countdown to Jose's meltdown...

by SCHalo on Aug 1, 2007 8:59 AM PDT

when will it commence and seal the M's fate?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/325911_mari01.html

By the end of this one, there was no question of winning or losing. The only question was what Lackey meant by a couple of pitches that came in the general vicinity of the head of Seattle right fielder Jose Guillen in the eighth inning.

They didn't make contact, but they spun Guillen out of the box. They could have been a message from Lackey that he was upset that Ichiro Suzuki bunted for a hit with the Mariners down 8-0. Or it could have been a reminder that there's still bad blood between Guillen and members of the Angels pitching staff dating to his time with the Angels in 2004.

"The first pitch was OK," Guillen said. "I didn't like the second one. I hope he wasn't trying to say something. He knows me better than that. I hope that's not it. If I find out that he was trying to throw (at me), then we have a problem."

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I think it meant that when he struck him out

in the 1st with high inside fastball he tried to go back to it.

by melvintoast on Aug 1, 2007 8:57 AM PDT reply actions

No, No, No

There MUST be a deeper meaning. There just HAS to be, right? It can't be that a pitcher is just trying to get him out, can it? It can't be that Guillen has trouble with high heat, can it? Otherwise, how can a sportswriter work up a non-existent controversy?

by Brew Angel on Aug 1, 2007 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions

maybe...

he was trying to hit him in the first too...

by the OC angels on Aug 1, 2007 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions

The look on Jose's face after the brushback

R I P E with A N G E R ...

by Rev Halofan on Aug 1, 2007 9:44 AM PDT reply actions

Unsure

First pitch okay. Second looked like a curveball that slipped.

However, didn't Garrett get buzzed near the head the previous inning? I believe that was the second pitch in a row to come inside on Garrett.

by halomatt on Aug 1, 2007 9:50 AM PDT reply actions

John was one of the vocal pitchers ...

against Guillen in the course of 2004. I remember reading something where the media asked him "hey, this Guillen guy says the Angels pitchers are not protecting him..."

Lackey answered "that's something we (Angels' team) have to talk about in private, not via the media."

There was never much retaliation and that is where the rift developed, I think. Guillen felt pissed that nobody was protecting him, but he was a bitch about it and went to the media instead of calling the pitchers out in a closed-door meeting. Lackey was not happy that he was being called out through the media for not protecting his hitters.

'86 never happened!

by Downing Rules on Aug 1, 2007 10:07 AM PDT reply actions