yet another trade deadline dissappointment!
ok here is my take on this whole "no big" trade by the deadline...
stoneman is baseballs mitch kupcheck plain and simple. think about it he is the gm of a soon to be dynasty here in anahiem but is to chicken to "be the one to make a bad trade"....well bill the only way you can make a bad trade is to not make one at all.
if you look at our history with GM's one is forced to look at Bill Bavasi in 78'. he thought that Nolan Ryan was not worth 1 mil. well lets see what he did after that, he went back home and threw 3 more complete game shut outs and 1 perfect game. hmmm.... looks like the angels got the shit end of that one. now the edmunds for Kent Botenfield and AK deal, well once again we get shafted on that one since AK is back on the Cards. and then look at the trades that didnt go through.... Randy Johnson, Carlos Lee (who leads the NL in RBI's), Alfonso Soriano, and the list goes on....
basically the ineptitude of our GM's comes as no surprise, just as it should not you if you have been a fan for a while (before 2002)
if arte is as committed to winning as he says he is the stone(d)man's contract will not be renewed after the World Series and we will have a new GM that is willing to put his neck on the line and make some EFFING trades!!!!!!
**off season hopefulls*
AROD (stated he would opt out after the season), WILLIS or Mcab (florida can not aford to keep both).
as for this season. we will make the playoffs because there is no way seatle can keep up there current pace, they are one Jose Guillen melt down away from not competing. I hardly doubt we will be able to beat boston in the playoffs, so once agian no world series ring and a big disappointment brought to you by the GM's office and Bill Stoneman!
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Ridiculous
I hate being in first place, its all Stoneman's fault.
Our only chance to win a world series is if we can pull off another Sal Fasano/Alex Ochoa trade that propelled us to the wild card in 2002.
Blah Blah Blah
by Wytelitning on Jul 31, 2007 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I titled my post, just below yours...
This was wallis' opinion and he was venting. Poor fellow is one of the Stoneman haters.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2007 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now watch WTE...
As for me, I don't agree that a trade had to be made...there was not much available without giving up the present and the future.
Let's work on getting Vladdy to start hitting the ball, and I think we have no problems offensively once that happens.
by Downing Rules on Jul 31, 2007 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This makes so much sense
After all, the Angels haven't won a WS under Stoneman's watch...
Oops.
The Angels haven't won a division under his watch.
Ooops X 2.
The Angels didn't advance to the ALCS in 2005 under Stoneman's watch.
Oops again.
The Angels aren't currently in first place.
Yet another ooops.
In your diatribe, you also fail to point out any significant trade by any other GM that got his team to the World Series.
The final OOPS in the coffin.
by jjackflash on Jul 31, 2007 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
You make a bad trade by giving up more than you get back. And that's what the Tex trade would have done, because with 5th starter a big question, you cannot afford to trade your #4. Given the quality of deals out there, Stoneman did perfectly fine by saying no.
by RallyMonkey5 on Jul 31, 2007 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would much rather
What I don't get is, who did Atlanta give up? I mean, there isn't a quality major leaguer in that group is there? (I'm really asking; I never heard of any of them.)
by Dodger Hater on Jul 31, 2007 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I thought
It's amazing what a division rival will ask for. What did the A's want for Piazza, Wood and Adenhart?
by Wytelitning on Jul 31, 2007 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Five for Two
To Atlanta: 1B Mark Teixeira, LHP Ron Mahay
To Texas: 1B/C Jarrod Saltalamacchia, SS Elvis Andrus, RHP Neftali Feliz, LHP Matt Harrison, and LHP Beau Jones.
That's a LOT of talent going Texas' way. It would have cost the Angels Kotchman, plus a starting pitcher (Saunders or Santana), plus a couple of other prospects who are a lot closer to major-league ready than the guys Atlanta gave up. None of these guys figured into Atlanta's plans in 2008, let alone this year, whereas the Angels would have had to give up players who they're counting on not only for next year, but for the present season as well.
by jjackflash on Jul 31, 2007 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braves
Even if Teix would have helped us this year, it would have bugged me to see Kotch whaling on us 18 times a year.
No perfect fits in all the peeps on the trading block this year. If a power hitting, healthy 3rd baseman was available, then sure we would have had to get that done.
by elricsi on Jul 31, 2007 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dontrelle Willis?
by cardinalwraith on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh, no
Ask Brian Sabean about the last deal he made with the Twins and see if he would have rather have done nothing instead.
by Ajax on Jul 31, 2007 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ok so
hmmmmm......
it was this effing website that was saying oh common bill make a trade. give up kotch for tex give up ___ for who ever. now that he didnt make a fucking move he is a saint for not "giving up the farm"
by wallispdub1 on Jul 31, 2007 3:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point.
Piazza was another intriguing option, but I'd bet that Billy Beane was asking for the farm as well since we're interdivision rivals (doesn't mean that we shouldn't have signed him last offseason, though).
There was very little on the market this trading season that would have provided a net benefit to the club. Stoneman made the right choice in standing pat given the context of the situation.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 31, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Kupcheck == Bill?
Selected Vujacic and signed a worn out Vlade.
Traded Shaq for Brian Grant, Odom, Butler and a Bynum pick.
Traded Atkins and Butler for Profit and Kwame.
Oh... And in the ENTIRE MLB, ONLY BOSTON HAS A BETTER RECORD.
Yes, this moron who you compare to cupcake has led the Angels to the SECOND BEST RECORD in the MLB. He should be FIRED FOR THAT.
28 of 30 GMs are looking UP at the Angels and you think Stoneman's and IDIOT?
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I only fault Stoneman for one thing
by akathelorax on Jul 31, 2007 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember Dante Bichette?
I believe with our farm system, we have a bright
future.BUT, lets see what superstar Bill signs
in the offseason.Bill is going to let our farm system develop.And we have a fine farm system.
Ok thats it, BUT LET MATHIS PLAY
Just one of Stonemans unpaid consultants
by Angelfan777 on Jul 31, 2007 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind stoneman not making trades.....
....HOW MANY WORLD SERIES CONTENDERS/WINNERS HAVE YOU EEEEEVER SEEN THAT HAVE A LINEUP WITH ABSOLUTELY NO HOME RUN POWER????? Not even the 2002 Angels lacked pop. They had PLENTY POWER. This team albeit does NOT. So get your heads out your asses if you think we're going places. If you are the type of fan who thinks we have a good shot at getting deep in the playoffs then i'm sorry...but you're a HOMER!
by Halofanatic on Jul 31, 2007 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marlins.
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not True At All
by gorams77 on Jul 31, 2007 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to the 97 marlins
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops - my bad
by gorams77 on Jul 31, 2007 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check slg.
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up for a second and think about this.
by cardinalwraith on Jul 31, 2007 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll Bite
That being said it is extremely frustrating at his lack of creativity for trades that could improve the club - it always seems that he has "all his eggs in one basket" type trades or offseason signings that he narrows his focus to and if he doesn't get the one player he's focussed on then he does nothing at all - no plan B's it seems.
I agree that you shouldn't make a trade just to make a trade but I do believe that Dye could have been a very big help this year. He's 2 yrs removed from a WS MVP year, one year removed from a AL MVP type year, and starting to rake after a dissapointing start to the season. I don't know what it wouldve taken but the most prominent rumor was Boston offering Willy Mo and a reliever - surely we can come up with a better package than that. If Chicago doesn't offer him arbitration - they get NOTHING for him - not even draft picks (I think) at the end of the year.
Just my opinion - thrash it if you want - but I would rather have Dye then a hope that Rivera can come in after his lay off and put up the power numbers we are hoping for...
by gorams77 on Jul 31, 2007 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
by jjackflash on Jul 31, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Now that its over - CMON Rivera! We need you in 2nd half form before you have a 1st half!
by gorams77 on Jul 31, 2007 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what if Stoneman's cock shrivles up
by CaLiKrAzY on Jul 31, 2007 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A fine rambling rant...
Surely?
Just the teeniest bit?
Putting aside for one moment all the fine and logical reasons that the other members of the Choir Invisible have highlighted in the posts above, remember this (in this of all years)
- It's a sellers market - you really don't want to get involved unless you're desperate (see point 3)
- The talent on offer is barely that
- We're sitting in first with a fair bit of talent to return from the DL over the coming weeks
by The Limey on Jul 31, 2007 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But,
The original posting on this diary doesn't merit any sort of response whatsoever. The cynic in me thinks it was a set-up. Otherwise the author is a dumba*& (DUMAS)!!!!!!!!
by SactoFan on Jul 31, 2007 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stoneman sucks
Fuck stupid Stoneman. Damn him and his preservation of first place teams with the 2nd highest batting average in the Major Leagues! DAMN HIM!
