dissing GA
From the KLAW's chat today:
Jock Thompson, The OC: Keith, not that I disagree with you that Scioscia needs to find ABs for Willits, but with respect to Anderson, you obviously haven't checked the stats since the All-Star break. Among other things, Anderson is third in MLB RBI and completely healthy for the first time in four years.
Keith Law: Well, RBI are meaningless, so I'm not buying that argument. And I just saw the Angels for four games - Anderson's bat speed has slowed, he can't hit lefties at all, and he's limited in left. Trust me, there's no way they'll do anything to limit his time, but I think it's the rational move.

That ought to start some shite here.
This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan and may or may not be a reflection of human evolution, divine enlightenment or nine cans into a 12-pack.
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Keith Law = Douche
by Crapper John MD on Aug 31, 2007 3:12 PM PDT 0 recs
Yes, RBIs are meaningless
But let's not even mention the fact that, across the board, he's hitting lefties better than righties this year.
But what was that he said about him just seeing the Angels for four games? Over Garret's last 4 games, he's 8-14 (.571) with 2 homers, 3 doubles, and 6 runs driven in.
Yawn, next topic please.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 31, 2007 3:16 PM PDT 0 recs
"RBI are meaningless" [sic]
sooo... that 10 rbi performance the other night shouldn't have been on the front of the major sports sites?
by thrill000 on Aug 31, 2007 3:17 PM PDT 0 recs
um
How does Keith Law still have a job?
by Angels on Aug 31, 2007 3:24 PM PDT 0 recs
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by hauldog on Aug 31, 2007 3:26 PM PDT 0 recs
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by hauldog on Aug 31, 2007 3:27 PM PDT 0 recs
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by hauldog on Aug 31, 2007 3:27 PM PDT 0 recs
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by Angels on Aug 31, 2007 3:27 PM PDT 0 recs
GA
by tanana40 on Aug 31, 2007 3:30 PM PDT 0 recs
R-B-I
In a nutshell, RBI does measure the OPPORTUNITIES to drive in runs more than it measures some magical ability to hit at key moments (aka Clutch).
Garret Anderson slaughters fastballs and repeat pitches. This is his ability as a hitter. He can doink a curve and fight off a slider, but that is not why he is in the middle of the lineup. When nobody is on base, he sees a lot of these latter pitches and does not necessarily do much with them.
To call RBI meaningless is to throw out so much nuance of the game - that a pitcher will pitch to GA differently with men on base and Kotchman, Matthews, Kendrick following - this is indisputabloe - Garret will get pitches to drive and he does.
by Rev Halofan on
Sep 2, 2007 11:00 AM PDT
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Keith Law = Jackass
by Crapper John MD on Aug 31, 2007 3:38 PM PDT 0 recs
Great to see Halo Nation band together...
I love how some Krusty the Clown wanna-be starts talking out of the side of his neck.
I was listening to the Loose Cannons today and Hartman was already declaring the Angels the AL West champs and saying that GA was playing for his job -
Hello, there's still a month left and as Gooby (of all people) said, GA is healthy and happy - so he's being productive.
by Grichfan on Aug 31, 2007 4:05 PM PDT 0 recs
BULL-SHITE
And judging from the way he looks at the plate and is swingin, I'm optimistic that he can continue at this level.
by yeswecan on Aug 31, 2007 4:10 PM PDT 0 recs
why
by ANewFoundThrice on Aug 31, 2007 4:39 PM PDT 0 recs
Seriously
Wow, really compelling arguments. Well done, guys.
by LA Seitz on
Aug 31, 2007 5:53 PM PDT
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Yeah Seitz....
The crazy thing is that everything Keith Law is saying is true - to some degree - but people here see the last 100 AB's of GA as some new level of production as opposed to a really hot streak.
I'm glad he has had the hot streak, but I'd rather have Willits and his .390's OBP in the lineup everyday, especially with the emergence of Morales as a possible everyday DH for the remainder of the season....
Jimmuscomp
by jimmuscomp on
Aug 31, 2007 6:08 PM PDT
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Agree and disagree
GA has clearly been hot lately, and while half of me wants to believe that it represents a true return to form thanks to good health, the other half at least realizes that there's a possibility that it's a fluke.
So let's take a look at what he said:
1) His bat speed has slowed.
Honestly, I'm not qualified to judge this, and even if I were, I haven't been paying a lot of attention. I'm happy with the homers, and I don't care if they've come on off-speed pitches or average fastballs. But I will say this, if they have come on those pitches, GA could very well struggle down the stretch, because he may not see too many more.
2) He can't hit lefties at all:
Probably hyperbole due to the nature of the chat, but certainly wrong. He can hit lefties, but he's probably not their best bet against them. This year he's hit them well, but in limited time (fewer than 80 plate appearances). Against Boston, the only lefty he faced was Okajima, and he went 1-2 off of him. So Law apparently sees something (or thinks he does), but doesn't elaborate on this in chat. If this had been posted Tuesday, I might be able to tell you what he was getting at*.
