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Trade KRod, Get MCab

First of all, most people are down on Krod these days.  I am one of those.  After the Rivera 3/45 and Cordero 4/46 signings, Krod is going to demand too much money for a closer.  He'll probably be looking for 15+ over 4-5 years or more.  It's obvious Krod cares about the money, because he walked out of an extension with us after the Rivera signing and has repeatedly said he loves pitching in Yankee Stadium.  Shields and Speier are capable of closing, and we can find another quality middle relief pitcher.

So trade Krod to a 3rd team who then trades one or two stud prospect/players to FLA.  This allows us to trade a small piece or two to FLA without losing HK or BWood, or maybe even Adenhart.  Besides, FLA doesn't really need a 2B.

Then we have MCab, HK, and Wood, while only losing Krod, who I believe is very replaceable, as much as I hate to see him go.

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What should we do?
Avoid MCab altogether.
4 votes
Trade for MCab.
34 votes
Use Krod with a 3rd team to land MCab.
46 votes

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You know what...
I actually like this idea.  I've been getting concerned about K-Rod's signability anyway.

Do this, sign Percy to be a 7th inning guy if he'll take it, and let Shields and Speier fight for the closers role.

Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Nov 25, 2007 11:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We could throw in HGH with K-Rod
Then get a couple stud prospects from that team. Then we can give Mathis and Willits to the Marlins along with the prospects from the other team.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Nov 25, 2007 11:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'm one of the few
who still likes the Juicer signing
I messed with Texas!

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 25, 2007 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you
GMJ was a huge addition for us defensively and, despite late-season injuries and constantly being shuffled through the lineup, he hit more home runs on our team than anyone but Vlad.

by DChalofan on Nov 25, 2007 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We'd probably have to throw in prospects
To get anyone to take GMJ's contract off our hands.  Signing Hunter really gives us a lot less leverage to move GMJ in my opinion, and that's if he'll even accept a trade (NTC, remember)?
Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Nov 25, 2007 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too
I love the Percy idea as well.
You'd hate to move Escobar to closer, but he's proven he can dominate there if we need him in an emergency.  This is why the Garland pickup was so key.

by thehasegawaexpress on Nov 25, 2007 11:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't GMJ
have a no trade clause for the first 2 or 3 years?

by thehasegawaexpress on Nov 25, 2007 11:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(Sigh)...
What's wrong with you?

by matt92130 on Nov 25, 2007 1:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rev, can we have a training class on
How to use the reply to this button?  This thread already hurts my brain.
Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Nov 25, 2007 11:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good idea?
To what, the trade K-Rod, get M-Cab idea... or to teaching people what "reply to this" is.

So used to it being mis-used, I can't tell... ha

Get M-Cab, try to save the Howie.

by 101halo on Nov 25, 2007 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not going to happen
fun idea, but not happening. You win in the playoffs with strong pitching and bullpen. I dont like the idea of either shields or speier closing for us, especially after last year.

we'd  be a weaker team. this trade subtracts talent from the major league squad. the cabrera deal, with the exception of howie, subtracts minor league talent. Im not saying i prefer one over the other, but the hunter signing pretty much signals that this team wants to win NOW.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 25, 2007 11:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Losing HK is a bigger problem than losing Krod
I think we're likely to lose Krod anyway, so let's use him to prevent losing Howie... Yes, Krod will be missed, but the closing role is overrated, especially at $15+ million.  We've got more pieces in the bullpen than we do losing Howie's bat at 2B.

Besides, you'll have to get a new screen name if we don't lose Krod, because Howie won't be sticking around.

I messed with Texas!

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 25, 2007 12:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

um
ask half the teams in the league if they think the closer role is overrated. Its easy to say that when you have a top 3 closer. Ask the brewers or astros and cubs if they think its overrated.

this isnt fantasy baseball where terrible pitchers like joe borowski are good because they rack up saves. Im all for keeping howie in the lineup, but this idea doesnt make sense. We just gave up the highest per-year contract to a 32 year old outfielder. What makes you think we'll suddenly be penny pinching with a franchise closer?

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 25, 2007 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Answer:
"We just gave up the highest per-year contract to a 32 year old outfielder. What makes you think we'll suddenly be penny pinching with a franchise closer?"

Because we just gave up the highest per-year contract to a 32 year old outfielder.

Get M-Cab, try to save the Howie.

by 101halo on Nov 25, 2007 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You misunderstand me
It's not about penny-pinching.  It's about the long-term viability of this team.  Krod is very likely to walk, and Howie is more important to the future of this team.  We will likely lose one of them, if not both.  By putting Krod in a three-way trade, we have the ability to keep Howie by having to give him up to FLA.

I'd love to keep both of them, but that's very unrealistic.  The argument hear is that Howie is a more-likely long-term option, so we should try and keep him.

Disagree with my evaluation of Krod v. Howie, but at least try to understand the reality.  We won't be keeping both, and so I'd prefer to save Howie and give up Krod.

I messed with Texas!

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 25, 2007 12:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Please elaborate on the K-Rod deal a little more
You think K-Rod is going to bail after next season and become a Yankee?!?! Okay, um, how? Yankees just signed Rivera to an extension over 3 or 4 years, not sure exactly how long. You think K-Rod or Rivera is going to be okay with setting up for two years? Haha. Angels will extend him. He's not going anywhere. He's so damn young... they love him here.

by matt92130 on Nov 25, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Krod will either bail somewhere
(and don't think he wouldn't set up anybody for the right price), or he will be too incredibly expensive to justify the value of keeping him.

Even if we are able to extend him, I'm saying it'd be more valuable to keep HK and package Krod in a 3-way trade for Cabrera.  The price for Krod is just not worth it when we could use him to keep Howie and make our offense that much better.

I messed with Texas!

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 25, 2007 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

is your name francisco?
why are you suddenly the authority on what krod will and wont do?

or maybe your name is arte moreno?

you seem to have a ton of insight on what the teams plans for spending money are.

im not saying that the possibility for him to leave isnt there. because it is. it definitely is. but to just write off the idea of holding on to him this year, a year we're clearly shooting for a championship is just stupid.

bullpen depth is absolutely crucial to succeed in the playoffs and just in general. What if speier disappears again for months? Or shields is completely useless again? That trade would look incredibly shortsighted and dumb given the money and prospects wed be spending to compete for a title.

arte isnt raising payroll just for the hell of it. its to win. frankie helps this team seal victories.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 25, 2007 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Letting Howie get away in a trade
is a bigger problem than KRod... Remember where our stellar pitching got us in this year's post season?  Not to mention the one game we had a chance at winning, Krod completely blew for us.  That's a clutch post season bullpen for sure.

Frankie is a guy I hate to see let go, and I agree would be hard to replace.  But we have a lot of pitching depth, and I'd rather see him go in a trade that brings us MCab while still keeping Howie.  We need more offense, and selling out Howie and others for MCab is not going to get us there.

I'm convinced that over 95% of people's mistakes and confusion are caused by people NOT READING things.

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 25, 2007 4:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How many of our castoffs are now closing
for someone else right now?  Keep Howie and Wood and let's play ball!  
Stop swinging at balls out of the zone!

by K3YEROUT on Nov 25, 2007 9:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its a Business
 As soon as you realize this it will be easier to understand why exploring a trade for KRod makes all the since in the world. I have been saying this for awhile, but of course all of those with KRod jerseys get upset just like those that have bought Kendrick jersey's.
 As an Angel fan you can not tell me you feel like the game is over when KRod enters in a 1 run ball game. I know how I feel when someone like a Jonathan Papelbon ......GAME OVER!
 Money will be better spent acquiring some prospects/player for KRod. Like I said I have voiced the reasons and thoughts about this a few times so I am not going to repeat myself. Just glad that there is some others that are starting to see the light.

