Tejada?
The Baltimore front office made the call and has been pestering the Angels: They want us to have Miguel Tejada.
The Orioles have had two scouts attending the past few Nick Adenhardt starts. They want pitching, pitching and more pitching and they are focusing on Nicky Fu-Manchu. Word is they were not interested in any discussions involving Dallas McPherson, Kendry Morales, Adam Kennedy or Jeff Mathis.
The dude feeding me all of this got real cryptic, but he is a reliable source. He said he thought Angels GM Bill Stoneman had the upper hand based on the "No Trade" reputation he has cultivated, but LAA's Latin Quarter in the clubhouse is clamoring for Miggy.
The irony there is that someone else I talked with who is kinda-sorta inner circle on this stuff says that Peter Angelos covets two of these Angelitos, the ones with the initials O.C. and (good news) J.C.
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Hey Rev,
Also I've heard that Scioscia doesn't want Miggy there for his "personality".
Have you heard any of these and do you know if they're reliable? Of course this all the grapevine anyways right?!
good sources
by Rev Halofan on Jul 20, 2006 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Miggy's Personality
by Rev Halofan on Jul 20, 2006 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Well... Just because ITS YOU!
I <3 you... Not literally but, yeah...
Looks llike they heard the same stuff as me
L.A. Times bit
As for an Adenhardt, O-Cab, and probably Saunders and another mid-level prospect deal... that would be something to think about.
Is probably all wishful thinking in the end, but having him and Vlad back-to-back in the lineup would be pretty sweet.
wait, what!
Waldo Figgins
Kendrick/Izzy
The Impailer
Miggy
Anderson
Juwan
Nappy
Morales
Mcgethurtalot/Izzy/Kendrick
There are no breaks in that line-up Not one!
No Breaks?
Dallas has pop but a big hole in his swing. He's easy to get 2 strikes on since he swings thru so many pitches and fouls off a ton of pitches he should drive. Once he's got 2 strikes, he's almost always done.
I see 2 big holes there.
by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
G.A.
G.A. does suck....
Anyone with baseball knowledge knows that ribbies aren't as indicative of a player's worth as .AVG, and .OPS (and HRs), since they have A LOT to do with who's in front (and behind) you in the lineup.
Sort the stats yourself if you don't believe me.
Anderson is 9th in .OPS in the AL among regular LFs. He drops to 18th when both leagues are combined. Both place him in the bottom tier.
What is really striking is the names of the guys just ahead of him. G.A.s .OPS is only .728, above him are:
Craig Monroe - Det .735
Preston Wilson - Hou .738 (makes 1/3 the $)
Josh Willingham - Fla .755
Brad Wilkerson - Tex .793.
Statistically G.A. is nearly identical to Jason Michaels of the Indians who is batting .268 vs. G.A.'s .269, has 8 HRs (same as G.A. in 25 fewer at bats), and an .727 OPS. There are the same guy this year. If this guy was hitting behind Vlad everyday he'd have the same number of Ribbies. BELIEVE IT.
This is just comparing LFs. If you include all OFs and both leagues, G.A.'s OPS ranks him 52nd!!! He sucks and with his fat contract thru 2008, will continue to be an albatross in the Halos lineup for 2.5 more years.
by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Hitting balls hard...
I've watched every game this season save for 4 or 5. He DOES NOT hit the ball hard very often (anymore). No I don't mean HRs.
Vlad hits mostly singles this season as his 2Bs are down. He SCORCHES his singles. Napoli hits the ball hard even when it's a 1 bagger.
G.A.'s hits tend to be bloopers and soft liners that fall in or grounders that squeak through. That's why his slugging pct. is so low. He's a singles hitter who doesn't hit for average anymore or walk hardly at all.
In his heyday, he would make up for his low .OBP by hitting 2 dozen homers and 40-50 doubles a year. Now he can't drive the ball enough to even get a gapper. He's nothing more than a platoon player at this point.
by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
Do I just look at box scores? Yeah, I just hate watching those boring baseball games.
What the hell does it matter if you "scorch" a single or bloop a single? It's still a goddamn single! Your slugging percentage remains the same because it's the same number of total bases - 1!
(And I don't put much stock in slugging percentage, but apparently you do. I believe it to be a fairly useless stat.)
