Tejada?

Hey Rev,

Let me in if you know anything but from what I've heard from other websites is that Miggy is next to untouchable. I'm not sure why but I think that their GM is kinda retarded and thinks they still have a shot in the Wild Card.

Also I've heard that Scioscia doesn't want Miggy there for his "personality".

Have you heard any of these and do you know if they're reliable? Of course this all the grapevine anyways right?!

by Obscurity on Jul 20, 2006 12:35 AM PDT reply actions

good sources

Not yanking your chain here.

by Rev Halofan on Jul 20, 2006 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions

Miggy's Personality

apparently grates on lazy white players and non-latin coaches who prefer beerdrinking to meetings and practice. He is, from what I understand, the MAN among his countrymen...

by Rev Halofan on Jul 20, 2006 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions

Well... Just because ITS YOU!

I'll take your word ;-)

I <3 you... Not literally but, yeah...

by Obscurity on Jul 20, 2006 12:43 AM PDT reply actions

What about

this?

by Clutch on Jul 20, 2006 1:09 AM PDT reply actions

Looks llike they heard the same stuff as me

but had the sense to make a call. Of course, that could be posturing on their part - their scouts are sticking around the A-Level Cal League to see Nicky pitch again.

by Rev Halofan on Jul 20, 2006 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions

L.A. Times bit

as good as Miggy is, there is flat out no chance in hell that trade would ever good down (for those who are too lazy to click on the link, it had the O's asking for a package of Santana, Shieldsy, and Kendrick.).

As for an Adenhardt, O-Cab, and probably Saunders and another mid-level prospect deal... that would be something to think about.

Is probably all wishful thinking in the end, but having him and Vlad back-to-back in the lineup would be pretty sweet.

by ziggy on Jul 20, 2006 1:15 AM PDT reply actions

Uh, not OC

If OC gets traded I become a Dodger fan. He's still the MVP this season.

by Carl Johnson on Jul 20, 2006 3:22 AM PDT reply actions

wait, what!

I would so do that deal. I think OC has been a great pickup, and we wouldn't be where we are if it wasn't for him, but we're talking about an MVP caliber player. He's an RBI machine, can you imagine our lineup?

Waldo Figgins
Kendrick/Izzy
The Impailer
Miggy
Anderson
Juwan
Nappy
Morales
Mcgethurtalot/Izzy/Kendrick

There are no breaks in that line-up Not one!

There's one hot chick on here.

by rjcicc on Jul 20, 2006 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions

No Breaks?

What about G.A.? He sucks. He's hit maybe 2 balls hard all month. One for the homer off Lee, the other was a line out yesterday. He's done.

Dallas has pop but a big hole in his swing. He's easy to get 2 strikes on since he swings thru so many pitches and fouls off a ton of pitches he should drive. Once he's got 2 strikes, he's almost always done.

I see 2 big holes there.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions

G.A.

does not "suck." What do you mean by hitting balls "hard?" Do you mean home runs? You don't need to hit a ball hard to get an RBI, and that's what G.A. does - 50 ribbies so far this year puts him on pace for 90+.

by Higz on Jul 20, 2006 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions

G.A. does suck....

...given his fat salary, history, and spot in the order.

Anyone with baseball knowledge knows that ribbies aren't as indicative of a player's worth as .AVG, and .OPS (and HRs), since they have A LOT to do with who's in front (and behind) you in the lineup.

Sort the stats yourself if you don't believe me.

Anderson is 9th in .OPS in the AL among regular LFs. He drops to 18th when both leagues are combined. Both place him in the bottom tier.

What is really striking is the names of the guys just ahead of him. G.A.s .OPS is only .728, above him are:

Craig Monroe - Det .735
Preston Wilson - Hou .738 (makes 1/3 the $)
Josh Willingham - Fla .755
Brad Wilkerson - Tex .793.

