Is Mike Scioscia's Role-Playing Rigidity Costing the Angels?
When Mike Scioscia's assigned roles for Angel players are clicking, nobody notices. But when there is a rip near the seam, the exposed pathetic rigidity of these uncreative placings outrage even the casual SoCal baseball fan.
The Speier-to-Shields-to-Frankie countdown is designed to make a 9-inning game a 6-inning game. It works often. But when the wheels come loose, Scioscia rarely stops the truck to tighten them. Sometimes the win gets delivered. Other times, like tonight, the axle breaks and you are left wondering if this team will ever burn rubber again.
But it is not just bullpen management. Orlando Cabrera is not a Number Two hitter. He is not a Number Three hitter. But there he is, popping out with regularity in situations both clutch and bases empty. When Robb Quinlan gets into a game, he tends to be left in to face Right-Handed pitching after his usefulness (batting against Lefties) has been exhausted. These are situations that rest squarely on the back of Mike Scioscia.
Scioscia's rigidity in starting the worst offensive Angel of all time, Steve Finley, cost us the 2005 ALCS as much or more than Doug Eddings. The worthless Steve Finley remained in the Angel lineup due to Scioscia's rigidity.
It took Scioscia three seasons to finally start taking John Lackey out in the middle of bad innings rather than let John gascan them into oblivion. What will it take for him to tweak this team into the runaway success we know they should be? Why is Mike Scioscia seemingly allergic to improvisation? Is this season cemented into position regardless of in-game turns and unforeseen events?
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Quinlan needs to not be played, ever
by edhoo on Aug 3, 2007 11:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OCab is just fine as a no. 2 hitter.
In this case, the problem is that he DIDN'T stick to his role-playing. Why was Quinlan still in the game after Vlad hit the homer? Kotchman's Defense > Q's defense, always. In a tight game, you need your best D on the field. Mike used to make defensive switches for Q with out a second thought once the lefties were out of the game.
I'm a big Q fan, and I have to say I was stumped as to why Q was still in the game.
by Zu Long on Aug 3, 2007 11:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by scareduck on Aug 4, 2007 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, make that July
by scareduck on Aug 4, 2007 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's perfectly reasonable to start Q
by mattwelch on Aug 4, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not perfectly reasonable to start him
by edhoo on Aug 4, 2007 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how much you value 50 ABs
CK: .304/.377/.391, 55 PAs
RQ: .259/.304/.400, 92 PAs
For their careers:
CK: .253/.339/.295, 113 PAs
RQ: .310/.352/.510, 432 PAs
Q has shown more power against lefties, even this year, on a team that's starving for the stuff.
What I'd do is this -- when Casey's in one of his vaunted hot streaks, never bench him. But when he's cooling off, let Q play against lefties. And when Casey's playing against the lefty, start Q at 3B or LF or DH.
by mattwelch on Aug 4, 2007 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you mean DiNardo?
by Zu Long on Aug 4, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you bat 1-4, Rev?
Figgy
Vlad
GA
???
I do agree that Kotch should be playing every day. His defense alone is worth a run on most nights.
I wouldn't switch Shields and Speier. It's just a chink in the armor, if you demoted him to the seventh inning, that would only play more with his psyche.
by bc56274 on Aug 4, 2007 12:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In Quinlan's defense...
by Downing Rules on Aug 4, 2007 12:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
in the field, too...
by Downing Rules on Aug 4, 2007 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My two problems:
- Kotch can hit lefties and righties. He is not a platoon player. He's the Angel's future all-star gold-glove 1st basemen. Sorry Q, but Kotchman has earned the right to play, everyday.
- Shields can stay in the 8th inning, I have no problem with that. HOWEVER, when he is off his game, it's usually clear within 4-8 pitches. He almost NEVER recovers after a first few elevated pitches. With that the case, if he's off his game, Scoscia, for fuck's sake, get somebody else in to pitch, and be quick about it.
by 101halo on Aug 4, 2007 12:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
man...
by CaLiKrAzY on Aug 4, 2007 1:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This needs to be stressed repeatedly
CASEY KOTCHMAN IS NOT A PLATOON PLAYER. HE STARTS EVERY SINGLE DAY. I DON'T CARE IF THE PITCHER THROWS WITH HIS LEFT FOOT. KOTCHMAN IS BATTING.
The guy is .299 against righties, .304 against lefties. There isn't a reason in the world to bench him against lefties. Robb Quinlan is not good enough to take at-bats from Casey, and Casey is not low enough on the totem pole to have at-bats taken from him.
PLAY.
THE.
MAN.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 4, 2007 4:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lest we forget
Yes, I think Mike needs to move a little faster in replacing Wildman Lackey & Evil Shields. But it IS his managing that got us to our current 1st place.
It's up to the guys to maintain their standard of play. HIT the ball, CATCH the ball etc etc. You can lead the horse, yada yada yada.
Yes, I think Mike's made bad decisions for PH and defensive positions. Hindsight's 20/20
by ladybug on Aug 4, 2007 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I generally want to agree
- Yes, we are where we are because of him. But where would we be if we had him, minus his glaring, glaring mistakes?
- Hindsight is indeed 20/20. It just so happens, however, that many of us have 20/20 foresight on his mistakes.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 4, 2007 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you don't know
It always starts off sounding like a good idea...then it goes down the crapper
by ladybug on Aug 4, 2007 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thing is...
We KNOW kotch can hit lefties, its just rare that Q playing instead costs us a game.
When Scoty is off his game, many of us KNOW he's not going to recover and its time to get somebody else in.
Its not the "in hindsight" calls that I'm challenging.
by 101halo on Aug 4, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
Next option please.
by Seik1177 on Aug 4, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, it's true that you can't instantly pull him
by 101halo on Aug 4, 2007 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
There were people yelling for oliver to be DFA'd less than a month ago and now people are "accepting" him coming into the game. This great game is very cyclical.
Shields will straighten out, he's a good pitcher with a lot of experience and I don't believe he has a case of Ervintitis.
by Seik1177 on Aug 4, 2007 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point
Its simply those couple of games now and then he's off. Scoscia doesn't even start warming somebody up until its too late. Usually
by 101halo on Aug 4, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
weird... it cut off.
by 101halo on Aug 4, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
I like many other people here get upset when I think I could run the team better, then I realize that there is a reason I'm posting my opinion on the net and not telling them to Arte.
by Seik1177 on Aug 4, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
What is scaring me is I think WTY is starting a spiral towards Ervinitis. Not a rapid one, but a slow one that hopefully he'll pull himself out of before he gets sucked completely in
by ladybug on Aug 4, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and there's also been instances
It's all a crap shoot-you're dealing with humans, not bots
by ladybug on Aug 4, 2007 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly my point,
by 101halo on Aug 4, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scioscia's "rigidity"
Scioscia's rigidity also brought us an average of 87 wins each season and some hardware.
Dave Garcia'a rigidity anyone? Gene Mauch's? Marcel Lachemann's?
by rbrianc on Aug 4, 2007 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing is guaranteed to work 100% of the time
There are two approaches I think. One is more short-term focussed and the other is more long-term focussed.
If you bat your slumping #2 hitting in the #9 spot, then you're putting him in a situation where you're telling him and the rest of the world that he's not valued as much. If you continue to keep him at #2, then you're saying that you think he will come out of the slump at anytime, hopefully immediately.
90% of the game is half mental.
I've noticed that Phil Jackson does the same type of thing when he doesn't call a timeout when most other teams would. Calling a timeout I think can give the opposing team momentum whereas not calling a timeout makes the opposing team somewhat confused. They're waiting for Phil to call a timeout because they're on a roll but he doesn't. He's sending a message to HIS team that he doesn't need to do anything, you guys can't resolve the issue ON YOUR OWN.
The other part of the theory I think, as it pertains to pitching, is that for the main guys, they can prepare themselves because they know they'll have a shot. If Shields goes down, he can mentally prepare himself for the next shot without worrying about whether he'll get it.
If I screw up at work, the first thing I want to do is fix it. The last thing I want to happen is not to be given a chance to fix it. And if my boss says to me don't worry about screwing up, I KNOW you'll make it right, that gives me incredible enthusiasm to do just that.
by melvintoast on Aug 5, 2007 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Being in first place ....
I grit my teeth and yell just as much as the next guy when Mr. Scot is pitching with his "Shields Down" - and yes, those 5??? blown holds stay with me - just like Frankie's 3 blown saves. Does that mean the Angels need a new set-up guy and closer? No. It just means that no one is perfect and the Halos wasted yet another strong pitching performance by a starter.
Now when itcomes to Soch and his stubborn streak - yeah, I second-guess a lot. But his players love him and they've won a whole lot more in the past 8-9 years than before that. This is my way of saying that we have to take the good with the bad and find some REAL issue facing the team - i.e. What's up with the rodents at the park?
by Grichfan on Aug 6, 2007 12:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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