Chuck Finley Future HOF ?
by Halofanatic on Dec 28, 2007 3:43 PM PST
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PrintThere is a big article on the franchise' most solid lefty. I'm one of the biggest Chuck Finley fans on this planet probably and can't me any more happier. Moreover, he is the best candidate to being the first hall of famer to go in with an Angels cap. We definitely need to get behind him and have our first representative.
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There is just no way this will happen
We just all need to rally around and vote, vote,
FIN-TO-WIN!!!!!
During my all too brief stay in SoCal...
If he gets to the hall I'll be amazed, but he will always be the best starting pitcher I saw take the mound for the Angels.
yeah....i wasn't sure who exactly was part of the
Finley rates the Hall of Very Good
- Mr. Blyleven ranks fifth all time in career strikeouts. You have seen the virtues of electing the top dozen other than the man known as Only The Lonely. [Chuck Finley is 23rd, with 2,610 K's. Only Mickey Lolich (2,832), Frank Tanana (2,773), and David Cone (2,668) are eligible players with more who are not in the Hall.]
- Mr. Blyleven ranks ninth in shutouts. You have seen the virtues of inducting the top 20 other than our subject. [Finley doesn't really cut it here, tied with umpty others for 387th with a mere 15.]
- Mr. Blyleven ranks 24th in wins. You have seen the virtues of honoring every eligible pitcher ahead of him save one. [Finley's tied for 109th with 200. However, in his defense, it should be noted that it puts him only nine behind HoFer Don Drysdale, and one back of Rube Marquard.]
- Looking at more advanced metrics, Bert Blyleven ranks 14th in Neutral Wins. You have voted in every pitcher in the top 20 other than Mr. Blyleven. [Don't know how this breaks down because B-Ref doesn't provide this stat. This also applies to the next issue raised.]
- Mr. Blyleven also ranks 17th in Runs Saved Above Average. You have enshrined every pitcher in the top 20 other than him.
- Among pitchers with 4,000 or more innings, Bert Blyleven ranks 19th in ERA vs. the league average. Once again, you have found a spot in Cooperstown for every pitcher in the top 20 other than Mr. Blyleven. [Finley's tied with HoFers Ferguson Jenkins, Phil Niekro, and Eppa Rixey with a career 115 ERA+, ranking the group 185th overall.]
In other words, there's a case that Finley's a Hall of Famer, but not a particularly compelling one, except for his strikeouts. Like Blyleven, he was hurt by pitching for bad teams, but unlike Blyleven, his other accomplishments don't make up for that.
If there was a Hall of Fame for......
But since there isn't, his likelihood is zero.
Some votes
There are 3 HOF pitchers near that number:
Candy Cummings 139.0 (supposed inventor of curveball)
Dennis Eckersley 131.5 (I think he did some closing too)
Rube Marquard 130.9 (probably the worst pitcher elected for his starting pitching)
Among HOF eligible pitchers who pitched in the 20th century, he is 70th in Fibonacci Wins, just behind Dave Steib and Rick Reuschel.
He is probably had the best Angels pitching career, but he will only get a few HOF votes at best.
P.S. I have Finley as 131st all time in pitching win shares. (He is actually a bit lower than that as at least a couple of active pitchers have passed him)
i think i've seen candy cummings...
First things first
Also, doesn't Tanana have a better case than Finley?
Tanana
Frank's career ERA was 3.66 compared to Chuck's 3.85. Frank also had more strike outs (and 236 losses). In short, neither one will make the Hall of Fame. Both were very good left-handers in their time but neither are HOFers.
some random stats
Black Ink: Pitching - 6 (363) (Average HOFer ~ 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 156 (86) (Average HOFer ~ 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 27.0 (170) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 53.5 (230) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Bly11 - Still not any where near the needed votes.
Black Ink: Pitching - 16 (131) (Average HOFer ~ 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 237 (24) (Average HOFer ~ 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 50.0 (38) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 120.5 (68) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Tanana - refernced for historical perspective.
Black Ink: Pitching - 9 (250) (Average HOFer ~ 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 85 (269) (Average HOFer ~ 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 35.0 (93) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 55.0 (221) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Orel - referenced as a contemporary - 4.4% of vote... off the ballot!
Black Ink: Pitching - 20 (88) (Average HOFer ~ 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 129 (130) (Average HOFer ~ 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 34.0 (101) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 90.5 (117) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.
The only one who has surpassed any of the supposed barriers is Bly11, and he is still having a tough time making a case. Finley was a wonderful pitcher, but not even close to a HOFer.
Explanations for each of these standard can be found at baseball reference dot com.
by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 30, 2007 2:43 PM PST reply actions
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I'm a small hall guy. I don't think any of them deserve to gain entrance. I like Ripken and Gwynn, but to me they meant so much more to baseball and their teams than any of the other guys on the ballot.
by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 31, 2007 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
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