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Angels WHAT TO DO: Francisco Rodriguez

Closer Francisco Rodriguez is a Free Agent. He made $10 Million in 2008 and that was after losing in arbitration. Mariano Rivera makes $15 Million a year.

Tell the Angels WHAT TO DO...

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For me, a closer is not worth that money. I say,if you want to keep the bats ,get rid of him and go with Shields or Arrendondo or sign a closer/trade..Free that money for a run at Tex or Manny ???..
Would Mannys antics survive in LAA ??

by raven191 on Oct 13, 2008 6:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Maybe, but consider this...

If Manny / Ortiz was such a success for the Red Sux then why not Manny / Vladdy. They both are good friends and Vlad would certainly step up his game with Manny around. Plus Manny has been Mr. October of the past 15 years.

by VladdyG on Oct 13, 2008 6:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and krod has been the anti-october the last two years.

If the Red Sox and Dodgers play for the World Series, I will not watch a single minute of a single game.

by NoDakHalo on Oct 14, 2008 8:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah nah nah nah...

Nah nah nah nah…

hey hey hey…

goodbye.

Jose, Jose Jose Jose…Jose….Jose.

http://inplaynoouts.blogspot.com/ - A blog about teams I like, written by me.

by Carl Johnson on Oct 13, 2008 6:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Let him go.

While I appreciate what he’s done and that he’s stuck with the organization for so long it’s too much money for his role that would be much better spent on another solid bat in our lineup.

Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!

by teopeht on Oct 13, 2008 6:31 PM PDT   0 recs

Stuck?

He had no choice but to stick with the club

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 13, 2008 10:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True, but I generally appreciate players who play well for a team

and don’t complain about this and that ala Manny. You take your lumps and play the game.

Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!

by teopeht on Oct 14, 2008 8:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd say let him walk

it’s likely the Mets would go after him and then the Angels would likely get their 1st round pick and a compensation pick.

I also appreciate what he has done like teopeht but he doesn’t seem to want to stay in Anaheim so it’s hard for me to want him to stay.

by MH252525 on Oct 13, 2008 6:32 PM PDT   0 recs

Well...

I can’t recall the source, but in a recent interview he was asked: if the Angels made him a good offer would he consider them first? And his answer was to the effect of “of course, these people have been my family for years now.”

So he’s playing the market, yes, but it’s not as though he wants a one way ticket out of the 714.

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Oct 13, 2008 8:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it was in

the Times last week. He said the Angels were his first choice, and did use the word family.

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Oct 14, 2008 2:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Depth will take a hit.

I don’t have a problem with losing the celebration king himself; however, it does significantly weaken the overall depth of the pen.

But yeah, K-Rod already seems to be a strictly 3-out guy. Pass.

by Floppy Bad Boy on Oct 13, 2008 6:42 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm of the theory of letting Frankie go, use the money to buy some good batters.

Let Shields and Arredondo take turns closing. Jespen and Loux, our long relievers. If we have more guys that can get the extra base hits and hit more long balls, then we should’nt have to rely on the closers so much. Yeah, that sounds good.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Oct 13, 2008 6:48 PM PDT   0 recs

FRANKIE WITH A HALO

I believe he is going to be painfully shocked that an offer for $15 Million does NOT come and he may come back to the Angels for $12 mill for 4 plus incentives.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 13, 2008 6:51 PM PDT   0 recs

I don't that I want Frankie

at any price. I wonder if Arredondo is ready . Frankie is not as nail as he was a couple of years ago.

Stay on the damn bag!!

by higdog on Oct 13, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agree

I am not so sure that any team is going to be willing to shell out the cash he wants. He’s blown it in the last two post-seasons and despite the record this year, many of those ninth innings were nail-biters when they really shouldn’t of been.

I am all in favor of keeping Frankie. And as much as I love Arrondondo, I’m still holding out to see how he does next year. However, Weaver in game 3 got me thinking. A young, emotional, hard throwing pitcher.

hmmmm….

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Oct 14, 2008 6:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wish

That would be a bargain and I’d love to see Frankie back for that. I think he’ll go for 4 yrs $14M and that will be too much for the Angels. It will be interesting to see how quickly Frankie is signed as I suspect Boras will want to stretch out the Teix negotiations which will somewhat handcuff the Angels. It will be a tough dilemma, to go for Frankie early or wait and play the Boras Teix game. The two are somewhat inversely proportional, not having one makes the other more important, but not really having the ability to have both. At least not unless we blow up the payroll, beauty of Arte is he’s the kind of owner who just might do that. Boras knows that if the Angels don’t sign Frankie than they will really need Teix, thus driving up the bidding war. Chances are high that we lose both however, hopefully we end up with 1 out of 3, CC, Frankie, Teix. More than 1 would be huge.

by LosAngel on Oct 13, 2008 11:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you may be right

But you never know the stupidity of others. Let’s hope we can get him back in the ballpark you mention.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Oct 14, 2008 2:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thats what i'm afraid of.

If the Red Sox and Dodgers play for the World Series, I will not watch a single minute of a single game.

by NoDakHalo on Oct 14, 2008 8:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

$12 mil

is the number that popped into my head when I thought about how hi I would go to resign him. I would consider giving him 5 years, or 4 plus an option year,

Pain heals, Chicks dig scars, Glory lasts Forever!

by billhune on Oct 14, 2008 9:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So may factors to consider if I am Tony Reagins or Arte Moreno;

1) What about the other options (Vlad, Lackey, Oliver, Teixiera, GA, Figgins, Rivera, Garland)?
2) What about overall payroll? Is the money better spent elsewhere?
3) Is Arredondo really ready to take over a pressure closer role? He seems to have the physical skills. Does he have the mental skills?
4) If not Arredondo, Shields? I don’t think so…too inconsistent, and he does not want the role. I can’t think of anyone else filling the role short of a trade or FA signing.
5) Frankie has shown he has great closer skills…but has had problems in the playoffs where success/failure is magnified (excluding 2002 when he was an unknown quantity).
6) Frankie is young and has held up well for 6 years. Do we commit 12-15 million a year for 4-5 years to a pitcher that is very young, but that has a violent delivery?
7) Does Frankie want to stay here, or is he selling himself to the highest bidder (i.e. any home town discount)?

This decision would be easier if I had a crystal ball. Good thing Reagins/Moreno are paid the big bucks. I would not go more than 4 years 11-13 million a year…too much risk otherwise. If Frankie received a higher offer, I would immediately start praying to any and all gods that Arredondo is ready to be a closer.

by sothball on Oct 13, 2008 7:06 PM PDT   0 recs

Mr.Moreno IS the big bucks.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Oct 13, 2008 7:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

we already have a few bad contracts

spending this much money on a closer is crazy. but even more so when we are wasting $10M to GMJ. Also spending $18M on Hunter — who is good, but not worth $18M.

Bye Frankie….thanks for 2002!

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Oct 13, 2008 7:07 PM PDT   0 recs

Thanks for 2002!

It was a thing of beauty, that cinderella story.

Good luck someplace else!

by LittleCupcakes on Oct 13, 2008 7:22 PM PDT   0 recs

Offer him 5/55

He walks, he either crawls back or we get some nice draft picks

Good luck Frankie!

by Los Angeles de Anaheim on Oct 13, 2008 7:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Thanks for the Drama Frankie...

Hope your new fans have stock in Rolaids.

Q: What's the difference between A-Rod and Madonna? A: Madonna had a couple hits last October...

by tdischino on Oct 13, 2008 7:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Scot and Jose are perfectly capable of inflicting their own brands of cardiac arrest on Angels fans.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Oct 13, 2008 9:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fuentes

Get Brian Fuentes!!!!

by docescobar07 on Oct 13, 2008 7:28 PM PDT   0 recs

Yep

He is rumored to want a lidge deal.

The Angels may have beat them 8 times in a row, but winning three before they do is all that matters.

by hauldog on Oct 14, 2008 10:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

See ya later!

Biggest ego on the team. Not worth the money.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Oct 13, 2008 7:35 PM PDT   0 recs

bye bye, Frankie!

it’s not worth it… heck, he wasn’t worth what he got THIS YEAR.

I’d take a shot at Fuentes for 2 years, but if no go, then go with Shields or Arredondo.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 13, 2008 7:53 PM PDT   0 recs

Fuentes???

This guy was on his way out at the end of the first half of 2007. Even though he was named to the AS team that year, he was the K-Rod [in a real bad way] for a while in that year’s Colorado Rockies’ bullpen.

Signing this guy would be like signing J.C. Romero all over again.

by BBFan1 on Oct 13, 2008 9:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

JC Romero

clutch pitching for phils….then again, it is NL baseball.

by SCHalo on Oct 13, 2008 10:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would

be open to the idea of re-signing him if the price is right, but I don’t want to get into a bidding war for him as he is not worth it. Make him an offer you think is fair and if he doesn’t accept (which he probably won’t), then happy trails!

Use the money to keep Tex or to get another bat and possibly a FA starting pitcher. We could also use some middle relief help, especially if we don’t re-sign Darren Oliver.

by Chzburger Jones on Oct 13, 2008 8:16 PM PDT   0 recs

apparently

Darren Oliver is considered a type A free agent as per mlbtraderumors.com

this is quite interesting. we may end up with good positions in the next draft.

"Here we go baby, 'bout f***'n' time!"

by b0rd3rline on Oct 13, 2008 9:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

or nobody gives Oliver a deal

if the angels offer arbitration. losing a top pick on oliver is not good business.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Oct 13, 2008 9:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To clarify

I think he’s saying OTHER teams won’t risk losing a top pick just to sign Oliver.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 14, 2008 9:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

tell him "coffee is for closers"

load the spaceship with the rocket fuel... load it with the warriors...

by gdog009 on Oct 13, 2008 8:18 PM PDT   0 recs

No Way on KROD

He was tremendously lucky this year to get all of those saves. If we keep him, we do it for no more than 10 mil.

Nolan Ryan for president!

by Dodger Hater on Oct 13, 2008 8:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Thank you for your service Mr. KROD

But it’s time to move on. Make Dondo, Escobar or even Weaver the closer.

by Doctor Wu on Oct 13, 2008 8:37 PM PDT   0 recs

Let him go

If we sign C.C. Sabathia as the rumor mill implies we will try and Escobar is healthy, it might be worth trying Escobar as closer. If we don’t sign Sabathia, we should still let K-Rod go and give it to Shields or Arredondo or both. Maybe we can be like the Rays and make the ALCS without having the same closer all season.

by RICangelfan on Oct 13, 2008 10:00 PM PDT   0 recs

C-YA

Please ohhhhh please say he is gone!!!

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 13, 2008 10:33 PM PDT   0 recs

Offer arbitration and get the picks

Take the picks. I agree with RICangelfan and Doctor Wu we should consider trying Escobar as the closer. I don’t really like Shields in that role and Arredondo needs more seasoning. Maybe we could also see if Bobby Jenks is available.

by 310Angel on Oct 13, 2008 10:49 PM PDT   0 recs

K-Rod

If he signed his long term contract [with the Angels] and blew out his arm, warming up in the Venezuelan Winter League…only then I would say K-Rod really somehow screwed the organization and its fans over.

I’m leaning towards letting K-Rod go, but really I have no animosity towards him, and wouldn’t mind if he was resigned to whatever he wants. We aren’t management but while it is obvious we want K-Rod out the door, I would let the Angels worry about resigning him, Teixeira or Lackey.

by BBFan1 on Oct 13, 2008 10:50 PM PDT   0 recs

Not worth keeping...

Will take too much money away from attempting to keep Teixeira…

by nzach54 on Oct 13, 2008 11:11 PM PDT   0 recs

I don't want the Angels to get stuck in a long term contract with him

He probably won’t get 15 million a year, but someone will probably give him a 4 or 5 year contract for 40 million or more. That’s just too big a risk. If he would accept a 2 year contract with a bunch of incentives and an option that would be fine, but I know he won’t accept that so it’s best to let him go.

by stolenbases on Oct 13, 2008 11:19 PM PDT   0 recs

So long chief

I would rather see Justin Speier closing next year than F-Rod. He will be nowhere near worth the money that he wants and he has lost so much velocity on his fastball since 2002 (which is what made him so effective). We could probably just bring up Jenks, Turnbow, or Wise from the minors and they would be good to go…oh wait….Lets just go with Escobar if he is healthy (remember how nails he was out of the pen in 2005).

by turs12 on Oct 13, 2008 11:29 PM PDT   0 recs

Definitely

Speier has been money for the Angels and is a reliever proven to ignite the flames of wrath.

by BBFan1 on Oct 14, 2008 12:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like the idea

of Escobar coming out of the bullpen. He could close if Arredondo doesn’t do well in that role since Escobar has closed with Toronto before or he could be a 7th inning type guy instead of Justin Speier. However I’d also be glad if he made a successful return to the rotation as he would be an upgrade over Jon Garland. I think he’s more likely to come out of the bullpen if we do end up signing a free agent starting pitcher like CC Sabathia or A.J. Burnett because in that case we would be 6 starters deep and Escobar is the most logical candidate to put in the bullpen since he is coming back from a serious injury and might not quite have what it takes to be a starter right away. So the way I see it, our rotation will either look like:

Lackey, Santana, Saunders, Escobar, Weaver or Lackey, Sabathia/Burnett, Santana, Saunders, Weaver.

Sabathia is probably more likely to be a Halo next year since it seems that Burnett is likely to stay in Toronto. If not that, then the Yankees since they have expressed a lot of interest in him.

Another thing I hope the Angels consider is possibly making a trade for Jake Peavy. Peavy apparently prefers to stay in the National League but would consider three unspecified American League teams. He has a no-trade clause. I think the Angels have the means to pull this deal off if they are able to re-sign Teixeira. If not, it will be tough. If we could re-sign Tex then players such as Kendrick and Morales become expendable in my opinion.

by Chzburger Jones on Oct 13, 2008 11:34 PM PDT   0 recs

Sign him...

if you want more heartbreaking postseason homeruns to crush the soul and spirit of the team (not to mention you).

I would tend to think that we have other relievers capable of doing that.

Goodbye you prancing, showboating, regular-season Rivera wannabe.

Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Oct 13, 2008 11:52 PM PDT   0 recs

Relievers may, or may not, grow on trees.

But Al Campanis’ apparently do.

Francisco Rodriguez: 2006 to Present: 149 saves. 5 Panthers. As fabulous as Pride, Romero, Gregg, Budde and Dino Ebel combined.

by Stirrups on Oct 13, 2008 11:57 PM PDT   0 recs

Goodbye Frankie.

I hope you don’t end up in a domed stadium, otherwise you’re going to look really funny pointing at the roof.

Your defending OPD champion. Respect it, bitches.

by bc56274 on Oct 14, 2008 12:13 AM PDT   0 recs

He will get so many saves...

he will eventually point a hole in the roof…

by Downing Rules on Oct 14, 2008 4:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Adios Amigo

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Oct 14, 2008 12:17 AM PDT   0 recs

I loved K Rod

We he has been increasingly less effective as his career goes on and he’s not worth 5 years at 75k. We will get by with what we have. So offer him arbitration and let’s get the draft picks.

Bye, bye K Rod.

by waters96 on Oct 14, 2008 12:35 AM PDT   0 recs

K-Rod

Happy traaaaaails, to you…….

Bryan Harvey- king of the 'Stache

by HaloDutch on Oct 14, 2008 5:58 AM PDT   0 recs

49 bye-byes

...on the road....

by Jack Kerouac on Oct 14, 2008 5:59 AM PDT   0 recs

I say we just replace him with 3 pitchers

who can get 20 saves a year. and then the Angels would still have 60 some saves a year.

by MH252525 on Oct 14, 2008 7:24 AM PDT   0 recs

Ha, nice

Great reference.

by Sethy on Oct 14, 2008 7:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

we platoon other positions, why not closer?

If the Red Sox and Dodgers play for the World Series, I will not watch a single minute of a single game.

by NoDakHalo on Oct 14, 2008 8:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That is creepy, Red...

Same idea – I just misspelled his name…

by jimmuscomp on Oct 14, 2008 12:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's barely above average

And should not command $15 million. That’s ridiculous. I thought $10 milion was high for a guy who never pitched in the eighth inning and blew something like what, 7 saves? Brad Lidge would be worth what he wants, even Rivera would be worth it, but Rodriguez, barring some kind of reinvention, is on the downhill slope. Let Shields close for a year with Dondo as his understudy, then let Jose loose in 2010 as the new closer.

That money should be lining Tex’ pockets.

by Kernel on Oct 14, 2008 7:27 AM PDT   0 recs

Wait him out without cutting ties...

and try to make every other deal in the meantime. Make a play for Tex, deal with GA’s option, extend Lackey and Vlad, make a play for C.C. or Burnett.

Basically leave him on the sideline until you shore up every other spot. If he’s there at the end great, if not oh well. I have a feeling nobody is going to jump at $15 million per/yr. action and there may be a decent deal at the end of free agency to keep him in house after he has exhausted all options.

by Wytelitning on Oct 14, 2008 9:17 AM PDT   0 recs

Don't re-sign him

He’s going to get a lot of money regardless (4 yrs at 12 – 15 million per, probably), and he’s not worth that. Not when we have decent backup options and we have much bigger holes elsewhere (ahem firstbase ahem). Thanks for the good times K-Rod, but we leave you to ply your trade elsewhere.

I am confused at all the people saying he is “barely above average” or otherwise disparaging his pitching (disparaing his ego is alright). Yeah, he’s going to be overpaid, but this guy is one of the top 5 closers in baseball. I happen to think he’s declining and probably won’t sustain this success for another 5 years, but he’s still darn good. His K-rate last year was 10.2 per 9 innings, by far the lowest of his career. I mean, even in his decline, he’s still good. And there’s at least some chance he bounces back next year.

Anyway, don’t sign him, let someone else take that risk and we get picks and the money to throw at a bat.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 14, 2008 9:32 AM PDT   0 recs

In my opinion...

No one who pitches 1-3 innings/ week is worth $12-15 million. His ability to break Thigpin’s record this year was obviously due to the Angels’ lack of offense and inability to break games open. That money should be used to sign Tex and maybe, just maybe, we can expand our margins of victories in ’09 thus giving us some cushion for a Jose/Shields combo (which they may not even need).

I'm your huckleberry

by autry's cowboys on Oct 14, 2008 10:02 AM PDT   0 recs

Offer arbitration, no long term deal. Let the Mets have him.

Watching the Phillies/dodgers last night, I was dumbfounded when I saw Brad Lidge pitch in the 8th and 9th innings. Do the rules really let closers do that? Shouldn’t our Mr. Bestest Closer In The World be able to do that successfully before comanding the highest salary ever for a reliever?

by snowhor on Oct 14, 2008 10:57 AM PDT   0 recs

agreed

Frankie was FAR more valuable in 2002 for exactly that reason. Our best pitcher was pitched when needed and not asked to get merely 3 almost arbitrary outs. The Soth is in the same boat with the vast majority of managers in this area though and it makes absolutely no sense.

by MH252525 on Oct 14, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Unless he takes a significant hometown discount...

Thank you for your services. You’ll be missed.

Dondo is ready. Use the money you save on Franky towards making sure we get Tex back in the fold.

by Ajax on Oct 14, 2008 11:15 AM PDT   0 recs

Let him leave.

The money is going to be needed for Tex. If Arte and the Ninja were willing to sign Torii for 18 million a year, then they should offer Tex 8 years for 25 million a year with options.

by AngelsFanInMinnesota on Oct 14, 2008 12:06 PM PDT   0 recs

bye frankie

"Halos Heaven All Time Saves Record Holder Genius Prognasticator."

by vlad IS my man on Oct 14, 2008 3:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Unless Frankie

wants to give us a hometown discount because he loves his “familia” in Anaheim, so that his “Familia” can use the money to sign more players to get us to the WS, I say Hasta La Bye Bye Francisco !

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Oct 14, 2008 4:33 PM PDT   0 recs