Adenhart is the sticking point...

Lets Go!!

Pull the trigger make the trade.

by Angel Aviator on Nov 24, 2007 11:36 AM PST reply actions

If Adenhart is seriously the sticking point

pull the trigger. I love his potential, but that's all it is right now. Miggy is the real thing, and makes the Angels an instant favorite to beat anyone in my mind.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 24, 2007 11:36 AM PST reply actions

no Kendrick !!!!!!!

why not Rivera and Figgins

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Nov 24, 2007 11:40 AM PST reply actions

Arbitration and Service Time

Um.........

by hauldog on Nov 24, 2007 11:42 AM PST up reply actions

My point

I say include Adenhart. I could live with Wood at SS and I think the team could carry him while he figures it out if you have guys like

GMJ LF/RF
Hunter CF
Vlad DH/OF
GA DH/OF
Cabrera 3B
Wood SS
Figgy 2B
Kotch 1B
Napoli C

Bench: Starting Pitch: Pen:
Izturis Escobar Bootcheck
Rivera Lackey Oliver
Morales Weaver Speier
Catcher Saunders Shields
INF Garland Rodriguez
Santana

by Angel Aviator on Nov 24, 2007 11:55 AM PST reply actions

going to be a monster. No way trade him. His personality is only beginning to shine. He gets alot of interviews and I feel like he is going to be the face of the franchise. I feel too, that Mathis showed a lot of character last season. He could've easily packed his bags and gone home. He too, will be a leader.

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Nov 24, 2007 12:20 PM PST reply actions

I don't believe it

Once again, this is just a writer making things up. The Angels' front office is pretty airtight.

by jjackflash on Nov 24, 2007 12:21 PM PST reply actions

yeah

if ive learned anything over the past week its that the angels office certainly isnt leaking ANYTHING and that anything out there is pure speculation. I wouldnt be surprised if we're not even seriously involved in cabrera talks anymore and the papers are just keeping a story up.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 24, 2007 12:26 PM PST up reply actions

I hope so.

We are totally in the driver's seat. No need to give it away.

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Nov 24, 2007 12:32 PM PST reply actions

bye bye to HK

i like the deal. Get rid of HK, and pick up Iguchi. He is a great 2B, and he can produce power, and i think much more than HK can. With the addition of MCabb and Iguchi, HK and all the others can go.

by Philly Angels Fan on Nov 24, 2007 12:35 PM PST reply actions

Iguchi?

Figgins will do just fine

Um.........

by hauldog on Nov 24, 2007 12:41 PM PST up reply actions

Indeed

Unless you are planning on plugging him in at SS, Figgy must be assumed the replacement at 2b. And a pretty fine one at that, especially if he is given a full season at ONE posish.

Wherever Red Sox Nation is, I just wish Bush would invade it. President: Miggy C Man-Crush Club

by agermer on Nov 24, 2007 1:31 PM PST up reply actions

I would rather play

Figgy and Izturis rather than a combination of Iguchi and Figgy or Izturis.

Point being I do not see a fit with Iguchi.

Um.........

by hauldog on Nov 24, 2007 1:38 PM PST up reply actions

Tad is the man!

As an angel fan, i know it is always hard to let good talent go in exchange for people we are not sure about. As you can tell, i live in philly, and i have seen iguchi play, and he is better than HK. Have Figgy play SS, and we have got a ring!

by Philly Angels Fan on Nov 24, 2007 9:32 PM PST up reply actions

Another Philly Angels fan concurs

The guy is clutch, he'd be a great signing.

by ghostofwallyjoyner on Nov 25, 2007 4:12 AM PST up reply actions

no

don't trade howie or mathis, i know those are sticking points but they're both going to be tremendous. extraordinarily so.

retire number fifteen.

by rowast on Nov 24, 2007 12:52 PM PST reply actions

ha

go check Cabrera's numbers, then get back to me

some of ya'll are crazy

by The Halowed One on Nov 24, 2007 12:55 PM PST up reply actions

I see how

Cabrera's avg. jumped after his 1000th AB. Howie hasn't even gotten to that point yet. He would only be that much better with Cabrera hitting behind Howie somewhere.

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Nov 24, 2007 1:52 PM PST up reply actions

2010

At the rate Howie stays healthy it will be 2+ yrs before he plates 1000.

by Angel Aviator on Nov 24, 2007 4:51 PM PST up reply actions

It's not

his fault people throw at his hands.

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Nov 24, 2007 4:58 PM PST up reply actions

Up and In

Check the numbers he has never stayed healthy. Not in the minors or majors. I like the guy don't get me wrong. Fact is Cabrera is what you hope Howie will one day be, and it won't ever be with the power.

by Angel Aviator on Nov 24, 2007 9:46 PM PST up reply actions

If they are going to be tremendous

What does that make M Cab currently?

