Fox: Tori Hunter Top 5 Worst Off Season Signings
I guess it depends on what coast you are on. If Boston or New York had signed him, Fox would be handing them the World Series right now.
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I saw this as well
The Angels are damned when they do and damned when they don't - they have a baserunning machine in place in 2007 and they get scolded for ignoring batting power. Then they go out and get some pop and are scolded because Torii Hunter does not get on base as much as a leadoff hitter.
And heaven forbid that Fox criticize the ew-signings of Mariano Rivera or Jorge Posada - players that are 8 and 4 years older than Torii Hunter respectively.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 11, 2007 2:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mash Potatoes
The thing with the Hunter signing is it is a bad deal based on the fact the Angels did not address their needs. The OF was fine and had the team not done a thing with the OF I am sure the fans would have been more then fine with that. Problem is they went and spent the $$$ on something we did not need.
Its kind of like the conversations the wife and I have when she shows me what she bought on sale. My thing is did we really need it, and imagine how much we would have saved had she not bought the item at all. Knowing the $$$ spent could go for something that is needed.
Hunter is a solid player and I like his energy, but to pay 16 mil a year nah....
by Angel Aviator on Dec 11, 2007 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What will make it a good signing....
I'm dreaming, I know, but the winter's too young to judge this deal. Hunter is a much better guy to have in CF than Matthews, and a terrific dude all around in the clubhouse, so for the moment I'm fine with this deal.
by mattwelch on Dec 11, 2007 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of unloading some of our OF's
by higdog on Dec 11, 2007 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Wood should play SS (in 2009)
by mattwelch on Dec 11, 2007 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have anything other than Baseball fate
by higdog on Dec 11, 2007 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too!
by mattwelch on Dec 11, 2007 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How oddly specific
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 11, 2007 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 21 is specific
by mattwelch on Dec 11, 2007 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, no I definitely agree with
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 11, 2007 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for someone else!
by K3YEROUT on Dec 12, 2007 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt, you said with few words what I was trying to
I'm all on-board with getting Hunter - Just think the Halos need to make another move to fill their need at 3B/SS
by Grichfan on Dec 12, 2007 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they land a quality 3B man,
by wumbug on Dec 13, 2007 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What does walking have to do with mashing?
by justanotherhalosvictory on Dec 11, 2007 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matthews over Figgins
by higdog on Dec 11, 2007 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't count on that...
Ever.
Ever.
Not for $50 million, not ever.
It is sunk cost.
Period.
Jimmuscomp
by jimmuscomp on Dec 11, 2007 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GMJ wasn't terrible when healthy last year
I think his bat will be fine if he can stay healthy and it would be nice to have him in right over Vlad so Vlad can DH.
Even better if we can somehow trade him and put Rivera there.
by thewebb on Dec 11, 2007 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In fact
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 11, 2007 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are They
Not to mention Hunter is way off when you talk SLG% with a Pujols, or Larry. All the above players have better lifetime SLG% as well.
by Angel Aviator on Dec 11, 2007 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For 18 freakin million
I don't have a problem with Dayn's criticism - Torii is a very good player but not a great one. I'm happy to have him on the team, because every good player we can get is one more step to the series, but I'd be pissed if the Angels fail to get Santana because they can't afford his 20-25 million on top of Torii's 18.
by RallyMonkey5 on Dec 11, 2007 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Second, the only real beef he has with the signing is the dollar amount of the contract and, to some degree, the length of it. He even admits that Torii will help the Angels win.
There's nothing original here. Perry's story adds nothing new to the debate.
by Higz on Dec 11, 2007 2:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's a bad contract.
Red Sox have Drew.
We have Matthews and Hunter.
They're all bad contracts.
Why does it bother you that it's stated? It's all true.
by bc56274 on Dec 11, 2007 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bad?
Since MONEYBALL was written (and influenced a generation of baseball analysts to be penny-pinchng tightwads in compensating players) Major League Baseball has QUADRUPLED ITS REVENUES and shares these revenues with every team like never before. Matthews and Hunter have contracts that are ahead of the curve relative to the sport's growth, but some people are STUCK in the pre-internet economics of 1999. It is a new century with new revenue streams and Arte Moreno is NOT pocketing the dough and then crying to the fans - which is what Lew Wolff is doing to Joakland's few thousand loyalists and laughing all the way to his tarped-over bank.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 11, 2007 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone ever tell you
And I don't mean that in a bad way, I swear.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 11, 2007 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying....
by bc56274 on Dec 11, 2007 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am saying...
There are bad contracts. Articulating what specifically distinguishes them from good contracts will be a practice of hindsight for the next few seasons.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 11, 2007 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you read Moneyball?
It seemed to me like the book was about identifying inefficiencies in a market and exploiting them more than it was about assigning any specific values to anything. And if you're referring specifically to OBP, many "Moneyball people" - as Joe Morgan would call them - have said that the inefficiencies in the market for OBP have declined significantly. I would agree.
I don't think any reasonable person would argue with you about the economics of the sport having changed. Any specific dollar amounts that were mentioned in Moneyball are not applicable today, and anyone who would argue otherwise just isn't very smart.
by Dogman on Dec 11, 2007 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
of course I have read Moneyball
These acolytes now gage every front office move across baseball from the perspective of the economics of a small market franchise. Therefore there is almost NO player worth $18 million a year if you adhere to their methodologies.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 11, 2007 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you think the Dodgers overpaid for A. Jones?
by bc56274 on Dec 11, 2007 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You cannot underpay
by Rev Halofan on Dec 11, 2007 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A slight correction...
This, dear readers, is why they plan on building a NEW stadium that, by design, only seats approximately the same number of paying customers as they currently provide untarped in their current stadium.
by Stirrups on Dec 11, 2007 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right about the economics
Economics have changed, but not all for the good of baseball.
by LosAngel on Dec 13, 2007 6:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moneyball
Moneyball was also written expressing which stats really matter when it comes to putting a winning team on the field. In the mind of Billy Bene that is
Whats it matter if you aren't pocketing the money yet your over spending ("Matthews and Hunter have contracts that are ahead of the curve relative to the sport's growth") on high end free agents. Regardless if money is being spent it still has to be spent wisely. Arte still has a budget and no matter what he will continue to keep his eye on the bottom line dollar.
Don't get me wrong Rev I like Torii Hunter and think he brings something to the team. Just not that piece they needed to put them up and over to top.
by Angel Aviator on Dec 11, 2007 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
money
you cant be players in a new market while referring to the old market.
Barry Zito got the biggest contract for a pitcher ever. A-Rod got an even bigger contract even though hes much older and on the wrong side of his prime.
This is why Torii Hunter can make 18 million even though hes 32 and Andruw Jones can make even more after hitting .222
Look at the payrolls of teams, youll be surprised that more and more teams are approaching, reaching or going well above the $100 million threshhold.
the games doing well, inflation is showing some signs and you just have to compare the contract to ones signed THAT YEAR because free agency fluctuates like crazy
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 11, 2007 3:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you 100%
All that should matter to the fans is if Torii makes our team better or worse.
I say better, some may not.
by Wytelitning on Dec 11, 2007 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nay-sayers should read
You can talk all the shit you want about GMJ but when he robbed Texiera of that double in the right center gap on opening night last year i knew he would help us become a better team, and look at what happened, we won the division.
Personally I agree that the post-season is a crapshoot, and in the coming years our offense will actually click in the post-season and we'll win it all based on timely hitting and running and all that stuff and Scioscia will be praised for sticking to his guns.
Personally i love the Angels style of play, it's exciting and I am proud to be a season seat holder because of it.
by jtkelly86 on Dec 11, 2007 3:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and then
Then he dropped an easy fly ball for an error, then made a great diving catch to end the inning after the bases were loaded.
Watching GM jr play defense is like riding a rollercoaster.
by RallyMonkey5 on Dec 12, 2007 6:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HERE! HERE!
by Halofanatic on Dec 11, 2007 5:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like the Hunter signing...
I hate! the GMJ jr. signing.
As many of us mentioned last year; we should just wait a year and sign Hunter.
In lieu of all these outfield signings, our think our team is a lot better than last year. Do I think we win the WS, no, we will a game in the playoffs, yes.
by cupie on Dec 11, 2007 7:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone find it ironic. . .
by krush40 on Dec 11, 2007 8:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I find that to be quite the coincidence
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 11, 2007 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like RAAA-EEEE-AAAIN
by shiftyeyedgoat on Dec 11, 2007 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, bad choice of words.
Its pretty random that
by krush40 on Dec 11, 2007 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm......that is an interesting note.
by Halofanatic on Dec 11, 2007 8:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hunter
by docescobar07 on Dec 11, 2007 10:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I remember ESPN...
by 10 27 02 on Dec 11, 2007 11:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stoneman has always been great with pitching
by LosAngel on Dec 13, 2007 6:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
damn those east coast biased writers from
by Halofanatic on Dec 12, 2007 9:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Remember Catfish Hunter????
by SocalAngelFaninOC on Dec 12, 2007 9:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Contract
The real problem is the GMJ contract. We could have been bounced in round 1 without him, and if we hadn't already wasted 50M on CF, then the Hunter contract would be just fine.
Artie's got the money, and I believe Hunter was the best choice to spend it on this offseason.
by elricsi on Dec 12, 2007 11:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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