by Angel Aviator on Nov 25, 2007 12:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Papelbon/K-Rod
terrible insight.  The pessimist in you knows that Papelbon is dominant and that you don't have any reason to think the Angels will mount a comeback off of him.  Ask fans of the Yankees or Indians or other teams what they think when K-Rod comes in, and they'll tell you "game over", just like you say about Papelbon.  That's just the nature of a fan.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 25, 2007 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Our perceptions of a closer's dominance are so skewed by the seven or so games we see against that team in a year that the other 90% of our insight is (unfortunately and subconsciously) just ripped off of what the ESPN's of the world tell us.
Wherever Red Sox Nation is, I just wish Bush would invade it. President: Miggy C Man-Crush Club

by agermer on Nov 25, 2007 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fact Stat
Stat: 18 of Frankie's saves were 3 run saves and a few times he did not manage to save that lead (did get a win). 14 saves were 2 run leads, and those we had to hold our breath. He held 1 run leads 8 times while shitting the bed 3 times. These are leads to start the inning not entering and holding. That is what Shields has done for years now. Heck when Frankie entered with runners on it was like watching someone toss gasoline on the fire.

Enters Red Sox game score 4-1 with bases loaded 1 out:
Wild Pitch in 1 run ; DBL Ortiz 2 runs score ; Manny DBL 1 run
GAME TIED BLOWN SAVE
Making millions to not give up 3 runs in the last inning is a joke!

by Angel Aviator on Nov 25, 2007 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kidding Right?
 The stats that I listed occurred. If it occurred then that would be the context. I mean it is factual and it should be enough to understand.

by Angel Aviator on Nov 26, 2007 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Context
the fact that the stats occurred is not context.  A comparison to how that stacks up among all other relievers is context.

If I told you that K-Rod blew 80 saves last year, it would sound bad.  If I told you that K-Rod blew 80 saves last year, and the league average was 150, then it would be quite good.  THAT is context.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 26, 2007 11:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

K-Rod pitched in 150 games?
And I thought Shields had a rubber arm...
I'm convinced that over 95% of people's mistakes and confusion are caused by people NOT READING things.

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 26, 2007 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Such Thing as Relief

 Brad Lidge-Traded to Phillies- $5.35M
5 wins 3 Loss, 66 G, 67 IP, 54 H, 88 K's, 30 BB, BAA .219, WHIP 1.25
 Hmmm... This guy lost his job because of the numbers he put up. Here in Angel Land where everyone is nice we want to sign him long term for 15 mil a year. CRAP!!
 Francisco Rodriguez-Trade Some Place- $7M
5 wins 2 Loss, 64 G, 67.3 IP, 50 H, 90 K's, 34BB, BAA .204, WHIP 1.25
 Hows that for context??

by Angel Aviator on Nov 26, 2007 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you understand "context"
first of all, any idea that you have that I'm against this trade...get rid of it.  I'm not for or against it.

but secondly, showing me one similar pitcher who was traded is not relevant, and it is not context.  brad lidge is a horrible example.  last year was his first decent season in more than two years.  he has become a scapegoat for the pujols incident in his town for more 3 years, and never seemed to be able to personally shoulder that burden.  comparing lidge, a 31 year old coming off his best year in 3 years, to k-rod, a 25 year old coming off his worst year as a closer, is a horrible comparison.  and if you're suggesting that lidge and k-rod are similar, then you're suggesting they should get similar trade return.  if that's the case, we shouldn't expect much by packaging k-rod.

now, aside from that, we move on to context.  showing me one similar pitcher means nothing.  you told me that 'x' number of k-rod's saves were of 3 runs or more.  that's all well and good.  now tell me how many saves the average closer has of three runs or more.  what percentage of a closer's saves are of three runs or more?  THAT is context.  good for k-rod.  18 of his 40 saves (45%) were of three runs or more.  the average closer, however, has what percentage?  THAT is context.

next issue is, 45% really isn't that extreme at all.  the options in a save are, essentially, save a 1, 2, or 3 run lead.  that means in a season, strictly from a numbers standpoint, 33.3333...% of your saves should be from any given one of those leads.  when you factor in the situationals, that is, the likelihood of blowing any one of those saves, you are less likely to have more one run saves than two run saves, and less likely to have more two run saves than three run saves.  from that standpoint, 45% certainly doesn't sound that far out of whack.

now, when you consider that this is all happening during the worst season k-rod has had at a closer, and further consider that there is absolutely ZERO reason to be even slightly confident that k-rod is in a decline (there isn't reason or proof), what you're saying just doesn't carry much weight with me, nor should it with anyone.

and as a last point, it was already said in here, but the concept of a closer being easily replaceable is bullshit.  for a long, long, long time now the angels have been spoiled on great closers.  perhaps to a degree that it skews what we view as being replaceable.  ask the indians what they think of having joe borowski closing...or any other team what they think of having their coin-flip-chance-of-success closer on the mound.

granted, they're obviously not the most essential piece of an entire club, but clearly not all closers are not created equal.  k-rod, by his very nature, is most likely to be the recipient of grievances because he is the most identifiable figure who we can deem responsible for a loss.  your targetted criticism of him is far more a product of viewing 162 games of the angels, and not seeing how the plethora of other MLB closers are performing, and how favorably he stacks up with them. k-rod, in what of his worst season as a close to date, had what is, by all statistical measurements in the universe except apparently your own, a very solid season.  your analysis of his stats this year does nothing to prove a poor season, because the stats have no context.  if i told a non-baseball fan that vladimir guerrero failed the angels 68% of the time this year, they'd ask me what the fuck he was getting paid $14 million a year for.  when i provide the context, he is suddenly a superstar.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 26, 2007 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not my first time
 Whats the difference between comparison and context ? Don't really see that context is the deal here more comparing then anything.
 The deal hear is that to much value is put in the  save when most games are decided from the 7th inning on when a relief pitcher is brought in to kill/end the inning.
        Caseys Kiss of Death writes:
 next issue is, 45% really isn't that extreme at all.  the options in a save are, essentially, save a 1, 2, or 3 run lead.  that means in a season, strictly from a numbers standpoint, 33.3333...% of your saves should be from any given one of those leads.  when you factor in the situationals, that is, the likelihood of blowing any one of those saves, you are less likely to have more one run saves than two run saves, and less likely to have more two run saves than three run saves.  from that standpoint, 45% certainly doesn't sound that far out of whack.
 Here is info:
 Papelbon:
    13 3 run saves none blown gave up a run 1 time
     8  2 run saves 1 blown
     15 1 run saves 2 blown
     1 1 out save

Putz:
     10 3 run saves  1 blown save
     11 2 run saves  0 blown saves
     15 1 run saves  1 blown save
      2 Less then an Inn save
      2 enter with runners on got save
      5 times pitched more then 1 inning giving up  no runs to get a save in 1 run ball game  
 Wrong Caseys Kiss of Death

 Caseys Kiss of Death writes:  and as a last point, it was already said in here, but the concept of a closer being easily replaceable is bullshit.  for a long, long, long time now the angels have been spoiled on great closers.  Perhaps to a degree that it skews what we view as being replaceable.
 Really????
 Astros trade Wagner before the 2004 season Lidge saves 29 games while striking out 157 batters in just under 95 inn walking just 30. ERA 1.90 WHIP 0.92. Lidge had only 1 prior save in his first 95 inn. Oh yeah and Dotel pitches in with 14 saves in just under 35 inn striking out 50 walking 15. ERA 3.12, WHIP 1.21. Traded before the trading deadline for a guy named Carlos Beltran ...heard of him? Dotel goes on to save 22 games after the trade going 6-2 in almost 35 Inn striking out 72 walking 18. ERA 4.09 WHIP 1.16
Oakland A's haveJason Isringhausen in 2000 33 saves, 2001 who saves 34,He had a total of 1 save before being acquired from the Mets. Billy Koch in 2002 who saves 44. 2003 they acquire Keith Foulke who saves 43
 Orioles have BJ Ryan who saves 36 games in 2005 they lose him and he is replaced by Chris Ray who saves 33 up until then he has zero saves at the big league level. John Wetteland saves 43 in 1996 to win the World Series. The following year he and his big contract are gone and Mariano Rivera and his career 5 saves become the Yankees Closer notching ummmm  43 saves while the Yanks pay him $550,000for the year. Do I need to go on? Oh and save your language for someone else!

Jonathan Papelbon drafted 2003 bigs 2005 35 saves 2006.
JJ Putz drafted 1999 bigs 2003 76 saves last 2 years
Houston Street drafted 2004 bigs 2005 76 saves 3 years
Chad Cordero drafted 2003 bigs 2003 128 saves

 Billy Wagner, John Franco, Jeff Reardon and on and on the list goes of guys drafted as relief guys or made into relief guys quickly going to the bigs.  Some having great success, or at least flashes. Like Billy Koch and others. Point is you get a good power arm with a second pitch and you have a Closer.
 As for FRod going backwards I have seen it and if you have not then you have had your head in a bowl of chowder.
 When I first saw him in 2000 his FB was 93-95 occ 96-97, late life, Tight SL with bite, not a strike pitch, hitters chase uses for K's, no feel for CH, being used as a starter, has had elbow problems, better suited for CL role.
 Now he is not the FB 93-95 his SL is more of a slurve and hitters don't chase out of the zone. Has had to develop a CH because the slider that he has no longer has bite and now gets hit.
 The difference between the Angels getting prospects/players and not getting much in return like the Astros is the Angels have not turned around and banished FRod like the Astros did with Brad Lidge.
 One last thing I don't just go on stats either! They help, but knowing the game and seeing it played daily helps. Identify and Evaluate gather information then move on..........  

by Angel Aviator on Nov 26, 2007 11:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to admit
there is no way I was going to read your guys back and forth once one comment started to fill my screen.  I suppose it automatically becomes more of a one on one thing at that point.
Wherever Red Sox Nation is, I just wish Bush would invade it. President: Miggy C Man-Crush Club

by agermer on Nov 27, 2007 12:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Learn to format your text and to type
i'm seriously not trying to pick on you, but this is almost completely incoherent.

You also proved that Papelbon had 37% of his saves in 3-run games, which hardly proves anything to me.  Also, telling me that the two best closers in the entire game of baseball were ever-so-slightly better than K-Rod in ONE season doesn't do shit for your argument.  You still haven't done the ONE thing I asked for.  Give me the league average percentage of saves converted in 3-run games, or all of this is just plain useless.

Also, rattling off a list of closers who were replaced by young up-and-comers doesn't mean a thing if you don't happen to have a name as to who can replace him.  But more importantly, K-Rod is FAR more comparable to Chris Ray and Mariano Rivera than he is to Ryan and Wetteland...seeing as he's the 24 year old guy pulled out of the minors, who becomes a closer almost immediately.

But thanks for judging K-Rods' entire goddamn career and his continuing decline based on his 2007 performance.  Clearly having a bad (bad by your standards alone) season is an instant indicator that the man's career is done.  And clearly this overwhelming regression is just so apparent that it is being written about by every sportswriter in the game.  Wait...none of them are?  It's just you who thinks K-Rod is on the back side of his career?  I wonder why the hell that is.

And hey, if his regressions is so profound, SURELY the scouts for another team must have noticed by now, since they're paid to do it, and some dude on a blog has managed to notice.  Why would any team trade for a closer that is so bad that my head would have to be in "chowder" to not notice it?

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 27, 2007 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Need
 You're really going to go into format and text when you did not indent your paragraphs, or capitalize the first letter of each new sentence? Please ....
 You failed this bad. Never said F-Rod was bad. My whole point to this thing is Closers are over valued. Don't see why anyone would pay so damn much $$$ for 3 outs maybe 55 times a year. Money is better spent on 220+ inn pitcher, power bat.
 Failed to find your response about comparison and context. When I asked a question you never even attempted to answer. I gave you comparisons to what a lot of people believe are the best relief pitchers in the game right now. Why don't you fight the case that he is so great. Your always so quick with how Joe Borowski is so bad (not saying he is good) but the guy saved 45 games for a team that won 96. Sure he blew 8 save opps, and he was really bad when he blew those saves. Bottom line is he blew them.  F-Rod saved 40 for a team that won 94. He blew 6 save opps. Isn't that the bottom line SAVING the game? So JB has a awful ERA bottom line is he got it done 45 times blowing 8 and F-Rod got it done 40 out of 46. Whats the save % for these 2 guys? Is it really that big a difference or just splitting hairs.
 As for 2007 being an instant indicator not even close. Why don't you look at old and new film and  the numbers. See if the K/9 is the same or has gone down. Check out BAA and see how thats going. Also closer don't slowly lose it they just lose it.
  By the way according to the MLB site there was 90 pitchers that recorded either a save opp or save. 1516 SVO this year with 1,142 Saves. Top 20 in saves had 833 SVO and converted 731 of them into saves. That works out to an AVERAGE of 36.55 saves  and 5.1 blown saves per guy in the top 20.
 You trade because you have a guy that can step in and do the same thing. Shields can close and if your going to argue that he was bad at the end you would be right. Then again you would be basing it on the last few months, and doing the same thing your accusing me of doing. Shields is already locked up for a few more seasons and F-Rod is going to go on the market looking for big dollars. Hey, maybe the reason the Angel brass has not signed F-Rod is because they understand the game also.
 How about you stay in school and figure out that English thing and I will stay doing what I do.
 

by Angel Aviator on Nov 27, 2007 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for proving yourself
as the true snide prick.  You win, I lose.  That's what you wanted to hear, so there you go.  Go gloat to your e-buddies that the mighty Casey has fallen.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 27, 2007 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You HAD to do this to us again?
Even after your meet 'n' greet?  Holy fookin' scheiße...

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by Bilko 420 on Nov 27, 2007 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?
Um.........

by hauldog on Nov 27, 2007 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather trade KRod than Howie...
I'm definitely down with that idea.

by bc56274 on Nov 25, 2007 1:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, well...
They have a closer already, its that guy who saved 30+ saves for them... whats his name? Oh ya, Kevin Gregg.

by Obscurity on Nov 25, 2007 2:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Obscurity, I shouldn't dignify you with a response
but I will humor you...

Read my post... We wouldn't be trading Krod to the Marlins... the trade involves a THIRD team.

I messed with Texas!

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 25, 2007 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly why the save
is a worthless statistic

by mdangel on Nov 25, 2007 5:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You
 I hear ya.........millions for the 3 run save. Blahhh. Ask Wes Littleton how tough of a save it was in his 30-3 Save against Baltimore

by Angel Aviator on Nov 25, 2007 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

30 saves in the vaunted
nl east. i'm so impressed.
"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Nov 25, 2007 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that comparable to
34 Homers in the vaunted NL east?

by thehasegawaexpress on Nov 26, 2007 12:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fact!
 Might also add that this was his first year closing. Never did it in the minors or bigs. Not that he is an answer, but he saved 30+ while blowing 4.
 Goes to show just how easy one can get a relief pitcher that can pitch one inning and not shit down his leg. Hell, doesn't a good hitter fail at about 68%? If that is so then who is the direct benifeciary of the hitters failure?

by Angel Aviator on Nov 26, 2007 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
I, for one, would trade KRod well before I traded HK...
Wanted: Any position player with power

by gorams77 on Nov 25, 2007 5:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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