Halos Heaven: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:

Around SBN: Want to help build SB Nation? We're hiring! Bar-right-arrows

OC to the White Sox for Garland

Tiny by riktermiller on

The BIG TRADE is confirmed.

The first step before a big Thanksgiving announcement?

Update: Cabrera 2008 salary = $9Million, Garland = $12 Million. Both are in their walk year.

This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan and may or may not be a reflection of human evolution, divine enlightenment or nine cans into a 12-pack.

0 recs | Comment 179 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

oh my god
i just saw that.

WOW is all i have to say. who is playing short stop for us??????

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 19, 2007 9:26 AM PST   0 recs

I'll be the first to say it
Fire Reagins
Get rid of Quinlan

by edhoo on Nov 19, 2007 9:27 AM PST   0 recs

no way!!!
this must mean a Tejada deal is in play.  i don't mind getting Garland but to trade OC?  wow!!!!

by SCHalo on Nov 19, 2007 9:32 AM PST   0 recs

Holy Crap
I cannot assert an opinion on this because I am still trying to wrap my head around what just happened.  I pray this is not an buildup to a Tejada deal...
Wherever Red Sox Nation is, I just wish Bush would invade it.

by agermer on Nov 19, 2007 9:36 AM PST   0 recs

Something else has to be in the works...
Why else would the Angels trade for a pitcher? They'll have to start Garland, meaning...

Lackey
Escobar
Weaver
Santana
Saunders
Garland

Probably one of Saunders or Santana will go, unless they make Santana a reliever.

Maybe Wood will take over at SS now.

by Angels on Nov 19, 2007 9:38 AM PST   0 recs

T
Reagins.
© 2008 Cervecería Nacional Dominicana C. por A. Todos los derechos reservados.

by Bilko 420 on Nov 19, 2007 9:39 AM PST   0 recs

yikes
so i think the most obvious conclusion would be that we're trading Ervin either for tejada or including him for Miguel cabrera?

well here it is guys. looks like the team could have decided to keep howie, wood and adenhart and go with tejada instead.

This is still crazy. does anyone think we have any intention on extending garland? both these guys were contract year players.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 19, 2007 9:40 AM PST   0 recs

Best 4th starter in baseball
That's going to be a good rotation we have....

by mattwelch on Nov 19, 2007 9:45 AM PST   0 recs

Exactly, Matt
The Angels now have an embarrassment of good pitching, meaning a deal is in the works for someone else.  One of our young starters is gone.  I don't think Tejada's in play and think we'll snare Cabrera.  With the trade we lose OCs offense and maybe a little defense--but not much.

Our young infielders are good defensively and with regular playing time who nows how they can develop offensvely.

Its mind boggling but also very exciting.  The Stoneman era is over.

by SactoFan on Nov 19, 2007 10:25 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

"....maybe a little defense."
What are you talking about Sacto?  Cabrera is a Gold Glove winner,one of the two or three best defensive shortstops in the game and OUR best defensive player.

On the surface this trade makes no sense whatsoever.

If we're trying to clear space for Tejada or even let Wood step in at short we need to at least get  equal value for Cabrera, and I'm sorry, but Jon Garland is not equal value. And besides, we don't need starting pitching !

This might make sense if, and only if we land Tejada.    

Right now this looks quite bad.  

by Jack Frost on Nov 19, 2007 12:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Au Contraire
It makes perfect sense.

Current Angels capable of playing SS: Izturis, Aybar, Figgins & Wood, with Sean Rodriguez presumably at SLC.  There is more quality depth at this position than anywhere else.

OC is gone after 2008, with only a draft pick (at best) as compensation (and that's only if they offered him arbitration).

Instead, they got a capable starting pitcher (there is NEVER too much pitching depth)  What happens if Santana doesn't get straightened out?  What happens if Escobar's elbow gets sore again, or if his knee is balky?  What if WTY has some tendinitis again & has to miss time in April?  Adenhart is the only starter in the minors who would figure to be able to contribute in 2008, and that's questionable.  He's also tradebait.

No, dealing from a position of strength makes perfect sense.

