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TRADE BAIT: Figgins or Willits? (or BOTH!?!)

Figgy and Reggie are two of the most popular players among Angels fans. Figgins at least has contributed to franchise glory as the all-time Angels stolen base leader. Willits has done little more than look like the average Angel fan's neighbor with a monster truck. But cheer approvingly and purchase authentic jerseys with #s 9 and 77 is all Angel fans seem to do.

You might love their grit and intensity, but ask yourself... Is it time for the Angels to ditch these easily-replaceable spare parts?

Chone Figgins will be a free agent after the 2009 season. He turns 31 in January. In 8 postseason series he has a .207 batting average with 26 strikeouts, 10 runs scored and 5 RBI.

Reggie Willits will be eligible for salary arbitration after the 2009 season. He turns 28 at the end of May. Despite getting the loudest ovations in Angel Stadium next to Vlad and Teix, the guy is not a great baseball player. he can run, that is all he is better at than the average baseball player. The league adjusted tohis hitting style and in 2008 he did not adjust back. Of his 159 major league HITS, 133 have been singles.

With Gary Matthews, Jr. under a no-trade clause for 2009 and as competent an outfielder as either Figgins or Willits, could Scioscia's style of speed at the top ball mean dumping the thin speedy depth of Figgins and Willits in favor of one last try of GMJ as the everyday leadoff hitter? The $10 Million they pay Gary hurts to be on the bench - and that is a reality a LOT of offseason discussions just plain avoid. It is pretty easy to imagine Matthews rebounding just enough in '09 to outperform the singles-slapping Reggie-Chone machine.

We are not going to get anythign resembling major league talent for Chone or Reggie  unless either is the co-star along with Kendrick or Santana in a blockbuster. I do not see any team out there in need of semi-fast singles hitters. Perhaps a AA pitching prospect is the best one of these guys could bring.

Am I missing something or are Figgins and Wilits our smallest scraps of TRADE BAIT?

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Use your own philosophy

How many other teams would these guys be a starter on? I think Figgins could be a starter on alot of teams in the league which means he might be a bit better trade bait than we think. However, his versatility may be all the more reason to keep him.

Willits? I say trade him or send him back to Triple A and give some other prospect we got the chance he has had.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Oct 21, 2008 9:29 PM PDT   0 recs

i say both are trade bait

and pretty easily replaceable, IMO

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 21, 2008 9:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Chone stays one more year, plain and simple...he is our ONLY leadoff hitter

Willits is expendable and is a 25th man decision for next year’s roster or a throw in on any trade we make.

Entertain offers for both if they are made otherwise we work around Figgy. He needs a position. He proved to be a superb defensive 3b this season! (Never thought I would say that after 04 playoffs) This team needs more offense and Wood needs a position. It is either 3b or SS. LF makes the most sense for Figgy for 09.

Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!

by K3YEROUT on Oct 21, 2008 9:40 PM PDT   0 recs

leadoff

is the only value of figgins because he hits leadoff? and his versatility on field? its nice having a good leadoff hitter but realistically he only hits leadoff once a game. i think leadoff is a little overrated. i would just rather have the best hitters in the lineup then worry about if someone can hit at the lead-off position.

by HALO_86 on Oct 23, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Look at it as someone with a good OBP in front of Tex & Vlad.

Aybar and Izturis cannot be described as this. Figgins is our only option. Sadly though, Sosh will continue to be stupid enough to put Aybar or Izzy in the 2 spot (unless he’s still married to equally stupid idea of GA there).

by snowhor on Oct 23, 2008 1:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

RE: I do not see any team out there in need of semi-fast singles hitters.

The White Sox and Cubs are both pretty high on Figgins, from everything I’ve heard and seen. I’m sure we could package him up with someone else and get a pitcher… or whatever else we need.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 21, 2008 10:04 PM PDT   0 recs

Jim Leyland's always been a fan

Though i doubt Detroit has any players we’d need.

If GA wasn't so Lazy, I'd have something clever here.

by TheTypingFiend on Oct 21, 2008 10:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Miguel Cabrera

I kid, I kid

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Oct 22, 2008 10:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah I like Chone.

HGH has already proven that he was just another contract-year all-star in 2006 and is going to be a .240 hitter with the Halos. Who cares if he is getting paid 10 million dollars a year? He sucks and deserves to be on the bench regardless. I admire how Reagins was the first guy willing to admit that mistake and signed Torii Hunter.

Willits on the other hand does not deserve a place on the major league roster and I wouldn’t mind seeing him traded even if we get virtually nothing in return.

by Chzburger Jones on Oct 21, 2008 10:05 PM PDT   0 recs

Just talking about losing these guys bums me out,

but after that last postseason I feel like the only batters we should keep are Vlad and Tex. Chone and Reggie have provided game turning performances and excitement for many games that I’ve seen at the Big A, but they can’t hit in October which means they’re expendable.

by VladdyG on Oct 22, 2008 3:58 AM PDT   0 recs

Keep Figgins. Reggie, schmeh.

Let’s not forget, Figgins learned how to take a pitch this year. He had a lot of gritty AB’s. And 72 runs scored in 453 AB’s WITHOUT Orlando Cabrera hitting behind you is pretty good. And since ‘05 he’s been 1 year on → 1 year off. ’05 .290, ’06 .267, ’07 .330, ’08 .276. So, maybe ’09 will be an on year. The only proven guy in house who might possibly be able to hit lead-off anywhere close to as good as Figgins is the injured Izturis. Matthews would be my hold-your-nose next pick after Izturis.

Shine on, luminous panthers!

by Rally Manatee on Oct 22, 2008 7:42 AM PDT   0 recs

What's your argument?

Are you saying he’s slowed down going 1st to home? Snowhor is right. That’s not his fault, but the guys behind him. Like I said, without a consistent #2 like Cabrera hitting behind him, scoring 72 runs in 453 AB’s isn’t bad. If he had played a full season, he would have gotten around 100 runs, which is the benchmark for a good run scoring season. (Pedroia led the AL with 118 in 653 AB).

Shine on, luminous panthers!

by Rally Manatee on Oct 22, 2008 2:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

my 2 cents

willits sucks. he’s a pinch runner and that’s it. a good one. but defense and hitting sucks. plain and simple. he won’t get anything in value in return really.

you are way undervaluing figgy accross the league imo. he’d get a decent return in a trade. many teams could use his speed and ability to play so many positions.

i personally think it is time to trade figgy because of his FA status next year. Either trade him for much needed prospects…or Send him with another nice piece or two for a big bat. We simply can’t keep having a singles hitter at 3B. Unless you trade HK and move figgy to 3B. One of these guys should go, and i’d rather have HK.

We have other options for 3B. Wood’s time has come. If Wood goes to SS, then a trade for a real 3B needs to be made (Atkins, etc.). We also have izzy who can play 3B if needed while wood or someone else is ready.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Oct 22, 2008 7:43 AM PDT   0 recs

Willits is expendable. Figgy is replaceable.

I like Willits’ ability to walk, but it needs to be paired with an ability to hit.

Figgy had a decent OBP, far better than any of our in-house candidates to replace him in the leadoff spot (Aybar, Izturis, GMJ). So, if he goes, he needs to be replaced by someone from outside of the organization who has an ability to get on base.

by snowhor on Oct 22, 2008 10:02 AM PDT   0 recs

Willits is AWFUL...

Please get over Reggie Willits, folks. The guy simply isn’t a Major League player (and he’ll prove that again by struggling mightily in the Dominican League this winter).

We all like the guy we can most relate to, I understand that but, sheesh, Willits?

The guy can’t hit a lick, can’t field any of the outfield positions well, and isn’t anwhere as speedy as people generally assume him to be (is even the third fastest guy on the Angels? No).

If we could get anything for him, of course we should trade him. The thing is, though, is that nobody wants him because, again, he’s not a Major League caliber player…he’s a stopgap.

I’d be reluctant to trade Figgy, though, unless it will defintively make the team better. If the Angels trade Figgins for an “innings eater,” I’ll be tremendously disappointed.

Then again, if Reggie Willits is on the 25 man roster coming out of spring training, I’ll be even more disappointed.

Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Oct 22, 2008 10:11 AM PDT   0 recs

Figgy needs to come off the bench

I say trade Willits, put figgy back as a role or bench player..

Bring in Glaus or Jorge Cantu to play third.. We can get Cantu for a great price, he’s flying way under radar…

by Angel'sAngel on Oct 22, 2008 10:24 AM PDT   0 recs

Willits is a waste of a roster spot.

Trade him for a Low A power arm that projects as a reliever if you can get it.

The Angels may have beat them 8 times in a row, but winning three before they do is all that matters.

by hauldog on Oct 22, 2008 10:31 AM PDT   0 recs

Trade both

The problem with Figgins has always been that he blocks or is blocked by somebody else at every position. He can’t play SS, 2B, or CF because we ahve better players there. Now we have a couple in-house options at 3B, but we can’t play them because Scioscia needs Figgins to play to have a consistent baserunning threat. He was a good 3B for us this year, but starting him there only makes sense if we can make up for his lack of power at another position. I wouldn’t want to give him up for nothing, but I think if it were the right deal, Figgins should be traded.

Let’s also remember that, as dumb as the contract is, Gary Matthews Jr. was brought in to be a leadoff hitter after Figgins had a bad season. If I recall correctly, GMJ didn’t start his epic fail with the Angels until Scioscia moved him down in the lineup. In one article I remember him saying he changed his approach to be more aggressive and powerful than just trying to get on base at that point. He was a decent leadoff hitter when he first started here and it might be worth considering him for that role again if we can find the right deal to move Figgins.

As for Willits, there were rumors of the Padres having interest in him because of Bud Black’s familiarity with him. I think if we can promote how he did alright with regular playing time his rookie year, he might be able to bring the cost of say, Jake Peavy, down from requiring a thousand A+ prospects to 999 A+ prospects, an A/A- prospects, and Willits. If not, trade him for some minor leaguer to serve as a place holder on some farm team in a deal that wouldn’t really hurt either team involved.

by RICangelfan on Oct 22, 2008 10:56 AM PDT   0 recs

i think the answer to all of these trade bait questions is...

it depends.

i’d say just about everyone on our team is trade bait, given the ideal situation, other than lackey, saunders, santana, dondo, shields, naps, torii, and vlad.

figgy or reggie for AA prospects? not trade bait.

figgy or reggie included in a deal for peavy? trade bait.

If the Red Sox and Dodgers play for the World Series, I will not watch a single minute of a single game.

by NoDakHalo on Oct 22, 2008 10:56 AM PDT   0 recs

Willits has the best plate discipline of anyone on the Angels

Not named Teixeira. His arm is poor, but he has better range than anyone but Hunter. He’s a great 4th or 5th OF, pinch runner, and a guy who can get on base. He had a down year last year, but that was mostly because his BABIP was WAY down. That should come back up with better luck and he’ll be a league average hitter off the bench, albeit one with no pop.

I would play him any day over GMJ. The $10 million is a sunk cost. We’re not getting it back, so we might as well play the guy who’s better. Willits gets on base more, runs the bases better, and plays a comparable outfield. Keep him around since you’re not going to get anything from trading him anyway.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 22, 2008 11:30 AM PDT   0 recs

he only has plate discipline because he can't hit

so he takes pitches until he gets 2 strikes. Then he tries to foul off pitches to get a walk. ultimately either succeeding sometimes, but usually striking out or poping up.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Oct 22, 2008 7:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There's a lot of value in that

Considering the only other person on the team who takes a pitch every once in awhile is Figgins. This is why we see opposing starting pitchers with pitch counts in the 80’s in the 7th inning. No one made them work. When you’re down by a couple runs in the late innings, I would much rather see Willits come in to pinch hit than GMJ or Rivera, work the pitcher, see what he’s got. Yeah he might make an out, but like he had a better chance of getting on base than GMJ or Rivera (his OBP was higher than both) and he’s a better baserunner than either of those guys.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 23, 2008 10:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your closing sentence undermined your argument.

“Keep him around since you’re not going to get anything from trading him anyway”.
Question: Why wouldn’t we get anything from trading him?
Answer: Because other teams see he is not a MLB caliber player.

Reggie is a likable guy. Unfortunately, he just isn’t much of a hitter. if we can sucker some team into taking a chance on him, great! Take the trade!

by sothball on Oct 22, 2008 7:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not really

He has value as a fourth or fifth outfielder. My point was that I like him in that role on this team. But what teams want to trade for a guy like that when they are so easily found within the organization? We also won’t get equal value for him because he had a down year last year, batting average-wise.

You put all that together and there’s not much we’ll get back in trade unless we package him with someone else. It’s not because Willits doesn’t bring anything to the table, but any teams who the Angels approach about taking him off their hands will point to his batting average and make a lowball offer. The Angels would be dumb to sell low on Willits.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 23, 2008 10:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Willits bat does not play in a corner outfield spot

and his d does not play in center.

The Angels may have beat them 8 times in a row, but winning three before they do is all that matters.

by hauldog on Oct 23, 2008 10:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not starting, certainly

But you need defensive replacements, pinch runners, and guys to give other guys days off every once in awhile. Willits is great for that and he’s cheap.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Oct 23, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Let him pinch run and play defense

That is where his value is for the next year. He “good eye” is best used on the bench.

The Angels may have beat them 8 times in a row, but winning three before they do is all that matters.

by hauldog on Oct 23, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As a fan...

I really like Reggie, although his overall numbers are not that great (and his salary reflects this) there are some indirect advanatges to keeping him on …

1) The fans love him. Do they wish he brought more to the table? Of course, but we wish that about all our players.
2) Reggie eptitomizes the Angels squad as a whole. Nothing flashy, underdog (even after winning 100 games). Maybe short in talent, but overloaded with heart and passion.
3) Don’t forget, Reggie stealing home from 2nd to beat Oaktown was voted the #1 moment for 2008.
4) If Aybar would have laid down the suicide squeeze properly, there’s 110% chance that Willit’s is scoring.
5) Gives all the drunk people at Big A an excuse to chant “Reggie-Reggie” After all, the dude was named after RJ.

My wife calls him the “Waterboy.” He’s that little guy in the dugout always dreaming of getting a chance to get in the game.

My vote: Unless Scioscia changes his slash-and-dash offensive philosophy, I say keep the Oki-Dog.

by 3rd Echelon on Oct 22, 2008 12:28 PM PDT   0 recs

Figgins Is Good Trade Bait

Managers love him, but his speed will begint o decline fairlys oon, so if the Angels can get a good reliever or OF prospect I’d say pull the trigger.

by Kernel on Oct 22, 2008 12:33 PM PDT   0 recs

We have them both under contract for '09

I say unless we get a good offer or can package one or both for Peavey, keep ‘em for ’09 Figgy will probably be better and Willits most definitely would be better with more than 108 AB’s “Here and there” over a full season. If we trade Figgy, let Willits, GMJ, the Admiral (Aybar), and Izzy compete for the Lead-off position.

The World Series would be a lot better if the Angels were in it.

by Andyman on Oct 22, 2008 6:31 PM PDT   0 recs

Based on the question

Willits is NOT trade bait because in order to be bait you have to have something that other teams value and Willits is of no value to either us or anyone else.

by turs12 on Oct 23, 2008 12:46 AM PDT   0 recs

trade bait

i think willits is fine if he’s only a reserve OF. theres nothing wrong with inexpensive reserves. Figgins is awesome because of his versatility playing the field. i guess i’m old-school when it comes to what i expect from a players production numbers related to position played. i would rather have more power at 3rd. Move him to another position or trade him and get something of value for him.

by HALO_86 on Oct 23, 2008 12:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Sometimes these posts seem awful schizofrenic. Yah now people want to put GMJ leadoff!

  Give me a Figg- ing Break!
 #9 is far superior a player than GMJ.
   He is a much better leadoff hitter
  Trade him and spell our doom. ( at least until there is a real option at leadoff)

by Big Bad , "VLAD"! on Oct 23, 2008 1:14 PM PDT   0 recs

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