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 31, 2007 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I never even mentioned the "TRADE"
by Halofanatic on Jul 31, 2007 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And this
Because of course, Stoneman didn't sign Vladimir Guerrero.
He didn't sign Bartolo Colon.
He didn't sign Kelvim Escobar, or RE-sign him to a contract extension at about 50% of his FMV.
He didn't trade malcontent Jose Guillen for Juan Rivera and Maicer Izturis.
He didn't sign Justin Speier, or re-sign Scot Shields.
He didn't trade Moo Vaughn for 14-game winner Kevin Appier.
He didn't sign Aaron Sele.
Oh wait, you mean he did do all of those things?
OOPS!
by jjackflash on Jul 31, 2007 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PANTHER
by Rev Halofan on Jul 31, 2007 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You left out at least one...
by Stirrups on Jul 31, 2007 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's more to team's profit
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 31, 2007 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't do ANYTHING
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being a GM
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 31, 2007 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many teams?
by akathelorax on Jul 31, 2007 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. It's not like the Yankees or the
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tecnically the century began in 2001
by Behind Enemy Lines on Jul 31, 2007 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also perfectly fine
Name for me ONE decent trade, and list the players involved on both sides, that Stoneman could have made in recent memory that would have landed us a big bat, but he backed off from because he, and he alone, thought the asking price was too high.
I understand the frustration of not having the bat, but two things:
- It is not a massive failure on Stoneman's part that the bat is not here, without sacrificing a HUGE chunk of the future for it.
- The Angels are 6th in the Majors in runs scored, 3rd in batting average, 2nd in stolen bases...oh, and only 3 teams strike out less. A little known fact about baseball is that you can score runs from things other than home runs.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Jul 31, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is all great Casey
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Creative like Cashman and Epstein?
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, not like them
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your kidding about Billy B right?
You're RIGHT! That's the dude Stoneman should model himself after.
Epstein has one ring and a team of owners who want to spend money like drunken sailors.
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was only
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Kendall was creative.
At any rate what you're saying is that you can't name someone you like better than Stoneman.
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hadn't realized that was your question
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theo Epstein is better than Stoneman
How bad can Man-Ram and Papi make you look? Not that bad.
by WeaverMania on Jul 31, 2007 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theo didn't sign ManRam. He was 2 years
With $150M payroll it's easier to look good.
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He then traded Renteria for Andy Marte
Considering that Crisp is playing well this season, I'd say he won that so far.
Look at what he's done. Drafted Dustin Pedroia. Traded for Mike Lowell and Josh Beckett. Signed Daisuke Matsuzaka. Traded for Curt Schilling by sending a bunch of losers to Arizona. Drafted Jonathan Papelbon. Signed Hideki Okajima. He also drafted Jacoby Ellsbury (who will be good) and Justin Masterson (who is already dominate at AA).
by WeaverMania on Jul 31, 2007 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZERO WS rings ZERO Pennants
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take what as a package?
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh no... Cashman hasn't won a world series since
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A CRUCIAL Distinction
by Clutch on Jul 31, 2007 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hard not to agree with that
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just have to point out
by LosAngel on Jul 31, 2007 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tough crowd
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 4:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
I will always wonder whether they made any inquiries about Piazza, and maybe they should have.
One can also wonder whether Stoneman has accurately assessed the team's strengths and weaknesses, particularly in regards to what upgrades might be available.
But look around the league. Boston made a nice move in acquiring Gagne. With Speier's return to health, though, the bullpen really wasn't a concern.
No starting pitchers of consequence changed teams.
And as I look around, I don't see anyone position players who changed hands (with the exception of Teixiera) who are better than the ones the Angels have at those positions.
There are 30 teams, and only one of them really improved its offense. To the extent that Stoneman failed, so did 28 other GMs.
by jjackflash on Jul 31, 2007 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Not knowing" is the most frustrating.
Who knows what really was possible or not? Certainly nobody here.
But I, for one, sure would like to know how much IMAGINATION went into the process. Did Stoneman take his rostor inventory to any teams we ddidn't hear about and try to turn them into sellers?
by Stirrups on Jul 31, 2007 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of the past three seasons...
Plus, there are a couple players who will likely pass waivers. Piazza will probably be available, and even an August Tejada trade is a possibility.
I understand the frustration, and was even screaming at the TV this afternoon, but now it's time to watch our team win the division.
by iLoveLamp on Jul 31, 2007 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Methinks
Seriously though, what could Stoney do?
--Dye? Sucks too much for what he would have cost us in exchange.
--Piazza? Beane would have bent us over like a BALCO trainer. Piazza would have been a great fit but no way Beane trades him cheap in the division.
--Teixeira? Overrated really and a moderate upgrade on Kotch but worth four players, including possibly Howie or Wood or Adenhart? ... No way, man. Again, the Rangers tried to shaft us because of the division.
--Konerko? Dunn? See Dye above. Any of the above would have been bad trades.
About the only thing Stoney could have done that made a bit of sense was to pick up Ensberg, which the Padres did for less than a bag of sunflower seeds and we probably could have had for a bag of balls.
A bit disappointed? Sure. But not as much so as if realistic opportunities had been there to get players of the calibre of Alex Rodriguez, Miguel Cabrera or Miguel Tejada and we had failed to make a move.
I like our team. Let's light that thing up with what we have.
by highlandhalo on Jul 31, 2007 5:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My "Methinks"
Some how, some way, this kind of new reality (as opposed to the reality of a year ago and prior) is likely already being felt in the war rooms of each front office in MLB.
by Stirrups on Jul 31, 2007 5:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant Observation
by Rev Halofan on Jul 31, 2007 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Morris to the Pirates?
by cupie on Jul 31, 2007 5:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Nolan Ryan
Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi, from the Mets' side. Discuss.
by scareduck on Jul 31, 2007 6:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm mad at Stoneman
Damn him for helping us to a 670-568 (.541) record since he took over just before the 2000 season.
Damn him for getting us into the playoffs three times, twice in the ALCS, and a World Series title.
Damn him!
by WeaverMania on Jul 31, 2007 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The point
by Clutch on Jul 31, 2007 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Which teams?
by melvintoast on Jul 31, 2007 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta
Boston was the only team to upgrade "defensively," in that it added a good reliever. That said, I don't think Okajima/Gagne/Papelbon is necessarily better than Speier/Shields/Rodriguez.
Actually, on second thought, Atlanta added Dotel too, so now they technically have a closer besides Bob Wickman. Yawn.
by jjackflash on Jul 31, 2007 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preach on, wallispdub1!
I was reading through this thread, and somebody gave Stoneman credit for signing Vladdy.
Uhhhh...
WHAT??
Like there was really baseball knowledge coming into play there. All the credit there goes to Moreno for opening his purse strings.
by bc56274 on Jul 31, 2007 10:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When someone
by jjackflash on Jul 31, 2007 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He isn't the one signing the checks.
by bc56274 on Jul 31, 2007 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Herring
by jjackflash on Jul 31, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not the money he has a hard time leting go of.
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And most of his money lately spent has been shaky.
Your grandma sounds like my grandpa. We should set them up.
by bc56274 on Jul 31, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would quibble
by jjackflash on Jul 31, 2007 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget tonight's losing pitcher.
Everyone here bashes Billy Beane (and rightfully so, he is with the enemy), but if we had him, and our owner, we would have multiple titles by now.
by bc56274 on Jul 31, 2007 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit
by mattwelch on Jul 31, 2007 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GM'ing the A's or the Red Sox?
I guess having an unquestioned bank account, unlimited resources, the undying loyalty of fans, and tradition to back you up is too much to ask for. God, I would hate to build a team around Ramirez and Ortiz. It would certainly suck. Ramirez and Ortiz? Or, Crosby and Swisher? Shit, that's real tough.
In all honesty, the reason he didn't take the Red Sox job was because he thought the stress that the job carries would get to him. He'd be looked at too much through a microscope with everything he does.
You don't think the fans of Boston would have crucified him for his idiotic Ethier-for-Bradley swap?
by WeaverMania on Jul 31, 2007 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats was a bad trade
by rjcicc on Jul 31, 2007 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure the money and his daughter played a role
Only certain GMs (Cashman, Epstein, Minaya) can put up with.