Um.........

by hauldog on Nov 24, 2007 12:55 PM PST up reply actions

Orgasmic...

... or maybe just off the charts. Unbelievable. Absurdly Good. A once-in-ten-years talent.

Wherever Red Sox Nation is, I just wish Bush would invade it. President: Miggy C Man-Crush Club

by agermer on Nov 24, 2007 1:32 PM PST up reply actions

Uhhhh....

FAT?

by thehasegawaexpress on Nov 24, 2007 1:57 PM PST up reply actions

I see

Well he has been working out in Venezuela with a trainer for a month.

Um.........

by hauldog on Nov 24, 2007 2:10 PM PST up reply actions

That's a start...

but to me it still wreaks of Lindsey Lohan going to one of those stop and spa/rehabs on the Sunset Strip.

I still do NOT give up Kendrick. He's no longer a prospect. He's now somewhat proven.

Even IF (big if) we get weight clauses thrown into his new contract, we still don't get Kendrick back when Fatty doesn't make the weight.

At least with Tejada, you don't have any of the same worries that you get with Cabrera. His only concern is mileage.

by thehasegawaexpress on Nov 24, 2007 2:29 PM PST up reply actions

mielage and steroids

Do not fool yourself into think he will be cheap. It is not a money dump.

Um.........

by hauldog on Nov 24, 2007 3:44 PM PST up reply actions

Being the senior member of your team at 24

Is not easy.

He is young & has maturity issues but watching your entire team get traded away while going form Champions to last place is not easy I would imagine.

Um.........

by hauldog on Nov 24, 2007 3:46 PM PST up reply actions

You are Right

With Tejada, you have NONE of the same worries. Tejada really has no upside and would only be a temporary fix for a problem that needs a long term solution.

With M-Cab you have three worries (with three answers):

1.) Defense (not a great 3b, but certainly worthy of the spot until he can move to the outfield).

2.) Signability (you better believe Arte will pay to keep him here long term if we get him... it would be a joke if otherwise).

3.) Weight (pretty sure exercise and a revitalized work ethic from playing for a legitimate contender in front of more than 700 fans would do the trick).

My point is that you are putting way more emphasis on his weight than necessary. I would be much more concerned with the aging body of a former-roider who is exiting his prime than the extra flab on a baby boy who is destined to enter the history books. One of those things can be fixed. The other is just a matter of time.

Wherever Red Sox Nation is, I just wish Bush would invade it. President: Miggy C Man-Crush Club

by agermer on Nov 24, 2007 6:25 PM PST up reply actions

#1) What makes anyone think

that Cabrera will be able to cover any ground in the outfield just because he no longer has any range at 3rd base? People keep saying that, but the truth is he's got 1st base/dh written all over him.

2) The long term signing is the problem. We're talking about making an obese and immature party-animal the face of the franchise for the next several years. And we'll be losing Kendrick along with at least 2 other top-tier prospects just to get him. If he doesn't pan out the franchise is in the toilet. By the way, good luck getting weight clauses in that contract. If Tejada doesn't pan out, we're only on the hook for 2 years/$26 million.

and #3) I wish I shared your confidence in him all of a sudden growing self-control with food, but IMO, if it was that easy, he never would have ballooned in the first place. He and his agent both knew his weight gain was messing with a likely $150 to $200 million dollar contract. Apparently, that wasn't enough to motivate him. At least he won't be bringing his appetite and metabolism with him if/when he gets here?

by thehasegawaexpress on Nov 25, 2007 3:27 AM PST up reply actions

1) With an outfield of....

Hunter, GMJ and Cabrera... I think we'd be more than OK to have two above average defenders (defensive stats be damned, GMJ and Hunter are above average), and one below average.

As long as he's producing, and he's not beating his wife, I'm OK with this. If you're willing to use Mo Vaughn as his comparable (which I disagree with), then you have 7-8 years until his production suddenly drops off.
I don't think anyone truly buys his recent statements about getting in shape, but at the same time it's better that he is bringing it up than shrugging it off altogether.

Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Nov 25, 2007 11:39 AM PST up reply actions

Cabrera has outfield experience. But...

not at this weight. This is my concern with him. The Mo Vaughn comparison is more about getting a lingering injury than age. Dude came to camp at 260 and only dropped 10 lbs during the season at 23 years old!!!

The weight thing is a giant concern to me. We're committing approximately $200 million AND a ton of our current Grade A prospect pool to a guy that doesn't act like a professional. He's obviously a freak natural talent, but he seems to have no appreciation for it. Are there no personal trainers in MIAMI?

Just don't give up Howie and get weight clauses in the contract, is all I'm saying.

by thehasegawaexpress on Nov 25, 2007 12:11 PM PST up reply actions

Fat AND Orgasmic, just like Rosie O'Donnell!