Look, Garrett has been one of the most consistent and productive players in baseball over the last 10 years, hence his high salary. Sure, he's declining, as he is a victim of arthritis. He does not suck because if anything, his numbers are pretty much league average. If he were batting .240 with 30 RBI then I would be inclined to say he sucks, but he's not, so I won't.
Funny stuff
And darkangel is right. G.A. sucks. I still love him for sentimental reasons, but he just isn't that good anymore.
Not sure why I'm responding to you
The reason I don't like slugging percentage in general is that it doesn't factor in walks and it penalizes certain batting order positions and favors others. Yes, by that logic, G.A. should benefit from this stat and therefore have a comparably high SLG percentage. Ah, but I never said G.A. was doing great this year; I only said he doesn't suck.
As for RBI, if Garrett hits 90 to 100 RBI by the end of the season, you guys are really gonna tell me he sucks? Come on. You'll probably just say it's all because of Vlad.
My whole point is that "sucks" is a pretty strong term to use and I don't think it applies to G.A.
I'm so sorry if I ever called you a name
Going back to the topic - "The reason I don't like slugging percentage in general is that it doesn't factor in walks and it penalizes certain batting order positions and favors others."
As opposed to RBI which include walks and are completely independent of the position in the batting order?
Maybe that's why I called you a name. Just kidding.
Yes
The reason he sucks is that he has no power anymore and his injuries have robbed him of what once was talent. Even his eye at the plate is awful now. He doesn't take the outside pitch to Right Field anymore even though that doesn't require any power. His eyes are the same.
All you have to do is bring in a lefty late in a game and you reduce him to the effective level of a National League starting pitcher at the plate as his .194 .230 .258 .488 line against lefties attests. Every at bat he has against lefties is attrocious. I can tell you he's gonna bail out on an inside heater for a called strike and then chase the breaking ball away in the dirt every time, and he will.
I like G.A. I just wish he wasn't a shadow of his former self and that since he is, Scioscia would reduce his playing time accordingly.
doesn't take the outside pitch to right field?
Whoops
by darkangel01 on Jul 21, 2006 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
His numbers are not "league average"
The key words in your response are "has been". We all know what that means. Has been = sucks.
As for your assertion that slugging pct is a useless stat (crack kills bro), here are the top 10 sluggers in MLB as of today:
- Pujols
- Hafner
- Thome
- Dye
- Beltran
- Ramirez
- Ortiz
- Berkman
- Howard
- Wells
The next tier includes names like Wright, Soriano, Rolen, Giambi. Screw slugging pct! I wouldn't want any of these chumps.
Outproduced by Juan Rivera
You are correct.
by darkangel01 on Jul 21, 2006 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Hard hits
Napoli and Vlad can score a guy from 1st without hitting it out, G.A. no longer can.
Napoli
Wrong again buddy...
Just because he hits a lot of balls in the air doesn't mean they're not scorched. I'm also not saying he's in Vladdy's class as for "Scorchin" but then again, who is besides maybe Pujols.
uh
I didn't say pop ups...
by darkangel01 on Jul 21, 2006 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
too bad...
Hopefully he's not hitting the wall.
I didn't say pop ups...
by darkangel01 on Jul 21, 2006 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
We should trade
it sure would be fun...
If we could do the Adenhart, Ocab, etc one I would say 'where do I sign?' Although I do really like O-Cab.
I am afraid of
minor league pitching
The Angels could afford to give up Adenhart. Their pitching cupboard would not exactly be bare without him; after all, they still have several promising arms in Arredondo, Shell, Marek & Mendoza (not to mention Saunders).
If Ballmer is really willing to accept pitching prospects (as opposed to someone from the ML staff), then a deal is certainly worth pursuing.
As for the pitching prospects...
Marek is a stud but as a draft and follow college guy, he's been 1-2 years older than his competition so far. Until he gets to AA or AAA and puts up numbers, the jury is out. I like him though.
Arredondo profiles as a setup guy/closer more than a starter since he primarily relies on an overpowering fastball.
Saunders is legit but getting up there for a minor leaguer (thru no fault of his own - no room for him).
Adenhart is really the only one that projects to be a front of the rotation starter. He's too valuable to give up. He' also young enough to not be ready for another 1-2 years slotting him to take Colon's rotation spot after the 07 season.
If Baltimore really wants to "give us Miggy", we can get it done with Saunders, O.C. and maybe Aybar. I'd throw in Romero AND pay his salary too. That is a fair traded for the O's. They replace MT at short with a good, if not great shortstop and land 2 of the Halos top 5 prospects at this point in time. Saunders is ready to pitch for them today. We DO NOT have to give them Nicky.
by darkangel01 on Jul 20, 2006 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He's also been pitching for like a year
How about giving him some time to learn to pitch before we slot him into a role.
not
by SoCalSoxFan @ Halos Heaven on Jul 20, 2006 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
There was a reason....
He's a lot like K-Rod without the killer slider. Given time, though who knows...
Shell
He definitely doesn't have the upside some of these other guys have demonstrated, but he's far from a washout at thi spoint.
There was a reason....
He's a lot like K-Rod without the killer slider. Given time, though who knows...
I was impressed
Moreover, every single scout to whom I spoke (admittedly, just one game) thought his secondary pitches were good enough to keep him as a starter.
It has been stated that the Angels plan to turn him into a reliever, which might be due to need as much as anything else. But I'd be surprised if they moved him to the bullpen until he fails as a starter.
Colon would be an
I like OC, you like OC, Christ- we all like OC!
I am with the thinking here that the starting pitchers and back of the bullpen are too big a sacrifice, and I think Howie Kendrick is not just our best young prospect but at this point also a presumed starter and integral part of the team by as early as the end of this year, so I'd say he's all but off-limits when we're losing multiple players.
Outside of that, you can't look at anybody else on our trading block and say "No way." Not for an iron-man with a bunch of top-level years in him. He's just too good.
We have been here before
Even if Tejada is nothing near as passionate about getting this thing done here and now as OC has shown all season, obtaining him would send a huge message to the rest of the team. Something to the effect of "we went and got you a monster, so the onus is now on you to step it up to his level."
OC
"we went and got you a monster, so the onus is now on you to step it up to his level."
I so hate this argument. The implication, that the team wasn't playing to its best ability. This argument = lame.
Either people are forgetting or don't know
Not that upper management always listens to the fans, but when alot of season ticket holders are calling the front office it does make a difference....
Also, if it's true
Well
The OC is out-hitting Eck this year. But I don't think there's a clear winner yet in the SS carousel from that offseason (though Boston is definitely the loser).
Me Too
What?
If i have misunderstood... please explain.
not dogging it
by SoCalSoxFan @ Halos Heaven on Jul 20, 2006 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
fair enough
But to say that if we got Mike Tejada... all of sudden the rest of the team is going to go ape shit offensively is still just plain lame.
No
Look. Almost all players take pitches off. It's a long season. They take pitches off all the time and they have been forever. But it adds up. This is nothing unique to the Angels. Probably the only players that don't get the luxury of doing this would be Red Sox or Yankees, because of the intensity of the pressure cookers there. That's really the meaning behind the "pressure" of those places. And it's what made players such as Ty Cobb and Pete Rose stand out too, because they themselves did not.
You can't really be thinking that ballplayers treat every pitch like they would the bottom of the ninth of the 7th game of the Series, are you? If you accept that there is a difference in intensity between today's game between the Angels and Royals, as opposed to the 7th game between the Angels and the Giants, then you accept the premise that in today's game the Angels have not hit their ceiling for intensity.
I am not saying that the team has been dogging it. I am saying that the team has more capacity. Getting a Tejada might say to them: "your World Series starts now".
I rest my case
8 walks
4 errors
3 wild pitches
1 passed ball
6 of the batters combined for 0 for 19, with 2 walks.
7 runners left on base
The Angels have
Don't think so
I'm not convinved
I don't know about guys taking pitches off as much as AB's. It seems the "Angel Philosophy" on hitting can be a cop out sometimes, as guys come up and swing at a first pitch changeup outside of the strike zone and pop out to third base (GA, DMAC, Vlad, etc). You usually hear the Hud man selling this as their aggressive nature (as you hear the bubbling of the bong), but that is pretty much a wasted at bat
by SoCalSoxFan @ Halos Heaven on Jul 20, 2006 11:53 AM PDT reply actions
i love orlando
by angels4adam on Jul 20, 2006 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions

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