The reason? Because they make deals that help their team win, not mediocre deals that help their team stay the same.
by WeaverMania on Jul 31, 2007 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scoreboard.
They're doing it at about a $35 million discount compared to the BoSox.
The Angels have the best record since summer 2006. How many other teams have the best record since last summer. None... None other teams...
If you want to do it by positions:
Kotch is hitting better than Ersty. Napoli is hitting better than Molina. The backup catcher than everyone thought was the titanic found his groove. Howie is hitting better than Kennedy, Willits was a surprise, HGH makes great catches even when he's in a slump, Chone is 5th in the MLB in batting avg. 7 of your starters are batting 290 or better. Saunders and Moseley successfully substituted for Colon/Weaver/Santana.
Oakland is 13 games out of first. His teams have never gotten to the WS and only once have they gotten to the ALCS and his fattest acquisition in the past 4 years was Jason Kendall. On top of all that, the team closes off the 3rd deck of the stadium to save money because they can't fill the seats.
If you want to play what ifs. D-Mac doesn't go down, Colon doesn't go down, Mono doesn't go down, Santana gets traded for Tejada, Garrett doesn't go down, you've got a MUCH better looking team. Unfortunately not everything in life is controllable. That why baseball is interesting.
by melvintoast on Aug 1, 2007 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane
Esteban Loiza.
Long-terming Eric Shuvez instead of Tejada.
Jason Kendall.
Trading Mark Teahen for Octavio Dotel.
Trading Jeremy Bonderman and Carlos Pena for basically Ted Lilly.
I think he's done a good job keeping the A's competitive on a budget, but his record is far from unblemished.
by jjackflash on Jul 31, 2007 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot
by jjackflash on Aug 1, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm already tappin' that...
by Downing Rules on Aug 1, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's too late, baby, now it's too late
That would be "Buzzie," and "'79," but other than that just about everything else you said was stupid. We've been the best team in baseball since Jered Weaver replaced Jeff, and given that there's a pile of younguns on the team, chances are good that we'll only get much better, AND be able to afford A-Rod next year, if it comes to that.
by mattwelch on Jul 31, 2007 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this one's for JJACKFLASH......READ HER BUDDY BOY
by Halofanatic on Aug 1, 2007 1:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cards, Stros, Tigers
by melvintoast on Aug 1, 2007 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh... And the Angels.
by melvintoast on Aug 1, 2007 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gibberish
Clearly, you have no concept of logic or reasoned argument.
disregard when he signed Vlad and the rest of good acquisitions.
Disregard the facts when they're inconvenient to your argument? Talk about intellectual dishonesty.
with the amount of financial backing from Arte he should've delivered a big bat don't you think???
FYI, there were no "big bats" available as free agents in the offseason last year. Please explain how a team can sign free agents that don't exist.
In the 2005 offseason, the Angels offered Paul Konerko over 60 million dollars. He took the same money from the White Sox instead. In this country, you cannot legally force someone to work for you. In other words, Paul Konerko had the right to say no to the Angels, which he did. That is not Bill Stoneman's fault. He could not force Konerko to accept the Angels' offer. This might be difficult for someone with your obiviously limited brain capacity to handle, but you'll just have to trust me on this.
from 2004 and on when they started letting go of some the guys with pop (i.e., Glaus, Guillen, Molina)this team started struggling greatly (remember the last two years and especially playoffs of 05?)
I remember the playoffs of 2005. The Angels made it to the ALCS, after beating the Yankees (a team loaded with sluggers) in five games. Only one other team made it to the ALCS. I didn't realize that being one of the final four teams constitutes "struggling," but OK.
Incidentally, you mention losing Guillen, while conveniently ignorning the fact that he was replaced by Juan Rivera. From 2005-2006, Juan Rivera out-homered Guillen 38-33. The only reason Guillen has caught up is because Juan Rivera broke his leg in December and hasn't played all year. Don't you think the Halos' lineup would look a lot different with the 12-15 additional HR that Rivera would have provided this year if that hadn't occurred?
How many more wins would you say you could chalk up to Escobars career since he signed if he had signed with say the Red Sox or Yankees??? He'd probably have been voted for CY Young award the last two
Cy Young in 2005? Really? When he pitched only 59 2/3 innings?
In the future, before going off on a rant like this, you might want to make sure that your arguments actually are supported by these things called facts. It's hardly a novel concept; try looking into it.
by jjackflash on Aug 1, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peace, love and Angels baseball!
by Downing Rules on Aug 1, 2007 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
don't argue with me you dope...
by Halofanatic on Aug 1, 2007 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sober up
Once again, you completely ignore the numerous factual flaws in your previous post. Unable to come to grips with that, you resort to insults, change the subject, and ignore the issues.
pick up a god damn newspaper you clueless dude...what's the word on what the Angels' need/weakness is????
I can pick up a newspaper. Unlike you, I'm actually capable of not only reading it, but understanding it.
More to the point, what do newpspaper writers have to do with anything?
Who cares what a newspaper writer has to say about the team's strengths and weaknesses?
If your point is that other people think the team needs another slugger, so what? That wasn't your original point, and it was not a point with which I ever took issue. I suggest that you return to elementary school and work on your reading comprehension.
If you recall (and apparently you don't), you accused Bill Stoneman of not making any offseason moves to improve the ball club. I pointed out how wrong you were.
You then argued that he made no attempt to address the team's lack of power through free agency. I pointed out that this was factually incorrect, because they offered a contract to Paul Konerko. I then pointed out that no other significant power hitters have come on the market as free agents since then. You ignored this fact. Rather, you attempted to disprove this fact through insults. How mature.
Sure they have great pitching...sure stoneman picked up escobar, vlad, OC, GMJ, traded for Rivera...AAAAAAND???? Does that mean we're a complete team bird brain
Show me where I said they were. You're trying to refute argments never made. How clever.
And as for the teams you mentioned that made it to the big show (cards, stros, tigers), heres some advice...lay off the crack!!!..those teams all had atleast TWO SLUGGERS in their lineup
First, I wasn't the one who mentioned those teams; someone else beat me to it.
Moreover, you asserted as a fact that those teams had more than one guy with 35+ HR. Your statement was false. You try to dodge this fact by claiming that you only wrote that they had more than one undefined "slugger." Go back and read the words you wrote. You wrote that those teams had at least two players with 35+ HR. Your statement was, and always will be, untrue. You were proven wrong. Once again, you can assert all day that 2+2=5, but it will never be true.
please focus on the lack of pop this team has had ONLYYYYYYY FROM 2004-present. So what if in 2005 we beat the yanks??? look at their horrible pitching!! Did you thikn they would have made it past the sox, clev, cards???
What do you mean by "focus on"? What's your point? You cannot escape that you made a series of statements, purporting to be facts, that are simply untrue. I never said the Angels couldn't use another power bat. That isn't the issue. Rather, the issue (which you either don't understand or are choosing to ignore) is that you keep claiming that the Angels should have signed a power-hitting free agent, yet you fail to grasp the fact that a team cannot sign players that simply don't exist. Who were these free agent hitters? Was Stoneman supposed to go to steal some DNA from Albert Pujols or A-Rod, and go to some mad scientist and have them cloned? How was he supposed to create that which does not exist?
by jjackflash on Aug 1, 2007 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon the interruption but....
by Downing Rules on Aug 2, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....go get some treatment for your crack issues
Are you serious..??? Their weren't any free agent sluggers??? ok...JACK....you win....you win...
by Halofanatic on Aug 1, 2007 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Ff you can name someone besides Paul Konerko who was available in 2005, I'd love to know who it was.
In the 2006 off season, the Angels went after Alfonso Soriano. They offered him over $100 million. The Cubs gave him even more than that. He was the only guy available. How much more were they supposed to offer?
They did sign GMJr., who has provided 12 HR thus far (a lot more than the Angels got out of their CF last year, mind you).
There were rumors that the team wanted Aramis Ramirez. Unfortunately, he never really became a free agent. He re-signed with the Cubs.
I don't know who else they were supposed to try to sign.
Apparently, though, you do concede that these supposed players didn't actually exist, since you have been heretofore unable to name them.
But I'll keep checking here to see if you can actually come up with a name.
by jjackflash on Aug 1, 2007 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the movie "Twins" ...
by Downing Rules on Aug 2, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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