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Let's all calm the fuck down.

I thought that I would respond to this walk-off loss with doom, gloom, and a deserved suicide watch by my family. But I'm strangely calm. Why?

Because we've won three division titles in four years. Because we've won a world championship. There are a lot of clubs that can't say that.

We simply weren't as ready for this postseason as we could have been. Vlad has a bum wing, GA decided to contract pinkeye, and an already-injured GMJ came up lame catching a flyball in his old stomping grounds. It sucks, yeah, and it hurts, but at least we got to the dance and we had a chance to take home the gold. The playoffs are a crapshoot, and the baseball gods don't look like they're willing to call our number this year.

The outlook for this series may be bleak, but the future looks very bright. Kendrick and Kotchman are still young. A healthy Howie is going to hit close to .400 at a usually offensively-weak position, and Kotch's doubles power will turn into out-of-the-park power as he gets older. A healthy Napoli and a more mature Mathis will give us a solid catching duo. I'm going to make acuda happy and say that Kendry gives us a good option at DH, and we mercifully have a glut at that spot with a healthy Johnny Rivers, provided he doesn't think about sliding into first again.

On the pitching side, Lackey is going to continue to mature and settle in as the staff ace. Jered Weaver is going to build upon a fairly solid sophomore campaign (when many prognosticators were predicting a disaster-filled 5-ERA season) and give us numbers worthy of a number-two pitcher in the third spot of the rotation. Saunders will mature as well and give us a solid lefty arm in the rotation.

And that's what we've got at the major league level. Brandon Wood will provide Glaus-like power (with better defense) at third sack. Terry Evans is going to provide us some pop at one of the corner outfield positions when GA retires and Vladdy makes the eventual move to DH. Nick Adenhart still has his arm attached.

The reality is that we were a few strikes and a foul-ball-caught-by-a-chowda-head away from taking  a split series back to Anaheim. Scioscia took a rational gamble walking Ortiz to pitch to Manny, and sometimes gambles don't work out. That was the case tonight. That's baseball.

But at the end of the day, this is a club that will continue to contend for years to come. We are not the Phillies or Rockies, who arguably have this one opportunity to make it to the World Series before lapsing into another postseason drought. We're going to be playing October baseball in 2008, we're going to get another shot in the dance.

So like our good manager says, one game at a time. Look toward tomorrow, don't dwell on today, because tomorrow still looks promising no matter what happens during the rest of the series.

This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan. Tell us what you think and how you feel.

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thanks cardinalwrath,
i'm wet with joy. i just wish we could do something this year is all; not to say that this thing is over with just yet.
Mickey Hatcher; why art thou the shittiest hitting coach ever eth?

by calikraze on Oct 5, 2007 10:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Nicley stated
I would add to all the long time fans of the Angels that even though we hurt bad when the Angels lose, we do get the incredible rush when they win. I've been a loyal fan since 1976 and I would never, never trade what I felt in 2002 for a chance to be a front runner fan who simply goes from one World Series champion to another. I applaud all the long time Angels fans. Go get some sleep. Here is to better days ahead, if not this year, then in the near future. Go Angels!

by tanana40 on Oct 5, 2007 10:51 PM PDT reply actions  

we can win in Anaheim
on Sunday.  beating beckett on Monday?  ouch!  but Sunday first.  i think we can win that game.  

by SCHalo on Oct 5, 2007 10:53 PM PDT reply actions  

if we bear beckett
we have a great shot tied facing dice-k i presume.
Mickey Hatcher; why art thou the shittiest hitting coach ever eth?

by calikraze on Oct 5, 2007 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

*beat
Mickey Hatcher; why art thou the shittiest hitting coach ever eth?

by calikraze on Oct 5, 2007 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's what i'm counting on
we gotta get this thing back to hell (fenway)...if we get it back to fenway, wow.

by SCHalo on Oct 5, 2007 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen.
Drowning in Negativity around here.
Chart it up! Game on!

by scottnak on Oct 5, 2007 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

I like this story, but it will sit better ...
after we are hoisting the WS trophy on All Saint's Day!
Quit yer whinin' and START CHEERING!

by Downing Rules on Oct 5, 2007 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

im clam
because im checked out until next year.  we are not winning this series

by UCIHalo on Oct 5, 2007 11:00 PM PDT reply actions  

don't clam up now...
at least 1 more game left.
Quit yer whinin' and START CHEERING!

by Downing Rules on Oct 5, 2007 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Sciocia's club hasn't checked out.
i'm not either until the last out has been made.

by rbrianc on Oct 7, 2007 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

The best thing about "tomorrow"
is that the Angels can't possibly lose!
Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Oct 5, 2007 11:07 PM PDT reply actions  

panther!
Quit yer whinin' and START CHEERING!

by Downing Rules on Oct 5, 2007 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

It did seem...
a little strange that Vladi stayed in the game, and then in the field, only to be removed in the bottom of the eighth.  

I certainly hope he didn't leave the game out of frustration (from being hit or from sucking in the postseason).  But, as I stated in another thread, if he had to leave tonight's game due to a "contusion," I doubt he'll be ready by Sunday.  The best that injury was going to feel was tonight, with the adrenaline flowing and the significance heavy.

I played with and against pitchers who would drill you for looking at them the wrong way.  I once played on a team where one of our pitchers hit an opposing player because that player had robbed our star player of a hit, with a great play, in front of many ML scouts.  Despite what many think, hitting batters is an important, and ever-present, part of baseball, and it's among the greatest possible chemistry builders.  The team that doesn't participate only shows weakness, and professionals thrive by taking advantage of both weaknesses and mistakes.

I find it ironic, really, that a team built around playing the game "the right way" is so lacking in this vital area of the game.  

And I think you're right, Shields could've, and maybe should've, gone after Ortiz tonight.  Unfortunately, I think it takes all of Scot's effort just to get the ball near the plate; I don't think that his head's on right at the moment.

As much as I understand Vlad's frustration (or, more appropriately, try to) I can't accept the fact that he would leave the game out of frustration over a lack of retaliation.  I have to believe he really was hurt (I'm guessing that caught some shoulder blade).  If, however, he did leave the game because Shields/the rest of the bullpen, didn't retaliate, then there are two main concerns:  1) is that kind of bad chemistry reparable in the short term? 2) will Scisoscia recognize the situation for what it is and change his strategy?  It is, afterall, Vlad's team.

I'd go after Ortiz's knees ALL DAY LONG Sunday. If you're going to walk him FOUR TIMES, you may as well mix it up some. I think Weaver might be just the guy to do it too.  He appears, sometimes, to get it.  

And I'm just old-school enough to say that if Ortiz doesn't get his knees taken out Sunday, then the Angels don't stand a chance of winning.  Yes, I think it's reached that level.  

Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Oct 5, 2007 11:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Hold your horses!
"Vlad would leave the game out of frustration over a lack of retaliation"

No way Jose.  Whoever started that illogic is closer to one third my age (55) than one half.  That is very sophomoric.  I grade it an "F."  Vlad left the game because he was hurt.  Period.

by Yetijuice on Oct 6, 2007 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hold on here just a second Yetijuice
I speculated in my diary above ( and I was very careful to say this was speculation ) that perhaps more was going on with Vlad.

Part of what seemed strange or would seem to be consistent with this level of frustration would be

1)Vlad stayed in the game for quite a long time before apparently taking himself out of the game. If he was seriously injured why wait?

2)The TV broadcast showed Vlad in the outfield immediately following his beaning and he DID NOT look happy. This as you know is unusual for the almost always carefree Vladdy.

3) There is a history with Vlad and the Red Sox. His missed time earlier this season after being intentionally beaned by Becket ( go ahead and challenge me on this one Yetijuice, cause I'm waiting for you !!)

4)Looking at the replay of the beaning, Vlad appeared to be hit in the fleshy part of the upper arm. It is hard to imagine that a contusion (if indeed that is what it was)would keep a competitor like Vlad out of the BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR.

As Retire4 has stated, if indeed it was accidental, this kind of play definitely warrants a response, which was not forthcoming.

All in all, I hardly think my "speculation" is either sophomoric or worthy of an "F". Without being able to get inside Vlad's head, at the very least I think it fair to say that Vlad must have been thinking about all this. And even though it is more probable that he left due to the injury flaring up or swelling, I don't think it can be denied that there continues to be frustration on the part of our hitters with regards to a lack of protection.  

by Jack Frost on Oct 6, 2007 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

By the way
I am closer to 2/3 your age than half your age.

by Jack Frost on Oct 6, 2007 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

3/4
But Yeti was right on - there is jsut no way Vlad was "fed up" - that is psychological transference of a fan being fed up and insisting a player feels that way.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 6, 2007 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I won't deny being "fed up"
with the Angels laying down and failing to respond. But I also don't know how you can support the claim that Vlad himself is not also fed up. Just look at his body language and that tells you everything you need to know Rev.

To write off my analysis as mere transference is amateurish and definitely an over simplification of a complex and ongoing situation. I would expect a little bit more insightfulness from you Rev.

Have you not been watching Vlad's response to being hit so frequently? If a picture is worth a thousand words Vlad's facial expression last night said it all (both immediately after being hit and in the outfield in the bottom half of the 7th.)

But I guess you're just going to disregard all this and say all these beanings are simply accidental and due to Angels hitters crowding the plate; absolute horseshit....    

by Jack Frost on Oct 6, 2007 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

No F Bomb Here!
I called Retire4 a Sophomore, not a Freshman.

by Yetijuice on Oct 6, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only sophomoric
activity I see around here is a 55-year old provocateur.  Give it a rest, dude, seriously.

You're a nitpicking know-nothing and you make that readily apparent nearly each time you post.

Now, please post some more about your friends in Punjab (and, no, I'm not talking about Coach Sedoo), or wherever, since you seem to find yourself so clever and entertaining.

When was the last time you offered this site anything constructive, entertaining, or insightful?  All I see from you is agitating, nitpicking, and you're own unique brand of (psuedo) intellectual masturbation.    

Check yourself. You're a tool.  

Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

And sorry, in advance,
for the grammatical error.  I know how it will unnerve you.
Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not cool...
I don't know yeti personally, but he offers a lot of historical reference, and I enjoy his posts.

Maybe I am a tool, too.

Your comments were uncalled for and you owe yeti an apology if you are lucky enough for him to accept it.

Quit yer whinin' and START CHEERING!

by Downing Rules on Oct 6, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I apologize to you
if I've offended you. And I certainly don't think you're a tool. But Yeti nitpicks the shit out of me every time I post and I'm done with it.  I'm happy to engage in dialogue but the guy has chosen to nitpick and misquote and it's gotten old quite quickly.

I've lurked at this site since inception, only recently deciding to start contributing/posting.  I don't mind if the guy disagrees, I think that's a big part of what makes this site cool.  But smug, condescending diatribes like he's offered me so far are rankling because they're disrespectful and off-topic.  So, in turn, I've offered my opinion.

I only ask that people take the same tone with me here that they would in person.  So far, Yeti alone has chosen not to do that. I've simply chosen to voice my opinion.

Again, downingrules, I mean no offense to you or anyone else.  I'm new here, to an extent, I realize, but respect isn't too much to ask for.  All others have given it in spades.  

Ironically, the lone voice of agitation has come from the person calling me (and Jack Frost) "sophomoric."  

Just calling it like I see it, as they say.

Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jack Frost,
This was actually my response to your diary; I'm not quite sure how it ended up here.
Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Denial is a river in Africa
"It did seem...
a little strange that Vladi stayed in the game, and then in the field, only to be removed in the bottom of the eighth."

Vlad was a gamer who tried to remain in the game.  There was nothing strange about Guerrero leaving the game half an hour after being hit by a pitch.  I have seen that happen in games before.  It would have been strange if Vlad left the game without being hit and with no apparent injury.    

Yes, there is a history of beanings in Angel vs Red Sox games.  What happened first the chicken or the egg?  Yes indeed Vladimir was hit by Josh Beckett in April 2007.  Take a time machine back to August 1967 when Jack Hamilton beaned Tony Conigliaro.  In six years of play before that there were several other Angels and Red Sox hit by pitches.

I expect that there will be some inside pitches tomorrow that will brush a Red Sox or three back or make him hit the dirt.  Perchance one Bostonian might get hit.  The Angels want to have plausible deniability.  Mike Scioscia is conducting a disinformation campaign.  When and if it happens we want to keep the benefit of doubt that the pitch accidently got away.  I am a believer of what goes around comes around.  Stay tuned!

by Yetijuice on Oct 6, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

This post was misplaced...
it was supposed to be a response to Jack Frost's diary.  

I've got too much respect for Vlad to believe that he left the game out of frustration, but it is an interesting idea given the circumstances.

Why didn't Shields go after Ortiz (instead of pitching around him with two out and nobody on)?

If ever there was a time for Vlad to be frustrated, that was it.

Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Please see below...
and please quote me more accurately.
Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or above I guess...
Why Isn't 4 On The Wall?

by Retire4 on Oct 6, 2007 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice post...
so, yer basically saying we are going to be the AL equivalent of the Atlanta Braves?  Win the West every year, but maybe not do so well in the playoffs?

I'd almost be content with that... but a few more WS flags would be nice.

MS-Society HERE to read more about it, and donate some money!

by sipperphoto on Oct 6, 2007 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

and you guys are missing one little point
if ANY of our pitchers goes the retaliatory route, they risk getting ejected & suspended. Quite frankly, our pitchers need all the help they can get right now and we can't afford to lose anyone right now.

by ladybug on Oct 6, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

oh no!
dustin moseley getting ejected?!

but who will replace him?!

put in a position player. hit ortiz. done.

East coast bias

by Carl Johnson on Oct 6, 2007 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

THE FUTURE
Looks bright and the present is quite dark....but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Can we reach the light?

I say we have a shot!!!!

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Oct 6, 2007 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

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