Pettitte going to the Yankees

by LosAngel on Dec 8, 2006 3:32 PM PST

Because of this move and the fact that the Yanks will most likely have 6 starters going for 5 spots, the odds of us signing Zito and then spinning off one of our pitchers in a deal for A-Rod, just took a major hit. Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina, Randy Johnson, and Pettitte are locks with Pavano and potentially Japanese left-hander Kei Igawa battling it out for the final spot.

This shouldn't be too much of a major surprise, because even though I would love to have A-Rod, it would be a major upset if the Yanks were actually the ones to say uncle to having a high payroll and opt for a cheaper starter at a cost to the major league club.

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the possibility of Clemens joining them as well.
So much for the A-Rod pipe dream.

I hate the Yankees

Please do something good this offseason...

by gorams77 on Dec 8, 2006 4:09 PM PST reply actions

Makes an A-Rod deal

more likely as they will have better pitching and can balance it by sacrificing some offense...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 8, 2006 4:14 PM PST reply actions

Also could be good for us

If they now decide that they don't need pitching, so we wouldn't have to give up Santana.
But who would they want, now? I could see them still asking for Morales-Kotchman/Wood/Aybar/Kendrick/Mathis/Bulger/K-Rod in an asinine all-or-nothing request. Hmmm....

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 8, 2006 4:18 PM PST up reply actions

Cabrera, Mathis, McPherson and Adenhardt

They flip Cabrera immediately for more prospects.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 8, 2006 4:28 PM PST up reply actions

Three-way?

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 8, 2006 4:39 PM PST up reply actions

Don't hold your breath.

The Yanks took care of their business this off season, that's for sure. Smart solid moves all the way around. Kudos to them.

Wonderful (sarcasm).

by goodvibe61 on Dec 8, 2006 5:00 PM PST up reply actions

The Radio Heads in NY...

Are claiming that the Yankees have the best 1 through 5 rotation in the American League. They are so fixated on '96 Pettitte that they forget he was basically a .500 pitcher last year with a 4.20 ERA. Wang (who is seriously overated), Pettitte (elbow problem waiting to happen), Johnson (glad we didn't get him?), Mussina (one game good, one game bad), Pavano (at least his arm has had two years rest...can't believe we were interested in him).

I think they could use a young starter to match with Hughes for the future instead of this ER situation waiting to happen.

Feels like the 1970's all over again. <sigh>

by Moondoggy on Dec 9, 2006 8:37 AM PST reply actions

At what point, kids......

...do Angel fans get pissed? Granted, I wouldn't sign Pettite, but the Yankees did improve themselves this off season. Sarge Junior can't be it. Stoneman just left the winter meetings with an empty suitcase. Do any of you really think Manny Ramirez is coming, and/or who really wants that guy anyway? Where's the promised big bat? Spring Training starts in late February, so there's still SOME time, but what so far gives an Angel fan hope something is going to happen????? Are you all really happy with the team as is???

by beercub @ Halos Heaven on Dec 9, 2006 9:40 AM PST reply actions

Hard to get too pissed

about a team that is probably going to win the division. A big bat at 3rd would have been nice, and in my mind made us the favorites to win the W.S., but we still have a damn fine team.

by LosAngel on Dec 9, 2006 11:01 AM PST up reply actions

The only thing a big bat gives us

is, like LosAngel said, a "favorite" status for winning the world series. Check back a few days ago in the diaries section, and I explain exactly why I think the Angels will be very, very good next year. Here's an interesting idea for people who are being critical right now: name every single team in major league baseball that is COMPLETELY better-rounded, and is a better overall team than the Angels. there really just aren't that many. a big bat puts us over the top...the lack of a big bat does not relegate us to "also-ran" status.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 9, 2006 11:21 AM PST up reply actions

BUT

While that may be true, this whole thing relies on a shitload of "ifs" falling into place.
IF everyone performs like they're supposed to, IF no one gets injured, then you're right, we're great. But IF that doesn't happen, we're not so much.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 9, 2006 11:39 AM PST up reply actions

We don't need all of the "ifs"

to come true...and some of them already have. Jeff Weaver already IS done with the Angels, and so is his 3-10 record. Frank Thomas and Barry Zito already HAVE left the athletics, thus removing two key pieces to their division title. As for the rest of my "ifs", most of them are either givens (Kendrick performing better than '06 kennedy, our defense not being AS costly, even if it isn't stellar, as it was in '06, etc.). i'm not asking for kotchman to become .300/25/90 overnight, but i'm not begging for much if i ask him to be .270/15/70 either. every team has question marks...and i just don't see our's as being any more prevalent as anyone else's...nor do i see anyone else, question marks aside, as being remarkably more talented, either.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 9, 2006 12:20 PM PST up reply actions

Every season is IFs

IF mike piazza misses 120 games Oakland is screwed
Vlad for us
ichiro for seattle
michael young for texas

if eevryone performs average to their career stats we walk away with the division laughing...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2006 1:14 PM PST up reply actions

And then after the Division?

by beercub @ Halos Heaven on Dec 9, 2006 2:11 PM PST up reply actions

in the word of billy beane

it is a crapshoot ... and rumor has it that mister bb is a genius.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2006 2:50 PM PST up reply actions

In the playoffs

they beat the Yankees, who have a pathetic rotation and can't do squat against the Angels.

Or they beat Cleveland, which still doesn't have much of a bullpen.

Or the White Sox, whose pitching ain't what it was in 2005, and who can hardly expect another MVP-type season from Jermaine Dye.

Or Minnesota, which hasn't been able to do anything in the postseason because its rotation consists of Johan Santana and that's it.

Or Detroit, whom the Angels had little trouble with in 2006, notwithstanding the Tigers' march to the World Series, where they were dismantled by a truly pathetic Cardinals squad.

As this year's W.S. showed, in fact, it really is a crapshoot. But when you've got a pitching staff like the Halos', it's a good gamble.

by jjackflash on Dec 10, 2006 10:55 PM PST up reply actions