If Garland goes at the end of the year, they wind up with probably a similar draft pick.  Cabrera is probably not going to hit .300 in 2008; more likely he's around his career average of .273, and Ztu probably comes close to matching that, with no real dropoff in fielding.

by jjackflash on Nov 19, 2007 1:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly
No trade is without risk, but this one makes sense.  It also should excite people because, if nothing else, it signals a new era where our front office does not sit on its hands.  No way this is the end to this offseason.

by DChalofan on Nov 19, 2007 2:02 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

didn't see this coming...
it's gotta be santana for tejada next.

by thejd on Nov 19, 2007 9:54 AM PST   0 recs

If that's true...
Then we would be downgrading the team and at a high price.

Tejada has two years and $26 million left on his contract.  Plus, his hitting ability is declining and he's not nearly as good as O.C. defensively.

Garland, by the way, just isn't all that good.  His best skill: staying healthy.  How about this: his #1 comparable on Baseball Prospectus is Jeff Weaver.  Ha!  That would suck.

by Dogman on Nov 19, 2007 10:10 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Fare thee well, 'Lando
Sad to see you go.  Tell Ersty we said what up.
We'll be fine.

by ReggieBullits on Nov 19, 2007 9:58 AM PST   0 recs

Are you guys sure...
That this isn't step one in a long series of steps.  

Maybe this is a hunt to get both Miguel Tejada and M-Cab.

<img src="http://frame.revver.com/frame/120x90/348027.jpg">

by Jay Cal on Nov 19, 2007 10:00 AM PST   0 recs

Yep
My thoughts exactly. ;)

by Angels on Nov 19, 2007 10:02 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I hope there's more coming ...
Because we just traded the best defensive SS in the league and the leader in our clubhouse for a No. 4 starter who won 10 games and lost 13.
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"

by Grichfan on Nov 19, 2007 10:00 AM PST   0 recs

Give me a break
Thats a about the lamest argument I've heard against Garland.  The White Sox lost 90 games last year.  Garland hardly got any run support and he still went 10-13.

This guy has pitched 208 or more innings every season for the past 4 years with 7 complete games.  He takes pressure off the bullpen and gives us the best fourth starter in baseball.  We don't have to play musical chairs with Ervin Santana going back and forth to AAA.

by akathelorax on Nov 19, 2007 11:21 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.
Would you say MySpace was a bad pitcher in 2006?  Because he went 11-14.

Not his fault, he got zero run support.

Haven't checked Garland's stats, but I suspect it was something similar, given the horrendous record the ChiSox had this year.

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Nov 19, 2007 3:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

if the next move is santana for tejada...
i think reagins did a great job for the following reasons: 1. garland is a better pitcher than santana 2. we might be able to re-sign garland to an extension because he's a socal kid 3. we don't have to give howie away 3. tejada can play short next year (not as good defensively) as oc and play the position wood isn't ready for in 2009 4. this does improve our offense 5. howie bats 2nd 6. keep figgy around to play 3rd or supersub. 7. we have so much depth in the middle infield and somebody had to go and it might as well be an expiring contract. 8. oc will fit in w/the whitesox, he's guillen's ttpe of player. 9. tejada's contract isn't an albatros contract that could haunt us for years.

by thejd on Nov 19, 2007 10:06 AM PST   0 recs

only 9 points?
:)  Good post!
Quit yer whinin' and START CHEERING!

by Downing Rules on Nov 19, 2007 2:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

good trade!!
this gives us more wiggle room in pitching for a trade imo and garland is probably better then any free agent out there.  i wouldve puked to see the halos sign someone like silva to a multiyear deal.  

although i love OC he is on the decline (hes 33) his leadership will be missed but we'll survive.. we got enough veterans on this team and a great manager.

i think we'll survive defensively.. wood, aybar, izturis aint that much of a downgrade. offensively imagine putting kotchman or kendrick in OC's spot in the lineup where vlad is the only legitimate power threat. the #2 spot was golden and OC took advantage for the last 2 years and hit slightly above team avg.  watch as he bats .250 with the sox

by stezo on Nov 19, 2007 10:08 AM PST   0 recs

OC on the Decline?
I don't see OC as being on the decline--he had one of his best seasons ever this past year. What I do believe, however, is that this might be a case of it being better to get rid of a player one year too soon than one year too late.

