Senator George Mitchell Splooging Steroid Hysteria Thread

by Rev Halofan on Dec 13, 2007 1:49 AM PST in News Comment 81 comments

Today, Senator George Mitchell, board member of the Boston Red Sox baseball club, will release the findings of a biased, leaked and parasitically opportunistic investigation into the use of products that are not getting inner city kids shot on street corners nor can help anyone hit the curveball or locate on the black of the inside part of the plate.

To satisfy media whores and an imperious legislature eager for acclaim over accomplishment, Mitchell will drag many names through the mud as part of a broader cultural effort to eradicate habeas corpus and render anyone anywhere subject to being considered guilty until proven innocent in an expensive, inaccessible and hostile court of law.

America once stood for the freedom to smoke indoors, to marry your pubescent cousin and to shoot ferrel cats entering your property. Now Evel Kneivel is dead and Senator George Mitchell is seeing to it that the right to mess up your own body as you choose is an Orwellian thought crime punishable by a public scolding constructed for the sole purpose of expanding the egos of a few, powerful bureaucrats in the warm glare of the 24-hour cable teevee floodlights.

Steroid abuse is a thousand times less-threatening to baseball than gambling, and yet the floating strike zone and shameless bad calls of unregulated, permanently-tenured umpires are ignored while the betting line becomes a regular facet of the game. Steroids take the attention from the plethora of Doug Eddings-style controversies that are the truer can of worms. HgH and the like could only tarnish this fine game when a certain anti-hero played the race card to spoil Mark McWhitebread's Andro-aided pureboy march to the top of your granpappy's record books.

Post your opinions of this gutless Mitchell malarky in this thread. If David Ortiz is named as a juicer, okay okay, maybe I am being too harsh here...

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Yup.

Definitely Dennis Miller.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 13, 2007 1:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

well...

Dennis Miller, c. 1996. Ya know, back when he was still funny ;-)

by ziggy on Dec 13, 2007 2:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Truly Miller Scary!

by SocalAngelFaninOC on Dec 13, 2007 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

For him to have any credibility

Ortiz and Manny MUST be in his list

I'm a gutless, two-faced little b!tch.

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Dec 13, 2007 6:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Baseball would suck

if it was just players like, Mark McGuire, Ken Caminiti and the five guys from "How Much Ya Bench?" GUYS LIKE THAT MAKE ME SOOO MAAAAAAD!!! I JUST WANT TO HIT THEM SOOOO HARD. AAARRRGHHHHH!!!!!

In college, a guy in my dorm was on steroids. We called him "Post" and he failed out after two semesters with a sub 1.00 GPA.

Baseball would suck.

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Dec 13, 2007 6:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Has anyone in Congress noticed

that we have a war in Iraq, a recession looming, a housing crisis, a sub prime credit crunch, hedge funds and banks potentially going bankrupt, China about to kill our currency, Europe and Canada (freakin Canada for christ's sake) eating our lunch, an election that probably won't happen because Bush enacts martial law and global warming threating to take out human life on this planet.

Who gives a shit about steroids in baseball. Talk about a smokescreen.

BTW, I'm saying hello from Shenzhen. Crazy place this China. Just visited a factory today that employees 300,000 people on 1 campus. Insane!

by LosAngel on Dec 13, 2007 6:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

This is not a congressional investigation.

"We're still in the information-gathering process," Reagins said.

by 44FAN on Dec 13, 2007 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course it would come to this.....

everyone jump on the "bash Bush" bandwagon, I mean, hey, it's the best thing since sliced bread and rooting for the Red Sox. Please don't take this as a pro-Bush post, because that is truly NOT the case as I too have gripes with him. However, it would really be cool if we could just stick to sports eventhough this topic merges with politics. I was hoping for some posts on who is named, like no one from the Angels and about 48 players from the AL East.

Also, about this excerpt from above: "nor can [steroids] help anyone hit the curveball"...true, but when they do hit it, chances are it goes a lot farther than if they were clean.

by autrys cowboys on Dec 13, 2007 7:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

But...

Its a baseball topic when an investigation is completed by baseball personal. When a congressman sticks his nose in Baseball, it becomes a political thing.

by Jay Cal on Dec 14, 2007 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait, let me check

Nope, still don't care. Manufactured controversy.

by LA Seitz on Dec 13, 2007 8:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Here's hoping for...

Ortiz and Manny.

Apparently Clemens' name has been leaked.

I'd give odds on Troy being on it (alas), as well as Tejada (yeah, I was wrong, I admit it). And, of course, everyone's favorite indicted home run king.

Any other bets?

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Dec 13, 2007 8:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Alleged leak here

Here

Manny and Papi are NOT on this list. But a bunch of ex-suxers are on the list: Nomar, Damon, and Nixon.

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Dec 13, 2007 9:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Here are some names that might show up . . .

The following names are expected to be named in the report, according to WNBC:

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenn y Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsworth, Ryan Franklin, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22243678

by G Abbes on Dec 13, 2007 9:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Jason Varitek

Atleast he outted ONE of his own guys. I wonder if the "C" will remain on his jersey next season???

by autrys cowboys on Dec 13, 2007 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm...Jose Awfulman

....yea, it's so clear now. Obviously that guy was juicing based on his stellar performance. Although it does explain his roid-rage-induced charging of the mound in the minors.

by autrys cowboys on Dec 13, 2007 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Barry Bonds?

really? i never would have thought .....

by rbrianc on Dec 13, 2007 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Mitchell

Illegal to wack off and eat snatch in Georgia by law. If done by a minor, imprisonment in Georgia's penile institutions may lead to ram rodding and excessive behavioral norms sanctioned by this report while inmate receives steroid antidote treatment. Failure is not an option, however castration and as Brad Fullmer reminds us loss of limb is guaranteed by the player's union bill of rights and its amendment.

If you were not there in 2003 when Fullmer's leg caved you missed an Angel classic moment.

Good luck to Senator Mitchell in his next worthy endeavor. May the Holy Spirit of Jefferson Davis and Pancho Villa allow his fortissimos ascent in mastermind investigations of mental masturbation, not only of the media, but of every idiot who gives a crap about W.

by roidrage on Dec 13, 2007 9:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

What's up with this post?

by SactoFan on Dec 13, 2007 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Paxton Crawford

I knew that guy was juicing, he ned an asterisk by all his records!!

Fanatic since Fregosi

by Jangel7 on Dec 13, 2007 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ummmm. Not quite sure I am on board here.

If a guy wants to shut himself up in his own house and boink his butt all day with needles full of chemicals that will contort his body into all manner of changes for his own personal curiosity, then by all means I agree that there is a lot of room for bashing any civic government for insisting on legislating prohibitions.

However, when the "guy" in question is doing this as a means to better deny others their fair chance to compete for their chosen occupation and, in turn, forces those others to abuse their bodies in order to retain their standing in their occupation, then I am less inclined to object when a managing administrative body of the employer wants to prohibit any participant from gaining an edge using a means that might be dangerous to one's health. And if one of the early steps towards establishing this standard is that the employer comes clean on the extent of what they perceive to be a problem than I am Ok with that.

Now, if "coming clean" means castigating everybody but the members of the investigator's own organization then I am more than interested. I am pissed.

by Stirrups on Dec 13, 2007 9:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Shame and jealousy

These are socially constructed social emotions. What this means from the point of view of the report is that the socially constructed, or group norm that has been established by lily whites, is public humiliation of the named player as he is not within the socially acceptable norm as portrayed by viewpoints such as given by yourself.

However, the actual socially constructed social emotion will be jealousy. While people who were shamed generally had a career year which may have led to large contracts (as the team physical examination did not exclude the player), nevertheless the punishment meted out, namely social shame, can only evoke the socially constructed emotion, or group emotion of jealousy.

Thus while publicly the group of cohorts within the Mitchell clan constructed a norm which was anti steroids, in reality the pervasive use of steroids within baseball from stars that gained notoriety was the socially constructed norm within MLB.

To try and change such a group emotion from an outsider, or to change the socially constructed norm of performance enhancing drugs within MLB would require edicts and policing, in other words an action which exists "outside" the individuals socially acceptable social norm.

This breakage, or external interference, with social norms set within the particular group setting, for example - Schoenweiss, Glauss, Fullmer and others who may have been on the 2002 World Champion Angels team brings about not group shame, but rather group jealousy.

These learned social norms are as strong as if Darwin himself bestowed them on the individual.

What has transpired for the twenty million dollar report is within the typical state institutional norm. It is the American way. This juicer NGO (non-governmental organization) established within and debated by the Congress, should remind Americans of the NGO created to oversee nuclear non-proliferation, I believe its called AEATOM, or some similar acronym, where governmental involvement stripped responsibility from atomic scientists to guide in the decisions of who lives and who dies during nuclear attacks (the Baruch report) and handed this responsibility to a socially constructed group which includes possible rival sovereign states sitting on the same panel.

Ultimately, the fan has the right to socially construct their own social emotions be it love, jealousy, shame, guilt or whatever. It is the fans buck and the fans did not ask for Mitchell. The fans as part of socially constructed humanity asks for government protection for issues like global warming, nuclear non-proliferation as existed with Lillenthal and Oppenheimer's socially accepted norms and policing of societies basic human rights such as health care, slavery and all other human rights abuses.

by roidrage on Dec 13, 2007 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Reefer Madness

Agree or not, this was very well written, Rev. -- nice job.

Also, check this: David Eckstein must be a juicer 'cause he's signing before the scheduled 2:00 p.m. EST steroidal splooge-bowl?

by Bilko 420 on Dec 13, 2007 10:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

this is going to be great

"It's going to be a rough day in the Bronx," the paper quoted the source as saying.

Can't wait to see the entire Yanks lineup included in this report.

by DChalofan on Dec 13, 2007 10:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

There are many documented cases of

middle-school and high school athletes that have taken performance enhancing drugs and have died as a result. Maybe that is one of the points to all this.

"We're still in the information-gathering process," Reagins said.

by 44FAN on Dec 13, 2007 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Great point.

And please, let's never forget the Man Whose Arms Exploded.

by Higz on Dec 13, 2007 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's pull the "but the children!" card

for every grievance we have with the world.

You know, your internet can potentially carry child porn; we better ban it.

by shiftyeyedgoat on Dec 13, 2007 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny how George Mitchell's opening statements

today focused on the effects and influence performance enhancing drugs have had on student athletes. I guess you were wrong again shiftyeydgoat. And last I heard child porn was illegal too.

"We're still in the information-gathering process," Reagins said.

by 44FAN on Dec 13, 2007 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny

the last time I checked, professional athletes are not student athletes, but adults with free will.

by jjackflash on Dec 13, 2007 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Something tells me you missed the news

conference that George Mitchell had today and what he said.

"We're still in the information-gathering process," Reagins said.

by 44FAN on Dec 13, 2007 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I had

no interest in the news conference. I downloaded the report at 11:01 a.m. PST, and have been browsing through it as work permits.

My point is that Mitchell was not investigating high school athletes. Whatever concerns one has with respect to high school athletes largely has no bearing on the use of PEDs by highly compensated professional athletes.

by jjackflash on Dec 13, 2007 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Some of what Mitchell had to say:

"Apart from the dangers posed to the major league player himself however, his use of these substances encourages young athletes to use them. Because adolescents are already subject to significant hormonal changes, the abuse of steroids and other substances can have more serious effects on them than they have on adults."

"So persuasive was the use of steroids, which help build muscles and endurance quickly, hundreds of thousands of children were using them in sports. Every American, not just baseball fans, should be shocked by that disturbing truth."

"We're still in the information-gathering process," Reagins said.

by 44FAN on Dec 13, 2007 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

IF he cares so much

why doesn't he attack the beer billboards and sponsorship of baseball broadcasts? Teenage drinking is FAR more dangerous to more young lives than teen steroid abuse but oh wait, the big breweries are donating HOW MUCH to political campaigns? Oh silly me, yeah, go after the "juice" nto affiliated with anyone doanting grease to Washington's wheels...

by Rev Halofan on Dec 13, 2007 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll tell you why Rev,

For the same reason you LOVE your favorite punk rockers. ENVY. If taking a pill would have made you sell a million records and maintain street cred would you do it?

Don't be such a hater.

You're a big art guy, so what of all that oil money in the art world (Getty, Hammer, Houston, etc.), should you now be affiliated with those greasing Washington's wheels? Should you be blamed for the war in Iraq? Are you a scientologist?

It is well documented that several young athletes in California alone have committed suicide after being fucked-up on roids for years.

Would you want that to be one of your children?

by SactoFan on Dec 13, 2007 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wha?

It is well documented that several young athletes in California alone have committed suicide after being fucked-up on roids for years.

It is also well-documented that thousands of young people have committed suicide who have never so much as heard of steroids, let alone used them.

The implication that steroid use causes suicide is highly dubious, at best.

My heart goes out to the affected families. My guess is that most of those kids also ate potato chips at some point in their life. Should potato chips be banned because people who eat them may at some point commit suicide (or worse, murder)?

There are so many logical fallacies here, it's really disturbing.

by jjackflash on Dec 13, 2007 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Read the story

about Burt Hooton's nephew and tell me roids didn't have something to do with his depression and eventual suicide.

by SactoFan on Dec 14, 2007 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I read about it

when it happened. Again, I am sorry for the family's loss, but it's nothing short of silly to blame the kid's death on steroids.

by jjackflash on Dec 14, 2007 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

SactoFan

must be an alchy-Hawlic, he avoided my whole argument like it was a guilt trip for being the child of barfly betty and bob boozer.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 13, 2007 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Steroids are a controlled substance.

Alcohol is not.

If players were getting sh*t-faced to hit more home-runs and, thus, encouraging others to get sh*t-faced to do the same leading to more DWIs and wife-beatings then those beer ads would disappear in 5, no, 4 seconds. Yes, alcohol kills people, but so do kitchen knifes. What we're talking about is ILLICIT use.

No one is accusing Barry Bonds of using steroids to appropriately care for his asthma. Mark McGwire wasn't born underweight. These are Performance Enhancing substances we're talking about and I cannot think of a single legitimate sport in the world that encourages, condones, or accepts their use. Do you know why? Because once you do, it is no longer a sport.

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Dec 13, 2007 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

actually i agree with you

however - what in the hell difference will this mitchell bullshit amount to? NONE. There is nothing beyond the posturing - no teeth, no consequences and the funniest part is it shows that the establishment has NO POWER to make anyone do anything that they cannot be shamed into doing. Get it? you CAN cheat if you don't mind being called bad words. End of frickin' story - baseball gets dragged thru the mud and political folks get to appear like THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT and not a damn thing is different.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 13, 2007 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's already different

Remember, this report is about the past. Testing is already in place and the penalties are quite severe. What this report does is give Selig more leverage against Fehr and the union to make these as strong as he wants.

Baseball isn't getting dragged through the mud, the players are.

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Dec 13, 2007 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you're just pissed

because David Ortiz wasn't named.

by SactoFan on Dec 14, 2007 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Baseball deserves it

"baseball gets dragged thru the mud and political folks get to appear like THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT and not a damn thing is different."

I really don't see how "political folks" get any mileage out of this, please explain this statement.

And baseball is very different today. For one, Roger Clemens is not so much the rocket as his image is now of a bottle rocket fizzling on the launch pad.

by SactoFan on Dec 14, 2007 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Careful here....

this is a public forum and you just called me an alcoholic.

libel

An untruthful statement about a person, published in writing or through broadcast media, that injures the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because libel is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. Libel is a form of defamation , as is slander (an untruthful statement that is spoken, but not published in writing or broadcast through the media).

by SactoFan on Dec 14, 2007 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't he have to KNOW that

what he is writing is untrue though? Isn't that what the Falwell v. Flynt case was about? It's free speech up until you knowingly and intentionally lie about someone.

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Dec 14, 2007 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nuances

Actually, that case was not about libel/slander, but intentional infliction of emotional distress

The court did hold that when it comes to public figures (baseball players qualify as such), to recover for libel or slander, they must show not only that there is a factually false statement, but that the writer/speaker either knew that it was false or acted with reckless disregard as to whether it was true.

So, you don't have to intentionally lie necessarily, but you must at least act with no regard for whether what you say/write is the truth (i.e., you ignore all of the evidence that shows you're wrong, or ignore all the people telling you you're wrong, and you go ahead and say it anyway without actually determining whether it's true).

There was no merit to Falwell's libel claim because in addition to not meeting the actual malice standard, the court upheld the determination that the cartoon was not being offered as truth, but as parody. No reasonable person would have believed that Flynt was actually saying that Falwell's first sexual experience was a "drunken incestuous rendezvous with his mother in an outhouse."

by jjackflash on Dec 14, 2007 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Here goes Matlock:

So, if you're right, then it looks like the Rev is safe. Presumably there was no evidence that he was 'wrong' in calling SactoFan an "alchy-Hawlic" (nor was there any that he was right) and the "barfly betty and bob boozer" references probably also allow him to argue that it too was parody. It would be unreasonable to believe that those are actually SactoFan's parents.

I just won my first Supreme Court Case. Wooo-Hoo!!!

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Dec 14, 2007 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you're wrong on this...

"Oh silly me, yeah, go after the "juice" nto affiliated with anyone doanting grease to Washington's wheels..."

The legl and illegal pharmacological industry is a huge donating interest in all areas of government, why do ya think we've got tons of unregulated products on the market that the FDA approves or doesn't get involved with? How were these internet pharmacies allowed to operate? And to suggest some sort of quid pro quo between the alcohol industry's political contributions and being immune from something like the Mitchell report is ludicrous. If they are such a behemoth like you suggest why are ballclubs now not enabling alcohol consumtion as they did in the past? The A's have banned all booze in their and visiting clubhouses and other clubs are examining their alchohol policies.

Political battles are won and lost by all interests in government, contributions get you in the door for a chat and if you're really corrupt then bribery. Your assumptions of aboslute corruption and conspiracies are tiring.

FACT: Despite their contributions the alcohol industry lost a HUGE battle with the State Board of Equalization and the E-Boards decision to tax fruity booze drinks at the level of hard liquor whereas they were taxed at beer levels previously.

by SactoFan on Dec 14, 2007 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Big Stinking

load of CRAP.

Also, see what Rev said.

by jjackflash on Dec 13, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

There's no shovel big enough.

"We're still in the information-gathering process," Reagins said.

by 44FAN on Dec 13, 2007 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Non sequitur

Yes, the "for the children" (as I call it) card is waaay overused. That doesn't negate the argument where it is valid. Here, I believe it is the best argument against a laissez-faire attitude towards steroid abuse. The effects of steroids on a still-growing body can be severe.

". . .and the young lions will lock horns!" -- Ron Fairly, from an Angels telecast

by rspencer on Dec 13, 2007 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not Buying It

I don't mean to say that I think use of steroids and other PEDs isn't dangerous; to the contrary, I have no doubt that it is.

But I don't think it's a valid argument as to why we should care about what paid professionals do. There are lots of things kids shouldn't do that are perfectly acceptable for consenting adults.

To me, the best argument is that the user may take the job of a non-user who doesn't want to jeopardize his health for the sake of his career.

by jjackflash on Dec 13, 2007 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're not very bright are you?

Kids emulate their heroes, idiot.

by SactoFan on Dec 13, 2007 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So what?

That's not the athlete's fault.

by jjackflash on Dec 13, 2007 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not emulation that's the problem

It's that folks who are using at the top exert a downward pressure on the whole sport. Utility guys who want to be regulars turn to it. Prospects trying to break into the show know this, and they start using it. Organization players trying to become legitimate prospects turn to steroids to break out of their ruts. And high school kids trying to establish a draft-level numbers in their sophomore, junior, and senior years do what it takes to improve their chances. What happens at the top reverberates downward, and because this is a career that you start preparing for the moment you can hold a bat, the incentive to start using kicks in at very, very early age. And it wrecks lives. All the time. You could ask a friend of mine about it, but he's no longer with us, probably due to what the stuff did to him

by rghan on Dec 13, 2007 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for your repsone here.

I think it very valuable.

by SactoFan on Dec 14, 2007 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

There's a difference

between kids and adults. Parents and schools have a responsibility to oversee the young'uns; adults can do as they please.

by jjackflash on Dec 14, 2007 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes and no

"To me, the best argument is that the user may take the job of a non-user who doesn't want to jeopardize his health for the sake of his career."

That is a very strong argument, but it it applies to career-minded players at every level of the sport. If kids know that steroids are unacceptable to MLB, and use of it will endanger their hope of a career, that would provide a strong incentive not to take them.

"There are lots of things kids shouldn't do that are perfectly acceptable for consenting adults."

That may apply to HGH, but taking steroids without a prescription is illegal, so it isn't perfectly acceptable for anyone. If you want to say that players should be able to take properly-prescribed steroids to assist in recovery from injury, then I'm inclined to agree.

". . .and the young lions will lock horns!" -- Ron Fairly, from an Angels telecast

by rspencer on Dec 13, 2007 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Brendan Donnelly on roids

lol

Get rid of Quinlan

by edhoo on Dec 13, 2007 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Read it yourself

http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

We'll be fine.

by ReggieBullits on Dec 13, 2007 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

D-Mac not listed...

Either that or Mitchell's drones misspelled his name. Lets get that minor league contract finalized - there is no downside here.

by rghan on Dec 13, 2007 11:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Matthews named...

...in the report; they list the evidence surrounding him, but conclude that it is insufficient to draw meaningful conclusions.

by rghan on Dec 13, 2007 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Implications that Bartolo was juicing in '05

Page 98.

He is not named as a violator and no evidence is given, but his connection to trainer Nao Presinal is noted.

We'll be fine.

by ReggieBullits on Dec 13, 2007 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Brilliant edditorial Mat

can i use that as my Christmas card greeting this year?

(you'd be credited as the source naturally)

by rbrianc on Dec 13, 2007 11:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm so glad that Vlad was not named...

I think I would have cried myself to sleep tonight if it did...

Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!

by Angel Hawker on Dec 13, 2007 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ditto

Here's hoping that goat's blood is never added to MLB's list of banned substances.

We'll be fine.

by ReggieBullits on Dec 13, 2007 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Is anyone really surprised at the players named?

by autrys cowboys on Dec 13, 2007 11:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Bart Miadich and Adam Riggs

What more proof do you people need that steroids clearly enhance performance?! Remember how Riggs and Miadich just dominated the opposition?

by LA Seitz on Dec 13, 2007 12:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

For Miadich and Riggs, it was only about making it

Major league minimum salary is in excess of $300,000. What other jobs out there could a Bart Miadich or Adam Riggs earn $300,000? For a lot of guys without the natural talent of a Bonds, they were probably thinking that taking steroids could mean the difference between being a lifetime AAAer, or being the 25th guy on a major league team making major league $$$.

by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 13, 2007 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jack Cust (pg 159)

Ut oooohhhh....

"Cust told Bigbie that he had a source who could procure anything he wanted..."

We'll be fine.

by ReggieBullits on Dec 13, 2007 12:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Here's all I'm gonna say

lots of big name Yankees stars that destroy the reputation of their 90s legacy.

No names of consequence from recent Red Sox teams.

Just sayin' is all. Take it as you will.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 13, 2007 12:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

George Mitchell's inspiration

You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!

Hoping Ervin Santana turns it around in Salt Lake. Go, Ervin!

by scareduck on Dec 13, 2007 12:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Forgive me, but. . .

ROFLMAO.

". . .and the young lions will lock horns!" -- Ron Fairly, from an Angels telecast

by rspencer on Dec 13, 2007 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The real indictment here is of Selig

Steroids found a home in baseball because of two things: Selig's fealty to his fellow owners and cowardice towards the union. His tenure as Commish has seen the league go from National Pastime to Regional Pastime. Scandals like this turn hardcore fans into fans, fans into non-fans and non-fans into football fans. This report means baseball may never become the most relevant sport in America again.

Captain, there are doubt's...

by Match Day 5 on Dec 13, 2007 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Brendan Donnelly

Has the dubious distinction of also being named in the Mitchum Report, which is a list of players who have reallly bad BO.

by Higz on Dec 13, 2007 3:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

That's odd....

....I didn't know they considered pine tar "performance enhancing".

by autrys cowboys on Dec 13, 2007 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, Brendan's had a tough year

In July he also underwent Tommy Johnson surgery, whereby ample penile tendon was harvested and grafted into his elbow -- woven in a figure-eight pattern through tunnels drilled in the humerus and ulna bones.

by Bilko 420 on Dec 13, 2007 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch

". . .and the young lions will lock horns!" -- Ron Fairly, from an Angels telecast

by rspencer on Dec 13, 2007 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

2002 World Champions

#60 - Scott Schoeneweis

#25 - Troy Glaus

The following crappy players - Don't ask don't tell:

#20 - Brad Fullmer (Ouch!)

#44 - Shawn Wooten - He looked like the Hulk by eating his cheerios

#27 - Kevin Appier (as Mrs. Appier said when asked what he'll eat - anything you put in front of him)

#18 - Alex Ochoa - the peels after the juice

#23 - Scott Spezio - End of year hero

Five of seven players not tested, no information is available. SoCal residents got juice from Tijuana's (TJs) steroid pharmacias which made these roids real easy to get. No prescriptions. There's one place that sells just after entering the main gate there's a plaza with a topless bar upstairs, well the drug store just across the plaza with the velvet Jesus murals had a contingent of body builders coming and going all day. There are no checks, no trainers, just need one group leader like Scott(s) to juice anyone who needs it, or wants it.

Its just the poor schmucks who paid with checks instead of cash that got caught.

Schoeneweiss was the team player rep to the union. Why doesn't the report speak to how many team player reps juiced? Why not track them all?

Should the 2002 World Series Champions have an asterisk?

by roidrage on Dec 13, 2007 5:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Asterisk????? NO.

As I had documented in another thread, the three players on the World Series Angels team named in the Mitchell report where associated with steroids AFTER 2002. In addition, the other players you listed are based purely on speculation.

by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 13, 2007 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What I don't get here.....

... are the juvenile attacks on Mitchell. He was just doing what baseball asked him to do, from performing the investigation to releasing the results. Go after Selig. He's the guy who has ignored this issue for so long and now acts as if it's some recent phenomenom.

by beercub on Dec 13, 2007 7:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs