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MLB Franchise Icons

Here is a fun exercise - who do you think the Historic "Face of the Franchise" is?
And who would you say the current "Face of the Franchise" is?

This is not a question of "Who is Your Favorite..." nor is it asking "Who was the best..." --no, it is more a question of which player would serve as an icon of the team - if you were driving to the stadium for the first time and pulled off the freeway, there should be a statue of this one historic player and this one current player outside, letting you know that you are part of an historical narrative that continues to be woven as tradition seeps into the present.

MLB Team List:

Team- -Historic Face - - Current Face

Angels - Nolan Ryan - Vlad Guerrero
Copy and paste the list into the comments and fill it in with your picks...
Astros -
Athletics -
Blue Jays -
Braves -
Brewers -
Cardinals -
Cubs -
Devil Rays -
Diamondbacks -
Dodgers -
Giants -
Indians -
Mariners -
Marlins -
Mets -
(Expos)/Nationals -
Orioles -
Padres -
Phillies -
Pirates -
Rangers -
Reds -
Red Sox -
Rockies -
Royals -
Tigers -
Twins -
White Sox -
Yankees -

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Angels - Nolan Ryan - Vlad Guerrero
Astros - Nolan Ryan - Craig Biggio
Athletics - Rickey Henderson - Eric Chavez
Blue Jays - Joe Carter - Vernon Wells
Braves - Hank Aaron - John Smoltz
Brewers - Gorman Thomas - Prince Fielder
Cardinals - Bob Gibson - Albert Pujols
Cubs - Ernie Banks - Kerry Wood
Devil Rays - Wade Boggs - Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - Luis Gonzalez - Jeff DaVanon
Dodgers - Fernando Valenzuela - Russel Martin
Giants - Willie Mays - Barry Bonds
Indians - Andre Thornton - Travis Hafner
Mariners - Ichiro - Ichiro
Marlins - Dontrelle - Dontrelle
Mets - Gary Carter - Carlos Delgado
(Expos)/Nationals - Gary Carter - Nick Johnson
Orioles - Cal Ripken Jr. - Melvin Mora
Padres - Tony Gwynn - Jake Peavy
Phillies - Mike Schmidt - Ryan Howard
Pirates - Roberto Clemente - Jason Bay
Rangers - Ivan Rodriguez - Michael Young
Reds - Johnny Bench - Bronson Arroyo
Red Sox - Carlton Fisk - David Ortiz
Rockies - Helton - Helton
Royals - George Brett - nobody
Tigers - Hank Greenberg - Ivan Rodriguez
Twins - Kirby Puckett - Johann Santana
White Sox - Joe Jackson - AJ Pierszynski
Yankees - Babe Ruth - Derek Jeter

by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2006 1:54 AM PST reply actions  

Royals
Soon to be Alex Gordon.
A pipeline of talent, welcome to Anaheim.

by ClutchHomer on Dec 9, 2006 2:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Come on Rev
AJ for the White Sox?  Please
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!

by Angel Hawker on Dec 9, 2006 5:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Historic Brewer
I think of Paul Molitor
Please do something good this offseason...

by gorams77 on Dec 9, 2006 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

good picks
 but how about Junior for the reds right now....

by AlohaHalofan on Dec 9, 2006 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I think...
... you got it pretty close.

Here are my major disagreements:

Indians: Historic "face": Bob Feller.

Brewers: Historic "face": Robin Yount.

Cardinals: Historic "face": Stan Musial. In fact, there already IS a statue of Musial in St. Louis.

Red Sox: any one of a number of people, including Carl Yastrzemski and Ted Williams

White Sox: Historic "face": Minnie Minoso, current "face": Paul Konerko. People would laugh at a statue of Joe Jackson.

Dodgers: Historic "face": Duke Snider or Sandy Koufax, although Valenzuela is reasonable

Devil Rays: I don't really think of Boggs as a Devil Ray, but there really isn't anyone else

And the Royals DO have a current "face": Mike Sweeney. And you are joking about Jeff DaVanon, aren't you?

(Something's weird with your timestamps. Your comment was posted, according to the timestamp, BEFORE the main post, and this comment is being posted BEFORE either of them. It is now 5:34 am Eastern time.)

Al, visiting from Bleed Cubbie Blue

by bleedcubbieblue on Dec 9, 2006 2:35 AM PST reply actions  

Where's that
Old Geekedzer Stirrups when you needs him

by eyespy on Dec 9, 2006 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Disagreement: Padres
Wouldn't the current face be Trevor Hoffman? He's on everything down there.
Light Up That Halo! ...and tell Clutch to chill!

by cardinalwraith on Dec 9, 2006 2:51 AM PST reply actions  

You had it up until the Yanks.
Barry Foote

Was it the final series of '81 when Foote came up for one pinch hit against -- I'm thinking it was matt's bro' Bob Welch -- and brandished three jinormously huge whiffs?

by Bilko 420 on Dec 9, 2006 3:19 AM PST reply actions  

just a handful of tweaks...
Angels - Nolan Ryan - Vlad Guerrero
Astros - Nolan Ryan - Craig Biggio
Athletics - Rickey Henderson - Eric Chavez
Blue Jays - Joe Carter - Vernon Wells
Braves - Hank Aaron - Chipper Jones
Brewers - Gorman Thomas - Prince Fielder
Cardinals - Stan Musial - Albert Pujols
Cubs - Ernie Banks - Kerry Wood/Mark Prior
Devil Rays - Wade Boggs - Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - Luis Gonzalez - Brandon Webb
Dodgers - Gibson - Nomar Garciaparra
Giants - Willie Mays - Barry Bonds
Indians - Albert Belle - Grady Sizemore
Mariners - Ken Griffey Jr. - Ichiro
Marlins - Livan Hernandez - Dontrelle
Mets - Gary Carter - David Wright
(Expos)/Nationals - Gary Carter - Ryan Zimmerman
Orioles - Cal Ripken Jr. - Miguel Tejada
Padres - Tony Gwynn - Trevor Hoffman
Phillies - Mike Schmidt - Ryan Howard
Pirates - Roberto Clemente - Jason Bay
Rangers - Ivan Rodriguez - Mark Texiera
Reds - Johnny Bench - Ken Griffey Jr.
Red Sox - Ted Williams - David Ortiz
Rockies - Andres Galarraga - Helton
Royals - George Brett - Mike Sweeney
Tigers - Hank Greenberg - Kenny Rogers
Twins - Kirby Puckett - Johan Santana
White Sox - Joe Jackson - AJ Pierszynski
Yankees - Babe Ruth - Derek Jeter
Congrats to the WS Champion St. Louis Angels of Anaheim on signing AK-47

by silent_sole on Dec 9, 2006 6:21 AM PST reply actions  

My Choices
Astros - Ryan, Berkman
Athletics - Reggie Jackson, Chavez
Blue Jays - Joe Carter, Roy Halliday
Braves - Hank, Smoltz
Brewers - Yount, Prince Fielder
Cardinals - Stan the Man, Pujols
Cubs - Ernie Banks, Derrik Lee
Devil Rays - Wade Boggs, Carl Crawfofd
Diamondbacks - Randy Johnson, Brandon Webb
Dodgers - Jackie Robinson, Nomar
Giants - Willie Mays, Bonds
Indians - Bob Feller, Victor Martinez
Mariners - Griffey Jr, Ichiro
Marlins - Josh Beckett, Dontrelle Willis
Mets - Tom Seaver, David Wright
(Expos)/Nationals - Gary Carter, Ryan Zimmerman
Orioles - Cal Ripken Jr, Tejada
Padres - Tony Gwynn, Hoffman
Phillies - Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard
Pirates - Clemente, Jason Bay
Rangers - Nolan Ryan, Michael Young
Reds - Pete Rose, Dunn
Red Sox - Ted Williams, David Ortiz
Rockies - Galaraga, Todd Helton
Royals - George Brett, Mike Sweeney
Tigers - Ty Cobb, Verlander
Twins - Puckett, Hunter
White Sox - Frank Thomas, Konerko
Yankees Babe Ruth, Jeter

by Monkeyspanked on Dec 9, 2006 8:28 AM PST reply actions  

Mine, off the top of me head
Angels - Nolan Ryan - Vlad Guerrero
Astros - Jose Cruz, Biggio
Athletics - Lefty Grove, Chavez
Blue Jays - Dave Steib, Vernon Wells
Braves - Aaron, Chipper Jones
Brewers - Yount, Geoff Jenkins
Cardinals - Musial, Pujols
Cubs - Banks, Kerry Wood
Devil Rays - Baldelli, Crawford
Diamondbacks - Gonzo, Drew
Dodgers - Jackie Robinson, Martin
Giants - Mays, Bonds
Indians - Tris Speaker, Hafner
Mariners - Edgar Martinez, Ichiro!
Marlins - Jeff Conine, Cabrera
Mets - Seaver, Reyes
(Expos)/Nationals - Raines, Vidro
Orioles - Brooks Robinson, Brian Roberts
Padres - Gwynn, Khalil
Phillies - Ashburn, Utley
Pirates - Clemente, Bay
Rangers - I-Rod, Young
Reds - Pete Rose, Dunn
Red Sox - Williams, Big Papi
Rockies - Castilla, Helton
Royals - Brett, Sweeney
Tigers - Cobb, Inge
Twins - Killebrew, Hunter
White Sox - Cicotte, Konerko
Yankees - Ruth, Jeter

by mattwelch on Dec 9, 2006 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

Good job
with Jackie. As much as I dislike the Dodgers, I can begrudgingly agree that they had many great players. Having said that, the most important guy in Dodgerland has to be the one who has his number retired in every park.
Confucious say: "Baseball wrong - man with four balls cannot walk."

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 10, 2006 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

And not only that, the dude could play
His five-year run from '48-52 -- including dynamite defense -- is as good as any in club history. Only Koufax & Piazza come close, IMO.

by mattwelch on Dec 10, 2006 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Fun game!
Angels - Nolan Ryan - Francisco Rodriguez
Astros - Nolan Ryan - Craig Biggio
Athletics - Rickey - Chavez
Blue Jays - Joe Carter - Roy Halladay
Braves - Hank Aaron - Andruw Jones
Brewers - Robin Yount - Ben Sheets
Cardinals - Stan Musial - Albert Pujols
Cubs - Ernie Banks - Aramis Ramirez
Devil Rays - (not much of a past) Fred McGriff - Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - (again) Randy Johnson - Brandon Webb
Dodgers - Sandy Koufax - Brad Penny (hard to choose)
Giants - Willie Mays - Bonds, he's everywhere
Indians - Rick Vaughn ;-) - Grady Sizemore
Mariners - Edgar Martinez - Ichiro
Marlins - Josh Beckett - Dontrelle
Mets - Tom Seaver - David Wright
(Expos)/Nationals - Carter - Ryan Zimmerman
Orioles - Cal Ripken Jr. - Miggy
Padres - Tony Gwynn - Jake Peavy
Phillies - Mike Schmidt - Chase Utley
Pirates - Roberto Clemente - Jason Bay
Rangers - Nolan Ryan - Mark Teixiera
Reds - Pete Rose - Ryan Freel
Red Sox - Carl Yazstremski - David Ortiz
Rockies - Larry Walker - Matt Holliday
Royals - George Brett - Mark Teahen
Tigers - Ty Cobb - Justin Verlander
Twins - Kirby Puckett - Johan Santana
White Sox - Shoeless Joe - Bobby Jenks
Yankees - Babe Ruth - Derek Jeter
Stephen Colbert: "Kids who look up to athletes become athletes themselves."
The Word: Or bitter sports journalists.

by jlaff @ Halos Heaven on Dec 9, 2006 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

I bent the rules a bit
Angels - Nolan Ryan - Vlad Guerrero
Astros - Jeff Bagwell - Roy Oswalt
Athletics - Rickey Henderson - Billy Beane
Blue Jays - Gary Carter - Vernon Wells
Braves - Hammerin Hank - John Smoltz / Bobby Cox
Brewers - Robin Yount - Prince Fielder
Cardinals - Ozzie Smith - Albert Pujols
Cubs - Ernie Banks / Sammy Sosa - Carlos Zambrano
Devil Rays - Carl Crawford - Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - Randy Johnson - Brandon Webb
Dodgers - Jackie Robinson - Eric Gagne?
Giants - Willie Mays / Willie McCovey - Barry Bonds
Indians - Manny Ramirez - Travis Hafner / C.C. Sabathia
Mariners - Ichiro - Ichiro
Marlins - Dontrelle - Dontrelle
Mets - Tom Seaver - Carlos Beltran
(Expos)/Nationals - Vladimir Guerrero - Nick Johnson
Orioles - Cal Ripken - Miguel Tejada
Padres - Tony Gwynn - Jake Peavy
Phillies - Mike Schmidt / Steve Carlton - Ryan Howard
Pirates - Honus Wagner- Jason Bay
Rangers - Nolan Ryan - Mark Texeira
Reds - Frank Robinson - Adam Dunn
Red Sox - Ted Williams - David Ortiz
Rockies - Todd Helton - Todd Helton
Royals - George Brett - Mike Sweeney?
Tigers - Ty Cobb - Joel Zumaya
Twins - Kirby Puckett - Johan Santana
White Sox - Frank Thomas / Shoeless Joe - Ozzie Guillen
Yankees - Babe Ruth - Mariano Rivera

I modified your rules a bit, selecting the most recognizable person from a team, not necessarily a player.

by Stealfirstbase on Dec 9, 2006 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

I initially did that
but changed Billy BEane onmy list to a player.
Bobby Cox for sure under those rules and for the Rnagers it might be Tom Hicks...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2006 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Not promising a great list, but this sounds like f
Tried to pick the very first that came to mind so it'll be screwy.

Angels - Nolan Ryan
Astros - Mike Scott
Athletics - Foxx
Blue Jays - carter
Braves - cox
Brewers - yount
Cardinals - gibson
Cubs - banks
Devil Rays - baldelli
Diamondbacks - johnson
Dodgers - drysdale
Giants - bonds, clark
Indians - feller
Mariners - griffey
Marlins - sheffield
Mets - Seaver
(Expos)/Nationals - carter
Orioles - ripken
Padres - garvey
Phillies - Carlton
Pirates -bonds
Rangers - ryan
Reds - bench
Red Sox - yaz
Rockies - helton
Royals - futlity
Tigers - morris
Twins - pucket
White Sox - thomas
Yankees - gehrig

Eat My Angel Dust.

by Angels95 on Dec 9, 2006 1:21 PM PST reply actions  

My list
This list is based on a little bit of research, primarily win shares, but also franchise retired numbers.  Rather than take one, I'll give a list of players for the statue, and pick a current player for the marketed "face".  These are all subjective, of course.

Angels - statue: Everyone else is saying Nolan Ryan, but in fact Tim Salmon is more deserving of the honor; face: Vlad Guerrero.
Astros - statue: Nolan Ryan, Craig Biggio (though I might be tempted to go with Clemens if he re-ups).
Athletics - statue: Mark McGwire (tainted as he is), Rickey Henderson,  Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, or Dennis Eckersley; face: Eric Chavez.
Blue Jays - statue: Joe Carter, Dave Steib; face: Carlos Delgado (for now), Roy Halladay.
Braves - statue: Hank Aaron, Dale Murphy (both retired numbers); face: Chipper Jones or John Smoltz.
Brewers - statue: This one's a little tougher, because the Braves played here for so many years, and you could make a really good case for a Hank Aaron statue.  (His number is retired in Milwaukee, because he did play the last two years of his career there.) But in the Brewers-only cast, there's Paul Molitor or Robin Yount, or in a stretch, Rollie Fingers.  Face: Prince Fielder.
Cardinals - statue: Stan Musial, Rogers Hornsby, Red Schoendienst, Bob Gibson; face: Albert Pujols.
Cubs - statue: Cap Anson, Ron Santo, Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Hack Wilson, "Three Fingers" Brown, Frank Chance; face: Derrek Lee or Carlos Zambrano.
Devil Rays - statue: Wade Boggs, though it seems an awful thing to do; face: Carl Crawford or Aubrey Huff.
Diamondbacks - statue: after he retires, Luis Gonzalez, who holds almost all of that franchise's offensive records, though you could also make a case for (gulp) Steve Finley. face: Brandon Webb.
Dodgers - statue: the great Jackie Robinson before anyone else, and really the only Brooklyn Dodger who would be recognizeable to modern audiences, but Hall of Famer Zack Wheat, arguably the greatest offensive Dodger of all time, certainly deserves a shot; also, Jim Gilliam, Gil Hodges, Duke Snider, Don Drysdale, Sandy Koufax, and Fernando Valenzuela. face: Russell Martin, maybe Nomar Garciaparra in a pinch.
Giants - statue: Since they already have such statues, the obvious answers are Willy Mays and Willie McCovey, but Juan Marichal would also be an interesting choice. Face: Given the decimated roster, it still has to be Bonds, Barry Bonds.
Indians - statue: Nap Lajoie, Bob Feller, Lou Boudreau, Larry Doby, Early Wynn, Stan Covaleski; face: Travis Hafner.
Mariners - statue: Edgar Martinez; face: Ichiro Suzuki.
Marlins - statue: pass, on the grounds that the player ought to be retired; Dontrelle Willis, Miguel Cabrera.
Mets - statue: Tom Seaver; face: David Wright, though others' suggestion of Carlos Delgado isn't a bad way to go.
Expos/Nationals - statue: Gary Carter, Rusty Staub, Andre Dawson, Tim Raines; face: Nick Johnson.
Orioles - statue: Cal Ripken, Jr., Brooks Robinson, Eddie Murray, Jim Palmer, Frank Robinson, among others; face: Miguel Tejada.
Padres - statue: Tony Gwynn, maybe Dave Winfield; face: Trevor Hoffman, Jake Peavy.
Phillies - statue: Mike Schmidt, Steve Carlton, Robin Roberts; face: Ryan Howard.
Pirates - statue: Roberto Clemente, Honus Wagner, Paul Waner, Willie Stargell, Arky Vaughn, Pie Traynor; face: Jason Bay.
Rangers - statue: Rafael Palmiero would be a good choice but he's got that steroid taint, so Pudge works, also maybe Charlie Hough and Nolan Ryan; face: Michael Young.
Reds - statue: Johnny Bench, Frank Robinson (heh, he got traded to the Orioles because their GM thought he was washed up, so maybe not), Joe Morgan, Dave Concepcion; face: Griffey, Jr., Bronson Arroyo.
Red Sox - statue: Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski, Tris Speaker, Carlton Fisk; face: David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Curt Schilling.
Rockies - statue: pass; face: Todd Helton.
Royals - statue: George Brett, Dan Quisenberry, Bret Saberhagen, Hal McRae; face: Mark Teahen.
Tigers - statue: Ty Cobb, Al Kaline, Hank Greenberg, Hal Newhouser; face: Pudge, Justin Verlander.
Twins - statue: Harmon Killebrew, Walter Johnson, Kirby Puckett, Bert Blyleven, Jim Kaat; face: Joe Mauer, Johan Santana, maybe Francisco Liriano if he can stay healthy.
White Sox - statue: Nellie Fox, Luke Appling, Eddie Collins, Ted Lyons; face: Jermaine Dye, Paul Konerko.
Yankees - statue: Babe Ruth and a cast of dozens; face: Derek Jeter.

Fire Mickey Hatcher. An entire generation of Angels offense depends upon it.

by scareduck on Dec 9, 2006 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

TS
I agree with Salmon.
A pipeline of talent, welcome to Anaheim.

by ClutchHomer on Dec 9, 2006 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

If you're
going to have Chance, it seems a shame to not make the statue a tryptic of sorts with Evers and Tinker. Can't think of one without the others. Perhaps an infield with the statues in their respective spots?

You had me until Joe Morgan. He was a fantastic player obviously, but I'm forced to watch the broadcasts they do (Jon Miller being only slightly less annoying) with the sound firmly pegged toward mute.

Confucious say: "Baseball wrong - man with four balls cannot walk."

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 10, 2006 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

My Two Cents
Angels - Tim Salmon --- Vladimir Guerrero
Astros -   JR Richards  ---  Carlos Lee
Athletics -  Bert Campanaris --- Eric Chavez
Blue Jays -  Jimmy Key --- Roy Halladay
Braves - Henry Aaron --- Chipper Jones
Brewers -  Robin Yount --- Prince Fielder
Cardinals -  Stan Musiel --- Albert Pujols
Cubs -  Ernie Banks --- Derek Lee
Devil Rays - Fred McGriff --- Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - Luis Gonzalez --- Brandon Webb
Dodgers - Jackie Robinson --- Russell Martin
Giants - Willie Mays --- Barry Bonds
Indians - Dizzy Dean --- Travis Hafner
Mariners - Randy Johnson --- Ichiro
Marlins -  Livan Hernandez --- Miguel Cabrera
Mets - Doc Gooden --- David Wright
(Expos)/Nationals - Andre Dawson --- Nick Johnson
Orioles - Brooks Robinson --- Miguel Tejada
Padres - Tony Gwynn --- Trevor Hoffman
Phillies - Mike Schmidt --- Ryan Howard
Pirates - Roberto Clemente --- Jason Bay
Rangers - Nolan Ryan --- Mark Teixeira
Reds - Johnny Bench --- Griffey Jr.
Red Sox - Yaz --- David Ortiz
Rockies - Andres Gallaraga --- Todd Helton
Royals - George Brett --- Mike Sweeney
Tigers - Ty Cobb --- Pudge Rodriguez
Twins - Rod Carew --- Johan Santana
White Sox - Shoeless Joe Jackson --- Paul Konerko
Yankees -  Babe Ruth --- Derek Jeter
Feels like the 1970's all over again. <sigh>

by Moondoggy on Dec 9, 2006 1:49 PM PST reply actions  

forgot
all about JR RIchards.....

by Rev Halofan on Dec 9, 2006 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

my list
Angels - Since it can't be Nolan Ryam & Tim Salmon then Tim Salmon - Vlad Guerrero (until Howie or Wood steal it)
Astros - Craig Biggio - Craig Biggio
Athletics - Rickey Henderson - Eric Chavez until Swish takes it
Blue Jays - Joe Carter - Vernon Wells
Braves - Hank Aaron - John Smoltz
Brewers - Paul Molitor - Ben Sheets
Cardinals - Stan Musial - Albert Pujols
Cubs - Ryne Sandberg - Derrick Lee
Devil Rays - Wade Boggs - Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - Luis Gonzalez - Brandon Webb
Dodgers - Jackie Robinson - Russell Martin
Giants - Willie Mays - (anyone but) Barry Bonds
Indians - Eddie Murray - Travis Hafner
Mariners - Ken Griffey Jr - Ichiro
Marlins - Craig Counsell - Dontrelle Willis
Mets - Tom Seaver - Carlos Beltran
(Expos)/Nationals - Andre Dawson - Jose Vidro
Orioles - Cal Ripken Jr - Melvin Mora
Padres - Tony Gwynn - Adrian Gonzalez
Phillies - Mike Schmidt - Ryan Howard
Pirates - Roberto Clemente - Jason Bay
Rangers - Pudge Rodriguez - Michael Young
Reds - Pete Rose - Ken Griffey Jr
Red Sox - Ted Williams - Kevin Youklis
Rockies - Vinny Castilla - Todd Helton
Royals - George Brett - David Dejesus
Tigers - Ty Cobb - Pudge Rodriguez
Twins - Kirby Puckett - Torii Hunter
White Sox - Carlton Fisk - Paul Konerko
Yankees - Babe Ruth - Derek Jeter
retire number fifteen.

by rowast on Dec 9, 2006 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

Youkalis....?
Are you serious?

by Sebastian on Dec 9, 2006 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

yes indeed.
I don't like Ortiz, I've seen him throw things at Angel Stadium live and in person more than once.

Manny is well Manny, and Youklis is a tremendous player.  And he's the greek god of walks.

retire number fifteen.

by rowast on Dec 9, 2006 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

YOUKILIS ? ? ?
Fuck that MONEYBALL propaganda...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 10, 2006 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Like him
or not, that city (and entire region for that matter) absolutely loves that guy. They have embraced him as though he was the three way love child of Bobby Orr, Larry Bird and Ted Williams. You can't hardly swing a dead cat without hitting some MassHole talking about "the shot (shat) that Papi (paapee) hit last (lost) night."

As such, he has to be the current 'face' of the franchise. Although it would be quite funny (and equally as dangerous) to argue for Buckner, Dent, and Aaron Boone at the Cask 'n Flagon on a rowdy Friday summer night!

Confucious say: "Baseball wrong - man with four balls cannot walk."

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 10, 2006 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

if he is more popular than BIG PAPI
it is only because he is the same color as the good citizens of Johannesburg, oops I mean Woostaaaahhh....

by Rev Halofan on Dec 10, 2006 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

My
contention is that Papi is the most popular. Perhaps you replied to the wrong post, or I'm a moron. Both options are equally as likely.

The color thing is a bit uncalled for. As a past resident of the Commonwealth (not state) of Massachusetts, I can vouch for very few things about the inhabitants of that place. The one thing I will comment on is that they are a very tolerant people. The Commonwealth as a whole sucks balls, but you've got to ask your self where is the only place where 2 dudes (or girls) can legally get married?

Confucious say: "Baseball wrong - man with four balls cannot walk."

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 11, 2006 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

i was never a resident
but the BOSTON bussing debate of the 1970s got a LOT of play out here ...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 11, 2006 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Most of
the people who were in  charge then have drank themselves to death!
Confucious say: "Baseball wrong - man with four balls cannot walk."

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 12, 2006 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

have to agree
When he threw those bats (at the wrong umps), i wanted to charge the field and beat his ballooned self with one. Fuck the Papi.  and Manny is a moron that actually sticks his foot in his mouth more than pedro. (if that is possible)

by Zookeeper on Dec 10, 2006 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

SWISHER ?
Swisher will never be paid as much as Eric Chavez ... unless he leaves the A's, and thus would not bloom as the face of the Fremont team.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 10, 2006 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Added Future Faces (Not a whole lot of reaches)
Angels - Tim Salmon (with a nod to Garret Anderson) - Vlad Guerrero - Howie Kendrick
Astros - Jeff Bagwell - Roy Oswalt (Assuming Clemens is gone.) - Hunter Pence
Athletics - Rickey Henderson - Eric Chavez - Travis Buck
Blue Jays - Joe Carter - Vernon Wells - Travis Snider
Braves - Dale Murphy - John Smoltz - Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Brewers - Robin Yount - Prince Fielder - Yovani Gallardo
Cardinals - Stan Musial - Albert Pujols - Colby Rasmus
Cubs - Ernie Banks - Derrek Lee - Felix Pie
Devil Rays - Fred McGriff - Carl Crawford - Evan Longoria
Diamondbacks - Luis Gonzalez - Brandon Webb - Justin Upton
Dodgers - Jackie Robinson/Sandy Koufax - Eric Gagne/Russ Martin - Matt Kemp
Giants - Willie Mays - Barry Bonds - Tim Lincecum
Indians - Bob Feller - Travis Hafner - Adam Miller
Mariners - Ken Griffey Jr. - Suzuki - Adam Jones
Marlins - Jeff Conine - Dontrelle Willis - Jeremy Hermida
Mets - Tom Seaver - Jose Reyes - Mike Pelfrey
(Expos)/Nationals - Andre Dawson - Chad Cordero - Ryan Zimmerman
Orioles - Billy Ripken - Miguel Tejada - Nick Markakis
Padres - Tony Gwynn - Trevor Hoffman - Kevin Kouzmanoff
Phillies - Mike Schmidt - Ryan Howard - Cole Hamels
Pirates - Roberto Clemente - Jason Bay - Andrew McCutchen
Rangers - Ruben Sierra - Mark Texeira - John Danks
Reds - Johnny Bench - Ken Griffey Jr./Adam Dunn - Homer Bailey
Red Sox - Ted Williams - David Ortiz - Jacoby Ellsbury
Rockies - Dante Bichette - Todd Helton - Troy Tulowitzki
Royals - George Brett - Mike Sweeney - Alex Gordon
Tigers - Ty Cobb - Justin Verlander - Cameron Maybin
Twins - Kirby Puckett - Johan Santana - Matt Garza
White Sox - Frank Thomas - Paul Konerko - Josh Fields
Yankees - Babe Ruth - Derek Jeter - Philip Hughes

by GAC on Dec 9, 2006 10:56 PM PST reply actions  

With
nearly everyone having Teddy Ballgame as the statue for the BloSox, it is interesting that no one mentioned him for the Rangers as well. I noticed you bent the rules a bit, so for a franchise so completely bereft of above par (historically speaking) talent, the statue should go to the best hitter in the history of the game, even if he was only a manager.
Confucious say: "Baseball wrong - man with four balls cannot walk."

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 10, 2006 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

Youkilis
Had to go back to my Greek-English dictionary, so usefull back when I was working there... picking oranges for $20 a day. That would be '86. So forgive the rough translation:
"Youkilis". Derivative of the ancient Euakalis, reknowned for his ability to walk great distances. A hero of the Argo-Lid war, Euakalis made his fame by walking through the Peloponnese with nothing other than a "Pica" on his shoulder. [Ed. note: Pica later came to note as a typesetter device. Gk. ref. unknown.] Although often scoffed, and repeatedly misunderestimated, he was coveted by the Athenain court. Little is known of his story today, But some still revel in the tale; yes, they bring it to light: "Euakalis, they say, has been reborn in the form of Kevin Youkilis--The Greek God Of Walks!
[Ed. note: There is little evidence to support this theory. But, as it has become prevelant, I recommend the ancient, but still widely available text, "Moneyball." After a good solid and thoughtfull review, I'm certain you will understand that the Myth of Euaklis is still with us.]

by catfish on Dec 10, 2006 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

rev's homework assignment
Angels-nolan ryan and vlad
Astros -nolan ryan and lance berkman
Athletics - reggie jackson and barry zito
Blue Jays - george bell and vernon wells
Braves -dale murphy and john smoltz
Brewers -robin yount and prince fielder
Cardinals -stan musial and albert pujols
Cubs - ernie banks and al soriano
Devil Rays - carl crawford and carl crawford
Diamondbacks - luis gonzalez and chad tracy
Dodgers - sandy koufax and nomar
Giants - willie mays and barry bonds
Indians - bob feller and travis hafner
Mariners - alex rodriguez and richie sexson
Marlins -miguel cabrera and miguel cabrera
Mets - tom seaver and david wright
(Expos)/Nationals - andre dawson and no idea
Orioles - cal ripken and miguel tejada
Padres - tony gwynn and trevor hoffman
Phillies - mike schmidt and ryan howard
Pirates - willie stargell and jason bay
Rangers - have they ever been good and texeira
Reds - johnny bench and ken griffey
Red Sox - ted williams and david ortiz
Rockies - larry walker and todd helton
Royals - george brett and nobody
Tigers - al kaline and pudge rodriguez
Twins - kirby puckett and francisco liriano
White Sox - harold baines and jim thome
Yankees -babe ruth and derek jeter

by thedon on Dec 10, 2006 6:42 PM PST reply actions  

Franchise Faces
Here's my shot at it:

Angels - Tim Salmon, Vlad Guerrero
Astros -Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio
Athletics -Reggie Jackson, Eric Chavez
Blue Jays -Joe Carter, Roy Halladay
Braves -Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones
Brewers -Robin Yount, Prince Fielder
Cardinals -Ozzie Smith, Albert Pujols
Cubs -Ernie Banks, Carlos Zambrano
Devil Rays -Carl Crawford, Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks -Luis Gonzalez, Brandon Webb
Dodgers -Jackie Robinson, Nomar Garciaparra
Giants -Willie Mays,Barry Bonds
Indians -Bob Feller, Travis Hafner
Mariners -Edgar Martinez, Ichiro Suzuki
Marlins -Jeff Conine, Dontrelle Willis
Mets -Tom Seaver, Carlos Beltran
(Expos)/Nationals -Andre Dawson, Nick Johnson
Orioles -Cal Ripken Jr., Miguel Tejada
Padres -Tony Gwynn, Trevor Hoffman
Phillies -Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard
Pirates -Roberto Clemente,Jason Bay
Rangers -Nolan Ryan, Mark Teixeira
Reds -Pete Rose, Ken Griffey Jr.
Red Sox -Ted Williams, David Ortiz
Rockies -Vinny Castilla,Todd Helton
Royals -George Brett, Mark Teahen
Tigers -Ty Cobb, Ivan Rodriguez
Twins -Kirby Puckett, Johan Santana
White Sox-Harold Baines, Paul Konerko
Yankees -Babe Ruth, Derek Jeter

by BigHalo014 on Dec 10, 2006 10:52 PM PST reply actions  

My Picks
Angels - Nolan Ryan - Vlad Guerrero
Astros - Nolan Ryan - Lance Berkman
Athletics - Rickey Henderson - Eric Chavez
Blue Jays - Joe Carter - Vernon Wells
Braves - Hank Aaron - Andruw Jones
Brewers - Robin Yount- Prince Fielder
Cardinals - Stan Musial - Albert Pujols
Cubs - Ernie Banks - Derrick Lee
Devil Rays - None - Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - Luis Gonzalez - Brandon Webb
Dodgers - Sandy Koufax - Nomar Garciaparra
Giants - Willie Mays - Barry Bonds
Indians - Albert Belle - Travis Hafner
Mariners - Ken Griffey Jr. - Ichiro
Marlins - Jeff Conine- Dontrelle Willis
Mets - Tom Seaver - Jose Reyes
(Expos)/Nationals - Pedro Martinez- Ryan Zimmerman
Orioles - Cal Ripken Jr. - Miguel Tejada
Padres - Tony Gwynn - Trevor Hoffman
Phillies - Mike Schmidt - Ryan Howard
Pirates - Roberto Clemente - Jason Bay
Rangers - Ivan Rodriguez - Michael Young
Reds - Pete Rose - Ken Griffey Jr.
Red Sox - Ted Williams - David Ortiz
Rockies - Andres Galarraga - Todd Helton
Royals - George Brett - Billy Butler(minors)
Tigers - Ty Cobb - Ivan Rodriguez
Twins - Kirby Puckett - Johan Santana
White Sox - Frank Thomas - Ozzie Guillen(manager)
Yankees - Babe Ruth - Derek Jeter
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!