by MurrietaMick on Nov 19, 2007 10:18 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

If we get both Miguels
I'd like to see the Angels move Vlad into the Number 2 Position.  And then have the Miguels bat behind him.
<img src="http://frame.revver.com/frame/120x90/348027.jpg">

by Jay Cal on Nov 19, 2007 10:10 AM PST   0 recs

Missus Halofan is PISSED
OC, I never knew she cared...

by Rev Halofan on Nov 19, 2007 10:11 AM PST   0 recs

I'm right there with her
Heart and soul of our clubhouse (along with Lackey).

by Ty Webb on Nov 19, 2007 10:18 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Now who is going to
race Vladdie after Halo victories untucking his jersey?

We in Hawaii will miss Cabfare. He was a joy, and inspiration to  WATCH.

by eyespy on Nov 19, 2007 6:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

My friend the Champs Manager is pissed too...
Unless the Angels sign M-Cab and he starts using their number.

Then all will be right in the world for him.

<img src="http://frame.revver.com/frame/120x90/348027.jpg">

by Jay Cal on Nov 19, 2007 10:23 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

OC to Chi-town
Orlando Cabrera just had the best overall season an Angel shortstop has ever had.  I accept that Orlando's offensive stats were helped by having Vladimir Guerrero hit behind him both in Montreal and Anaheim.  Was Vladimir consulted before this trade was made?  I would have kept Orlando for at least one more season.

I find it interesting that Orlando was traded for the one pitcher he hit a post season home run off of.  In the 9 post season games I saw Orlando Cabrera play he had 7 rbis:

  1.  2004 ALDS Game 2:  9th inning 3 rbi double off of Brendan Donnelly to up a 5-3 Bosox lead to 8-3
  2.  2005 ALDS Game 2:  7th inning GWH 2 rbi single off Chien-Ming Wang breaks a 2-2 tie in 5-3 Halo victory over the Yanks
  3.  2005 ALCS Game 3:  6th inning 2 rbi home run off Jon Garland to spoil a shutout in 5-2 Chisox win
I would still take Ervin Santana over Jon Garland.  With 20-20 hindsight for seasons past, Santana sports a 20-4 record at games I have been to whereas Garland is only 2-2.  I know it is dangerous to apply Kurt Vonnegut time era jumping around past to recent past to future to distant past to present and so it goes.  Ice Nine has nothing to do with baseball!

Miguel Tejada is a doubleplay machine at the plate.  Five times Tejada has grounded into more than 20 doubleplays in a season.  Three times he has grounded into 24 or more doubleplays in a season.  I would not have traded Orlando Cabrera for Miguel Tejada even up.

The Miguel I like is Miguel Cabrera.  I preferred to have two Cabreras (Orlando and Miguel) in the line-up than two Miguels (Cabrera and Tejada).  If the Angels have two Miguels in their 2008 line-up San Miguel should be the best selling cervaza at the Big A!  So Miguel Cabrera has gained weight.  At a young age weight is like gravity-- what goes up can go down.  MC's defense at third base deteriorated in 2007.  If Aramis Ramirez could improve his defense at third base it is fair to say Miguel Cabrera might also be able to.  If the Angels trade for MC they might only to keep him for two years.  For two years I would trade for him.  For one year I would not.

The Orlando Cabrera for Jon Garland trade is just one piece of the jigsaw puzzle.  Let's wait and see what other trades or signings Tony Reagins can cook up.  For the most part I want the Angels to stand pat in the trade market.  A trade for one big bat to hit behind Vladimir is all we need.  This OC for JG swap was not the trade I was expecting.    

by Yetijuice on Nov 19, 2007 11:36 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Starts with "F," ends in "I"
Orlando Cabrera just had the best overall season an Angel shortstop has ever had.

Sure, except for Jim Fregosi in 1970, 1967, 1964, 1966 & 1969!

by mattwelch on Nov 19, 2007 1:37 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

i stopped reading after that first sentence
there was once this guy who wore #11 that was as fine a SS in the AL as there was for most of a decade in the 1960's, and yes, he played in SO Cal.

by rbrianc on Nov 19, 2007 11:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

interesting
Not sure how I feel on this. I never complain about adding pitching, but I did like Orlando a lot.
East coast bias

by Carl Johnson on Nov 19, 2007 10:13 AM PST   0 recs

my thoughts ae the same
i may be in the minority but our SP isn't good enough still to win it all.

it's a good staff, but i remember how well our Big 3 did in the last 3 games of 2007.

lots of various SS options so that's up in the air how it turns out. but OC will be missed.

by rbrianc on Nov 19, 2007 10:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

garland had a bad year on a bad...
team. if you look at his stats, his e.r.a was better in 07 than in 08 but his wins went down from 18 to 10. if santana is part of the deal (watch it might be saunders) he had a bad year on a good team.

by thejd on Nov 19, 2007 10:13 AM PST   0 recs

Tejada IS coming
I agree with theJD on this. This opens the door for Tejada to come in and play short. Probably means you lose Santana and/or Saunders. Unlike some of you, I think he'll be fired up coming to a team that has something to play for and provide legitimate protection for Vlad.

Still doesn't solve 3rd base, unless Reagins can pull a rabbit out of his a** without trading Howie.

Then again, we may be staring down the barrel of D-Mac at 3rd and pray his back doesn't snap in half.

by Chris Knapps Sac on Nov 19, 2007 10:13 AM PST   0 recs

can any
of the stat-heads here maybe find some numbers for garland at the big A? is that even possible?

im curious to see if maybe hes got great numbers here(kinda like freddy garcia did).

either way, i dont mind it. OC was gone after this year anyway and Garland, although unspectacular is more consistent than Ervin. His ceiling obviously isnt as high, but his floor cant be much lower.

plus hes from southern california. maybe hell pitch better on the west coast in a nice pitchers park at home.

i like it!

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 19, 2007 10:16 AM PST   0 recs

Garland at the Big A
2-4
4.94 ERA
47.1 IP
56 H
17 BB
16 K

Not impressively at all.  He did have an great start here in the 2005 ALCS I believe.

by swiss mcgee on Nov 19, 2007 10:23 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yes, but
he won't be facing the team that put up these numbers against him.  They're kind of meaningless.
Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Nov 19, 2007 10:55 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I agree
pretty irrelevant, but it would indicate some degree of comfort in the environment

by swiss mcgee on Nov 19, 2007 1:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

stats were not good
but its a pretty small sample size

Stats are at Angel Stadium:
47.1 innings
8 starts
4.94 ERA
2 Wins 4 Losses

From Yahoo! Sports

by hathaway93 on Nov 19, 2007 10:24 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

let's see here..
we just traded away our Gold Glove shortstop who was the heart and soul of our club last year (imo) and most consistent offensive performer (imo) PLUS cash for Judy Garland?

no sir, I don't like it.

sure, we MAY get MiggyT, but I think OC's impact on the club was pretty LARGE...

by gdog009 on Nov 19, 2007 10:19 AM PST   0 recs

who's going to take over
as the garden grove nissan spokesman? :(

by Of Angels and Angles on Nov 19, 2007 10:21 AM PST   0 recs

Goodbye OC...
You will be missed...

by Sweetmeats on Nov 19, 2007 10:21 AM PST   0 recs

Anyone else worried
That Scioscia's love affair with Aybar is going to be taken to a whole new level?
Get rid of Quinlan

by edhoo on Nov 19, 2007 10:22 AM PST   0 recs

oh god no
East coast bias

by Carl Johnson on Nov 19, 2007 10:27 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yes
I third that scary thought.  Figgins is a natural shortstop and would be a much better temporary fill in if need be.
Wherever Red Sox Nation is, I just wish Bush would invade it.

by agermer on Nov 19, 2007 11:01 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

A.B.A.
Someone threw out that acronym earlier in the year and I tend to agree with it...

A nybody
B ut
A ybar

Wanted: Any position player with power

by gorams77 on Nov 20, 2007 2:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Miguel
x
© 2008 Cervecería Nacional Dominicana C. por A. Todos los derechos reservados.

by Bilko 420 on Nov 19, 2007 10:22 AM PST   0 recs

Definitely the start of the something...
this the first deal of many and hopefully it will all fall into place in the next few weeks...I'll miss OC, but hey, baseball is a business right?
I hate the Red Sox...

by Crapper John MD on Nov 19, 2007 10:22 AM PST   0 recs

I just looked at Garland's stats and it doesn't
look good. -

Here's a guy who have 2 good season in his whole career.

The only good thing about him is that eats innings. He's barely .500, doesn't strike out a lot of guys, allows almost a hit an inning and has a high ERA in a supposed pitcher's park...

Doesn't bode well

"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"

by Grichfan on Nov 19, 2007 10:25 AM PST   0 recs

Um
Chicago plays in a hitters park
Lowell? Really?

by hauldog on Nov 19, 2007 10:31 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

actually...
Garland has an average ERA in a hitters park. Where are you getting your info? I think you can expect to see his numbers get a bit better in Anaheim. OC is a good player, but to be quite honest, he is overrated, gold glove or not. He is coming off a career year and this will be his walk year. If this leads to plugging Wood in at short and trading for a third basemen I'm all for it.

by dmhead on Nov 19, 2007 10:34 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

ERA+s of 128, 105, 112 = "good"
Especially for a guy who's averaged 214 IP the past four years. He's never had a bad season, and he munches innings.

by mattwelch on Nov 19, 2007 10:51 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

This is a lot to process
Not the trade I expected - wasn't even considering a package that involved Cabrera.  His leadership will be missed, but I agree with others that he was at his peak value (he peaked offensively in the first half and, hopefully, we can replace his glove).

Garland does not get me terribly excited, but he is much more reliable than either Saunders or Santana.  Our top 4 is now very impressive and we will have an exceptional rotation even if we trade Santana or Saunders.  I do not think we could have made a deal without adding a starter ... so given our depth at shortstop this was probably our best option.

by DChalofan on Nov 19, 2007 10:40 AM PST   0 recs

ughhh
this move is garbage unless tejada or fattycabby gets here. im really not comfortable swapping out gold glove leader for a hyped rookie in wood.

by babba55 on Nov 19, 2007 10:41 AM PST   0 recs

Eckstein is available
maybe its him

by rbrianc on Nov 19, 2007 10:48 AM PST   0 recs

haha
whats funny is that if we for some reason we traded howie, i would go so hard after eck to play 2nd base. thatd almost soften the blow.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 19, 2007 10:58 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

My girlfriend is still in love
with the X-Factor.

This is the first thing she said when she heard Cabrera was leaving.

by Higz on Nov 19, 2007 11:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

My Bad
Just looked it up and US Celluar ranked 9 or 10 for the past 6 years.

A possible plus for Garland is that his history kind of mirrors a guy by the name of Kelvim Escobar when the Angels signed him. Unfortunately, his pitching coach won't be Bud Black.

As for OC being overrated, I don't understand that line of thinking. He's always been one of the best fielders in the game and he's always been good at getting on base and scoring runs.

Sure the batting average was outstanding - but listening to what changes he made - and seeing what he was doing when he went into a slight tailspin near the end of the season showed me that it wasn't a fluke.

(He said that he stopped trying to hit the ball as hard as he could every swing. When he went into his mini-slump, he looked as though he went back into that mode of trying to kill the ball all the time.)

I also don't understand this love affair with Wood. Sure, he kills in AAA. But to me it looks like he's in the line of D-Mac and Mathis, who tore it up in AAA and strike out a lot in The Show.

Hopefully, trading OC is the first step in getting an established bat in the lineup because OC's 101 RS will be missed.  

