Question re: Tim Salmon

by Salmonella on Mar 25, 2007 7:17 PM PDT

Will Salmon have his jersey retired?

I know that April 2nd is Tim Salmon Day and that fans will receive a bobblehead of him, but will his jersey be retired that night? I can't exactly remember. Thanks in advance.

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April 2nd

is opening day...schedule magnet
April 3 is Tim Salmon bobblehead night.

by angelstar on Mar 25, 2007 7:30 PM PDT reply actions

D'oh! I meant April 3rd, thanks for the catch.

by Salmonella on Mar 25, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions

UC Irvine did a little story on Timmy

if anyone was interested, my school's newspaper did an interview with Mr. Salmon:

http://www.newu.uci.edu/showArticle.php?id=5585

He talks about Eckstein and volunteer work.

And for the record, I say retire the number

by Hutch (someone took my name) on Mar 26, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm an 'Eater too

#24 in the country baby! Zot, zot, zot!!!

by Salmonella on Mar 26, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions

ill be there

there hasn't been any official word on whether his jersey will be retired which makes you think no, but my gut (and tickets, and autographed jersey) say yes.

retire number fifteen.

by rowast on Mar 25, 2007 9:32 PM PDT reply actions

FWIW, I support him getting his jersey retired as I'm sure most of the people here at HH feel the same way.
I'm sure Rev Halofan will post an update as soon as he finds out the date/time. I love this site, I'm still a newbie...

by Salmonella on Mar 25, 2007 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Meh

For a team that hadn't won anything through 2001, retiring the jersey of Tim Salmon seems... overkill, especially since he's not Cooperstown bound. I mean, I can live with it if it happens — he's got the Mister Angel tag, and deserves it. That said, the Angels retired 11 (Jim Fregosi), 26 (Gene Autry), and 50 (Jimmy Reese) essentially as a gold watch. Personally, I'd like to limit retired numbers to players who are in the Hall of Fame, or have a plausible argument as to why they should be there. (I have no problem, for instance, with Ron Santo's #10 flag on the left field foul pole at Wrigley.)

The Yankees hardly ever retire player numbers, and have 14, of which six (Roger Maris, Billy Martin, Don Mattingly, Thurman Munson, Elston Howard, and Ron Guidry) are all aliens to Cooperstown; the Dodgers have ten, only one of which is not in Cooperstown, Gil Hodges; the Cardinals, who own more World Series jewelry than any other National League team, have eight numbers retired, of whom only Ken Boyer has not had his ticket punched by the BBWAA or the Veteran's Committee.

My point is that the Angels claim to be acting like an organization that expects success. Fine. I'm not sure they advance that cause by retiring Salmon's number. Other successful organizations, most notably the Yankees, retire the numbers of individuals who haven't had Hall-grade careers, but it seems to me that traveling down that path is an indicator of mediocrity. More, it means that the majority of the retired numbers are attached to non-Hall players. It has the vague aroma of a certain level of insecurity.

Fire Mickey Hatcher. An entire generation of Angels offense depends upon it.

by scareduck on Mar 26, 2007 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions

I'm not sure I understood it all

But there is definitely some pantherism going on here...

Thank you for your insight, scareduck. So the new Spring Training hotel's internet service blew, right?

by Bilko 420 on Mar 26, 2007 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions

Yeah

Generally got a nickle-and-dime attitude about it that was probably caused by a tech decision they made a while beforehand. I mean, I don't entirely blame them for the direction they took, but ... jeez. Get over yourselves, guys.

But the worst has to be Hyatt. I have no idea what their Internet policies are, but back when I traveled extensively for work, they used to pull stunts like mandatory valet parking for your car, and charging you for it, too... outrageous charges to external 800 numbers, even though these didn't cost the hotel anything, this in the day when the only way to make long distance calls was with phone cards. Real robbers. I've never stayed with them for any reason since.

Fire Mickey Hatcher. An entire generation of Angels offense depends upon it.

by scareduck on Mar 26, 2007 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions

Totally Disagree

Gil Hodges has company Rob, unless you can name the year was Jim Gilliam elected to Cooperstown?

HOF = Federal Government

Team = States Rights

Because fewer players have their jerseys retired than make the HOF, it is not necessarily a BIGGER honor, but it is a better honor, it says you made a the greatest impact on the local level.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 26, 2007 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions

Right about Hodges

... but having the majority of your retired numbers be non-Hall guys? It's already true, and it would make the ratio 2:1 not counting Robinson.

Fire Mickey Hatcher. An entire generation of Angels offense depends upon it.

by scareduck on Mar 26, 2007 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions

Er, make that Gilliam

Fire Mickey Hatcher. An entire generation of Angels offense depends upon it.

by scareduck on Mar 26, 2007 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions

scareduck?

by Bilko 420 on Mar 26, 2007 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions

do a 180

by Rev Halofan on Mar 26, 2007 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions

With so many deabtes about the HOF

How does this sound:

The Chicago Cubs were forced today to enact the McMillin statute and give Rookie Feix Pie Ron Santo's jeresey number. No ceremonies were allowed.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 26, 2007 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions

Scareduck...

You just totally changed my mind on the whole Tim Salmon retiring number thing. Great argument.

Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!

by Angel Hawker on Mar 26, 2007 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions

Word is

the jersey is getting retired April but what the heck do I know?

by Rev Halofan on Mar 25, 2007 11:25 PM PDT reply actions

Retire it

The Angels have had a bunch of HOF guys - Ryan, Carew, Jackson, Winfield, and several guys just one rung down - Grich, John, Blyleven, Lynn.

But I wouldn't make a case to retire any of their numbers. Here's where I'd put players:

HOF career, full career with Angels - definite, but we don't have anyone like that
Very good/great career, short of HOF, all with Angels - I would strongly consider players that fit this category for retiring a number, and Salmon is the first (GA probably the second, hopefully we'll keep Lackey, K-Rod, and Howie long enough to go here to.
HOF career, part with Angels. I say no to this group, but so far we've only had HOF guys after their prime, or they left too soon (Ryan). If Vlad finishes his HOF career with the Angels, we can Retire #27.

Brian Downing did enough for this franchise that I'd like to see #5 retired too. I hate seeing it worn by players like Amezaga and Mathis.

If I went to war and could only take one weapon, it would be an HK47.

by RallyMonkey5 on Mar 26, 2007 8:48 AM PDT reply actions

Totally agree on #5

by Rev Halofan on Mar 26, 2007 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions

How can I not agree?

#5 kicked butt...

'86 never happened!

by Downing Rules on Mar 26, 2007 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions

#5

Why dont we ever hear anything about Downing? He was such a great Angel, but totally disappeared after his playing days...does anyone have an update on Downing?

Lets win with what we got!!!

by P237 on Mar 26, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Just scoured the internet...

The last thing I find is that he made an appearance early April (opening day?) in 2005 with his son, who had recently returned from duty in Iraq. His son threw out the first pitch on the division title flag raising day.

I certainly would like to know where he is and give him a high-five! He was one of my heroes growing up.

There is also a post from Rev here at HH on Downing's 55th birthday in 2005 that appeared on the search engines.

Let's hope he's not in Daryl Sconiers' neighborhood...LINK

'86 never happened!

by Downing Rules on Mar 26, 2007 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions

oh hell no

he is a good family guy riding his harley near home in New Mexico.

by Rev Halofan on Mar 26, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions

Ryan left too soon?!?!

Not before throwing 4 no-hitters (2 in one season), multiple one-hitters, and setting a MLB record and some team records that may never be broken.

In my opinion, #30 is the only retired number that is a no-brainer.

Bring back Al Wisk!!!

by Sixtyminuteman on Mar 26, 2007 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions

My two cents

Retire it.

He is definitely short of the HOF, and truthfully that makes sense.

However, consider everything he has done for the Angels AND the community and it completely changes the equation. Where as the HOF is purely based on the player's on-field performance, I think we can safely say that between what Salmon did on-field and what he has done (and continues to do) off-the-field for the community justifies the honor of retiring #15.

by 101halo on Mar 26, 2007 1:07 PM PDT reply actions

I say retire it.

I bought crappy tickets for that night just in case...

I need a new signature.

by thrill000 on Mar 26, 2007 2:03 PM PDT reply actions

me too

Salmon for prom king!

by Higz on Mar 26, 2007 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions

don't retire it

i agree with ducky on this one. at the very least, give it a few years to brew, to put some context to it. then we'll see if it still holds its flavor.

by yeswecan on Mar 26, 2007 2:41 PM PDT reply actions

hey so you think

that kid tanana is gonna be any good?

by Rev Halofan on Mar 26, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions

he's already done

just like salmon.

by yeswecan on Mar 26, 2007 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions

If #15 jersey retires, then so does #16

While I love both players and appreciate all they brought to the table in 2002, I do not think that either deserves to have his jersey retired.

But, if they do retire the Kingfish's number, certainly, GA's #16 should follow. Maybe even throw in Spiezio's #23 just based on the Game 6 homer by itself.

'86 never happened!

by Downing Rules on Mar 26, 2007 5:36 PM PDT reply actions

Retire it

I have more respect for #11. 5, 15, 16 than all those HOFers who are wearing other caps.

Fregosi, Downing, Salmon, and some day GA (even if he doesn't run out his last ground ball) -- all true blue Angels and not hired guns (although it still po's me that Ryan is wearing a Ranger cap in the HOF...the others I understand).

#27 may be our first HOFer (w/ a cap) and retired number.

Feels like the 1970's all over again. <sigh>

by Moondoggy on Mar 27, 2007 8:35 AM PDT reply actions