by Angel Hawker on Dec 11, 2006 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

Franchise Faces
Angels - Tim Salmon, Vlad Guerrero
Astros - Nolan Ryan, Craig Biggio
Athletics - Jimmie Foxx, Eric Chavez
Blue Jays - Dave Stieb, Roy Halladay
Braves - Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones
Brewers - Robin Yount, Prince Fielder
Cardinals - Stan Musial, Albert Pujols
Cubs - Ernie Banks, Derrek Lee
Devil Rays - Aubrey Huff, Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - Luis Gonzalez, Brandon Webb
Dodgers - Jackie Robinson, Nomar Garciaparra
Giants - Willie Mays, Barry Bonds
Indians - Bob Feller, Grady Sizemore
Mariners - Ken Griffey, Jr., Ichiro Suzuki
Marlins - Miguel Cabrera, Miguel Cabrera
Mets - Tom Seaver, David Wright
(Expos)/Nationals - Gary Carter, Ryan Zimmerman
Orioles - Cal Ripken Jr., Miguel Tejada
Padres - Tony Gwynn, Trevor Hoffman
Phillies - Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard
Pirates - Roberto Clemente, Jason Bay
Rangers - Ivan Rodriguez, Michael Young
Reds - Johnny Bench, Ken Griffey Jr.
Red Sox - Ted Williams, David Ortiz
Rockies - Larry Walker, Todd Helton
Royals - George Brett, Alex Gordon (even though he's not in the majors)
Tigers - Ty Cobb, Ivan Rodriguez
Twins - Walter Johnson, Joe Mauer
White Sox - Joe Jackson, Paul Konerko
Yankees - Babe Ruth, Derek Jeter

by Dogman on Dec 11, 2006 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

My Turn
So much of this is generational.  E.g., to someone my age (36), the Dodgers' "historic" player is most certainly Fernando, with apologies to Steve Garvey.  But for someone like my dad (who grew up in Brooklyn and moved to L.A. a year or two before the Dodgers), it's probably Jackie Robinson.

Angels - Nolan Ryan, though arguably Tim Salmon now that he's retired; Vlad Guerrero

Astros - Ryan; Biggio

Athletics - again, this one is so generation-dependent.  Connie Mack or Jimmie Foxx, if you go back far enough; Catfish Hunter or Reggie Jackson if you came of age in the 1970s; Jose Canseco if you came along 10 years later.  Current: Nick Swisher.

Blue Jays - Joe Carter; Roy Halladay.

Braves - Hank Aaron; John Smoltz

Brewers - Robin Yount; Prince Fielder

Cardinals - another generational one.  Stan Musial; Albert Pujols.

Cubs - Ernie Banks; Kerry Wood

Devil Rays - Carl Crawford and Carl Crawford

Diamondbacks - Randy Johnson; Orlando Hudson or Stephen Drew

Dodgers - generational, as noted above.  I'll go with Jackie Robinson, and I'm going to have to cheat and not name a player but VIN SCULLY.  Definitely the face of the franchise, currently.

Giants - Willie Mays; Barry Bonds.

Indians - Tris Speaker; Travis Hafner

Mariners - Ken Griffey Jr.; Ichiro

Marlins - Livan Hernandez; Dontrelle Willis

Mets - Tom Seaver; David Wright

(Expos)/Nationals - Andre Dawson; Ryan Zimmerman

Orioles - generational.  People born before about 1963 might say Brooks Robinson, but I'll stick with Cal Ripken, Jr.; Miguel Tejada.

Padres - Tony Gwynn; Trevor Hoffman

Phillies - Mike Schmidt; Ryan Howard

Pirates - another generational one, but I'll go with Roberto Clemente; Jason Bay

Rangers - Nolan Ryan; Michael Young

Reds - Pete Rose.  I grew up rooting for the Reds.  Sorry to all those who said Johnny Bench, but Pete Rose was and, to this day really, still IS the face of the franchise, for better or worse.  People who didn't start following the team until the 1980s would pick Barry Larkin; Adam Dunn

Red Sox - another generational one.  Ted Williams; Manny Ramirez

Rockies - Larry Walker; Todd Helton

Royals - George Brett; Mark Teahen

Tigers - generational again.  Ty Cobb; Pudge Rodriguez

Twins - Kirby Puckett; Johan Santana

White Sox - Harold Baines; Paul Konerko

Yankees - Babe Ruth; Derek Jeter

by jjackflash on Dec 11, 2006 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

a whirl
Angels - Kingfish - Vlad Guerrero
Astros - Jeff Bagwell, Roy Oswalt
Athletics - Jimmy Foxx or Lefty Grove, Nick Swisher
Blue Jays - Carlos Delgado, Roy Halladay
Braves - Jeez, Aaron or Niekro, Andruw Jones
Brewers - Paul Molitor, Dunno, Rickie Weeks?
Cardinals - Stan Musial, Albert Pujols
Cubs - We'll go Sosa, Alfonso Soriano
Devil Rays - Fred Mcgriff, Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - Randy Johnson, Brandon Webb
Dodgers - Too Many, Probably Snider, Russ Martin
Giants - Willie Mays, Barry Bonds
Indians - Tris Speaker, Travis Hafner
Mariners - Griffey or Martinez, Ichiro
Marlins - Luis Castillo, Miguel Cabrera
Mets - Tom Seaver, David Wright
Nationals - Tim Raines, Nick Johnson
Orioles - Jim Palmer/Eddie Murray, Miguel Tejada
Padres - Tony Gwynn, Trevor Hoffman
Phillies - Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard
Pirates - Roberto Clemente (Stargell), Jason Bay
Rangers - Juan Gonzalez, Mark Teixiera
Reds - Barry Larkin (Fuck Rose), Adam Dunn
Red Sox - Ted Williams, Manny Ramirez
Rockies - Todd Helton, Todd Helton
Royals - George Brett, Mark Teahen
Tigers - Georgia Peach and Greenberg, Jeremy Bonderman
Twins - Harmon Killebrew, Johan Santana
White Sox - Frank Thomas, Paul Konerko
Yankees - Babe Ruth, Alex Rodriguez

by Trenchtown on Dec 11, 2006 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

holy hell
Cal Ripken over Murray and Palmer. How did I miss that one? I know Palmer and Murray played for a better era of Earl Weaver baseball, but Cal Ripken is almost more then a player when it comes to the game and the legend he left.

by Trenchtown on Dec 11, 2006 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Wild Ass Guess
Angels - Nolan Ryan - Vlad Guerrero
Astros -JR Richards, Biggio,
Athletics - Blue, Chavez: Too far removed from Philadelphia A's
Blue Jays -  Carter, Wells
Braves -Aaron, Andrew Jones
Brewers -Yount, Fielder
Cardinals -Hornsby, Pujols:
Cubs - Banks, Zambrano
Devil Rays - Baldelli, Crawford
Diamondbacks - Gonzales, Webb
Dodgers - Pee Wee Reese- the Captain(Bklyn) and Sandy Koufax(LA),  Martin
Giants - Mays, Bonds
Indians - Feller, Hafner
Mariners - Edgar Martinez, Ichiro
Marlins -Beckett, Cabrera
Mets - Seaver, Beltran
(Expos)/Nationals - Dawson, Johnson
Orioles - Ripken, Tejada
Padres - Gwynn, Hoffman
Phillies -Foxx, Howard
Pirates -Wagner, Bay
Rangers - Rodririguez, Young: 2nd
Reds - Rose, Dunn
Red Sox - Williams, Ortiz: 1 more OK
Rockies - Galarago, Helton
Royals - Saberhagen, Sweeney
Tigers - Cobb, Verlander
Twins - Killebrew(Minn) and Johnson(Senators), Santana
White Sox -Aparico, Konerko
Yankees -Gehrig, Jeter

by Beachbum Willy on Dec 11, 2006 1:50 PM PST reply actions  

this was fun for the first couple minutes...
until i got to the royals, pirates, rangers, devil rays...essentially teams with no history and/or no current memorable players. but here's my list...

Angels - Tim Salmon - Vlad Guerrero
Astros - Jeff Bagwell - Craig Biggio
Athletics - Reggie Jackson - Eric Chavez
Blue Jays - Joe Carter - Vernon Wells
Braves - Hank Aaron - John Smoltz
Brewers - Paul Molitor - the Sausage mascots
Cardinals - Lou Brock - Albert Pujols
Cubs - Ryne Sandberg - Kerry Wood
Devil Rays - Lou Pinella - Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - Luis Gonzalez - Brandon Webb
Dodgers - Tommy Lasorda - Nomar Garciaparra
Giants - Willie Mays - Barry Bonds
Indians - Jim Thome - CC Sabathia
Mariners - Edgar Martinez - Ichiro
Marlins - Jeff Conine - Dontrelle Willis
Mets - Tom Seaver - Pedro Martinez
(Expos)/Nationals - Gary Carter -
Orioles - Brooks Robinson - Miguel Tejada
Padres - Tony Gwynn - Trevor Hoffman
Phillies - Mike Schmidt - Ryan Howard
Pirates - Willie Stargell - Jack Wilson (???)
Rangers - Nolan Ryan - Mark Texeira
Reds - Pete Rose - Ken Griffey Jr.
Red Sox - Carl Yaztremski - Manny Ramirez
Rockies - Larry Walker - Todd Helton
Royals - Bret Saberhagen - Mark Teahen (???)
Tigers - Kirk Gibson - Joel Zumaya
Twins - Kirby Puckett - Joe Mauer
White Sox - Carlton Fisk - AJ Pierzynski
Yankees - Yogi Berra - Derek Jeter

by ocrummy on Dec 11, 2006 4:43 PM PST reply actions  

None:
Angels - Bobby Grich, Vlad
Astros - Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens
Athletics - Jose Canseco, Eric Chavez
Blue Jays - Joe Carter, Roy Halladay
Braves - Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones
Brewers - Robin Yount, Prince Fielder
Cardinals - Lou Brock, Albert Pujols
Cubs -  Andre Dawson, Derek Lee
Devil Rays - Travis Lee, Carl Crawford
Diamondbacks - Luis Gonzalez, Brandon webb
Dodgers - Kirk Gibson, Nomar Garciaparra
Giants - Willie Mays, Barry Bonds
Indians - Cory Snyder, Travis Hafner
Mariners - Jay Buhner, Ichiro Suzuki
Marlins - Kevin Brown, Dontrelle Willis
Mets - Daryll Strawberry, Tom Glavine
(Expos)/Nationals - Randy Johnson, Nick Johnson
Orioles - Cal Ripken, Miguel Tejada
Padres - Tony Gwynn, Jake Peavy
Phillies - Pete Rose, Ryan Howard
Pirates - Willie Stargell, Jack Wilson
Rangers - Nolan Ryan, Michael Young
Reds - Chris Sabo, Ken Griffey Jr.
Red Sox - Ted Williams, David Ortiz
Rockies - Larry Walker, Todd Helton
Royals - George Brett, Mike Sweeney
Tigers - Ty Cobb, Ivan Rodriguez
Twins - Kirby Puckett, Justin Mornaeu
White Sox - Carloton Fisk, Jermaine Dye
Yankees - Babe Ruth, Derek Jeter

I just picked the guy that first came to mind...

by matt92130 on Dec 11, 2006 7:42 PM PST reply actions  

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