"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"

by Grichfan on Nov 19, 2007 10:53 AM PST   0 recs

Not good at getting on base
Lifetime OBP: .321
Number of years with higher OBP than league: 1

by mattwelch on Nov 19, 2007 10:56 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Not sure where you're getting your info but...
...OC's career OBP is .321 (not good)

by Angels on Nov 19, 2007 10:57 AM PST   0 recs

OBP
I read somewhere that a .321 OBP for shortstops is good.  Let the numbers speak---uh, I'm too lazy to look it up.  Anyone?  

by SactoFan on Nov 19, 2007 11:03 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Worried...
...because of OC's leadership abilities as much as anything.

I guess we'll have to see.  We're not used to seeing this kind of shake-up, which is probably why all the nervous nellies (like me) are out!

by HuntKop on Nov 19, 2007 10:59 AM PST   0 recs

Bad Trade
The White Sox got the better end of this deal for sure.  Its M-Cab or bust now.
legen... wait for it... dary

by thebigA on Nov 19, 2007 11:00 AM PST   0 recs

Thanks
for the correction.
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"

by Grichfan on Nov 19, 2007 11:00 AM PST   0 recs

I will miss OC
for his defense, being a good clubhouse guy and leader for the yourger Latin players, moving runners over, good baserunning, and solid #2 hitter.

Thank you for your service OC, you will be missed.

It is way overdue Arte. #5 needs to be retired by the Angels.

by BrianDowningFan on Nov 19, 2007 11:04 AM PST   0 recs

SWEET!
I already have Garlands autograph, so I won't have to try to get it to add to my Angels collection!

by Calangels on Nov 19, 2007 11:05 AM PST   0 recs

what if
we're spinning Garland off to another team, say the O's or the Marlins? Is he too expensive for Florida?

Also, I think it's funny that we Halo fans seem to have such hardons for our SS's. First it was DiSarcina, then Eck, now OC. I remember the uproar over Eck's departure and the signing of OC. It's like the Dodgers with LoDuca. All these guys are "heart and soul" guys with debatable skills (less so with OC, granted; he's got mad skills).

by Chris Knapps Sac on Nov 19, 2007 11:08 AM PST   0 recs

Count me out on that one ....
I thought DiSar was overrated - The guy had 1 good year.

Eckstein was a "gritty" little guy who played hard, but I always thought OC was an upgrade at SS.

Of course I like Foli and hated Schofield.

"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"

by Grichfan on Nov 19, 2007 11:20 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

What about
Burleson before he got hurt?

by SactoFan on Nov 19, 2007 11:41 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Burly kicked ass prior to the rotator cuff...
Almost made my screen name "Burlyrules" that's how much I loved Burlson.
Quit yer whinin' and START CHEERING!

by Downing Rules on Nov 19, 2007 2:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hoping
That this turns into a Miguel Cabrera trade, with Santana replacing Kendrick in the Wood + Adenhart package....

by mattwelch on Nov 19, 2007 11:13 AM PST   0 recs

+1

by Ty Webb on Nov 19, 2007 12:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That would be incredible.
Figgins to SS would be nice....

by DChalofan on Nov 19, 2007 2:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Worst Case Scenario
No additional moves, and hopefully Maicer takes over at short.  He'll only be 27, and has a lot more offensive potential than Cabrera going forward.  He's serviceable defensively.  

So basically, even if they don't make another deal, they lose almost nothing, and gain Garland.  I like OC, and he was a great guy to have on the team, but without question, this deal makes the Angels better right now.

by LA Seitz on Nov 19, 2007 11:24 AM PST   0 recs

Well Seitz.......
I love Maicer too, problem is, he's never produced over a full season as an everyday player. I'd like to believe that he can and will, but it is nonetheless a gamble.

With O-Cab you know what you're going to get, great defense, great offense and leadership. AND a guy that goes out there almost every single day and plays hard. Tough things to replace.

I am of the school that says we need to do everything we can to win a championship NOW, while Vlad is still in his prime years -- getting rid of Cabrera for Garland is not helping us win it all next year unless there a very significant dominos still to fall (ala Tejada or other big bat).  

by Jack Frost on Nov 19, 2007 2:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs