:19 PM PST up reply actions

I think he is up to 21 trades

that averages 3 per year - most of the absurdly small variety...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 4, 2006 10:20 PM PST up reply actions

Shields, OC and Rivera?

For Ramirez? Hmmmm....

I would have to think a lot more on that...that would be tough. But, I would rather not have to give up any starting pitching. And, no mention of Wood, Weaver, Santana, Kendrick or Adenhart. Makes me think a trade of some sort is certain...especially if Theo wants to do it by Wednesday.

But, man, Vlad and Manny back to back in the lineup...

No way giving up KRod...I can't believe Theo even asked that. Well, I can, but...you know what I mean.

by KPBruin on Dec 5, 2006 7:20 AM PST reply actions

I'd love to have Manny

I've been praying for a trade for over two years now. But I'm not sure this makes as much sense as the LaRoche deal. The question is whether last season was progression by Rivera toward stardom, or whether we should trade him while his value is at its highest level. I suppose we could do both deals, since they do not involve any of the same players. That would mean sending OC, Rivera, Shields, Figgins, and Kotchman for Manny and LaRoche. Izzy would have to love that.

by DChalofan on Dec 5, 2006 7:38 AM PST up reply actions

I would think

that if we traded for Manny we would want to keep OC. Just a thought based off of his past relationship/locker room influence with Manny.

But its not going to happen anyway - so no point talking about a Manny trade

Please do something good this offseason...

by gorams77 on Dec 5, 2006 9:01 AM PST up reply actions

Tough Question

The Angels need to fill 1B with a consistant hitting player. LaRoche for the last couple of years has proven he would be a good fit. Look at it like this guys: If LaRoche came up through the Angels organization and put these same numbers up in an Angels uniform we would be extremely pleased! Now let's pretend that Kotchman has been healthy the last two years and put up slightly less impressive numbers than LaRoche (which assuming he stayed healthy he would have done), would you trade Kotchman straight up for LaRoche and be freaked out about it???? I doubt it!

So the issue isn't LaRoche being a risk. Or that we are giving up on Kotchman who could turn out to be the next Pujols. The question is: is giving up Figgins because of the health questions of Kotchman is too much for LaRoche!!!

How does LaRoche project out vs. a healthy Kotchman ? ? ? Though I would hate to see Kotchman in another uniform kicking ass, so long as LaRoch is hitting a consistant 30+ HR's and getting on base, then I wouldn't be missing Kotchman unless he turns into Pujols.

"Somewhere in suckass Arizona smokin' tumblweeds"

by Rex DaKine Budler on Dec 5, 2006 8:47 AM PST reply actions

Doesn't Look Like This Trade is Going to Happen

The Braves want pitching...of the Scot Shileds and Ervin Santana variety. For those two, I'd rather have Man-Ram, but I'd rather have Ervin and Shields instead of either plater. Check out this article:

"The Los Angeles Angels have strong interest in LaRoche, and the Braves might listen if the Angels are willing to part with a package that includes utility man Chone Figgins and a pitcher. However, the Angels consider 23-year-old starter Ervin Santana and top setup man Scot Shields nearly untouchable."

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/printedition/2006/12/05/sptbraveswinter1205a.html

by Angel Hawker on Dec 5, 2006 8:58 AM PST reply actions

So the Atlanta papers

say Figgins and Santana (or Shields), and the L.A. papers say Figgins and Kotchman. Which is it gonna be?

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 5, 2006 9:08 AM PST up reply actions

Hopefully our papers are right

This trade is a good one if it's Kotchman and Figgins for LaRoche. Not good, in my opinion, if it's Figgins and one of our pitchers.

by DChalofan on Dec 5, 2006 9:39 AM PST up reply actions

Sides are CLOSE!

I just heard on XM 175 that the Braves and Angels are close to a deal tha tmay be announced shortly for Adam LaRoche for bullpen help--I hope this doesn't signal the end of Scot Shields as an Angel, but we might here something real soon.

by Angel Hawker on Dec 5, 2006 12:05 PM PST reply actions

Um wow

That would be a waste of Shields.

GMJ step number one in a plan for continued dominance, or step number one in a plan for severe weight loss through explosive vomiting?

by hauldog on Dec 5, 2006 12:09 PM PST up reply actions

Doubt it is Shields

Bye Bye Carrasco?

GMJ step number one in a plan for continued dominance, or step number one in a plan for severe weight loss through explosive vomiting?

by hauldog on Dec 5, 2006 12:10 PM PST up reply actions

Can't be....

Shields for LaRoche? That would be shocking. Please, if there is a God, let them mean Carrasco or Donnelly.

by DChalofan on Dec 5, 2006 12:18 PM PST up reply actions

Maybe Donnelly?

I hope so...I love shields and his intro music

by Angel Hawker on Dec 5, 2006 12:11 PM PST reply actions

Intro Music

I am usually loaded by the time that happens, what is his intro music?

GMJ step number one in a plan for continued dominance, or step number one in a plan for severe weight loss through explosive vomiting?

by hauldog on Dec 5, 2006 12:20 PM PST up reply actions

Shields Intro Music

Is Linkin Park/Jay-Z crawling remix

by Angel Hawker on Dec 5, 2006 12:24 PM PST reply actions

ugh

if its shields for laroche, worst trade ever.

by ANewFoundThrice on Dec 5, 2006 3:08 PM PST reply actions

pleaseeeeeee

please let it be figgins and carrasco for laroche...

by ANewFoundThrice on Dec 5, 2006 3:09 PM PST up reply actions

it got turned down

they wanted shields. we said no. Im not sure if its the best idea unless we extend scot's contract for a few more years because 3+ years of laroche helps this team more than 1 of shields.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 5, 2006 6:15 PM PST up reply actions

ever hear of the apostrophe?

...welcome to Halos Heaven, apostrophe optional...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 5, 2006 10:11 PM PST reply actions

IF THIS THREAD IS NONSENSE

it is because i banned one of our local college's TINGLING geniuses and erased all of his comments.

How do you like my Latin now, frat boy?

by Rev Halofan on Dec 6, 2006 2:38 PM PST up reply actions

Assclown

Care to back your statement up with any numbers or facts?

Better yet name a set up guy in the league who is better. One year wonders not accepted. Please do not Justin Douche-erer or whatever his name is.

GMJ step number one in a plan for continued dominance, or step number one in a plan for severe weight loss through explosive vomiting?

by hauldog on Dec 5, 2006 10:42 PM PST reply actions

I'm a Shields fan: Bigtime!

And I know you said forget the one year wonders but I do think Broxton and Zumaya have insanely bright futures! I'd give away our entire bullpen away for Zumaya w/ the exception of Scotty or K-Rod. Doesn't Zumaya remind anyone of a baby Percy???

by matt92130 on Dec 6, 2006 2:20 AM PST up reply actions

till his arm falls off

by Rev Halofan on Dec 6, 2006 2:22 AM PST up reply actions

Speaking of arms falling off

Sounds a little like Liriano.

by matt92130 on Dec 6, 2006 2:30 AM PST up reply actions

Name 5 Setup Men

with better arms thans Shields' arm.

Phil Lesh doesn't count...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 5, 2006 11:20 PM PST reply actions

Johnsamo reborn???

Who's gonna be the tool after you get banned by the Rev?

Buy a clue asshole. I think there should be a moratorium on newbies acting like assholes before they've made 5 posts.

I think that "tingle" is your head rammed half way up your own ass.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Dec 6, 2006 12:28 AM PST reply actions

army of 01

...i never liked that band tool anyway...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 6, 2006 12:45 AM PST up reply actions

Bandwagon?

Buy a clue shit for brains. Downing and Davis? Chili? I've been an Angel fan long before Chili made his mark in SF, let alone Anaheim. You are half right though (probably a first for you) I did jump on the bandwagon. The 1982 bandwagon.

You obviously have a really small dick. Otherwise you'd see Rev's lighthearted needle poking for what it was.

Unfortunately, I can't ban you. If I could you'd already be "tingling" back on the NAMBLA boards from whence you came.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Dec 6, 2006 11:53 AM PST reply actions

DUDE HAD ALL THE WARNING ONE COULD WANT

by Rev Halofan on Dec 6, 2006 2:37 PM PST up reply actions

Oh and the name

predates the TV show by about 10 years whereas yours probably predates your last trip to Frisco.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Dec 6, 2006 11:55 AM PST reply actions

Complete nonsense

they ignore the fact that he comes in and either gives up the lead or loses.

Talk about a false dichotomy.

His starts are always laden with loses [sic]

Since when is Shields a starter?

I think that he is a great pitcher

Yes, obviously.

by Higz on Dec 6, 2006 12:21 PM PST reply actions

Good for you

now put your dick back in your pants and stop with the pissing contest. If you can't take light jabs, the internet is not your friend...just like everyone else.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 6, 2006 12:45 PM PST reply actions