Carlos Lee to Texas

by rjcicc on Jul 28, 2006 8:36 AM PDT Comment 33 comments

It appears Texas is going to and bash their way into the playoffs. ESPN is reporting a miulti-player deal in which Texas sends Fransisco Cordero, Kevin Mench and Lance NIx in return for Lee.
Does the Angels stratagy change now that teams within our own devision are making moves?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2532418

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Carlos Lee doesn't pitch...

so I don't know if it has to change the plans in LAoA. It isn't the best of news but it could be worse.

by riktermiller on Jul 28, 2006 8:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed

I was mostly trying to hit that magical 300 word plateau.

There's one hot chick on here.

by rjcicc on Jul 28, 2006 8:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Lee

I hate that he is going to be in the AL West, and although we could use a guy with a good average, good OPS, 28 Dinges and 81 RBI's. I just dont see where he would play on the Angels. If Rivera is in LF and GA at DH. There is no where to put him.

I am not sure, but I think Lee is under contract for a few years, and I do not look forward to him being in the West for years to come!

Although the Rangers do need pitching, you will have to agree that they are a better club with Lee. Lets wait and see if the A's improve as well.

Bad Stoneman, Bad Stoneman...whatcha gonna do?

by P237 on Jul 28, 2006 9:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

He's a rental

He's a free agent after this season. Apperantly he owns a home in Chicago and would love to sign with the Cubs.

There's one hot chick on here.

by rjcicc on Jul 28, 2006 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good

Glad to ehar he is a rental!

Bad Stoneman, Bad Stoneman...whatcha gonna do?

by P237 on Jul 28, 2006 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not signed long-term

Lee is not under contract after this year.

This is a decent enough deal for them, but they obviously need starting pitching more than anything else. I don't think Lee is going to put them over the top.

by Sean on Jul 28, 2006 9:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Seriously...

How is Carlos Lee THAT much better than Kevin Mench. 100 points of OPS isn't that big of a deal.

And, Cordero is a good pitcher who had a crappy first two months.

Bad deal for Texas, IMO.

Jim S.

by jimmuscomp on Jul 28, 2006 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Tejada

According to the Oc Register, the Orioles want Santana, Kendrick and Shields for Tejada...

Unfricking believable they are out of their minds. Why don't they take Lackey, Frankie and Vlad while they are at it...

Bad Stoneman, Bad Stoneman...whatcha gonna do?

by P237 on Jul 28, 2006 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

No ML Players

I wouldn't send them any current starting players and with Colon's health in doubt, I wouldn't trade Saunders either.

If we could make Wood the centerpiece of a trade and add in a couple other prospects, I'd do it.
No way we trade Shields or Santana right now. Trading Kendrick for Tejada would really just shift our need from third base to second.

by akathelorax on Jul 28, 2006 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And we do nothing...

Is this becoming a situation where we have too much talent? Our plethora of prsopects seems to be watering down their worth. Their like radio call-ins asking why we can't get Roger Clemens for Kevin Gregg. I

There's one hot chick on here.

by rjcicc on Jul 28, 2006 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe

That is what I am starting to think, our middle level propsects are worthless becuase if teams cant get out top prospects they are done talking to us!

Bad Stoneman, Bad Stoneman...whatcha gonna do?

by P237 on Jul 28, 2006 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

My take as well, our high prospects are so good everyone wants them. I'm not willing to mortgage the future for this year....

by anaheimisnotla on Jul 28, 2006 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No

but I would trade 2-4 mid level prospect for help at either 1b, 3b..leaving the heart of the farm intact

Bad Stoneman, Bad Stoneman...whatcha gonna do?

by P237 on Jul 28, 2006 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh hell, throw in Napoli & Weaver too

did they need any refills on that crack pipe?

I keep hitting "ESCAPE", but I am still here.

by ladybug on Jul 28, 2006 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Texas flips Lee

for pitching...

by Rev Halofan on Jul 28, 2006 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The difference between Lee and Mench

is only about half-a-win, as I see it (http://anaheimangelsblog.blogspot.com/2006/07/rangers-acquire-carlos-lee-as-reported.html). But it could potentially be more if Lee continues at this pace -- he's having his best season thus far.

The worst thing is the day you realize you want to win more than the players do. -Gene Mauch

by Chronicles on Jul 28, 2006 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

If your were to compare

the players the Rangers gave up for Lee and find Halos equivalents, they would be this:

Kevin Mench = Rob Quinlan

Mench: .797 OPS;1 HR every 26.6 ABs; 28 years old

Quinlan: .802 OPS; 1 HR every 26.6 ABs; 29 years old

Laynce Nix = Tommy Murphy

Francisco Cordero = Brendan Donnelly

So would you trade Q, Murphy and Donnelly for Lee? It would be a good trade if it nets a World Series birth and/or Lee signs an extension. It would be a bad trade if Lee is only an Angel for 60 days and we still don't make it to the Big Dance. Losing Quinlan is not a small loss. The other two are throw ins.

Even if Lee signs an extension, he's a 240+ lb corner outfielder. This guys will need to DH in 2 years tops and has the body type (Smaller Moo Vaughn) that tends to break down at an earlier age. RF is taken and LF needs to be save for Rivera (although Juan plays well in Center). Interesting idea, but alas, too late.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 28, 2006 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I would take....

Mench over Quinlan, Nix over Murphy, and Cordero over Donnelly without even blinking.

by thewebb on Jul 28, 2006 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly -

Those really aren't valid comps on the Angels...

I really think that Texas maybe picked up a win with todays trade - at the absolute most, and honestly I would rather have Mench and Cordero next year than Lee for 2 months, so I say it is a win for the Brewers. Of course, I don't know the prospect that went to Texas - I'll look him up tonight.

Jim S.

by jimmuscomp on Jul 28, 2006 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

I think it was a good trade both ways really since the Brewers wouldn't resign him. I'm assuming the Rangers figured Cordero didn't like not closing and would probably bitch until he does, Matthews is better than Nix, so it's basically Mench for Lee and some spare parts.

by thewebb on Jul 28, 2006 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cordero

was probably a key factor for the Brewers. Derrick Turnbow has been imploding with increasing regularity lately, and did once again today. Cordero came in to put out the fire and earn the save.

by jjackflash on Jul 30, 2006 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yup

and Quinlan and Mench's numbers appear to be similar, and Quinlan's numbers are almost all against lefties. These two are incomparable.

by thewebb on Jul 30, 2006 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure they're valid

You think Mench is better than he is. Trust me, the guy is no better than Quinlan and Quinlan is more versatile in the field. I wouldn't trade Q for Mench and neither would Bill. Laynce Nix is a speedy guy with a good glove who's hit .240 in 816 ABs. If anything, Murphy has more upside because he hasn't shown he CAN'T hit ML pitching. Cordero may be good again, maybe not. Same with Donnelly. Both have been dominant relievers in the past, and All-Stars. Both are now far from it. Case closed.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 29, 2006 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

john RIP samo

by angels4adam on Jul 29, 2006 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm glad you closed your own case

by thewebb on Jul 30, 2006 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

One more thing...

...This trade sets the bar for Bowden for Soriano. This guys is gonna be stuck with Al if he thinks he can net top prospects for a rental player. Lee is almost as good as Soriano and the same age. All he netted was a speedy .240 career hitting OF, a former closer with shaky confidence, and a Rob Quinlan clone who wouldn't start on many teams.

Get a clue Jim.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 28, 2006 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

...good point...

...the price may be affordable on Monday...

by Rev Halofan on Jul 28, 2006 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah.

Bowden's a jackass and always has been.

Fire Mickey Hatcher. An entire generation of Angels offense depends upon it.

by scareduck on Jul 28, 2006 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

According to 710am

Buster Olney on 710 just said The angels offered to high level prospects (no names were announced) for Carlos Lee. The Brew crew wanted more major leaugers than prospects. Stoneman wasnt willing to offer any players on our roster...

I don't disagree with Stonewall on this one, but I can think of a few players I would have offered (not all of them):
AK
Figgins
Donkey
Romero
Gregg
Quinlan

I think anyone of these names and the two prospects would have gotten it done... The question mark is who were the two propsects!

Bad Stoneman, Bad Stoneman...whatcha gonna do?

by P237 on Jul 28, 2006 2:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

Soriano said today that if he gets traded he would have no desire to re-sign with the Nats as a FA. I think when the deadline gets here.....a Wood/Mathis/Marek or Brown should swing Soriano and a mid level prospect our way. Bowden's asking price is going to have to go down. If we got Soriano via trade, I'm sure wqe would be able to sign him in the offseason. Expensive yes, but we're losing a lot off the books already.

by UCSBhalo on Jul 28, 2006 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

There is no way....

....you trade a Brandon Wood by himself (let alone with Mathis and Marek) for ANY rental player. Boras will not negotiate in season and will pit the Yankees against anyone offering Soriano a contract this offseason.

This would be a stupid move of epic proportions. Why on earth would you give up everyone's consensus #2 prospect in baseball (behind Delmon Young) for a 2 month rental? Wood is only 21 years old and is leading all of baseball in extra base hits for the 2nd year in a row.

Look at what Milwaukee got for Lee today. That's about what Soriano is worth.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jul 28, 2006 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I am absolutely astonished...

...that Texas is trading away players in order to acquire more offense. This has to be the first time in their club history that they have ever addressed hitting needs over pitching needs. Wow.

I'm not that worried about the move for now. We could easily balance it out with an acquisition no bigger than a Craig Wilson (if Pittsburgh's GM stops confusing his worth with that of Jason Bay's). Texas has a rotation of guys with inexplicably big names, and small results. They'll still be finishing 3rd this year.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 28, 2006 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs