Which "K" has more POWER?

by acuda27 on Jan 29, 2007 5:56 PM PST

Kendry and Kotchman will battle it out for 1B in Spring Training. The Angels and us fans are in need of a power hitter(Unless they get Cabrera)so what should we do.

Would you rather have Kotchman with Great Defense but mediocre Power(He had a high BA in the minors but never did hit for power)...

Or Kendry with Good Defense(No Errors in 58 games + Gold Glove in DWL this season and only 5 errors with the Angels in 56 games) and Power(Hit 3HR in a game in the DWL.....Lead the league in HRs......HR in 1st profesional ABs....and had a couple other Multi-HR games in his 1st full year of Pro Baseball.)

You all know who i choose but who would you guys take????????

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The K's

Kendry....."Good Defense" + Swich Hitter + Power from Both sides

64 votes

Kotchman....."Great Defense" + Lefty + Mediocre Power

39 votes

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I think the Angels will start....

Whoever has the better Spring Training. The position should be up for grabs. Heck, if Quinlan has a better spring, then he should get the job.

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by Angel Hawker on Jan 29, 2007 6:11 PM PST reply actions

Talk about a subjective analysis ;-)

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by cardinalwraith on Jan 29, 2007 6:11 PM PST reply actions

Concur

Good defense is hardly how I would describe Morales. I know it's a limited sample size, but calling him 'good' around the bag is a bit of a stretch. Kotchman appears, once again small sample size, to be a superior fielder. Calling him a mediocre hitter, just adds evidence that the author is attempting to use pathos to sway us towards his intended outcome at the expense of his own ethos. Having said that, I'm going to use logos and say whomever has the best spring will be the winner unless it is Quinlan. I would give the edge at this point to Kotchman.

It's the Chinese water torture method of hitting

by ineptituderunsamok on Jan 29, 2007 6:53 PM PST up reply actions

When did I say he was a Medeocre HItter???????

I said he has MEDIOCRE POWER....and then i said that he has hit for a "HIGH AVERAGE"(How did you translate that into me saying hes a mediocre hitter??????)

And yes whoever has the best spring will win the job i was just asking which you would prefer a low-medium power hitter.....or a pure power hitter????

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Jan 29, 2007 9:09 PM PST up reply actions

Does

adding additional punctuation prove your point? Mediocre was your word. I may have misinterpreted your words, but I'm fairly certain I was able to understand your meaning. Everyone is aware that you have an affinity for Kendry Morales. In my estimation he is not as good a player as Kotchman. I merely pointed out that your analysis of them is obviously skewed.

It's the Chinese water torture method of hitting

by ineptituderunsamok on Jan 30, 2007 12:05 AM PST up reply actions

Kotchman

All the way.
But as has been said...whoever plays best in spring.
I'm still curious to see if there will be a trade actually.

by sublimeguyjohn @ Halos Heaven on Jan 29, 2007 7:16 PM PST reply actions

Kotchman

It's not at all clear that Morales has learned plate discipline. Kotchman has.

Fire Mickey Hatcher. An entire generation of Angels offense depends upon it.

by scareduck on Jan 29, 2007 7:21 PM PST reply actions

Lets hope he got another discipline...

That he screens the people he's hooking up with now...we don't want him catching something they can't diagnosis

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by Angel Hawker on Jan 29, 2007 7:25 PM PST up reply actions

Amen!!!!!

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Jan 29, 2007 9:10 PM PST up reply actions

For my money...

I'd rather have good defense with high average than questionable defense and mid-average-better power.

Good defense makes the rest of the infield better and as long as he can set the table for others or at least protect someone else, I can live with so-so power.

Of course, if Morales turns out to have Delgado power, I live with a few errors.

Feels like the 1970's all over again. <sigh>

by Moondoggy on Jan 29, 2007 10:43 PM PST reply actions

I would say

That it's Kotchman's job to lose and only Kendry's to win. Kendry could probably use some more time in AAA where Kotch has proven he can dominate at that level and perform in the bigs.

If Kendry truly lights it up huge in spring training, he won't be denied. Anything short of that, or a very poor Kotchman showing, otherwise it's Kotchman's job. Before they can just give the job to Kendry, even if he deserves it, they need Kotch to prove he is back, so they could at least get something in a trade. We are very lucky though because both of these guys are only 23 and they could both be pounding on the MLB door demanding an opportunity with their level of play.

I have a similar survey. Who starts more diaries, Johnsamo or acuda27? We all know who has the monopoly on exclamation.

by LosAngel on Jan 29, 2007 10:57 PM PST reply actions

Kendry has yet to prove....

... that he can hit AAA pitching as hard as Kotchman did in 2004. Until then, he's got some catching up to do.

by mattwelch on Jan 29, 2007 11:58 PM PST reply actions

Read.....The Following Then Reply.

Ill understand if you dont because you will realize that Kotchmans 2004 AAA stint was not so amazing!!!!

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Jan 30, 2007 12:47 AM PST up reply actions

It took Kendry about 1.5years to get to the bigs..

and Kotchman 2.5years....so Kotch has some catching up to do.....oh and Kendry hit 12 Hr with 52RBIs in his AAA stint last year.....and Kotchmans "Hard Hitting in 2004" only produced 5Hrs and 37RBIs......I dont know but looks like Kendrys was more productive than kotch was in his "Amazing 2004" where he did hit .365 and Kendry only hit .310.....but lets compare their AAA stints....

Kendry(AAA 2006) R=41 RBI=52 HR=12 AVG=.310

Kotch(AAA 2004) R=32 RBI=37 HR=5 AVG=.365

Kendry had way more production in his stint in AAA compared to Kotchman.....thanks for pointing out Kotchmans "Amazing 2004" cuz now im sure Kendry is the better player!!!!

You might want too look at Kotchmans AAA stats for 2005 and 2006....it shows that hes getting better....NOT...His average goes to .289 then to .000

Kendry All the way!!!!!

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Jan 30, 2007 12:44 AM PST reply actions

I would like to point out

That Kendry only got to the bigs faster because there was a little something called an emergency. Trust me, if it hadn't been for Mr. Mononucleosis, Kendry would have been in AAA the ENTIRE SEASON.
Which is not to say he's not the better player (he's probably not), just that you need to make valid comparisons.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Jan 30, 2007 1:02 AM PST up reply actions

Please

do not try and add logic to this discussion. Logic has no place in matters of the heart!

It's the Chinese water torture method of hitting

by ineptituderunsamok on Jan 30, 2007 1:18 AM PST up reply actions

Ya and he would of been there even faster

If not for another thing called an emergency. Trust me if it he wouldnt have gotten stuck in the Dominican Republic for so long he would have been our DH in 2005. Mike even said it. And It was not Kendrys fault he got stuck in the DR but it was Kotchmans fault he was kissing little highschool girls!

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Jan 30, 2007 1:18 PM PST up reply actions

Ok

Provide the link where Mike said that, please.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Jan 30, 2007 2:53 PM PST up reply actions

All right, I'll bite

They are for all intents and purposes the same age. They were both playing in some form of minor league basbeall. Kotchman made his MLB debut in May of 2004, and Morales made his 2 years later. As another poster pointed out, Morales' debut likely would have been even later if not for the kiss of death. That would effctively invalidate your first point.

Your second point revolves around Kotchman's 2004 where he had 3 promotions, and still hit over 370 in the minors. I'm aware that he 'only' had 8 homers in his 77 minor league games, but i'll take the average any day. Kendry was 2 years older during his 2006 season, and had only a promotion from double a to triple a to contend with. Your comparison are not quite accurate, and even if they were, I'd still take Kotchman.

And now for the lamest comment of all time; "his average goes to .000." His entire minor league year in 2006 consisted of 7 at bats. In case you missed that, I'm going to add some exclamation points because that is apparently the only way that you can understand this; 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some things to consider:

Learn how to use punctuation. The first thing to look up is ellipsis. If you want to be taken seriously, write in a manner that doesn't make me think you're 12.
If you're thinking about calling out Matt on a statistical argument, think twice and make sure your arguement is 100% solid or you will be ruined.

It's the Chinese water torture method of hitting

by ineptituderunsamok on Jan 30, 2007 1:44 AM PST up reply actions

Foxsports.com had this to say about Kotchman...

(Morales wasn't on the list)

Who are the next first basemen ready to slug at least 20 homers and drive in 80 RBI to become fantasy starters?

1. Casey Kotchman, Los Angeles
He's been heralded as one of the Angels' top prospects since he was drafted. After winning the first base spot last year, though, Kotchman disappointed by missing the vast majority of the season with mononucleosis. He's returned to full strength now and is slated to win the Angels' starting first base position again. Though Kotchman only hit 10 homers at Triple A in 2005, he totaled 160 bases in 94 games, including 23 doubles, and drove in 58 RBI. He also walked more (43) than he struck out (40), showing excellent plate discipline.

What bodes well for his future is that he displayed an ability to hit for power in the majors in limited time in 2005. He hit 7 homers, had 22 RBI and scored 16 runs with a .278 batting average in 143 plate appearances. Given a full season with 502 plate appearances based upon his 2005 stats, Kotchman would be projected to hit 25 homers, 77 RBI and 56 runs with a similar .278 average.

Link to Article:
http://msn.foxsports.com/fantasy/story/6426474

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by Angel Hawker on Jan 30, 2007 5:48 PM PST up reply actions

Cool I wish him luck

I actually dont if he wins the 1B job as long as he does good. Kendry is projected to be our everday DH once the team becomes stable in 2008-2009 when Brandon Wood comes in and Rivera/Evans/Guerrero take over the outfield and our infield is McPherson(Rodriguez)/Wood/Kendrick/Kotchman but im sure Morales will still get some playing time at 1B next year and in the future.

But Morales can still upset Kotchman this spring. Or Hill might upset Kotch and Morales will get to DH?

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Jan 30, 2007 11:30 PM PST up reply actions

This is easy:

Why not compare major league stats?

Kotchman 2005 (pre illness) .278/.352/.484 with 7 HR in 126 ABs.

Morales 2006 .234/.293/.371 with 5 HR in 197 ABs.

This is not even close. This is Kotchman's job to lose.

by akathelorax @ Halos Heaven on Jan 30, 2007 8:49 AM PST reply actions

Thats Kotchmans second call up.

First Taste of the show.

Kotchman 2004 .224/.289/.276 with 0 HR in 116 AB

Morales 2006 .234/.293/.371 with 5 HR in 197 AB

MLB career....

Kotchman .227/.289/.343 8HR 43RBI 29R 42SO 321AB

Morales .234/.293/.371 5HR 22RBI 21R 28SO 197AB

Ive said enough to rest my point.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Jan 30, 2007 1:41 PM PST up reply actions

No, you haven't

You can't say that Kotchman's performance WHILE INJURED is relevant to how he'll perform this season, while healthy. Revisit this when we're in August and Kotchman's been playing the entire season.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Jan 30, 2007 2:53 PM PST up reply actions