Replaceable?
Angel Position Players ranked in the order of their ease in being replaced
1. Shea Hillenbrand - Can't Field, Can't Hit.
2. Tommy Murphy - Switch Hitting Outfielder still needs AAA seasoning - no standout skill, save for getting Vlad off his knees once a week.
3. Robb Quinlan - Average though versatile glove, Can't hit righties, below average bat with a little power, no speed.
4. Chone Figgins - A mirror image of Quinlan - Average Glove in a versatile role, alleged switch-hitter who can't hit lefties, below average bat with no power but still has good to great speed. Atrocious bunter.
5. Garret Anderson - Oh sure, he is a baseball God "when healthy" - won't be healthy before he is AARP-eligible. A singles hitting good Left Fielder who - like anyone put in the 4th or 5th spot - gets a lot of RBIs.
6. Jose Molina - League average catcher with good to great defense, loved by his pitchers, best bunter on the face of the Earth and in the top ten on 4 other planets.
7. Erick Aybar - Good to great glove, good to great speed, switch-hitting singles hitter.
8. Kendry Morales - Good hitter, better fielder than advertised but only at one position, power. Young and streaky.
9. Maicer Izturis - Good to great glove, good speed, switch-hitting singles hitter who sprinkles in doubles to the gap.
10. Howie Kendrick - We are in First place without him, so it is assumed he would (and soon will) be closer to "irreplacable" here. He cannot be too far from positive impact - he is as good or better on D as Kennedy and the bat is sweeter than a stash of halloween candy in November.
11. Reggie Willits - Desperation to stick has manifested as determination. Classic sparkplug role in the lineup.
12. Mike Napoli - Bad defense is compensated by harmonious relations with pitchers, OBP and pop, albeit streaky oomph, in the bat.
13. Orlando Cabrera - Good to great defender, above average hitter, glue in the clubhouse, Vlad's best friend - and please tell the stat-heads that shit like being a bridge between the latin and americano players matters.
14. Casey Kotchman - Good to great defender, good hitter who slips into bad habits and slumps, but who works back out of it.
15. Gary Matthews - Defense has been just fine and the bat has impressed those of us who smack-talked this signing like tragic high comedy. Happy to eat crow as long as soars like an eagle.
16. Vladimir Guerrero - IRREPLACABLE ... the franchise... we go as far as he takes us.
So this gives us an ideal Lineup/Fielding of:
C-Napoli
1B-Kotchman
2B-Kendrick
3B-Izturis
SS-Cabrera
LF-Willits
CF-Matthews
RF-Vlad
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by Rev Halofan on May 21, 2007 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Howie
by tommyinsb on May 21, 2007 10:16 PM PDT reply actions
I agree with the assessment of most of the players
Some points of contention:
-Why is GMJ the second hardest person to replace on this list? As far as I'm concerned, we have a Darin Erstad clone in Reggie Willits with a fine glove and plus speed and good to great bat speed. Bunting needs work, but with his determination, he should pass up JoMo's supernatural bunting skillset soon.
-We have literal doubles on the team. Sometimes triples. Tommy Murphy and Reggie Willits, despite Willits' recent breakout rookie bat, are almost identical fielders and are slap hitters, but Murphy having more pop in his bat, while Willits has more average. Aybar, Maicer, Chone. All are literally the exact same player. Kotchman and Morales are eerily similar, with Kotchman clearly beating Morales's leather, more on that later.
-Maicer had 14 errors in 101 games, 13 at 3rd base. Extrapolated to 162 games on the season, that's approximately 22-23 errors. He is not a good to great glove so much as he is a defensive liability in fundamentals. Keep in mind that Chone played nearly every game last season at 6 positions and only had 2 more errors (1 at 2nd, 10 at 3rd, 5 in CF).
-Napoli as valued as he is. He is simply a stinkfest, minus his rapport with pitchers. He has power, but it's sparse and it appears MLB pitchers have learned to avoid where he can utilize said power. He has TERRIBLE bat speed, though he has an excellent eye, so he balances his OBP a bit that way. His arm is garbage, as his 4 for 24 caught stealing percentage of .143 would indicate. Granted, he's a second year who surpassed our biggest catching prospect of Mathis who is adjusting to the league, but is there ANY indication that he actually is adjusting at all? He appears to be staying consistently bad, but not getting worse or better. In all this, I think "4th most unreleasable roster position player" is far too generous.
-Where does Morales fit on this team? We have better in house DH options, honestly. He needs to play as a position player, but Kotchman excels past him with his leather, and it appears they're about the same with their lumber. Is there any way to convert him to a 3b? Is he too slow?
-I like Aybar, a lot, but I don't see any place for him on the team. Can we package him and a young prospect pitcher for a big bat? Can we do that with Maicer instead?
Also, some other points I can't really bring up, though I do have contention with them as well are apparently.
- GA is a DH in the making. His old cranky legs and groin are going to be persistent problems, though it appears his back problems have minimized. He is more irreplaceable than 4th, but he needs a new role. His role entirely depends on whether one believes his bat will return or if he's in for a career ending slump. Obviously rev thinks the latter, while I maintain my faith in the former. Call me a loyalist, but I'd rather see GA retire an Angel than in another uniform somewhere else in the league.
- GMJ is bound for exactly one of two options: he will excel and be worth every single penny of 50 million we give him, or he will expose himself as the steroid/HGH pumping fraud people believed him to be prior to the season. I obviously hope for the former, but believe our hopes are floating right now.
- Howie Kendrick, Brandon Wood, and Casey Kotchman are the future faces of the Angels franchise, in terms of position playing anyway. To me, they are just as irreplaceable as Vladdy as they provide us what distinguishes us from the Bronx Bombers or BoSox: young, homegrown talent instead of purchased talent. However, this list can (And possibly will) change. For instance last year Jeff Mathis was on it as well.
by shiftyeyedgoat on May 21, 2007 10:41 PM PDT reply actions
Well...
If any of our young players is irreplacable as Vlad it is Dallas McPherson - get it? Until they are proven they are good, maybe great, but they are not Vladdie-Great...
There is no Angel catcher at any level, and few in baseball, who compares to Mike Napoli's total package. This si a comment on the paucity of catchers, not the greatness of Napster.
I believe that Izturis is superior to Figgins and we will pay the price for thinking otherwise...
Willits has been great for a mont now, let's enjoy it without anointing him American League MVP of the decade, cool? And the more I see of Willits, the less there is to compare him to Tommy Murphy.
by Rev Halofan on May 21, 2007 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
True on the Rookies
With what ive seen so far I might even say Terry Evans is the biggest power bat we have in our farm system right now. This is how i would rank the bats....AVG 2B 3B HR RBI (Level) Pos
#1 Evans .331 14 3 6 27 (AAA)OF
#2 Haynes .399 8 6 4 31 (AAA)OF
#3 S-Rod .252 9 0 6 22 (AA)SS/2B
#4 Wood .233 8 0 5 21 (AAA)SS/3B
#5 Pettit .341 16 0 4 20 (Low-A)OF
#6 Renz .265 7 0 7 28 (A)OF
#7 Hank .260 6 0 6 17 (Low-A)C
I know its a small sample size but thats how i would rank them.
Que opinan?
How about McPherson?
This is list is dealing with what we got NOW, not the presents that Santa may or may not leave under the tree...
by Rev Halofan on May 21, 2007 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
no way is Rodriguez better than WOOD
Rodriguez is away from the Cal League and is playing about as i'd expect him too. He's autility guy. Wood will be an All-Star.
by rbrianc on May 22, 2007 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions
D-Mac
With Wood on the other hand, i see a lot of projections for him to be an All-Star.
At this age, Wood is in AAA and had a cup of coffee in the bigs, while Dallas was still at The Citadel.
by rbrianc on May 22, 2007 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I said MIGHT........Relax Hummie
Napoli
Does batting .344 over the last two weeks count? Along with four doubles and two home runs in his last nine games? Looks like an adjustment to me.
Even with his slow start, Napoli's OPS+ is 101. Defensively, he has struggled, but I think he's simply in a throwing slump. He wasn't this bad last year. If he can get his CS% back to last year's level (31%), he'll be fine as an overall package.
by johnnyangel101 on May 22, 2007 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Nipples and JoMo
A couple of things tho, the typical catcher is a weaker hitter than just about any other position. There are only about 5 good hitting catchers in baseball, and Nipples is in that next group down maybe like the 8th best hitting catcher in baseball. (I'm talking about over the last few years, a third of a seaon's stats are not really enough to tell you anything).
JoMo though is just awful as a hitter, and automatic out versus RHP, and maybe the worst hitting catcher that keeps getting AB's over the last few years. Don't get me wrong, I like having him as our backup, but he is nowhere near average as a hitter, and you can't let him swing away in a key spot against RHP.
Very informative analysis
by Kenny Katella on May 21, 2007 10:47 PM PDT reply actions
Will have that sometime later this week
and i'm gettin' old...
by Rev Halofan on May 21, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
FIGGINS
"AT least Quinlan can get on base Figgins can't even do that and you can't steal bases when you're striking out like stupid Figgy!!!"
She was RAGING!!!
Gotta agree with the girlfriend Rev
Name one thing Figgy does well besides steal bases (which he does very well)? Can't steal 1st, can't bunt, can't hit a simple groundball to take advantage of that speed, can't field a groundball, took terrible routes to flyballs last season in CF, and K's every chance he gets. Oh wait, I thought of something he does well...he can hit a can of corn with the best of them!
Figgy needs to play 2b for someone else asap! Package him up with Colon to an NL team for sunflower seeds, a bucket of balls, and a case of copenhagen! Get something for Fat Bart b4 he falls apart again! Pray that Figgy gets hot and his trade value goes up so we get more than the above...
Quinlan's bat is below average?
While one could argue that Quinlan's bat is below average, you could also argue that we've never really given Q the opportunity to prove whether he can or not. When was the last time Q got the kind of consistent playing time Shea Hillenbrand or Steve Finley have gotten? Not once since 2004, and we all know what he did then.
His bat might be "replaceable" in the sense that we never use him except against lefties, but there's hardly enought evidence to call him below-average IMO.
May I suggest a different metric. Runs + RBI/G
Call this statistic production per game:
Vlad is 1.46 career
Glaus is 1.35 career
Garrett is 1.22 career
Rivera is 1.18 career
Nap is 1.16 career (0.95 this year)
Katrina is 1.12 career
Erstad is 1.12 career
Matthews is 1.08 career
Q is 1.06 career
OC is 1.02 career
Figgy is 1.02 career
Willits is 0.99 career
Maicer 0.97 career
Kotch is 0.95 career
Kendry is 0.94 career
Kendrick is 0.87 career
I imagine Kendry and Kendrick don't have enough ABs to merit a statistical comparison but it's interesting to me how we magnify what a player is doing lately. Obviously Vladdy is nails but Garrett is a lot more productive than you realize.
I didn't have time to do them all but:
Vlad 1.60
Matthews 1.24
Garrett 1.19
katrina 0.77
by melvintoast on May 22, 2007 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Carrer numbers
Bottom Line: The team would sufer more losing Cabrera than losing Quinlan, among other rankings here...
by Rev Halofan on May 22, 2007 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't really argue with you BUT
by melvintoast on May 22, 2007 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I think
by Rev Halofan on May 22, 2007 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Not certain the best way to do it
RBI = Misleading
Look at power. Look at OBP. Those numbers will tell you how productive a hitter is, as opposed to how productive his teammates are.
OPS is for losers
sorry ... forgot to format
We're 11th in OPS but 6th in runs
Team OPS and winning pct in the AL the last number is rank in terms of runs scored:
1 Bo Sox 682 2
2 Tigers 628 1
3 Yanks 465 3
4 Indians 643 4
5 Rangers 400 5
6 BJays 442 9
7 Devil Rays 419 10
8 As 500 7
9 Mariners 475 13
10 Twins 455 8
11 Angels 600 6
12 Orioles 455 11
13 Royals 378 12
14 ChiSox 537 14
And of those four
The point was and is, using RBI to measure hitting prowess is stupid, pure and simple, because it does not reflect an ability to do anything.
Slugging percentage measures power.
OBP shows how often a batter fails to make an out.
Stick a pitcher who doesn't strike out very often in the cleanup spot and he'll get his share of RBI.
Gosh, how can a sentient human being not recognize this?
And if you are
Looking closer
The top five OPS teams are the top five in runs scored. Last in OPS is last in runs scored. 13th in OPS is 12th in runs scored. Twelfth in OPS is 11th in runs scored. Eighth in OPS is 7th in runs scored.
And you claim there is no correlation?
Well there's a correlation between slugging and
Mariners are 9 in OPS and 13 in runs.
Jays are 6th in OPS and 9th in runs.
I don't have time today but I'll try to see if I can come up with some stats on RBIs per PA with men on.
two very good things about this list
- Vlad.
- Youth - half the list has two years or less under their belt, and they're all off to decent starts, enough to be on a 1st place club anyways, and hold their own. And we have enough some left over on the farm too in Evans/Wood in an emergency.
by rbrianc on May 22, 2007 12:57 AM PDT reply actions
Woody the Wood
Why did they bring Figgins up from AAA? Why not leave him there till he could be 3 for 4 and steal bases consistently? Otherwise he's absolutely useless.
Same with Hillenbrand or with any of the other turkeys on the team. Let them play in the minors until they can prove they belong and if there's a spot and they're better than the current player then put them in. But face it, the pitching and defense is better this year but the production is not enough to qualify for the pageant winner.
So it's capitalist Latin macho pride from the owner that pays a lot for mediocre players. Then he won't admit it and he forces the fans to sit there and take it instead of sending them down to Arkansas or Orem or CuKoomonga to face their real talents and get their jerk off habits in order.
by roidrage on May 22, 2007 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
While I hope the best for Evans and Haynes, they are most likely AAAA players. Wood is still a prospect with tremendous upside.
Sure, Wood has struggled. Maybe he isn't going to live up to his hype, but consider how his season has gone:
"Hey, kid, how 'bout trying a new position?"
"Hey, Wood, we need more sunflower seeds!"
"You did so well last time with the sunflower seeds, we thought we'd bring you back..."
"Welcome to AAA, kid. So your timing is a little off and you're batting against pitchers ten years older than you - you're still batting cleanup tonight! But there's no pressure..."
by johnnyangel101 on May 22, 2007 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh Boy
With respect to Figgins, he was on a rehab assignment. They couldn't just leave him down in AAA indefinitely. Rehab assignments are limited to about 15 days, I believe.
Same with Hillenbrand. You can't send him down; you can only bench him or release him. Personally, I'd be willing to cut the string, but you need to understand the implications of major league contracts before you start suggesting roster changes. You really shouldn't write about things when you have no understanding of how the system works.
Finally, I'm still trying to decide whether to dignify with any response your disgusting racist comment about an American-born citizen who served in this nation's armed forces.
Give Q the start at 3ed tonight and let
by I am a fair weather fan so the halos better win on May 22, 2007 9:48 AM PDT reply actions
GA is too low on the list
He's a below average fielder and a below average hitter at this point in his career. Since he signed the 4 year extension, he hasn't had one year where he batter above .800 OPS. The only reason he would be a candidate to DH here is that our other choices are utterly pathetic.
GA should be #1 or #2. With $12 million a year, we could easily improve on his production.
by akathelorax @ Halos Heaven on May 22, 2007 10:18 AM PDT reply actions

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