Arte Says Mitchell Report Will Include Names
by agermer on Nov 29, 2007 10:29 AM PST
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3133290
The (multi) million-dollar question: Does this mean Arte knows something about a particular outfielder of ours with the potential to be on this list? If so, his preemptive signing of Hunter will look all the more genius.
An interesting quote from the article:
"The names of players will come out that people will be mad about."
I suppose we can only wait and see which players and how mad...
Is it wrong of me to hope that Gary is on the list so we could dump his contract? He is a great guy, but from a business perspective that would be a godsend.
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What does naming someone do?
We may be mad at some names, but what does being mad matter regarding these guys contracts or whether or not they still play?
PS. - Not being a smart ass, I really don't have answers or a lot of knowledge about the situation.
I see what you mean
I guess my point is also that in the case that Gary is suspended or forced to spend time in court (or elsewhere) during the season, the signing of Hunter will look even better.
This article just gave me the vibe that Arte is on the inside track to something that he can't yet share and I am sure that even the potential for Gary to be on this list had some kind of influence in signing Torii. It's interesting how Arte is the first to publicly confirm this information.
court?
you can get it from any doctor that sees it fit.
Steroids and HGH are not the same thing. HGH has been around for years and is used so much throughout the country. It can be abused, yes, by guys looking to get big.
Matthews will be spending no time in court.
He received shipments of something that is neither illegal nor was it banned for major league baseball at the time. What exactly would he be tried for?
All he would have to do is cite one of the many reasons people use HGH -- perhaps to slow the effects of aging or enhance his sexual performance?
Point is, people need to understand HGH and anabolic steroids are not the same thing.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 29, 2007 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I understand the difference
"Section 7(b)(1) of Article 3 of the Uniform Player's Contract empowers a team to void a contract if a player fails, refuses or neglects to "conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep himself in first-class physical condition or to obey the Club's training rules." Arguably, being named in such a damning report constitutes poor citizenship and poor sportsmanship, reflects a failure to keep oneself in first-class physical condition, and indicates disregard of a team's training rules."
That is from here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_mccann/11/12/mitchell.report/index.html
I am merely speaking of the potential for this have an impact and the possible correlation between Arte being the first to report this information and his signing of a player that plays the same position as the only player on our team with any possible relation to this report.
Food for thought, not accusations or statements that Gary did anything "illegal" but simply that the Angels may be able to void his contract if they were to pursue such an avenue.
I believe...
by Wytelitning on Nov 29, 2007 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
I would give so, so, so much
Hey guys, does anyone know who this twig is???:
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 29, 2007 11:27 AM PST reply actions
Possible Suspension
by AngelsFanInMinnesota on Nov 29, 2007 12:49 PM PST reply actions
Think about this....
Gary Matthews Jr. was implicated in the Florida Clinics raid scandal along with several other players. Matthews was allegedly sent shipments of steroids in 2004. These raids are the heart of the Mitchell Report.
Steroids were not banned by Baseball until 2005.This is the link to the original story: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2798357
The Mitchell report has progressed significantly since early 2007. It may have found Matthews continued recieving shipments in 2005 or later, or found that he used steroids past the 2005 cutoff date set by Baseball. Regardless of this, if Matthews lied about using steriods at all that's where he could be in trouble. Players that used steroids in the past and admitted to it have been let off the hook and allowed to move on. Players that used and lied about it could face legal troubles (like Barry Bonds).
If Arte has seen the final findings of the Mitchell Report and has a hint of what actions will be taken by Baseball, then maybe the signing of Hunter was to cover potentially losing Matthews if he gets suspended by Baseball. Getting a big bat in Hunter at the same time probably seemed good business sense to Arte.
Inaccuracies abound
First things first: GMJr. has not been linked to steroids in any way, shape or form; he supposedly received a shipment of HGH, not steroids. As noted above, they're different things.
[I]f Matthews lied about using steriods at all that's where he could be in trouble. Players that used steroids in the past and admitted to it have been let off the hook and allowed to move on. Players that used and lied about it could face legal troubles (like Barry Bonds).
This, too, is false. Bonds was indicted for perjury because he allegedly lied to a grand jury. He is not in legal trouble simply for lying, nor could GMJr. face any legal trouble for not telling the truth unless he was under a legal obligation to do so.
This is a huge difference.
You're right, I should have used HGH instead
well
Moreover, they were under no legal obligation to tell Mitchell anything, or to tell him the truth, so again it's hard to see how they could get in trouble.
We need a thread
Hot Stove: Santana situation shifting
Already sounding a little dismayed with Florida's posture in their negotiations for Miguel Cabrera, the Angels could shift the focus to Santana.
According to the New York Daily News, the Twins' list includes heavy-hitting shortstop Brandon Wood, a high-end prospect and an established starter -- which the Angels could now afford to include. Los Angeles GM Tony Reagins is said to be pushing lefty Joe Saunders, with Smith insisting on Jered Weaver.
Can we please drop the insurance argument???
Repeat after me: GMJ(ay) is here to stay!
by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Nov 29, 2007 1:58 PM PST reply actions
Torii was more
I am not making an arguement
How the hell can signing a player who plays the same position as a guy with four years left on his contract have nothing to do with him (GMJ).
I would love to see him stay. Don't get me wrong, the surplus is a beautiful thing to have. But several of these oddities are starting to come together and, though I not the type at all to be a conspirator, the possibility of a connection between them is very intriguing.
All we do on this site, especially without games going on, is speculate. That's all we are doing here. A little investigative reporting and speculating, not arguing.
The Torii Hunter signing came just after the end
Touche
If they do, I hope it's one of those wooden ones for toddlers and not one of those 3-D Eiffel Towers.
You are kidding yourself
????
How about aching and arthritic-ridden Garret Anderson, who has suffered a severe decline in production since baseball began testing for steroids? The whole point of Moreno's comments was that fans would be upset (i.e. surprised) by the names revealed in Senator Mitchell's report. It could be Matthews, it could be anybody.
Signing Torii had nothing to do with this.
by DChalofan on Nov 29, 2007 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think there is a big
Who knows what the Mitchell Report will yield. Sure, anybody could be on it, but all I am saying is Matthews is the only player on our team that can be a pretty sure fire bet to be on the list. His name has already been linked to this kind of activity, and the 2004 Florida Clinic raids that he was a part of, are at the heart of the investigation.
Therefore, signing Torii could have a WHOLE lot to do with this. Even the remote possibility of losing your center fielder to something like this, or if no legal action is taken, having his name mentioned in something so defamatory hurts the reputation of the team as well.
I am not saying that they signed Torii simply because of this, but that it absolutely had to hold SOME kind of weight in the decision. Potential or speculative or otherwise, there is no doubt it weighed in to the decision-making process.
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