Let's all calm the fuck down.
I thought that I would respond to this walk-off loss with doom, gloom, and a deserved suicide watch by my family. But I'm strangely calm. Why?
Because we've won three division titles in four years. Because we've won a world championship. There are a lot of clubs that can't say that.
We simply weren't as ready for this postseason as we could have been. Vlad has a bum wing, GA decided to contract pinkeye, and an already-injured GMJ came up lame catching a flyball in his old stomping grounds. It sucks, yeah, and it hurts, but at least we got to the dance and we had a chance to take home the gold. The playoffs are a crapshoot, and the baseball gods don't look like they're willing to call our number this year.
The outlook for this series may be bleak, but the future looks very bright. Kendrick and Kotchman are still young. A healthy Howie is going to hit close to .400 at a usually offensively-weak position, and Kotch's doubles power will turn into out-of-the-park power as he gets older. A healthy Napoli and a more mature Mathis will give us a solid catching duo. I'm going to make acuda happy and say that Kendry gives us a good option at DH, and we mercifully have a glut at that spot with a healthy Johnny Rivers, provided he doesn't think about sliding into first again.
On the pitching side, Lackey is going to continue to mature and settle in as the staff ace. Jered Weaver is going to build upon a fairly solid sophomore campaign (when many prognosticators were predicting a disaster-filled 5-ERA season) and give us numbers worthy of a number-two pitcher in the third spot of the rotation. Saunders will mature as well and give us a solid lefty arm in the rotation.
And that's what we've got at the major league level. Brandon Wood will provide Glaus-like power (with better defense) at third sack. Terry Evans is going to provide us some pop at one of the corner outfield positions when GA retires and Vladdy makes the eventual move to DH. Nick Adenhart still has his arm attached.
The reality is that we were a few strikes and a foul-ball-caught-by-a-chowda-head away from taking a split series back to Anaheim. Scioscia took a rational gamble walking Ortiz to pitch to Manny, and sometimes gambles don't work out. That was the case tonight. That's baseball.
But at the end of the day, this is a club that will continue to contend for years to come. We are not the Phillies or Rockies, who arguably have this one opportunity to make it to the World Series before lapsing into another postseason drought. We're going to be playing October baseball in 2008, we're going to get another shot in the dance.
So like our good manager says, one game at a time. Look toward tomorrow, don't dwell on today, because tomorrow still looks promising no matter what happens during the rest of the series.
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thanks cardinalwrath,
Nicley stated
we can win in Anaheim
if we bear beckett
that's what i'm counting on
I like this story, but it will sit better ...
don't clam up now...
by Downing Rules on Oct 5, 2007 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Sciocia's club hasn't checked out.
by rbrianc on Oct 7, 2007 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
The best thing about "tomorrow"
by Retire4 on Oct 5, 2007 11:07 PM PDT reply actions
panther!
by Downing Rules on Oct 5, 2007 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It did seem...
I certainly hope he didn't leave the game out of frustration (from being hit or from sucking in the postseason). But, as I stated in another thread, if he had to leave tonight's game due to a "contusion," I doubt he'll be ready by Sunday. The best that injury was going to feel was tonight, with the adrenaline flowing and the significance heavy.
I played with and against pitchers who would drill you for looking at them the wrong way. I once played on a team where one of our pitchers hit an opposing player because that player had robbed our star player of a hit, with a great play, in front of many ML scouts. Despite what many think, hitting batters is an important, and ever-present, part of baseball, and it's among the greatest possible chemistry builders. The team that doesn't participate only shows weakness, and professionals thrive by taking advantage of both weaknesses and mistakes.
I find it ironic, really, that a team built around playing the game "the right way" is so lacking in this vital area of the game.
And I think you're right, Shields could've, and maybe should've, gone after Ortiz tonight. Unfortunately, I think it takes all of Scot's effort just to get the ball near the plate; I don't think that his head's on right at the moment.
As much as I understand Vlad's frustration (or, more appropriately, try to) I can't accept the fact that he would leave the game out of frustration over a lack of retaliation. I have to believe he really was hurt (I'm guessing that caught some shoulder blade). If, however, he did leave the game because Shields/the rest of the bullpen, didn't retaliate, then there are two main concerns: 1) is that kind of bad chemistry reparable in the short term? 2) will Scisoscia recognize the situation for what it is and change his strategy? It is, afterall, Vlad's team.
I'd go after Ortiz's knees ALL DAY LONG Sunday. If you're going to walk him FOUR TIMES, you may as well mix it up some. I think Weaver might be just the guy to do it too. He appears, sometimes, to get it.
And I'm just old-school enough to say that if Ortiz doesn't get his knees taken out Sunday, then the Angels don't stand a chance of winning. Yes, I think it's reached that level.
by Retire4 on Oct 5, 2007 11:31 PM PDT reply actions
Hold your horses!
No way Jose. Whoever started that illogic is closer to one third my age (55) than one half. That is very sophomoric. I grade it an "F." Vlad left the game because he was hurt. Period.
Hold on here just a second Yetijuice
Part of what seemed strange or would seem to be consistent with this level of frustration would be
1)Vlad stayed in the game for quite a long time before apparently taking himself out of the game. If he was seriously injured why wait?
2)The TV broadcast showed Vlad in the outfield immediately following his beaning and he DID NOT look happy. This as you know is unusual for the almost always carefree Vladdy.
3) There is a history with Vlad and the Red Sox. His missed time earlier this season after being intentionally beaned by Becket ( go ahead and challenge me on this one Yetijuice, cause I'm waiting for you !!)
4)Looking at the replay of the beaning, Vlad appeared to be hit in the fleshy part of the upper arm. It is hard to imagine that a contusion (if indeed that is what it was)would keep a competitor like Vlad out of the BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR.
As Retire4 has stated, if indeed it was accidental, this kind of play definitely warrants a response, which was not forthcoming.
All in all, I hardly think my "speculation" is either sophomoric or worthy of an "F". Without being able to get inside Vlad's head, at the very least I think it fair to say that Vlad must have been thinking about all this. And even though it is more probable that he left due to the injury flaring up or swelling, I don't think it can be denied that there continues to be frustration on the part of our hitters with regards to a lack of protection.
3/4
I won't deny being "fed up"
To write off my analysis as mere transference is amateurish and definitely an over simplification of a complex and ongoing situation. I would expect a little bit more insightfulness from you Rev.
Have you not been watching Vlad's response to being hit so frequently? If a picture is worth a thousand words Vlad's facial expression last night said it all (both immediately after being hit and in the outfield in the bottom half of the 7th.)
But I guess you're just going to disregard all this and say all these beanings are simply accidental and due to Angels hitters crowding the plate; absolute horseshit....
No F Bomb Here!
The only sophomoric
You're a nitpicking know-nothing and you make that readily apparent nearly each time you post.
Now, please post some more about your friends in Punjab (and, no, I'm not talking about Coach Sedoo), or wherever, since you seem to find yourself so clever and entertaining.
When was the last time you offered this site anything constructive, entertaining, or insightful? All I see from you is agitating, nitpicking, and you're own unique brand of (psuedo) intellectual masturbation.
Check yourself. You're a tool.
by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And sorry, in advance,
by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Not cool...
Maybe I am a tool, too.
Your comments were uncalled for and you owe yeti an apology if you are lucky enough for him to accept it.
by Downing Rules on Oct 6, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I apologize to you
I've lurked at this site since inception, only recently deciding to start contributing/posting. I don't mind if the guy disagrees, I think that's a big part of what makes this site cool. But smug, condescending diatribes like he's offered me so far are rankling because they're disrespectful and off-topic. So, in turn, I've offered my opinion.
I only ask that people take the same tone with me here that they would in person. So far, Yeti alone has chosen not to do that. I've simply chosen to voice my opinion.
Again, downingrules, I mean no offense to you or anyone else. I'm new here, to an extent, I realize, but respect isn't too much to ask for. All others have given it in spades.
Ironically, the lone voice of agitation has come from the person calling me (and Jack Frost) "sophomoric."
Just calling it like I see it, as they say.
by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Jack Frost,
by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Denial is a river in Africa
a little strange that Vladi stayed in the game, and then in the field, only to be removed in the bottom of the eighth."
Vlad was a gamer who tried to remain in the game. There was nothing strange about Guerrero leaving the game half an hour after being hit by a pitch. I have seen that happen in games before. It would have been strange if Vlad left the game without being hit and with no apparent injury.
Yes, there is a history of beanings in Angel vs Red Sox games. What happened first the chicken or the egg? Yes indeed Vladimir was hit by Josh Beckett in April 2007. Take a time machine back to August 1967 when Jack Hamilton beaned Tony Conigliaro. In six years of play before that there were several other Angels and Red Sox hit by pitches.
I expect that there will be some inside pitches tomorrow that will brush a Red Sox or three back or make him hit the dirt. Perchance one Bostonian might get hit. The Angels want to have plausible deniability. Mike Scioscia is conducting a disinformation campaign. When and if it happens we want to keep the benefit of doubt that the pitch accidently got away. I am a believer of what goes around comes around. Stay tuned!
This post was misplaced...
I've got too much respect for Vlad to believe that he left the game out of frustration, but it is an interesting idea given the circumstances.
Why didn't Shields go after Ortiz (instead of pitching around him with two out and nobody on)?
If ever there was a time for Vlad to be frustrated, that was it.
by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Please see below...
by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice post...
I'd almost be content with that... but a few more WS flags would be nice.
and you guys are missing one little point
oh no!
but who will replace him?!
put in a position player. hit ortiz. done.
THE FUTURE
Can we reach the light?
I say we have a shot!!!!

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