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Parallels and Perspective regarding Black Magic

 I can understand everybody's frustration with Santana given that he's virtually a guaranteed "L" on the road unless he's given ALOT of run support.

  At the same time one cannot forget he's almost as equally a sure "W" at home, and if he's our 5th starter, .500 is better than 90% of the MLB competition. Furthermore Black Magic has MUCH better stuff and upside than ANY 5th starter in MLB save for maybe Hughes(when he's healthy again) and Lincecum.

  His numbers so far this season are simply more of the same as for his career and are somewhat skewed due to the fact that he has 5 road starts vs. only 4 home starts. Reverse those figures and his ERA is probably only a hair above his career ERA prior to the 2007 season (4.42). Furthermore, prior to 2007 Ervin had 31 starts at home vs. only 25 on the road so the sky isn't so much falling, but rather staying the same shade of grey so to speak.

  While trying to search for answers here it behooves one remember that Ervin is ONLY 24 years old, the age that many top pitching prospects are first getting their feet wet. It is also a full year younger than our current Ace, "Thunder Mountain" John Lackey was when he posted this line over the course of April/May 2004:

W/L: 3-6
ERA: 5.95

Those number are virtually IDENTICAL to Ervin's YTD line of:

W/L: 3-5
ERA: 6.00

And Ervin has 1 more home start with which to improve on those numbers.

Let's not lose perspective here. Santana is still a very young pitcher with great stuff whose only problem so far has been a mental one in that for some reason he's comfortable at the Big A and uncomfortable everywhere else while Lackey's problems in early 2004 were less Home/Road centric.

I still think it's too early to tell whether or not he's just another young arm who needs to make adjustments while going through a tough patch or a full-scale basket-case a la Ankiel/Wohlers.

My money is on somewhere in the middle. I do agree that he could use a bit of time in AAA or the bullpen (better option) to get his head on straight while Saunders steps in for awhile.

It is NOT the time to move him since we'd most definitely be selling low. Even if he stays in the rotation and pitches .500 ball for the rest of the regular season, he can be of value in the postseason so long as Sosh has the foresight to align the rotation in such a way that Ervin only starts at the Big-A.

 

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Is it really the road...?
Or is it his lacking mental makeup? Or is it just string of coincidence after coincidence that he blows up away from the Big A? The frank response is that we have to trust the management to deliver us quality pitching -- as they have under Scioscia's/Stoneman's tenure -- and will discard where they feel necessary -- see Ramon Ortiz, Aaron Sele, Washburn, JC Romero, Donkey, Appier (shudder). They are watching him far more closely and analyzing every facet of his pitching game more thoroughly and effectively than we armchair managers ever could. If the Angels management believes in Santana for now in his sophomore year as a cemented 5th starter, I have to trust them based on their laurels in keeping effective pitchers.

by shiftyeyedgoat on May 24, 2007 3:18 PM PDT reply actions  

All of the players you listed
Were in their early to mid 30's at the time of their jettisoning.
DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on May 24, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mental Makeup
Santana's mental makeup in Game 5 of the 2005 DS vs. the Yankees seemed pretty good.

by akathelorax @ Halos Heaven on May 24, 2007 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

i believe
that was a home game

by CaLiKrAzY on May 25, 2007 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

at night
technically he came into the game at dusk, but stil...

by Rev Halofan on May 25, 2007 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

TRADE SANTANA
FOR ANOTHER 5th STARTER!!!

Santana for

Jeff Weaver, Seattle
Jonathan Sanchez, Giants
Chad Billingsley, Dodgers
Matt Garza, Twins
Mike Pelfrey, Mets\

LO LGOOGOGOG

by Pwn on May 24, 2007 7:01 PM PDT reply actions  

well written post
16 wins last year...giving up is a little premature. Although the predictability of his suckiness on the road sure stinks.

by thewebb on May 24, 2007 9:25 PM PDT reply actions  

He's a fucking Milquetoast out there
No confidence, no swagger, no game.  He needs demotion STAT, whether to AAA or to the darkest annals of the bullpen.

by PieceOfAase on May 25, 2007 2:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't get the logic involved
in declaring him an "almost as equally a sure 'W' at home".  If he loses EVERY game on the road, and SOME games at home, that's a losing record.
Ervin Santana To AAA! (But only for road games.)

by scareduck on May 25, 2007 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Actually
He wins on the road more often than he loses at home.

Home: 22-6, 231 IP, 3.00 ERA - In about a full season's worth of starts, looks like a Cy Young candidate.

Road: 9-16, 6.98

If I went to war and could only take one weapon, it would be an HK47.

by RallyMonkey5 on May 25, 2007 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's career
This year he has lost every single road start.  He lost his start against Cleveland at home on May 8.  Small sample size it all you want, it's getting to be bigger and bigger every start.
Ervin Santana To AAA! (But only for road games.)

by scareduck on May 25, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

No you're wrong
He got a ND in Texas. His loss to Cleveland was a QS as well.

Bottom line is that if his number of home and road starts were flipped in favor of home games, we wouldn't be having this discussion, or at least not anymore than we've had the past year+.

Colon was on pace to go 30-0 before his little hiccup at Comerica the other night too.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on May 25, 2007 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't Forget
Ervin's oss int eh rain in KC where he took a shutout into the 7th only to see a light hitting nobody clobber a slippery fastball for a three-run homer - offense was asleep at the wheel, quality start becomes a big L...

by Rev Halofan on May 25, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zero Chance to win on the road
He can't even keep us in the game at this point.
I'm giving Figgins a big F U.

by hauldog on May 25, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't Detroit the #1 offense in the AL?
Sometimes it's not where you play, but WHO you play...
"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know" - Bill Parcells

by johnnyangel101 on May 25, 2007 3:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Ordonez was seen as the description...
in the dictionary for the word "FIRE".

Dude was just hitting Ervin and our pitchers like it was freakin' BP.

'86 never happened!

by Downing Rules on May 25, 2007 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the luxuries of winning
Is being able to exercise patience as some of your young talent goes through their inevitable struggles.

A lot of people on this site were ready to give up on Casey Kotchman and Mike Napoli not too long ago, and now they're giving us .275/.342/.437 and .253/.324/.495, respectively.

You don't finish second in the league in opponents' batting average at age 23 without having considerable talent and upside. We should be building toward a best-case scenario, instead of panicking when a temporary worst-case manifests in one player with a high ceiling.

I am much more worried that we have a low-ceiling, punchless, erratic starting 3Bman; and a bench with zero power, than I am about Santana being wild in the strike zone for the first one-third of 2007.

by mattwelch on May 25, 2007 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

If you watch Napoli
he just flat out can't hit. He looks like he can but he has a hole in his bat and swings right through. When he hits the ball he looks amazed he actually made contact! And yes, he's hot now but he'll cool off. Compared to Shay though he's a STUD.

by CaLiKrAzY on May 25, 2007 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except for that whole part about....
... how for the past 162 games, he's provided better offense than any Angel catcher since Lance Parrish.

by mattwelch on May 25, 2007 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you
Naps is currently 3rd on the team in OPS, just a tick behind HK.
DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on May 26, 2007 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

considering we're NOT
an ops type of team, he looks damn good.

by CaLiKrAzY on May 26, 2007 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

kotch and napoli are coming around
oioioi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlTvSUCCqPo

by ANewFoundThrice on May 25, 2007 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Stoneman will dump Santana
Before the trade deadline if he doesn't improve. We have too much depth to carry him into September.

by melvintoast on May 27, 2007 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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