Arte: We had a deal twice for Cabrera

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 28, 2007 4:42 PM PST Comment 37 comments

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071128&content_id=2313285&vkey=news_ ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana

Interesting read. Arte says that twice he said they reached an agreement on players to send for Cabrera but the marlins backed off and said no, asking for more.

He says the Dodgers had the same thing happen to them. Makes sense, Colletti was in the LA times last week saying they thought they had a deal in place but the other team got "cold feet"

Needless to say, we're gonna be paying heavy if we get him and the Dodgers DEFINITELY arent out of it.

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LA Times

Good stuff.

by Bilko 420 on Nov 28, 2007 4:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Very smart...

Pitting us against eachother. Brilliant move by the Marlins to maximize their take with two teams in the same market bidding against eachother as they fight for share.

by Wytelitning on Nov 28, 2007 4:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The Marlins overshot. The Dodgers backed away early, and now the Angels are too. Moreno doesn't like how they do business and isn't afraid to say so. I think they come back on a compromise deal during the winter metings, Ken Rosenthal thinks so too.

by ghostofwallyjoyner on Nov 28, 2007 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A brilliant overshoot

They haven't backed away from anything and are talking to Marlins all the time. If I were them I would just wait for one to fall into the trap, if neither does you already have a lesser deal in place with both teams. What if both teams back out completely? You are a cash heavy team that can sit and wait till July.

by Wytelitning on Nov 28, 2007 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Arte

When the owner of the team comes in and says he is frustrated with the games the Marlins are playing...that means their strategy is backfiring. Its fine for them to pit us against the Dodgers, but eventually (and it looks like it has almost reached that point) they are going to piss someone off who will just walk away and the Marlins will lose leverage.

by gohalos on Nov 29, 2007 7:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think they're pitting us against LAD

I think they're playing both LA teams. Don't be surprised to see Miguel Cabrera play at Dolphin Stadium next year--not because the Dodgers or Angels couldn't make a deal, but because the Fish never intended to move him to begin with.

The Hunt for a Red October ...and please keep telling Clutch to chill!

by cardinalwraith on Nov 28, 2007 4:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I thought you meant he was going to gain

so much weight, he will be blocking for Ricky Williams.

by theblackpearl on Nov 28, 2007 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I fear

we are one trade away from being like the Angels of the 80's .

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Nov 28, 2007 4:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

No reason to break the bank!

Glad to hear Arte's not sitting on one player... There are plenty of other options for our team. We should set a fair deal on our terms for Cabrera and stick to it. If we get him, great. If not, we're exploring other options.

Arte's posturing (as well as speaking candidly). He's basically saying F-U to FLA which will drive the price down.

I'm a gutless, two-faced little b!tch.

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 28, 2007 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I really liked these articles --

how Arte matter-of-factly tells it like it is.

He calmly addresses the pieces involved in a Cabrera deal, his philosophy regarding budgets, and even Stoney's limited game plan in pursuing Soriano last year.

by Bilko 420 on Nov 28, 2007 5:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Which article

has the stoneman Soriano thing?

Um.........

by hauldog on Nov 29, 2007 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Basically alluding to the

"eggs in one basket" sorta effort with Soriano last year, and Konerko the year before. Kinda reminiscent of the recent Teixeira pursuit.

"We got so fond of one player, and then the market moved away from us," [Moreno] said, referring to the Angels' pursuit last winter of free agent Alfonso Soriano, who signed with the Chicago Cubs.
mlb.com

"We got so focused on one player, the market moved away from us," said Moreno, referring to former GM Bill Stoneman's attempts to sign free agents Paul Konerko and Alfonso Soriano, in particular, the past two winters. "We focused so hard on one player the last couple years and came up empty."
ocregister.com

"We're talking about a lot of players," Moreno said. "What's happened to us a couple of times the last few years, is we really zeroed in on a couple of players and didn't get it done."

So this offseason, they are not waiting around, trying to woo a Paul Konerko or an Alfonso Soriano with so much affection there's no one left to love when they move on.
dailynews.com

Think I'm changing Reagins' nickname from Stoney's Tony to a very strong Italian Tony Scioscia.

by Bilko 420 on Nov 29, 2007 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gotcha

Thanks for the links.

Um.........

by hauldog on Nov 29, 2007 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yocum

CFs talk at Doc's office. Another good article.

by Bilko 420 on Nov 28, 2007 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

looks like

we signed us a couple of class acts. still not ecstatic with the hunter signing but, at least, he's a nice person.

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Nov 28, 2007 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, I'm a nice guy

I should ask Arte if he's got a spare $90M in his pocket for me.

Hoping Ervin Santana turns it around in Salt Lake. Go, Ervin!

by scareduck on Nov 28, 2007 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe you can live in Mj's guesthouse?

More latimes.com footage --

I would suspect the demotion is still very much worth the new palace in Newport...