3) He's limited in left field:
Can anyone here really argue this, especially with Willits as an option?
I disagree that the lineup should regularly have Kendry at DH, Willits in left, and GA on the bench. But what he says isn't complete bullshit. And I can guarantee everyone here, he doesn't hate the Angels, except when they beat the Yankees.
*About half way through the chat, he took a question about where to eat in Chicago, to which he responded:
Best bets were Lou Mitchell's for breakfast, Frontera for lunch, and La Creperie for dinner (hat tip to Shredder).
As some of you know, Shredder is me. We've been on friendly terms for a few years now, though this was the first time we'd met in person. So in the interest of full disclosure, I've met the guy, and he's not a douche.
Cupie, on the other hand... :)
by LA Seitz on
Aug 31, 2007 6:37 PM PDT
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Nice
Bottom line is in enough AB's GA would hit lefties about 10% worse than righties.
I can believe GA's bat speed has slowed, but he guesses a lot, and when he guesses right he can hit ANY pitch.
GA is not so great in the OF, but Vlad is really getting to be a problem out there.
All these OF/DH/1B we have now. Soon Kotch will be 100% and Rivera will be back. This will take a masterful job by Scioscia to get them all in there. If Willits is 100%, he can't be the guy at DH.
My thoughts are all of them should be rested regularly (maybe 2 days a week) except Vlad if he is 100%. Believe it or not I think GA should only be 4th in line to be DH behind Rivera, Vlad, and Cowbell. When GA plays LF is fine, and he should rest versus LHP only since we have so many righties in the mix.
by elricsi on
Aug 31, 2007 8:10 PM PDT
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For what it's worth
- GA has been cheating badly on fastballs, and it's affected, by a large margin, his ability to hit change ups from right handed pitchers because he's so far out in front;
- Three of the last four years GA has been pretty bad against lefties*, and one year splits (especially one incomplete year) are too small to make real judgments. Guys don't suddenly learn to hit lefties at 36.
The first point is observational, the second is more or less verifiable by the numbers. Take from that what you will.
by LA Seitz on
Aug 31, 2007 8:31 PM PDT
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And on cue
by LA Seitz on
Aug 31, 2007 8:40 PM PDT
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My son wants you to quote Keith
by Stirrups on
Aug 31, 2007 8:55 PM PDT
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But does Mr. Law know
Haynes will work wonders.
by eyespy on
Aug 31, 2007 11:01 PM PDT
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Did you ask Keith for a dinner date
by highlandhalo on
Sep 1, 2007 7:14 AM PDT
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100 at-bats?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Sep 1, 2007 12:36 PM PDT
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If GA were not so lazy,
by Stirrups on Aug 31, 2007 4:45 PM PDT 0 recs
GA could kick Chuck Norris' ass
by Fan Since 1981 on
Aug 31, 2007 5:42 PM PDT
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You're right, I think
So, no, RBI is not a COMPLETELY meaningless stat. Just mostly meaningless.
Disclaimer: This is not a defense of Keith Law.
by Dogman on Aug 31, 2007 4:50 PM PDT 0 recs
It's as meaningless as wins for a pitcher.
by melvintoast on
Aug 31, 2007 4:56 PM PDT
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Yes!
by Dogman on
Aug 31, 2007 4:58 PM PDT
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Don't completely agree here Rev.....,,,
You are correct that he prefers the fastball, but he can hit the other stuff as well...Just not as consistently as he hits the fastball. But I think this is true for just about every hitter in the world......
Sometimes Garret hits the curves and sliders even when they are not
mistake pitches.. I seem to recall a huge 3run bomb he hit off Randy Johnson in Game 3 of the 2005 ALDS. That pitch was a slider down and away with good movement, and Garret went out and pulled it over the right-center field fence. Not bad if you ask me...
by Jack Frost on Aug 31, 2007 5:25 PM PDT 0 recs
RBIs measure no such thing
by scareduck on Aug 31, 2007 5:31 PM PDT 0 recs
Is that a homosexual remark?
I found it funny.
Disclaimer: Is not biased towards preference of sexual partners.
by Obscurity on
Aug 31, 2007 5:55 PM PDT
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i'm not a big GA fan...
by thejd on Aug 31, 2007 6:05 PM PDT 0 recs
the last i checked...
by thejd on Aug 31, 2007 6:12 PM PDT 0 recs
Keith Law < A poop biscuit
by Halofanatic on Aug 31, 2007 6:25 PM PDT 0 recs
Keith Law=terrible
by thewebb on Aug 31, 2007 9:40 PM PDT 0 recs
GA contributes again tonight
but i must proudly proclaim with confidence that MY MAN GA IS BACK.
by yeswecan on Aug 31, 2007 10:59 PM PDT 0 recs
Keith Law
He is very good at the draft but out side of that it is shit.
by hauldog on Aug 31, 2007 11:30 PM PDT 0 recs
darkangel
by thewebb on Sep 1, 2007 8:41 PM PDT 0 recs