.... oh, wait, scratch that.

by PieceOfAase on Nov 25, 2007 3:12 AM PST up reply actions

What?

Ok.. I agree that HK could be very, very good some day, but Mathis will be tremendous? What are you smoking?

Pull the trigger! Make the deal! Now!

by marshgr on Nov 24, 2007 7:18 PM PST up reply actions

Howie Kendrick

is going to be the next Howie Kendrick.

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Nov 24, 2007 1:43 PM PST reply actions

Mathis

So let's say we do this deal, and agree to Adenhart. Who becomes our backup catcher? Napoli certainly has question marks, but let's say he can star four days a week. Besides Conger, isn't our catching depth pretty weak in the minors?

I mean, Budde came up, had one game-winning hit, but didn't do anything else. I'm pretty much asking because I've realized I know nothing about our catching depth in the minors. Just curious.

Read my bullshit at http://mvn.com/mlb-source/author/seth.keichline/

by Ty Webb on Nov 24, 2007 2:28 PM PST reply actions

I think Budde would contribute alot more

and improve with more playing time and more at bats.

"We're still in the information-gathering process," Reagins said.

by 44FAN on Nov 24, 2007 2:52 PM PST up reply actions

Are you seriously worrying about who

our backup catcher will be? With the lineup we would have? We could stick Sosh himself out there and win! :) (Just kidding, but really...)

Vladdy + MCab > Manny + Big Papi

by halofan91 on Nov 24, 2007 3:48 PM PST up reply actions

Bobby Wilson

I think that is the answer you're looking for

Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!

by Angel Hawker on Nov 25, 2007 8:19 AM PST up reply actions

I'm just curious, really

Read my bullshit at http://mvn.com/mlb-source/author/seth.keichline/

by Ty Webb on Nov 24, 2007 4:10 PM PST reply actions

?? Headline

Is it just me and all the leftover turkey I've eaten today ... or is that headline just really not making sense?

"Angels' deal could be sign Cabrera is next"

Someone explain it, please.

With win-win-win, we all win!

by lightupthehalo on Nov 24, 2007 8:48 PM PST reply actions

sign

sign like "i saw the sign", not "sign this contract"

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 24, 2007 9:49 PM PST up reply actions

Fuck Ace of Base

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 24, 2007 10:00 PM PST up reply actions

i don't like reagins very much.

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Nov 24, 2007 11:16 PM PST reply actions

That's interesting....

Would you care to expand....it seems like a pretty vague statement. We have yet to see a team play that Reagins has put together...I would wait until April or May to begin making blanket opinions about the new General Manager.

I was a big Stoneman supporter...spoke with him on multiple occasions, and he seemed to have a sound understanding of how to obtain long term success. I've also met Mr. Reagins, and he is a very smart, savvy individual, who will certainly lean on the rest of the Angels braintrust along with Big Mike for all important decisions.

Watch the rest if the offseason play out...

and come talk to me about Mr. Reagins when we win our 2nd world championship this year...unless as a retrohalo...you're just not big on winning...

by UCSBhalo on Nov 25, 2007 1:21 AM PST up reply actions

second world championship

this year, huh? i'll hold you to that and if it doesn't happen, i'll force feed you the crow and still not like reagins.

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Nov 25, 2007 5:28 PM PST up reply actions

Yeah

That was pretty terrible of him to sign this offseason's best free agent (outside of A-Rod, who was never on the market) and to trade from a position of strength to bolster our starting rotation.

by DChalofan on Nov 25, 2007 6:04 AM PST up reply actions

actually, now that you mention it,

it was a pretty terrible signing of him. it's not hard to overpay for a player, i don't think that deserves any particular praise.

a position of strength? you mean shortstop? you mean the position that will not become a glut if wood and hk goes? with no oc, no hk, and no wood, what's our option at ss? aybar? mighty mouse? figgy can't, he has to play second. so what position of strength? you don't mean ss, do you?

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Nov 25, 2007 5:32 PM PST up reply actions

Yes

a glut of capable shortstops: Cabrera, Izturis, Aybar, Figgins, Wood & Sean Rodriguez. Six (count 'em, 6) on the 40-man. When you figure that there are at least eleven different positions (8 fielders, starter, reliever + DH), it's patently ridiculous to have 15% of the roster devoted to one position.

by jjackflash on Nov 25, 2007 7:45 PM PST up reply actions

You are dumb

Your contrarian views are not supportable.

As the poster above already explained, it is a glut to have Cabrera, Izturis, Figgins, Aybar, and Wood all able to play one middle infield position. Your claims about whether we will have a glut after trading Kendrick and Wood are irrelevant -- a) it is not at all clear that will happen and b) even if it does, we still would be able to fill the position with Izturis and Aybar.

As for Hunter, you do not deny that he was the best available free agent. Instead, you claim that we overpaid. When JD Drew, a mediocre outfielder, signs a five-year contract for $14M per season and MLB announces record revenues the following season, you can expect a seven-time gold glove centerfielder who is averaging 30 HR to sign an even more lucrative contract. Do you really believe that we could have signed him for less?

Stupid.

by DChalofan on Nov 26, 2007 5:42 AM PST up reply actions

if reagins doesn't make a move

then i won't like him even more and his trade doesn't make any sense. why trade oc for garland? glut or no glut, oc only had one more year left and woods was at least a year out. rodriguez isn't major league ready, aybar can't hit worth shit, and mighty mouse and figgy are super utility, at best. if nothing happens after this, we swapped a gold glove leader on the field for a more expensive #4 starter. yeah, that was smart.

who the fuck cares if he was the best free agent available? we didn't need another aging outfielder, we already had three. since when did torii hunter average 30 homeruns a year? was it that one time when he did it once?

you're stupid.

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Nov 26, 2007 1:26 PM PST up reply actions

Gotta' Keep Howie

Cabrera could be great. But, he's not as sure a thing as some people are making him out to be. Weight is a big issue. If he currently doesn't have the discipline to control it, I can't see how moving to So. Cal and getting a truck load of money is going to help.

Don't get me wrong I want the Angels to get Cabrera. But, they really need to do all they can to hang onto Howie in the process. They now have a extra amount of pitching and OF help. Hopefully, they can tap into that to get the deal done.

by 10 27 02 on Nov 25, 2007 9:52 AM PST reply actions

Goddamn, am I ever sick

of all the talk about his weight.

Imagine if the Yankees used weight as a reason to not trade for Babe Ruth.

The kid fucking mashes, and there is every single bit as much reason to believe that he really does want to lose the weight ($$$$$$$$$$), as to believe that he will want to keep it on.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 25, 2007 11:12 AM PST reply actions

Yeah, I'm with you on this Casey

Everybody keeps pointing to Mo Vaughn.

If that's so true, then cool, Vaughn dropped off at age 32. That gives us 7 ultra-productive years of Cabrera.

We gotta get this done.

Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Nov 25, 2007 11:41 AM PST up reply actions

D'Angelo

I wouldn't mind seeing this guy beat the shit out of everyone on this site who continues to harp on his weight...

"This winter, I'm really going to work on my physical condition in order to be in the best shape possible for spring training," Cabrera told LasMayores.com. "I've been at it for four weeks now at a gym that specializes in professional athletes, and I'll be there until the spring."

"I'll keep at it in order to get to spring training in the best shape possible, to have the best season possible for the team I end up on," he said.

Hip Hop Hooray

by Bilko 420 on Nov 25, 2007 11:45 AM PST up reply actions

haha thats funny

oh to be 19

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 25, 2007 12:03 PM PST up reply actions

Totally right

If we get Cabrera, it will have been the most remarkable offseason since we signed Vlad. Period.

by DChalofan on Nov 25, 2007 12:15 PM PST up reply actions

Now try adding

80 lbs of photoshop. He literally has no resemblance whatsoever to that photo. In 4 years, while playing a professional sport. 80 lbs. Professional athlete.

by thehasegawaexpress on Nov 26, 2007 1:06 AM PST up reply actions

Those 80 pounds

go along well with the added 52 batting average points, 76 on base percentage points, and 97 on-base percentage he also put on to his numbers.

And I believe it's actually 63 pounds, but who's counting?

Seriously though, the only way I can possibly rationalize people dumping on Cabrera's weight so consistently is just as an overly-defensive mechanism against losing some of our own players in order to get him.

Anyone who thinks this guy isn't a perennial .330/35/120 guy waiting to happen for another MINIMUM of seven or so years is just flat out lying to themselves and everyone else. PERIOD. That's all there is to the matter. Say whatever the fuck you want about him, he's going to produce, and no bitch-tits or man-bras are gonna change that fact.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 26, 2007 1:11 AM PST up reply actions

Sultan of Swat

Babe's weight would have been a huge issue if he was playing today. Players today are at the gym 10+ hours a week year round in addition to eating much much better and building far more muscle. Just watching some highlites recently from the 86 season all the players were sticks.

by MH25 on Nov 25, 2007 2:27 PM PST up reply actions

Some of you guys are too much in love with Howie..

Some of these guys that you guys wanna keep so bad are just potential right now. Cabrera has produced and he is a safer bet. Our team needs a big bat and an opportunity like this arises, its a blessing. Make the deal for Cabrera if the intent is to win rings. The farm system can be rebuilt as long as the scouts do their job.

by vincanity @ Halos Heaven on Nov 25, 2007 1:52 PM PST reply actions