Poseur Thug Life: Sympathy for the Dodgers Fan

by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 8:44 PM PDT in News

When Yankee fans and Dodger fans and Red Sox fans overrun Angels' home games, there is nonstop bitching from the Halo faithful about the disrespectful trash that blew into our house.

And so we must take any criticism of rude and brash Dodger fans in Dodger Stadium lightly - it is THEIR friggin' dilapidated house, their lard-ass fans, their awkward logo from another coast and time and never-in-fashion team color, their absurd Hollywood-Sign style slogan to THINK Blue when every fan there inevitably FEELS blue not knowing their revolving door players/management/ownership, all after paying $15 to park and join a certain traffic jam.

So the Dodger fans are thuggish and in yo' face - oh boo hoo, we are worthy of their scorn, Angel Fans. Our team has 6 players who have been on the roster since 2002. Our team has won a playoff series in recent memory. Our team has a ring from a year that Duran Duran was not at the forefront of Pop Culture. Our team has 51 more runs scored than their's after an offseason of being scolded by the Dodger, er, Los Angeles Times that we needed a big bat.

They are blue, they are bitter, they are bastards. What part of this is so difficult to comprehend that we would express shock and/or dismay at their hissing from a cornered-squirrel position. To go into their house and leave with anything less than a black eye, a fat lip and a well-pitched victory would cheapen how far they have sunk, how high we have risen and how terrible the house that Garvey seeded remains...

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it's jealousy

every time those jackasses chant "An-gels suck!" reminds me now much of an inferiority complex they have these days. the only way they can feel better about their sorry franchise is to hurl playground insults toward the team on top.

by yeswecan on Jun 17, 2007 12:38 AM PDT 0 recs

Seriously...

Who cares about the Dodgers? Kings? And Kobe?

by cupie on Jun 17, 2007 12:49 AM PDT 0 recs

Amen

You made my day, Rev.

by MsBlondine22 on Jun 17, 2007 1:02 AM PDT 0 recs

so true

Oh, this is so well put. Well done, Rev.

"lard ass fans" made me laugh out loud!

With win-win-win, we all win!

by lightupthehalo on Jun 17, 2007 1:02 AM PDT 0 recs

A commentary that would make Grantland

Rice rise up and cheer. Little brother has now surpassed the aging bigger bully and is now resolutely kicking its ass!

by PieceOfAase on Jun 17, 2007 1:57 AM PDT 0 recs

Thugs

I grew up in Brooklyn and saw Jackie Robinson steal home plate as a kid. I saw the Dodgers leave town and rooted for Koufax and Drysdale when they were in the World Series.

I moved to OC in the 70s and have been to one Dodger game. I was scared shitless. Parking the car and trying to get to the seat was like crossing the freeway. Leaving was like fighting off a gang full of Mexicans with those long shorts with their underwear showing and bandannas with knives. One guy was killed that knight stabbed to death in the parking lot.

I don't see why any person from the O.C. would go there. The number of gangs and lack of security is a tremendous risk. Riding the 110 or even the 5 freeway should discourage anyone. And forcing a person to have to park in the lot for $15...No choice there...well screw that. At lease at Angel Stadium you could park up near Howell and walk or pay $5 or $8.

If you do go wear your body armor and good tennis shoes and you better speak Spanish and don't have a wallet and don't carry any cash. Those mother fuckers will get you when you're not looking. Drunken thugs...beware, try and stay away. Let them shove their Dodger dogs up Vin Scully's ass.

by roidrage on Jun 17, 2007 2:35 AM PDT 0 recs

Very interesting post...

I'm probably about 20 years younger than you, and feel that going to Dodger games as a kid (in the late 70s, early 80s) was never like it is now.

When did things take a turn for the worse?

It's sad really. Vin Scully is the only holdout from the 'good ol' days.'

I've lived in OC, LA, OC then LA again. LA is one huge crap hole now... I don't know what's happened. I've got to say that OC is a great place to live/grow up, conducive to a pleasant daily being.

by Red on Jun 17, 2007 3:17 AM PDT up 0 recs

I blame Al Davis

the thug element that nce followed the Raiders follows the Dodgers. It evolved toward this in the last ten years or so...

by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 11:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

This has more to do with location, than mentality.

Angel Stadium - nice area.

Dodger Stadium - not so nice area.

Angel Stadium - nice people in surrounding area.

Dodger Stadium - not so nice people in surrounding area.

Take the family into a gang related area, expect to come across some thugs.

by bc56274 on Jun 17, 2007 3:32 AM PDT 0 recs

Wow...

<Dodger Stadium - not so nice people in surrounding area. Take the family into a gang related area, expect to come across some thugs.>

You sure have bought that whole "fear mongering" thing. Hook, line and sinker!

People are people. Yeah, there are bad folks but the VAST majority of people are not going to jump you or kill you. The people that live near Chavez Latrine are not bad people and to assume that people are "not so nice" based on dress, locality, economical position, etc. is just not cool - read quasi-racist.

Don't buy our government's party line about fear - that is how they keep you worried about terrorism 6 years after 9/11. If you stay afraid, you keep voting for and condoning the limitations of our rights.

I am one cynical bastard - I generally think people are pretty dim bulbs as a whole - but I always find individuals to be much more engaging than I would have ever expected.

I have been to a lot of Dodger games and never had a REAL reason to be frightened. Sorry your experiences have been different.

Jimmuscomp

Haloville- Land of the Angels
Homepage

by jimmuscomp on Jun 17, 2007 6:37 AM PDT up 0 recs

I liive down the street from Dodger Stadium

and I will not walk on the streets at night. But I AM a big wuss. But c'mon down to Lincoln Heights and be a neighborhood greeter any time you want!

by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

Well, that's the other side of the Rio

by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

If the surrounding Dodger Stadium is a safe area..

I would hate to see what you consider unsavory.

And if being afraid of gangbangers, graffiti, and crime make me a racist....so be it.

by bc56274 on Jun 17, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

In parts of LA...

"safe" is a relative term.

I totally agree with your post bc56274.

by Red on Jun 17, 2007 1:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

Unsavory? Or at least unsafe?

The transfer point where the Blue Line catches the Green Line on a Friday or Saturday night (especially if you have a bunch of luggage from the airport).
Skid Row at night on foot when you're alone.
Irvine, if you're a nonconformist (they'll zone you to death); or if you don't have a car and need a drink.

That's about it.

I'm not "afraid" of graffiti, just greatly irritated by it. And one of the reasons I don't fear Echo Park, Elysian Heights and the west bank of the L.A. River is because I'm very familiar with the area, ride buses through it constantly, and have never had cause to be afraid for even one second.

Not calling you a racist, just a scaredycat.

by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up 0 recs

Sure wouldn't want

to get "zoned" to death in Irvine. Now that's scary.

Perhaps if there were more/better zoning regulations/enforcements in LA, it wouldn't have become the hell hole it is now.

by Red on Jun 17, 2007 1:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yes, what a terrible hellhole

I can actually walk to a beautiful 1920s movie theater & another three-screen art-house down the street, one of the region's best bookstores, the Griffith Observatory & park, a half-dozen terrific bars, more than 10 good restaurants, a great rock club, a couple of Frank Lloyd Wright houses & about 100 other architectural gems.... Plus take either the bus or the metro to work. All while living in a 1920s house with a great yard & rent made ridiculously cheap by all the scaredycat moneybags afraid to live in such a (non)dangerous hood. IT'S A HELLHOLE, I TELLS YA! BRING ON THE HOUSE-PAINT ZONING!

Also, if you think L.A. doesn't have regulations galore, you're even more ignorant than you look.

by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 2:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

preach it!

by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 2:50 PM PDT up 0 recs

You can have it...

Yeah... besides the architectural gems and a (grudgingly) handful of other worthy aspects... LA has SO much culture! Just sit in the Dodger bleachers to see for yourself! Take a beautiful drive into South Central, you can check out the intersection where Reginald Denny got his head bashed in with a brick! Head on down to skid-row in downtown to show your kids a crack head take a shit on the sidewalk! If you'd like, stroll over to beautiful Van Nuys, don't forget to hit up the 99¢ store on Sepulveda! To round out the day, try not to get shot on the 10 freeway during your drive home! I'm only scratching the surface of culture in LA!

A buddy of mine actually owns a Lloyd Wright house (FLW's son) in Wilshire Park, it's a true beauty, and now a bonafied historical landmark. However, what a shitty area. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't want to live there. I've had great times and soaked up the culture at the Dorothy Chandler, Hollywood Bowl, Getty Center, etc, etc... hell, I've made my career in the entertainment industry only found in LA.

Keep your "half-dozen terrific bars, more than 10 good restaurants, AND your great rock-club" within walking distance of your home. I'll personally live in a place where I can take my family out for a walk, an early evening at the park or a night on the town without a higher probability of trouble.

I've lived and worked in many different locals in LA (and OC)... now I live in N. LA (Valencia)... boy what a difference, especially now that I have a family. Call me a "conformist", "scaredycat" or "ignorant" all you want... personally, my life is a lot more enjoyable than it was in the hell-hole I call LA.

You like it where you are... you can have it.

Go Angels.

by Red on Jun 17, 2007 2:52 PM PDT up 0 recs

Let me get this straight

Dodger bleachers = L.A. culture
99 Cents stores = terrible

Whatevs.

I'll personally live in a place where I can take my family out for a walk, an early evening at the park or a night on the town without a higher probability of trouble.

As will I! All without insulting your neighborhood or the people who live there! The end!

by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up 0 recs

terrified

Gosh, you are so terrified of LA. Full of insults and stereotypes. Full of fear for you and your family. So much resentment, apparently.

Why do you feel the need to spew your anger and fear about other people? Do you ever stop for a minute and think of the thousands of families, just like you, who thrive and love it here?

by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 3:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

No dude...

I am not "full of insults and stereotypes". YOU and mattwelch are the ones calling people "conformist, scaredycat and ignorant."

I have lived in LA, and my personal experiences living there sucked. The higher rates of crime, traffic and smog (all experienced first hand) are enough of a reason... those are factual reasons.

Each person has their own idea of what constitutes a conducive lifestyle... my LA experiences just didn't do it for me... and especially now with a family. It's not that I'm full of fear for my family... it's that if I have a choice, I'd rather not expose them to the realities of city living (mainly the higher crime.)

I currently live in LA, north of the city... a great area. A short drive, we're in LA (proper) and enjoying the culture.

Like I said, you (and Randy Newman) love LA, you can have it... enjoy.

by Red on Jun 17, 2007 3:44 PM PDT up 0 recs

Backpedalling

No, I never called you any of those things. I have never insulted you other than inquiring about your obvious fear and insecurity.

You are backpedalling now, talking only about your love for your neighborhood. Great. But let me remind you of the things you have said.

You are the one that attacked a neighborhood, a city, and the people who live here. "LA is one huge crap hole"

You are the one who can't help himself from characterizing all Dodger fans as illegals, as thugs, as gangbangers, when you said to bc5627 "I totally agree with your post" ...

You are the one who has constantly talked about being terrified of walking around neighborhoods near Dodger stadium. Despite people like mattwelch and me saying what great neighborhoods we live in, you keep attacking those neighborhoods.

You are the one who kept referring in your diary to illegals, and Mexicans. You seem obsessed with Latino residents of LA and Latino Dodger fans. It is racism to equate an entire people, or law abiding fans of a local sports team, with illegals, with criminals, with gangmembers. That is the very essence of racism. You may have grievances with individual Dodger fans, individual Latinos, but you cross the line when you generalize from those experiences to entire neighborhoods, peoples, cities.

And to top it all of, you equate going to Dodger Stadium and the surrounding neighborhoods with Al Qaeda terrorism.

If you want to understand why I am very upset at you right now, I want you to ask yourself how many relatives does someone like ValisJason have serving in either Iraq or Afghanistan? How many of them do you think have emailed him wistfully wishing they could go to a baseball game at Dodger stadium? They would give anything to be able to walk through my neighborhood tonight, or exchange trash talk with a Dodger fan in the bleachers.

So, if I were you, I would stop attacking my neighborhood, my city, and my Latino neighbors. Step back and think about why you feel the need to constantly attack others based on angry and lazy stereotypes.

by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

Dude, calm down.

Just because someone doesn't like your neighborhood, you don't have to go throwing a little tizzy fit.

Imagine if someone offered you a great deal in housing, in say, Baghdad. You would turn it down, right? And your reasoning would be, you feel safer where you currently reside.

Same logic applies here.

This has nothing to do with race and stereotyping. That's just a silly assertion. In fact, I have Mexican gardeners, and have never felt in anyway like my life was in danger.

by bc56274 on Jun 17, 2007 4:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

Mexican gardeners

Brilliant. Just because you are ignorant of your prejudice, doesnt mean that its not there for everyone to see.

by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 8:51 PM PDT up 0 recs

He's well aware...

He's just 'getting your goat' and adding fuel to the fire. I'm sure he's well aware of his intentionally prejudiced comments regarding his "Mexican gardeners."

by Red on Jun 17, 2007 9:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

fine with me

This is the guy you are defending. Doesnt that bother you?

And you still havent taken the time to man up like an adult and admit that your statements have caused problems, and perhaps offer an apology.

by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 9:09 PM PDT up 0 recs

I'm not defending anybody...

I'm not defending this guy.

I simply agreed with one of his posts. Reread this thread dude.

By coincidence... speaking of "manning up", go see the post I just made to my diary.

Now... go have a beer and chill out bro.

by Red on Jun 17, 2007 9:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

My Gardener is Korean.

'86 never happened!

by Downing Rules on Jun 18, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up 0 recs

Be careful.

The Korean Mafia, if they happen to be lurking, might not find this too humorous.

by bc56274 on Jun 18, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up 0 recs

You should know

by stating you're not racist because you have "mexican gardeners" would really really piss off guys like ValisJason and mattwelch. Even I know that. Learn to argue your point better.

I still want to DFA Hillenbrand

by Hutch (someone took my name) on Jun 18, 2007 9:31 AM PDT up 0 recs

Look bro...

In this thread, I've only responded to yours and others comments. Along the way, I gave my opinion stating that I think LA is a crap hole, even though I fucking live here (and have for many years.)

If you want to disagree, that's fucking fine.

But...

You've made the RIDICULOUS STRETCH that I'm bashing Latinos and/or Mexicans by saying that LA is a crap hole. Then you pull the classic, "you're a racist" card. Talk about lazy stereotypes... oh yeah, I'm a racist now because I said LA is a crap hole and that Dodger fans are classless idiots.

You then assert that, "I've equated going to Dodger Stadium and the surrounding neighborhoods with Al Qaeda terrorism."

Reread my posts you fool. While you're at it, look at the post that I'm responding to.

And...

What the fuck does anything I've said here in response, have to do with how many relatives you have serving in either Iraq or Afghanistan???

???

Seriously, what the fuck dude???

You've gone so far off track and have falsely linked statements and have made ridiculous reaches of logic and fact.

Regarding my diary entry, that is a completely different post and was meant as simple satire and buffoonery aimed at CLASSLESS DODGER FANS... PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Not unlike anything you hear on the tv or radio every freakin' day.

Now I'm going to pinch off the stream here on this ol' pissing contest because it's getting ridiculous.

by Red on Jun 17, 2007 7:39 PM PDT up 0 recs

Dude.

It sounds like you believe the 11 o'clock news is an accurate representation of what happens in an average person's everyday life.

by LosAngel on Jun 17, 2007 9:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

Panther

by AlohaHalofan on Jun 17, 2007 6:27 PM PDT up 0 recs

Scaredycat would be an understatement...

Colossal pussy would be more apropos.

by bc56274 on Jun 17, 2007 1:58 PM PDT up 0 recs

bc56274 just told like it is

..in 3 lines, plain and simple. props

I still want to DFA Hillenbrand

by Hutch (someone took my name) on Jun 18, 2007 9:15 AM PDT up 0 recs

oh wait

never mind, he also said some dumbass things later (props taken away).

I thought this was and Angels blog?

I still want to DFA Hillenbrand

by Hutch (someone took my name) on Jun 18, 2007 9:37 AM PDT up 0 recs

I can't believe you took away my props.

You're such a tease, Hutch.

by bc56274 on Jun 18, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up 0 recs

Sooo...

What do you say about the ten serious al-Qaida terrorist plots that we've foiled since 9/11? Let me guess, they were really not that serious and our government exhaggerates (and lies) about the perceived 'threat'.

Since you haven't bought into all that "fear mongering" that the Rebuplicans and racists have cooked up, why don't you go take a Saturday night stroll in Lincoln Heights.

by Red on Jun 17, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

well said

by thewebb on Jun 17, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up 0 recs

Again ...

Again you seem to think your point is made by insulting a neighborhood. What is so scary about Lincoln Heights? Why are you so afraid? You are the one sowing fear for no reason other than your own anxieties.

And now you go to the ultimate fear card ... Al Qaeda! If we go to Dodger stadium, the terrorists have won! Quaking in my boots. You are obviously one of those Republicans who want another terrorist attack. I guess you wouldnt mind if they took out Dodger Stadum? Or any other locale in LA? At least you'd be safe in Valencia, and would get a chance to feel manly and feel justified in your fears.

by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 3:30 PM PDT up 0 recs

Umm, yeah, pretty much

Let me guess, they were really not that serious and our government exhaggerates (and lies) about the perceived 'threat'.

Google the "Sea of David" geniuses in Florida that were soooo scary. They were such a well oiled machine that they actually wanted uniforms. Terrorist freaking uniforms.

Or the guys who wanted to take out the Brooklyn Bridge.......with blowtorches.

Or the latest geniuses who though they could blow up all of New York because there's a jet fuel line that runs to JFK. One problem. While it might make a nifty explosion at the source, gas kind of needs oxygen to burn. That's why you don't blow up the neighborhood every time you turn on your stove.

So yeah, the government and media routinely does oversells the danger of the "plots" that they foil.

by LA Seitz on Jun 17, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

Ugh

does oversells

do oversell

by LA Seitz on Jun 17, 2007 8:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

typical Kings fan

by cupie on Jun 17, 2007 8:58 PM PDT up 0 recs

Psshaw

Echo Park, which is a mile or two from where I live, is a terrific area. I've never felt unsafe for a half-second there, except in the Dodger Stadium parking lot.

The Big A used to be a lot more rough (and fun! at least when I was 12) back in the '70s and '80s, but somewhere along the line ownership decided you didn't have to tolerate a half-dozen fistfights in the stands every game, or kids chucking trash off the front row of the higher decks (a Chavez specialty), or scary-looking packs of shitfaced young men threatening to "rip the fucking head off" of people wearing opposing colors, right next to frightened children and handicapped old folks.

Dodger Stadium will improve the moment McCourt decides it's important enough. Unfortunately for him (and the rest of us) posting "Fans' code of conduct" in English and Spanish, and banning tailgating without enforcement, and paying for a handful of frightened cops, is not enough to get it done.

by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up 0 recs

i don't get it

how is talking shit doing anything but stooping to their level?

great teams/players don't have to talk about how great they are or how worthy they are of praise, they just ARE.

SPORTS UNFILTERED

by pedro guerrero on Jun 17, 2007 8:08 AM PDT 0 recs

Location

Give me a freaking break. I grew up in Anaheim, and have been an Angels fan for life. Hate the Dodgers. When I was younger I could not wait to get out of the OC.

I now live near Dodger stadium. As for it being a bad area? Are you kidding me. The areas surrounding Dodger stadium have practically been the epicenter of gentrification the past decade. It is a much richer area than that surrounding Angel stadium.

Some of the posts in this thread border on racism. Dont play into the stereotype of nice middle class white people scared by all the horrible Mexicans. Its sad.

by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 8:37 AM PDT 0 recs

Maybe I'm just lucky

But while the overall mentality there was lame, I didn't get one threat the whole time I was there, wearing my halo jersey, being a really pale-ass white kid.

I'm guessing experiences differ? Yeah I got "An-gels suuuu-uuck" jeer, but come on, it's their stadium. We dish it out when they're in Angel Stadium, and so we have to take it when we're the visiting team. Big deal.

Like I said, maybe experiences differ, but I don't get it.

Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Jun 17, 2007 10:12 AM PDT 0 recs

Me neither

I've been going to dohyer stadium to see the halos since I was a kid have never felt threatened or scared.

by AlohaHalofan on Jun 17, 2007 6:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

dodger shower

when i even think about the dodgers or going to a dodger game i want to take a rape shower to cleanse the impending layers of filth off of me.

by thejd on Jun 17, 2007 10:35 AM PDT 0 recs

Whoa

I was waiting for someone to play the race card. Congrats on being the first ValisJason, your mother must be so proud.

I like the article Rev. and it is spot on. Dodger fans=Raider fans, and sometimes they are unable to leave their football/Raider mentality at home.

by Howie the Halo on Jun 17, 2007 10:45 AM PDT 0 recs

Cards

I play the cards Im dealt.

If you think Im wrong, tell me why. Dont just pull a Sean Hannity anti-PC victimology counter attack.

And even more than the tinge of racism, I did not like the attack on my neighborhood.

By the way, I never criticized the Rev's posts, but rather some of the responses to it.

by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 10:58 AM PDT 0 recs

Hey

Don't bash Sean Hannity. We're both Gauchos!

by Howie the Halo on Jun 17, 2007 11:11 AM PDT 0 recs

Hannity's a douche

And all three of us are Gauchos!

by mattwelch on Jun 17, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up 0 recs

Hannity

I'll bash Hannity all I want. He is a perfect representative of the worst aspects of our civic discourse. And, like him, you havent yet brought any substance, just mindless criticism.

by ValisJason on Jun 17, 2007 11:20 AM PDT 0 recs

FOR THE RECORD

I love graffiti.

by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 4:51 PM PDT 0 recs

You racist!

Like graffiti must mean you hate white people.

Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Jun 17, 2007 4:56 PM PDT up 0 recs

The only art collectors who buy graffiti art

are white.

by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 4:59 PM PDT up 0 recs

Funny, how that works.

Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Jun 17, 2007 5:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

That's because

the "non-whites" actually know someone who can crank out a graffiti mural for them.

Eskimos don't pay for ice either.

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jun 17, 2007 10:00 PM PDT up 0 recs

but you are implying

that they have a wall on which to hang said artwork and that the artists altruistically work for free...

by Rev Halofan on Jun 17, 2007 10:08 PM PDT up 0 recs

Don't Graffiti artists

usually work for free? Who was doling out bucks to CHAKA all those years???

DarkAngel hath spoken....

by darkangel01 on Jun 18, 2007 2:30 AM PDT up 0 recs

hahaha

that is true. I have a graffit art coffee table book!

I still want to DFA Hillenbrand

by Hutch (someone took my name) on Jun 18, 2007 9:41 AM PDT up 0 recs

PS

While I disagree with about half of what has been said here, this is one hell of a thread.

Dialogue like this HAS to happen in order to understand that race is still an issue in everyday life these days. The media has pretended it's no longer a factor for the past 5 years or so, when that's far from true.

Willits for ROY

by 101halo on Jun 17, 2007 5:06 PM PDT 0 recs

Half and half

Couldn't agree more that its a wonderful thing being able to voice your opinion. While I generally disagree with the Red crowd, I think they certainly have their right to say what they want, and if they're afrain to visit big bad LA, feel free to stay in the 'burbs.

In regards to Matt's (and some of Mat's) well put. LA is a great place, with more to offer than just about anywhere else in the US (Chavez Latrine included.)

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Jun 17, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

is dodger stadium even part of the u.s?

you're going to have to show a passport to exit the stadium, the good thing is if you don't have one am sure there are about 45,000 people who could get you a fake one pretty quick. their contact is only one pre-paid calling card call away.

by thejd on Jun 17, 2007 6:48 PM PDT 0 recs