Statistically G.A. is nearly identical to Jason Michaels of the Indians who is batting .268 vs. G.A.'s .269, has 8 HRs (same as G.A. in 25 fewer at bats), and an .727 OPS. There are the same guy this year. If this guy was hitting behind Vlad everyday he'd have the same number of Ribbies. BELIEVE IT.

This is just comparing LFs. If you include all OFs and both leagues, G.A.'s OPS ranks him 52nd!!! He sucks and with his fat contract thru 2008, will continue to be an albatross in the Halos lineup for 2.5 more years.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Hitting balls hard...

...is just that. Do you even watch the damn games or do you just look at the box scores.

I've watched every game this season save for 4 or 5. He DOES NOT hit the ball hard very often (anymore). No I don't mean HRs.

Vlad hits mostly singles this season as his 2Bs are down. He SCORCHES his singles. Napoli hits the ball hard even when it's a 1 bagger.

G.A.'s hits tend to be bloopers and soft liners that fall in or grounders that squeak through. That's why his slugging pct. is so low. He's a singles hitter who doesn't hit for average anymore or walk hardly at all.

In his heyday, he would make up for his low .OBP by hitting 2 dozen homers and 40-50 doubles a year. Now he can't drive the ball enough to even get a gapper. He's nothing more than a platoon player at this point.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions

wow

you're really worked up over this.

Do I just look at box scores? Yeah, I just hate watching those boring baseball games.

What the hell does it matter if you "scorch" a single or bloop a single? It's still a goddamn single! Your slugging percentage remains the same because it's the same number of total bases - 1!
(And I don't put much stock in slugging percentage, but apparently you do. I believe it to be a fairly useless stat.)

Look, Garrett has been one of the most consistent and productive players in baseball over the last 10 years, hence his high salary. Sure, he's declining, as he is a victim of arthritis. He does not suck because if anything, his numbers are pretty much league average. If he were batting .240 with 30 RBI then I would be inclined to say he sucks, but he's not, so I won't.

by Higz on Jul 20, 2006 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions

Funny stuff

I love that RBI is a useful stat and SLG is not. Hilarious.

And darkangel is right. G.A. sucks. I still love him for sentimental reasons, but he just isn't that good anymore.

by Dogman on Jul 20, 2006 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Not sure why I'm responding to you

since you're the dude who uses namecalling as a debate tactic but...

The reason I don't like slugging percentage in general is that it doesn't factor in walks and it penalizes certain batting order positions and favors others. Yes, by that logic, G.A. should benefit from this stat and therefore have a comparably high SLG percentage. Ah, but I never said G.A. was doing great this year; I only said he doesn't suck.

As for RBI, if Garrett hits 90 to 100 RBI by the end of the season, you guys are really gonna tell me he sucks? Come on. You'll probably just say it's all because of Vlad.

My whole point is that "sucks" is a pretty strong term to use and I don't think it applies to G.A.

by Higz on Jul 20, 2006 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm so sorry if I ever called you a name

Whatever it was I said, I didn't mean to offend. Very sorry.

Going back to the topic - "The reason I don't like slugging percentage in general is that it doesn't factor in walks and it penalizes certain batting order positions and favors others."

As opposed to RBI which include walks and are completely independent of the position in the batting order?

Maybe that's why I called you a name. Just kidding.

by Dogman on Jul 20, 2006 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions

Yes

Even with 90-100 RBIs, he still sucks. Why? Because almost ANY mediocre player can get to that level simply by hitting 4th or 5th behind guys with high on base percentages. He hits behind O.C. who was on base for 60+ games in a row, and Vlad.

The reason he sucks is that he has no power anymore and his injuries have robbed him of what once was talent. Even his eye at the plate is awful now. He doesn't take the outside pitch to Right Field anymore even though that doesn't require any power. His eyes are the same.

All you have to do is bring in a lefty late in a game and you reduce him to the effective level of a National League starting pitcher at the plate as his .194 .230 .258 .488 line against lefties attests. Every at bat he has against lefties is attrocious. I can tell you he's gonna bail out on an inside heater for a called strike and then chase the breaking ball away in the dirt every time, and he will.

I like G.A. I just wish he wasn't a shadow of his former self and that since he is, Scioscia would reduce his playing time accordingly.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions

doesn't take the outside pitch to right field?

should he as a left hander?

by thewebb on Jul 20, 2006 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Whoops

Left Field!

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 21, 2006 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions

His numbers are not "league average"

They are BELOW AVERAGE. Below Average in my book equates to sucking.

The key words in your response are "has been". We all know what that means. Has been = sucks.

As for your assertion that slugging pct is a useless stat (crack kills bro), here are the top 10 sluggers in MLB as of today:

Pujols
Hafner
Thome
Dye
Beltran
Ramirez
Ortiz
Berkman
Howard
Wells

You're right, it's a useless stat. It's merely a coincidence that every one of these guys was an All-Star this year (save for Hafner which was a joke).

The next tier includes names like Wright, Soriano, Rolen, Giambi. Screw slugging pct! I wouldn't want any of these chumps.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Outproduced by Juan Rivera

Anderson has a 0.9 VORP this year, Juan Rivera has a 14.7 VORP, in 338 and 232 plate appearances this year. Anderson is barely distinguishable from Tommy Murphy.

Fire Mickey Hatcher. An entire generation of Angels offense depends upon it.

by scareduck on Jul 20, 2006 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions

You are correct.

And Murphy is back in AAA.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 21, 2006 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions

Hard hits

You're right singles are singles, but that was not my point. The fact that Vlad and Napoli can scorch the ball means they get MORE hits than G.A. and more total bases (which equates directly to slugging and we all know how you feel about that stat). G.A. hits more weak grounders, and lazy flyballs now that's why his average sucks and his hits lack production.

Napoli and Vlad can score a guy from 1st without hitting it out, G.A. no longer can.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Napoli

absolutely does not "scorch" balls. That is flat out wrong. He mostly hits under balls, resulting in high pop flies. Anybody who has watched him play this year can attest to that.

by Higz on Jul 20, 2006 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Wrong again buddy...

...to me high arching doubles in the gap and hard hit grounders inside the bags are scorchers and Napoli has done this with great frequency. His hits are HITS. I can't think of too many bloopers off the end of his bat or jammed shots that fall in (unlike G.A. who DOES suck).

Just because he hits a lot of balls in the air doesn't mean they're not scorched. I'm also not saying he's in Vladdy's class as for "Scorchin" but then again, who is besides maybe Pujols.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions

uh

so when GA gets a pop-up it is limp, weak, or whatever, but when Napoli gets a pop-up it is "scorched?" Whatever, you're making this shit up as you go along, it doesn't make any sense, and I'm gettiing bored with you.

by Higz on Jul 20, 2006 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Is scorched

a stat in baseball?

"Fuck the bondsman. I will do the time." -Madame Rev

by cupie on Jul 20, 2006 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Yep

right up there with the quality start

by eyespy on Jul 20, 2006 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions

nice

"Fuck the bondsman. I will do the time." -Madame Rev

by cupie on Jul 20, 2006 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions

I didn't say pop ups...

...you did. I said "in the air" as in FLY BALLS. Ever see a Homer that wasn't hit in the air? Napoli has a high fly ball ratio. He also hits the ball hard. Apparently anything not hit on the ground is a pop up to you. No wonder you don't appreciate slugging pct.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 21, 2006 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions

too bad...

he hasn't had a hit this week.

Hopefully he's not hitting the wall.

by thewebb on Jul 21, 2006 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions

I didn't say pop ups...

...you did. I said "in the air" as in FLY BALLS. Ever see a Homer that wasn't hit in the air? Napoli has a high fly ball ratio. He also hits the ball hard. Apparently anything not hit on the ground is a pop up to you. No wonder you don't appreciate slugging pct.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 21, 2006 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions

We should trade

for someone who is happy to be on our team and driving for a championship. I see so many guys who we are talking about their contracts and what not and not talking about a chance to win. I would like to see someone come in who could add not only with talent but with an attitude to help wherever needed. It could go as far as someone who is just purely an impact bat.

by higdog on Jul 20, 2006 9:24 AM PDT reply actions

it sure would be fun...

to beat the A's with the SS they let walk, too. Santana, Shields, and Kendrick for him is absolutely laughable. I wouldn't trade any two of those guys for him.

If we could do the Adenhart, Ocab, etc one I would say 'where do I sign?' Although I do really like O-Cab.

by thewebb on Jul 20, 2006 9:52 AM PDT reply actions

I am afraid of

Colon's and Escobar's durability over the next year or two. I am not convinced we should give up any pitching at this point.

by higdog on Jul 20, 2006 9:56 AM PDT reply actions

agreed

the starting 5 and Saunders at least should be pretty close to untouchable.

by thewebb on Jul 20, 2006 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions

minor league pitching

The Angels have a ton of it. Adenhart looks good so far, and would be a nice (and cheap) addition to the rotation in 2008 or 2009, but Tejada could help the team now, and in 2007, and in 2008, and in 2009.

The Angels could afford to give up Adenhart. Their pitching cupboard would not exactly be bare without him; after all, they still have several promising arms in Arredondo, Shell, Marek & Mendoza (not to mention Saunders).

If Ballmer is really willing to accept pitching prospects (as opposed to someone from the ML staff), then a deal is certainly worth pursuing.

by jjackflash on Jul 20, 2006 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions

As for the pitching prospects...

Shell has never taken the next step. He's at best, a mop up reliever in the bigs, MAYBE a 5th starter. I doubt either at this point.

Marek is a stud but as a draft and follow college guy, he's been 1-2 years older than his competition so far. Until he gets to AA or AAA and puts up numbers, the jury is out. I like him though.

Arredondo profiles as a setup guy/closer more than a starter since he primarily relies on an overpowering fastball.

Saunders is legit but getting up there for a minor leaguer (thru no fault of his own - no room for him).

Adenhart is really the only one that projects to be a front of the rotation starter. He's too valuable to give up. He' also young enough to not be ready for another 1-2 years slotting him to take Colon's rotation spot after the 07 season.

If Baltimore really wants to "give us Miggy", we can get it done with Saunders, O.C. and maybe Aybar. I'd throw in Romero AND pay his salary too. That is a fair traded for the O's. They replace MT at short with a good, if not great shortstop and land 2 of the Halos top 5 prospects at this point in time. Saunders is ready to pitch for them today. We DO NOT have to give them Nicky.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions

He's also been pitching for like a year

Arredondo profiles as a setup guy/closer more than a starter since he primarily relies on an overpowering fastball.

How about giving him some time to learn to pitch before we slot him into a role.

by LA Seitz on Jul 20, 2006 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions

not

a huge track record for guys converting to pitcher as being starters. Usually end up in the bullpen, often because they lack the thing you can't really teach, the feel for pitching.

A bad day at the ballpark is better than the best day at work

by SoCalSoxFan @ Halos Heaven on Jul 20, 2006 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions

There was a reason....

...why I said "Profiles" and not "Will likely be". I am giving him a chance. He's also only 6' 0" and 170 lbs. which is not the typical "Starters Build", unlike Adenhart (6' 3") or Weaver, Lackey, Saunders, etc.

He's a lot like K-Rod without the killer slider. Given time, though who knows...

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Shell

Remember, he's only 23 years old, and holding his own in the PCL. He's definitely not excelling, but given his propensity to take a year to adjust to each new level, he should be pretty solid there next season.

He definitely doesn't have the upside some of these other guys have demonstrated, but he's far from a washout at thi spoint.

The worst thing is the day you realize you want to win more than the players do. -Gene Mauch

by Chronicles on Jul 20, 2006 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions

There was a reason....

...why I said "Profiles" and not "Will likely be". I am giving him a chance. He's also only 6' 0" and 170 lbs. which is not the typical "Starters Build", unlike Adenhart (6' 3") or Weaver, Lackey, Saunders, etc.

He's a lot like K-Rod without the killer slider. Given time, though who knows...

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions

I was impressed

with Arredondo's secondary pitches the lone time I saw him. And the fact that he was still throwing 96 in the 7th inning, so he obviously has the stamina.

Moreover, every single scout to whom I spoke (admittedly, just one game) thought his secondary pitches were good enough to keep him as a starter.

It has been stated that the Angels plan to turn him into a reliever, which might be due to need as much as anything else. But I'd be surprised if they moved him to the bullpen until he fails as a starter.

by jjackflash on Jul 20, 2006 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Colon would be an

interesting piece of trade bait during the off season.

by higdog on Jul 20, 2006 10:00 AM PDT reply actions

I like OC, you like OC, Christ- we all like OC!

But the fact is that it's really pretty damned hard to say no-trade when a player the caliber of Tejada is involved.

I am with the thinking here that the starting pitchers and back of the bullpen are too big a sacrifice, and I think Howie Kendrick is not just our best young prospect but at this point also a presumed starter and integral part of the team by as early as the end of this year, so I'd say he's all but off-limits when we're losing multiple players.

Outside of that, you can't look at anybody else on our trading block and say "No way." Not for an iron-man with a bunch of top-level years in him. He's just too good.

by Brendo on Jul 20, 2006 10:06 AM PDT reply actions

We have been here before

Everybody still loves Eckstein, but few doubt that OC was a legitimate upgrade.

Even if Tejada is nothing near as passionate about getting this thing done here and now as OC has shown all season, obtaining him would send a huge message to the rest of the team. Something to the effect of "we went and got you a monster, so the onus is now on you to step it up to his level."

Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand. - Leo Durocher

by Stirrups on Jul 20, 2006 10:28 AM PDT reply actions

OC

OC was a huge upgrade over Eckstein.

"we went and got you a monster, so the onus is now on you to step it up to his level."
I so hate this argument. The implication, that the team wasn't playing to its best ability. This argument = lame.

"Fuck the bondsman. I will do the time." -Madame Rev

by cupie on Jul 20, 2006 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions

Either people are forgetting or don't know

that the Orioles were looking to trade Tejada earlier this season. Apparently there was a massive uproar among Baltimore fans, especially season ticket holders who said "DON'T trade Tejada!"

Not that upper management always listens to the fans, but when alot of season ticket holders are calling the front office it does make a difference....

by Jack Frost on Jul 20, 2006 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions

Also, if it's true

that Scioscioa has concerns about his "personality" then I think Mike is correct. Not that Miggy is a bad guy, but I think when you bring a very STRONG and dominant personality onto your team you have to think about chemistry and how he will fit in the clubhouse. I think this is a real concern. There is more than a players' talent that you have to look at.

by Jack Frost on Jul 20, 2006 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions

Well

Eckstein out-hit Cabrera substantially last season, and is a lot cheaper, too. The OC has the defensive edge, but I doubt it's a huge one, maybe five runs or so.

The OC is out-hitting Eck this year. But I don't think there's a clear winner yet in the SS carousel from that offseason (though Boston is definitely the loser).

The worst thing is the day you realize you want to win more than the players do. -Gene Mauch

by Chronicles on Jul 20, 2006 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Me Too

I hate this argument too. For the same implication. I hate even more that it looks to me like it is true.

Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand. - Leo Durocher

by Stirrups on Jul 20, 2006 11:15 AM PDT reply actions

What?

are you implying that the Halos have been dogging it all year?

If i have misunderstood... please explain.

"Fuck the bondsman. I will do the time." -Madame Rev

by cupie on Jul 20, 2006 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions

not dogging it

but they underachieved offesndively the whole first half.

A bad day at the ballpark is better than the best day at work

by SoCalSoxFan @ Halos Heaven on Jul 20, 2006 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions

fair enough

but to imply they have been dogging is just dumb. Underachieving... I have to agree. Let's not mince words, they were awful.

But to say that if we got Mike Tejada... all of sudden the rest of the team is going to go ape shit offensively is still just plain lame.

"Fuck the bondsman. I will do the time." -Madame Rev

by cupie on Jul 20, 2006 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions

No

I am not implying that the team has been dogging it all year. I am implying that players take pitches off, even Angels. And for the Angels, this practice has got to stop if the team is to climb back into the Series from the hole they find themselves in.

Look. Almost all players take pitches off. It's a long season. They take pitches off all the time and they have been forever. But it adds up. This is nothing unique to the Angels. Probably the only players that don't get the luxury of doing this would be Red Sox or Yankees, because of the intensity of the pressure cookers there. That's really the meaning behind the "pressure" of those places. And it's what made players such as Ty Cobb and Pete Rose stand out too, because they themselves did not.

You can't really be thinking that ballplayers treat every pitch like they would the bottom of the ninth of the 7th game of the Series, are you? If you accept that there is a difference in intensity between today's game between the Angels and Royals, as opposed to the 7th game between the Angels and the Giants, then you accept the premise that in today's game the Angels have not hit their ceiling for intensity.

I am not saying that the team has been dogging it. I am saying that the team has more capacity. Getting a Tejada might say to them: "your World Series starts now".

Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand. - Leo Durocher

by Stirrups on Jul 20, 2006 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions

Wow

This is all news to me...

"Fuck the bondsman. I will do the time." -Madame Rev

by cupie on Jul 20, 2006 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions

I rest my case

Yeah, Ok, I caught the sarcasm. And then...

8 walks
4 errors
3 wild pitches
1 passed ball
6 of the batters combined for 0 for 19, with 2 walks.
7 runners left on base

Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand. - Leo Durocher

by Stirrups on Jul 20, 2006 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions

The Angels have

too many guys fighting for jobs, to take a game off. Kennedy apparently took the first couple of months off and look where he is, on the way out. Where is my Howie shirt !?

by higdog on Jul 20, 2006 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions

Don't think so

Kennedy was hitting around .370 for the first month. Gee, I wonder what he would've been hitting then if he hadn't been taking those games off. Granted he's cooled down a lot since then.

by Clutch on Jul 20, 2006 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions

Did he get tired???

by higdog on Jul 20, 2006 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm not convinved

a Tejada deal is the answer, unless it means OC is not involved, and one shifts to another position. OC is having a career offensive year, and is much better w/ the glove than Tejada. Yes, Tejada is an MVP candidate, but with the year OC is having is the power upgrade worth a Top five pitching prospect (adenhart) and Saunders (who is more of a back end rotation guy), and maybe another prospect.

I don't know about guys taking pitches off as much as AB's. It seems the "Angel Philosophy" on hitting can be a cop out sometimes, as guys come up and swing at a first pitch changeup outside of the strike zone and pop out to third base (GA, DMAC, Vlad, etc). You usually hear the Hud man selling this as their aggressive nature (as you hear the bubbling of the bong), but that is pretty much a wasted at bat

A bad day at the ballpark is better than the best day at work

by SoCalSoxFan @ Halos Heaven on Jul 20, 2006 11:53 AM PDT reply actions

i love orlando

BUT...i don't think his trade value will get any higher. the old saying says "buy low, sell high, and OC is baked right now.

"Tanana and Ryan and 3 days of cryin'."

by angels4adam on Jul 20, 2006 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Is it too late or too soon to give Aybar a shot??

by higdog on Jul 20, 2006 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions

I was at Adenhart's last start...

I was sitting among the scouts and I can tell you there were atleast 20 scouts sitting around me.Adenhart pitched well but was onein by errors and mental mistakes. He touched 97 in the third innings and was sitting at 92/93 all night. I wouldn't want to deal him because he is one of the few minor leaguers that profiles as a true #1 starter. The O's also would like to add you Mr. Adenhart because he hails from Maryland.

by riktermiller on Jul 20, 2006 6:17 PM PDT reply actions