If Torii Hunter were in Matthews' spikes, and his team signed another center fielder to the richest contract in franchise history, pushing him to the corner outfield spots, he wouldn't be pleased.

"Gary is one of my favorite guys. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. He's a great person, and there's no way we're going to bump heads on this. If something were to go down [between us] we would clean it up right away. That's the kind of people we are."

Also, Arte says Names will be named --

Moreno said he does not know if Selig will discipline players who are named in the Mitchell report and insisted that there was "zero relationship" between the possibility that Matthews, a center fielder who will now move to a corner outfield position, could be suspended and the acquisition of Hunter, a Gold Glove center fielder.

by Bilko 420 on Nov 28, 2007 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Deeg's workin' overtime this evenin'

Alright the Times has finally put the entire quote together in context.

"A lot of people are fishing for it, but there is no animosity, no jealousy at all," Hunter said. "I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. If something were to go down, we would clean it up right away. Gary said as long as we win and get that ring, it doesn't matter."

Sorry about this, but at least it's not a Diary. Also, anyone go to school with Sleepy Jon Garland?

by Bilko 420 on Nov 29, 2007 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No, but...

..his aunt and my mom are co-workers at the school district offices.

by NPCody on Nov 29, 2007 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

personally

i think we should just go after santana.

then with the surplus of outfielders, maybe flip willits or rivera to san diego for some relief or a prospect.

the cabrera deal is clearly going to be us getting robbed or nothing.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 28, 2007 6:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Glut

If we have a glut it's starting pitching. I don't know why we have 7 starting pitchers and feel we need to add another. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have Johann at the top of our rotation, but we could trade 3 starters for him and still field a 5 man rotation.

by anaheimisnotla on Nov 28, 2007 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

we don't have seven and we can't trade three.

lackey
escobar
weaver
garland
saunders
santana

that's only six. where is this phantom seventh starter?

"it's mind-bottling."

by retrohalo on Nov 28, 2007 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Must be thinking Moseley

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Nov 28, 2007 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My favorite line from the article...

"Our focus is on winning championships."

Said by Moreno.

by 10 27 02 on Nov 28, 2007 6:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I will cry

if they trade Howie...........

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Nov 28, 2007 6:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

me too...

HK47 is gonna be HUGE in the next few years, and to get rid of him now is gonna suck!

MS-Society HERE to read more about it, and donate some money!

by sipperphoto on Nov 28, 2007 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

have a box of kleenex...

nearby at all times.

by thejd on Nov 28, 2007 7:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I've bought twq

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Nov 28, 2007 7:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

This is probably why

Stoneman was never able to make a deal. Other teams always knew how deep the Angels farm system was, and would always try to "double dip" when it seemed that a deal was close.

by Doctor Wu on Nov 28, 2007 11:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Florida throws their weight around

so to speak.

That the two teams most interested and best equipped to acquire Cabrera are intrastate rivals is happenstance. One industry source in contact with the Marlins said both Los Angeles teams know exactly what they have to give up to land Cabrera.

The one that does so first, presumably by adding the fourth piece, will get him.
sun-sentinel.com

Larry Beinfest, the Marlins' president of baseball operations, refused to address the comments made by Moreno, saying, "We do not comment on trades or trade rumors."
miamiherald.com

by Bilko 420 on Nov 29, 2007 1:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

for all the links lately.

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Nov 29, 2007 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Angels Stov'aholism

Figured it's kinda cool seeing some of these things before they're relayed from Tim Dierkes' MLBTR.

This is sorta funny, buried in a Johan Santana/Red Sox article from twincities.com. I'm reading this yet hearing this site's fave Quinihana's Minnesota accent as if in Text-to-Speech.

Robb Quinlan of St. Paul, a utility player for the Los Angeles Angels, was surprised when the Angels signed former Twins outfielder Torii Hunter last week.

"Very surprised; I had no idea," Quinlan said. "It was Thanksgiving morning, and I'm just rolling out of bed and my family's calling, other people are calling. The phone's ringing off the hook, and I'm thinking, 'What's going on?'

"All of a sudden, I'm hearing, 'Torii Hunter, Torii Hunter, Torii Hunter signed with the Angels,' and I'm saying, 'C'mon, I know you guys are joking.' "

Quinlan, naturally, is excited about the acquisition.

"What a great pickup for us," he said. "We won 95 games last season without Torii Hunter, and we got (pitcher) Jon Garland from the White Sox, too. And, honestly, I don't think we're done. I think we're going to make a good run at Miguel Cabrera from the Marlins or Miguel Tejada from the Orioles. This is definitely a good offseason for the Angels."

by Bilko 420 on Nov 29, 2007 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't that funny

that both of the quotes you have there contradict each other.

One says the Marlins don't comment and the other is a comment attributed to the Marlins. One of them must not be accurate and I think that Larry Beinfest is the one full of shit. They have been using the media to create a bidding war from day 1.

by LosAngel on Nov 29, 2007 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs