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Move Over, Donnie Moore

The reason the Donnie Moore game hurt so much was the absence of any contention on the part of Angels clubs in the years afterward. We were up 3 games to 2, I can recall when the team left for Boston thinking "Hey we just gotta win one game there." We lost two. Donnie Moore's 1989 suicide (after shooting his wife, by the way, who survived his assault) turned a bad pitch decision into a legend. The pain of Dave Henderson's 1986 ALCS HR grew as the dry spell extended. If there had been hope - and a few of us tried to manufacture some any way we could while the franchise was beaten into a medium-market pulp - Bob Boone's call for a forkball would not have weighed down on us for sixteen years, becoming more magnified with each passing season.

Since then...

Frankie's HR to Manny last year. Washburn's HR to Papi in 2004. Frankie's HR to J.D. Drew tonight. Doug Eddings in '05...

The simple presence of hope is the reason none of these terrible events has stung as sharply as Henderson's hit. We have a great hope in our franchise these days. Ownership has made a world-class commitment to maintaining a championship-caliber club. For years I had thought nothing could have hurt as much as 1986, but the pain of Wednesday's loss brought on a rumination... We were still up in that ALCS, we just had to win one game in Boston. There was all sorts of "We can do this!" and of course, "Yes We Can." We didn't, and so the pain is actually an amalgamation of hindsight understanding the crux of failure and the hellish direction toward which it turned the franchsis. The pain of 1986 unveiled itself slowly over the years and a lot of it was the memory of the pain, which again, had much hope intertwined at the every moment it occurred.

And so, Wednesday after the game and into Thursday's off-day and night and even this morning, establishing that the pain of the Donnie Moore HR was not the most acute pain, and thinking about previous painful escapades, I concluded that the pain of losing on Wednesday might be the most acute pain I had ever felt as an Angels fan. The '04 squeezing, the '05 umpiring and even the '07 straight choking were  distanced in their negative impact, maintained even, by the anesthesia of the 2002 World Championship. Knowing how rare 100-Win seasons are, this club was either going to be one for the ages or one hell of a disappointment. Wednesday's loss turned out to be a painful first piercing of the armor.

Friday's game was grueling, but I was so pumped at the comeback to tie the game tonight that I thought, consciously, that the pain was finally over. I was pain free for about 3 seconds. And then Frankie threw that pitch to J.D. Drew.

And now the pain is here and now the end is near and I am trying to write this as fast and furious as possible to avoid its intensity, the intense pain, I have given up the rah-rah as this is the most painful moment in the history of this franchise as we know we are beat and we know Teixeira is not coming back to a loser club and we know that it will never be this perfect coming into October in the next two dozen or more seasons and we know the Dodgers are moving on to the NLCS and Boston will have beat us again and we know we have to pretend that there is still hope, hah-hah, rah-rah, I am not giving up oh save it if you cannot admit to the brain-splitting pain I question your fanhood, you have to know the pain, the pain, the pain that is too acute, too intense, so tight in the neck, dry in the throat and sweaty on the wrists as I type this trying to ease the pain, hoping some of this blood-stoping numbness will take the pain with it but it will not and this franchise lost so many fans and so much of its future and I am melting, melting, meltin ... oh the world, the world... the world...

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i know now is NOT the time to pick

but it’s Wednesday and Friday night, not Thursday.

any day you want to name it, the bottom line is that we’re being manhandled. period. the entire team (save for Vlad and Tex, it seems) is HORRIBLY un-clutch, over-matched and mentally beat.

i would love to know why our relievers can’t sit for half an inning and still go out and do their jobs. i would love to know how mickey effing hatcher still has a job after series’ like this. i would love to know why reggie couldn’t squeeze that ball. i would love to know why howie utterly sucks right now.

i’m more dead than pissed right now.

this hurts.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 3, 2008 10:57 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You read for shit

I was ruminating on Wednesday and Thursday – as I clearly wrote in that piece.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 3, 2008 10:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm sorry

LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I CAN’T READ, AND AM, IN FACT, ILLITERATE.

and i’m not mocking you either, so please don’t take it that way.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 3, 2008 11:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I CLARIFIED IT

Wednesday after the game and into Thursday’s off-day and night and even this morning

thanks for not invoicing me for the copy-editing…

by Rev Halofan on Oct 3, 2008 11:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

look, i made a mistake

i’m sorry. i read past it probably too quickly and it was a bit unclear.
my bad.

i’m trying to stay positive-ish (or at least keep my mouth shut) so as to avoid Wednesday night part 2.

but thanks for clarifying just the same.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 3, 2008 11:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

small sample size.

;)

Give him another few dozen playoff games before making that assumption.

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 9:12 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to be honest

a lot had to go wrong for us to lose these games, but howie kendrick i feel deserves more blame than anyone. He looked so overmatched, so out of his game under the pressure….he just confirmed so many angel stereotypes that we’re not a playoff team, built for the regular season, lucky, etc etc etc.

1 or 2 hits by howie and this series is entirely different

by ihearhowie2.0 on Oct 4, 2008 9:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I called him a LOB of shit

just yesterday…I’m feelin’ your pain …

I’ll bet that Howard’s TV superstores are going to feel that pain, too. Imagine the lack of foot-traffic going through there the next few weeks — they won’t see any business until the Bowls and NFL playoffs kick off. Howie’s the spokesperson for their business. Oops.

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 9:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good Post

This season was our last chance for quite some time. Tex isn’t coming back. Vlad is getting too old. GA IS too old.

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Oct 3, 2008 11:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you forgot to mention

are young talent is disappointing

by UCIHalo on Oct 3, 2008 11:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Extremely Disappointing!

What about this great farm system I keep hearing about? I keep seeing great rookies come out on other teams, where are ours?

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Oct 3, 2008 11:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't know

Howie “Mr. Glass” Kendrick, oh i mean, Howie “epic failure” KKKKKKKendrick is supposed to be a good hitter

i just hope hatcher can teach him to be a little more aggressive at the plate

oh aybar is going to be great too

by UCIHalo on Oct 3, 2008 11:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you don't know how Howie is supposed to be a good hitter?

come on… i know you were around during the season. you saw what the rest of us saw. Howie is a great hitter. period.

what we’re seeing now, IMO, is a guy that never got his timing back after the injury. add that onto the already heavy pressure, and you’ve got yourself a very nervous, young hitter.

he’s in the big show, and he needs to get over it… i realize that. but it’s just an observation.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 3, 2008 11:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no denial from me.

he’s been bad.

again, it was just an observation.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 3, 2008 11:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are good at being passive aggressive

by being aggressive passive and producing the same level of frustration in peole on this board. Funny, it is starting to seem intentional on your part.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 3, 2008 11:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you think i'm intentionally trying to piss you off?

believe me, that’s the FURTHEST thing from my mind right now.
i’m trying to voice my opinion in a miuch calmer, much clearer manner this time around, once again, so as to avoid Wednesday night, part 2.

i really can’t do much more than i already am.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 3, 2008 11:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HK hasn't been good over the course of a full season yet

Color me unconvinced. And unlike Kotchman, whose 2006 could be written off as a genuine fluke (mono?), Howie’s hamstring injuries are exactly the kind of thing that will recur.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Oct 4, 2008 11:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not terribly convinced that this is wasn't a fluke

i could be wrong, but i don’d remember hearing anything about him having injury problems in the minors. why is it that he suddenly has some trouble with one leg? kinda freakish if you ask me.

maybe he’s just tweaking in the wrong way, and needs to make some sort of small adjustment. both times he strained the thing, it happened while running hard… does he need to stretch more? work on strengthening that leg?

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 4, 2008 11:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I agree

Santana, Saunders, Weaver, Arredondo, those guys all suck.

Why do people always forget the pitchers in this analysis?

by LA Seitz on Oct 3, 2008 11:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

E X A C T L Y

our farm system has more fruit on the tree that has matured and born results than almost ANY club in baseball.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 3, 2008 11:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

screw it

at this point give saunders or santana a bat and let them pitch hit. Jesus

Relax... Everything is fine

by Sinatrasratpack on Oct 3, 2008 11:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what good has our pitching done this offseason?

We need more offense

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Oct 4, 2008 8:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i fear the same with Tex

the series isn’t technically over yet, but i don’t know how we can come back from this…

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 3, 2008 11:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sign Manny then Sign Tex....

Don’t give me any CRAP, those of you that think the Halos have the same odds of coming back and winning the series against THE SUX !!! The odds are about the same.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Oct 3, 2008 11:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again I disagree

They’ll have four very high quality starters next year. That’s assuming they don’t re-sign Garland or anyone else. Honestly, I think they’ll sign Sabathia , but that’s a hunch.

Anyway, Lackey, Weaver, Santana, and Saunders mean they win the division next year. As for offense, who knows? Even when they have a good offense, they can’t score in the playoffs.

But the Angels will be in the playoffs next year.

by LA Seitz on Oct 3, 2008 11:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats the problem

we build for the regular season. we don’t need 5 above average starters, we need 3 awesome ones and a couple decent ones.

by UCIHalo on Oct 3, 2008 11:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm hoping they don't sign Sabathia.

I think he’s been overworked the past two years. He threw something like 240 innings last year and 250 this year. I seem to recall that he’d only topped 200 innings one other time in his career. My memory may be a little fuzzy about this, but I remember thinking his history kind of mirrored Bartolo Colon and we’d be getting an arm with too many miles on it.

by snowhor on Oct 3, 2008 11:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pitching wins championships huh?

We have had the best pitching in the league for years. How many championships have we won?

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Oct 4, 2008 8:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, but I disagree
The simple presence of hope is the reason none of these terrible events has stung as sharply as Henderson’s hit. We have a great hope in our franchise these days.

2002 changed everything. Those games would hurt almost as much, be we’ve got a World Series. Yeah, we have the promise of more, but without that one, those games are daggers.

Also, the Moore game turned a win into a loss. The games you reference turned potential wins into losses. But they would have lost in 2005 anyway. 2004 too.

by LA Seitz on Oct 3, 2008 11:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2002 changed everything.

So true. I am not in pain this morning, because I can still open my eyes and see reminders of a ring at one time in my lifetime. It’s all good.

This has been a great regular season team, but oh well, beat again by the Red Sox. At least we lost to a really good team, one that knows how to win.

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 8:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2002 did change everything

Expectations.

This is why it hurts so much.

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Oct 4, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is a pivotal moment in the franchise

I hope mentally we dont loose it.

One thing, If Coco is called out at second Frankie pitches a lot differently to JD and this could be a different outcome. Sometimes certain teams get all the calls, Just think when Michael Jordan drove to the basket and missed a shot, the whistle was blown becauwse “Hey he must have been fouled” it is the same here. Not for one individual but an entire team, check swings dont get called, bang-bang plays never go our way, pick offs dont happen for us (by the way was the ump just plain lying he said he tagged him on the arm but the arm was no where near the tage like he just had to say something and made it it up)
This is what hurts the most, knowing that if it came down to a close play we can’t count on it going our way. This is how it goes when things are down

Relax... Everything is fine

by Sinatrasratpack on Oct 3, 2008 11:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree it was a bad call

but playing the “what-if” game is only going to make this worse.

this sucks… badly. but we’ve got to try and forget about it.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 3, 2008 11:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ed Rapuano deserves a kick in the balls

He can’t call a check swing. He can’t call a pick off. He is a true cocksucking piece of shit.

by LA Seitz on Oct 3, 2008 11:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

an eddings disciple

I know that what if game is a slippery slope, I was more pointing out how the breaks neve rgo our way against certain teams Yanks and BoSox, it almost feels like we are playing froma deficit from the get go.
Doesnt it feel like we are always playing from behind?

Relax... Everything is fine

by Sinatrasratpack on Oct 3, 2008 11:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what if reggie made that catch ... the ball is in your glove, sorry, but that needs to be caught

what if frankie threw a fastball or a slider instead of 4 changeups in a row to drew?
what if ervin showed a fastball inside to bay in the 1st inning, instead of 5 sliders in a row?
what if this team could get a xbh with runners on?
there are plenty of what ifs, mostly concernign what if the angels could hit

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Oct 3, 2008 11:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What IF....My Aunt had Balls....

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Oct 3, 2008 11:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what if ....

I was not second guessing strategy, or what if Soth put in so and so, or should of thrown a fastball etc… those are hypotheticals.
I am speaking of Facts…… the tag at second was no where near cocos arm as the umpire said he was out by a mile That is a fact. I am just stating that a bad call just because its not in the highlights that sportscenter will show didn;t seriously effect the outcome of the game.
Your responses even in typed from seems smug

Relax... Everything is fine

by Sinatrasratpack on Oct 3, 2008 11:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sick of hearing this

That was a hard fucking catch to make

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Oct 4, 2008 8:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again, I don't understand why we can't do all the thing s we normaly do in the regular season

in the postseason. Honestly. Learn to pitch.

http://inplaynoouts.blogspot.com/ - A blog about teams I like, written by me.

by Carl Johnson on Oct 3, 2008 11:06 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

slider slider slider slider slider ... homerun bay. fastball changeup changeup changeup changeup ... homerun drew

when a boston hitter knows what is coming, he hits a homerun. the angels rarely get that deep in a count, and are happy with a single.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Oct 3, 2008 11:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My take on it

The better team has won the last two games. I don’t see what is so demoralizing about it. Never once in either of these games did I count on a win, I hoped, but come on, we have watched this team all year and know when a loss is coming. Maybe if they blew a 3 run lead, or had gone into the 9th with the lead. But a 1-0 lead in game 1, and scratching out a tie after so many epic failures with risp, nah, this isn’t so bad and it’s how most of their losses have looked … for most of Scioscia’s tenure. The team needs a different approach, it is no longer a mystery what scioscia or the angels are about, and it’s been exploited in the playoffs to the tune of 9 straight losses.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Oct 3, 2008 11:07 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It also shows what a load of crap the team offensive strategery is

I wrote this screed about firing Mickey Hatcher two years ago, and absolutely nothing has changed. The bottom line is that the Angels have not developed a top-of-the-line offensive player with their RISP2 voodoo. They need to ditch it.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Oct 4, 2008 7:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

right

that’s what i was saying.
just relying on small ball doesn’t cut it anymore. we need to ditch that (and probably hatcher) and reform the way we think offensively.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 4, 2008 8:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hatcher

I don’t want to turn into a moneyball team, but the Sux know we are free swingers. They throw balls and we swing at them. It’s got to stop.

Bye Bye Ohio, hello Valencia!

by anaheimisnotla on Oct 4, 2008 2:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cheers!

"i got 5ive on it"

by Funke5ive on Oct 3, 2008 11:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

finally someone with hope...

Show 'em your a panther... Show 'em what you can do....

by stuck in Romania on Oct 3, 2008 11:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We optimists need to brace ourselves.

Sunday’s game thread is sure to be chock-full of Doom-mongering.

~Till the Halo burns out...

by Zu Long on Oct 3, 2008 11:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then the optimists need to be OVER-OPTIMISTIC

That’s the only way you are gonna get heard in that game thread.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Oct 4, 2008 8:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two things to remember

(1) This series is not over. Really. Truly. Do not assume it is over.

(2) When the Sox lost in 2003, I seriously contemplated giving up on them. It was unhealthy, I decided, to feel as bad as I did over something about which I had no control. But a month later I was sucked in again and debating off-season moves and things have been great ever since. The Angels have a great ownership and a good front office. As painful as this may be now, do not give up. The Angels are a very good team, will be close to the mountaintop again soon, and you do not want to miss out on that ride (especially if they mount an all-time comeback in this series and win it).

by GoSox on Oct 3, 2008 11:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude, I know you're hear to console and whatnot

But seriously, get lost. This is not a good time for “GoSox” to be posting here.

Again, nothing offensive in your post, but seriously, if you were in front of me right now, I’d be suppressing the urge to want to kick the shit out of you.

by LA Seitz on Oct 3, 2008 11:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i would have just shot him in the face.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 3, 2008 11:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think it's over either, heck, I didn't think it was over last year ... until they fell behind

Before the game I always think they’ll win. Not once during these two games did I think, oh, we got this one. I’m not destroyed by these losses. Now, had they been up by 2 or more runs … and then lost, I would be a different animal.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Oct 3, 2008 11:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do Yourselves a favor...

Don’t Let GOSOX to get to you. I don’t have any problem with any Sox fan. He can’t control what the Halos do on the field.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Oct 3, 2008 11:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you're being overly dramatic here, Rev...

While tonight’s game was painful, it wasn’t nearly as bad as 1986.

In 1986, we didn’t have a World Series title. In 2008, we do. They can’t ever take that away from us.

We weren’t leaving in the ninth inning tonight, we were on the cusp of going to the World Series in 1986. Even though we only had to win one game in Boston in 1986, I knew we were dead after that debacle..

Your defending OPD champion. Respect it, bitches.

by bc56274 on Oct 3, 2008 11:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When you consider

there is that big belief that Tex will walk and GA will not be back and Vlad is getting older and slower it makes one think this is the other side of the mountain.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 3, 2008 11:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats the past and this is now

I was one happy Angel fan then but it tends to wear off its not a 5 year celebration

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 3, 2008 11:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, fine, forget 2002.

1986 was still worse than this. I remember crying after Donnie Moore gave up that homerun, tonight I was almost expecting it. It never felt like we were going to win this game tonight, in ’86 it was in the bag.

Your defending OPD champion. Respect it, bitches.

by bc56274 on Oct 3, 2008 11:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that I will agree with

I started this series with hope but not expectations just because they had won a 100 games or beat the BoSox 8 of 9. So I will agree with your post about 1986. I remember it like yesterday. 1 more strike………….

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 3, 2008 11:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By nature Iam an optimist

and I want to agree with you, but imagine the Cubs fan, an old man, in the 1950s saying “We will always have 1908” … didn’t live to see another.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 3, 2008 11:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's be realisitic.

Even this team is way outclassed. Living in the confortable confines ofthe AL West. What I saw was a team that could not deliver.

Most complete team in baseball? yeah whatever

Soth threw everything but the kitchen sink at these fuckers and still couldn’t get it done.

Let no joyful voice be heard! Let no man look up at the sky with hope! And let this day be cursed by we who ready to wake... the K-Rod!

by Scuff on Oct 3, 2008 11:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's tough to say

but i do think boston is a better team then us.
also built better for the post season then us

by UCIHalo on Oct 3, 2008 11:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm completely and utterly dumbfounded

how is it that I can watch a team beat another team 8 out of 9 times and come back a few months later without even on frigg’n win.

Everyone always says “it the post-season, everything changes in the post -season”

Pure horse-shit. Same game right? Same players? What has changed? It’s as if somone flicked a switch.

Let no joyful voice be heard! Let no man look up at the sky with hope! And let this day be cursed by we who ready to wake... the K-Rod!

by Scuff on Oct 3, 2008 11:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a trigger

not a switch!

"i got 5ive on it"

by Funke5ive on Oct 3, 2008 11:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

go back and look at some of the pitchers we were facing when we played boston

when you face them in the post season, you have to deal with their top three.

by UCIHalo on Oct 3, 2008 11:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reason

Short series, teams match up pitchers, you will not miss there number 1and 2 guy because they pitched the series before and instead face 3,4and 5 in the rotation.

Red Sox starters against the Angels were:
David Pauley 2 GS
Lester (Hansen took the loss/traded away)
Masterson (Lopez/Delcarmen took loss)
Buchholz (L)
Beckett (L, 8inn)
Wakefield
Matsuzaka
Buchholz
Beckett

Thats the 9 starters in order (all series were 3 game series) and as you can see they never faced the top 3 guys in a row at any time.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 3, 2008 11:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let see

They did not have to face 3 quality guys in a row in any series played this year, and as much as I am not a fan of Varitek he was out of the lineup and not catching, he is a huge part of the success when you talk about the pitching staff, and Lugo was at SS. In the second series of the year the BoSox played Varitek once with Lugo still trying to play SS, and Sean Casey still in the everyday lineup. Then when they played them in July the Manny shit was strong and the team was a mess with clubhouse problems.

This Red Sox team is by no means the same team from the regular season. They are a much better team and a team that has won recently with Bay being a huge part of their success since he was acquired.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 4, 2008 2:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go to 8:18 TO 8:32

This is exactly what Frankie decided to do at the end of the game, JD Drew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0rwG39Jzk

Again, at 8:18 to 8:32.

La. La la la la la…All right, that’s enough!

BOOM.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 3, 2008 11:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I must have drank way toooooo much tonight

but for some reason I feel that we can win three in row. Seriously, they won two games in our house now we are going to win two games in their house. Let’s take the next two and make this a one game series at home.

by Halo21 on Oct 3, 2008 11:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diehard? Whatever.

Inning uno, I got called out after I posted an explitive about turning the game off, saying eff this shiz about voodoo’s inability to close out the inning and giving up 4 runs.

Some “true” diehard told me to leave HH…an 02’er , im guessing, who had all the sugar-coated hope in the world that the mighty angels could pull it out against the sox.

Not to rub shit in, as I’m feeling this pain as much as the next, but man, no need to call out the cynic who has endured the Autry era…pop in the Mighty Ducks dvd and have a laugh or two, and accept that there are people who are on HH that are pissed the FUCK off and don;t have the elitist that you’re not a true fan if you always think the glass is half empty.

On that note,
Fuck this season.

by clover_black on Oct 3, 2008 11:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

i see your point, but we do have an F-Bomb rule on this site, how about i give you a dollar for evry one of your posts without the f-word and you give ten dollars for everyone that does, which would be just about EVERY one of your posts.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 4, 2008 12:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dress that moose Rev, dress that moose.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Oct 4, 2008 12:07 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I get saucey whenever I see Frank Caliendo on TBS

I’ll refrain from the f’bombs ..it’s just hard.

whatever.

by clover_black on Oct 4, 2008 12:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The future of the franchise hinges on Tex

If Arte can sign him the Angels will be contenders for years to come. And honestly, it’s going to come down to money, not wins. So, let’s just hope he backs up the brinks truck.

by 10 27 02 on Oct 3, 2008 11:45 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just wrote my friends on Myspace

This post, which is harsh, but I couldn’t be more heartbroken right now…

Thank you for the amazing 100 win season. I had an awesome time cheering you on.

Unfortunately, you have turned into complete retards for the post-season. I cannot devote any more time or energy or passion into your BULLSHIT losing against the most horrible ridiculously ASSHOLE-ISH team in baseball, the Red Sux.

I hate them more than anything in the world right now. More than the Yankees. More than ANYTHING. AND I LOVE YOU GUYS.

But, I cannot sit back and be taken advantage of any longer. I’m sorry. It’s horrible. To show me so many wins during the regular season, only to go to the division series and turn into chumps against the most doucherific team in baseball.

You have broken a record for the most consecutive losses against any one team during the post-season. And that team just happens to be the most ridiculously cunt-erific team in baseball.

I have officially stepped aside now. I will NOT be buying any regular season tickets to your baseball games next year. If you so happen to make it to the playoffs and the fuckface Red Sux do not, then I MAY indulge myself into buying a ticket.

But, as of right this fucking second, I am so disgusted with the way you have presented yourselves in the post-season. I will not spend all the money and time on you.

Again, thanks for the wonderful season. And FUCK YOU for these post-season losses.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Oct 3, 2008 11:57 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stop waving a white flag...

get out the RED ANGELS flag and keep waving it, not a surrender flag.

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 8:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn right

get out that flag, I’m getting out my Angels hat on Sunday (even though it scares the hell out of me to wear it during a game). But win or lose I’m going down with this ship.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Oct 4, 2008 8:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I remebered how to cry

I would be crying right now

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Oct 4, 2008 12:16 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/weeee

Is what we’re doing right now.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 4, 2008 12:17 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously thinking about not renewing my season tickets

The most ungodly fuck up I have seen all year. (I haven’t used one F-bomb all year, so I’ve been saving up.) This team is over. I don’t use half of them, and when they choke like this, I just get furious. It’s no fun.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Oct 4, 2008 12:17 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not me

I’m married.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Oct 4, 2008 12:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manny is locker room cancer

If he joins the Angels I will be royally pissed!

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Oct 4, 2008 8:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tell that to the Dodgers

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Oct 4, 2008 8:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome!

I love people like this… it means that my chance for better seats is increasing! Downing Rules, front row 2011! WOO HOO!

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 8:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey...

At least we’re not the Mariners…or the Cubs. As long as ownership is committed to winning, this is a winning organization. But a few things need to be done first.

1. Replace the Relievers
Shields, Speier, K-Rod. It’s pretty clear by now that K-Rod is unclutch when it actually matters.

2. Resign Tex
Totally worth it.

3. Fire “Hacking” Hatcher
Hatcher himself admitted that Tex is teaching the team how to take pitches. Isn’t that the job of the hitting coach?

4. Sign Manny
Just for the purpose of messing up the Red Sox should we (inevitably) meet them again.

And on the plus side, we get Escobar back. See you all next season!

by atung on Oct 4, 2008 12:31 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

F- Stick

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 4, 2008 12:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think what Frankie accomplished

this season was pretty incredible. But the sad truth is, FOR NOW, all he will be remembered for is this HR he gave up to cost us the game.

However, to keep this whole thing in perspective, this was pretty much a team loss. Too Many runners left in scoring position. Errors, you name it, perhaps some over-managing by Scioscia as well.

While being a realist here knowing the odds are stacked against the Halos, IT AINT OVER WITH YET.
Maybe, just maybe now the guys can relax and play knowing they are expected to loose the series.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Oct 4, 2008 9:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You cannot

leave 11 men on base against the Sox and expect to win.

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Oct 4, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I gotta admit..

Donnie Moore crossed my mind last night. Regardless of the championship our team won in 2002, the image of Donnie bent down after that homerun is still present in my mind. Seeing the ball from JD Drew fly out brought that image back. Seeing this image….almost surreal!

by Ducky22 on Oct 4, 2008 2:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

F-You Rod

After the 2002 post season he is now:

9 appearances
0-3 (all against the Red Sox) of course the walk off HR he gave up to Man Ram was credited to Speier or he would have one more L
3 saves
12 innings pitched
16 hits
7 BB / 11 K’s
7 runs
ERA 5.26

Man give him the contract ………

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 4, 2008 12:58 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Im so done

wasting time and money on this team. They fool us every year by playing like gangbusters in the regular season only to turn into pussies in the playoffs. Don’t call me a bad fan, but I’m not even going to watch the game Sunday, why ruin a weekend? I would, however, wish that the Colonel tune his arm up to play that song known as “Chin Music.” Sorry to sound so down.

by Doctor Wu on Oct 4, 2008 1:01 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm never done.

But, I agree in that they need to throw inside. I was shouting it during game 3 last year. Nobody heard me.

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 8:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chowds just need 1 not 5 to knock the team out

Like your undying allegiance though

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 4, 2008 1:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good call..

this’ll probably piss a lot of people off but compared to last season the angels have showed a lot more life this time around against the sox. the hitters are hitting (tex, vlad, hunter, GA-gm 1, figgy-gm 2) and yeah some XBH would be great but they’re hitting… lackey pitched good wed. santana had a bad inning and pitched well. krod ok fine you got me there. the halos are competing, bottom line, and 1 HR, 1 double, 1 win sunday could change the momentum in the series. i dont think id have any other pitcher BUT joe saunders going in this situation sunday, his demeanor is perfect. ill call a halos win sunday it aint over til its over

Krod save count (62) ... Rob's blinkie cup collection (8)

by BigBangRobbDawgg on Oct 4, 2008 3:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's disheartening

That’s probably the understatement of the year.

I knew the Angels were going to lose when K-Rod came into a tied game. Knew it, and said so to my friend (a Sox fan) who joined me at the game.

Because I cannot bear to watch the grisly end on Sunday, let me take a moment now for a couple of thoughts.

Thanks, Mark Teixeira, for reminding this franchise what a premiere hitter in his prime looks like. It’s been a pleasure to watch you hit. Enjoy the money in Baltimore or New York.

Thanks, K-Rod. Just as Rick and Ilsa will always have Paris, we’ll always have 2002. Enjoy the money in New York, Chavez Ravine or wherever you wind up next.

Thanks, GA, for everything. A class act all the way. The consummate pro. Enjoy the rocker.

Thanks, Jon Garland, I guess. For something. Oh yeah, you autographed my program after a game this season. I appreciated that. Thank you very much, and best of luck in your future endeavors.

Juan Rivera – if this is the end of the line for you in Halo Red, thanks for some truly memorable HR blasts. As you finally hit 30 HR for someone else next year, I’ll think back wistfully about what could have been.

To the rest, see you in April.

Yeah, I have given up on the season, but not on the team.

by jjackflash on Oct 4, 2008 1:20 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't think Juanny Rivers is hitting 30 for anybody

1) He doesn’t have the health skill
2) He’s a second-half performer.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Oct 4, 2008 7:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish I could help ease your pain, Rev

but all I can do is say that I know how you feel. Still, the one thing I have that I didn’t in 1986 is Angel fan fellowship. Back then, a lone Angel fan deep in Dodger country, I was alone in my misery. Now, I have a wife who is as rabid an Angel fan as I, and a place to go where I can commiserate and get some words of hope to remind me that all is not yet lost.

It sounds corny. It is corny. But there it is.

". . .and the young lions will lock horns!" -- Ron Fairly, from an Angels telecast

by rspencer on Oct 4, 2008 1:22 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

please don't go making us look bad on other teams blogs.

as much as i despise self aggrandizing sox fans, look at how our team is being portrayed on national television. from the 7th inning on, the Big A looked and sounded like Fenway West. we were being outcheered in a home playoff game. i realize this has been happening every time the sox come to town for 2 decades, but this is the playoffs. how are these scoundrels getting tickets?

i’m embarrassed by the crowd shots shown on tv. grown men sobbing with freakin’ plush monkey dolls draped around their necks. thunderstick banging. our fanbase looks as if a party prop store threw up on them. is the action on the field not enough to keep our attention without the assistance of dolls and plastic toys? if anything constructive can be pulled from this/these monumental defeats, it may be the watering down of our fanbase. maybe johnny come lately angel fan will hop on the yodgers bandwagon this year. can we stop with the gimmicks already. the rest of baseball is laughing at us.

i stand with you in your annoyance of sox fans, but it makes us look pretty pathetic to get our asses handed to us and then go tell the other team how to be gracious winners. if we don’t like how they win, stop them from winning. scoreboard is everything. your post over at OTM really just colors you bitter.

How is Gary Disarcina not in the Halo of Fame?

by Clutch_&_Scoop on Oct 4, 2008 1:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

This was born out of bitter disappointment and disgust—seeing their self-congratulatory arrogance fest over there pushed me over the edge.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 4, 2008 2:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i didnt really think the big a was fenway west on fri night

if anything our fans are a lot better and louder this year. so what if the rally monkey is a gimmick? its ours and it doesnt really matter what other people see it as. same with the thundersticks. if thats what it takes then fine. fans are there to cheer for their team, yeah from an outsider’s perspective we all look ridiculous. But the self-conscious fan is the not cheering and not caring fan. I cant stand east coast fans, and if this is what it takes to distance ourselves from that then so be it.

by linkbruin on Oct 5, 2008 1:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This one hurt the more then 1986

- this is the best halo team ever and with the most wins ever. we were the favorites to win it all the whole year. we gave up a future 1b to try to win this year

-we built a team just to beat the one we are losing to now. each game was winnable and we just didn’t play like we did in the regular season

-this was our opportunity to prove to the whole sports nation that we were a force to be reckon with. in the process plant a seed to start a dynasty like the yankees or even build a passionate fan base like the red sux. remember the goal of arte moreno and why he has added LA to our name.

if we lose this series it will be the same. next year we will continue to get NO credit from the media and from sportswriters throughout and i hate this because i know what a quality club we have

all that being said we win sundays game and i think we are right back in this thing

by stezo on Oct 4, 2008 1:43 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mayhaps

Yet mayhaps it’s too late.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 4, 2008 1:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will be beyond pissed

if Kotchman’s departure was all for naught. I don’t mean not winning it all this year, I mean not signing Texierra. It would go down as one of the all-time dumbest moves this franchise ever made, trading a future superstar for nothing.

Nolan Ryan for president!

by Dodger Hater on Oct 4, 2008 12:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

future superstar?

that may be reaching a little bit.
Casey was a great player, and he’ll always be solid, but he’s no superstar

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 4, 2008 12:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am 100% with you. Maybe I am more screwed-up than anyone for remaining optimistic.

I think this series if FAR from over.
Does it hurt to see K-Rod serve up ANOTHER gopher ball…especially after FINALLY tying the game after 8 innings of LOB’s (5-6 in scoring position?), shaky defense, few clutch hits, almost no power and horrible AB’s by HK, Mathis, and Aybar? Oh yes, it hurts a lot.
Boston has played well, (big hits with runners on base, good defense, pretty good pitching, especially from the closer). But I STILL believe they are beatable in this series. It’s weird, but I don’t feel any panic or ultimate dread like I did in 2004 or last year.
I REALLY believe this year…it’s not over until it’s over.

One last note…next time, don’t use Bobby Grich to spell-check “Angels”.

by sothball on Oct 4, 2008 8:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that the Halos are

expected to lose the series, maybe they can relax and play the type of ball they have been playing and winning with all season.

GO HALOS

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Oct 4, 2008 10:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's only Friday. Sunday's a comin'

You would think a reverend would know better.

(Just sit Howie, insert S-Rod, and watch all heaven break loose…)

Francisco Rodriguez: 2006 to Present: 149 saves. 5 Panthers. As fabulous as Pride, Romero, Gregg, Budde and Dino Ebel combined.

by Stirrups on Oct 4, 2008 5:24 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's not on the roster.

you’d have to throw Figgins at 2nd and Wood at 3rd.
or Aybar to second and Wood at SS.

i’d rather not see the Q

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 4, 2008 9:07 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

howie needs to sit no doubt

figgy 2nd, aybar SS, wood 3B … not that aybar’s done any more than howie but howie is utterly lost this series. id like to see KMO start RF sunday.. juan’s 1P out killed me last night.

Krod save count (62) ... Rob's blinkie cup collection (8)

by BigBangRobbDawgg on Oct 4, 2008 3:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep.

This shit still hurts as bad this morning as it did, well, this morning (here in the East).

I’ll be trying to find ways to forget this game, including tailgating and watching my Columbus Crew play LA. If the Crew weren’t playing LA I’d wear an Angels hat. Swear to God I would. I’m friggin pissed beyond words at several of the Halos (looking at you Howie and Frankie), but they’re still my boys.

by ViolaHalo on Oct 4, 2008 5:37 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know, it's funny

The worst feeling I’ve ever had while watching baseball was in 2006 when we lost the division to Oakland with 5 infielders at the Coliseum. It was a new feeling, foreign and miserable, and to this day I still remember looking down at a table in a bar in New York and realizing that the season was over.

Last night wasn’t has bad as that. I don’t really know why. It probably has something to do with my first postseason game being game 2 of the ‘05 ALCS, so I don’t even understand what it’s like to actually, you know, win. It almost feels normal to lose in the playoffs. Every team I like does.

Whatever. I’ll be at game 3, it will likely be a miserable experience should the Red Sox win, but you know what? I take a small degree in comfort having seen the best regular season this franchise has ever put together. I watched what may have been the last productive season out of Vlad Guerrero. I likely saw Garret Anderson for the last time. I saw Erick Aybar make a catch I thought impossible. And I watched Torii Hunter hit a grand slam to win a game on my birthday, a game I was sure we would lose.

So, really, all is not lost, and if our season does indeed end on Sunday, I’ll still be counting down the days to spring training.

http://inplaynoouts.blogspot.com/ - A blog about teams I like, written by me.

by Carl Johnson on Oct 4, 2008 6:55 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think?

The writing was on the wall that year. The Angels were in a transitional season, introducing kids while saying adieu to some of the veterans (Salmon). The Angels were streaky.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Oct 4, 2008 7:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Represent, man.

Nice positive post, one of the first I can recall from you! ;)

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 8:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

glass half-full outlook from you, my friend ?

are you still drunk ? i like the positive vibe though, def. enjoy the game. i think joe’s gonna be special sunday i really do hope you get to see it first hand

Krod save count (62) ... Rob's blinkie cup collection (8)

by BigBangRobbDawgg on Oct 4, 2008 3:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Being an Angels' fan has always been tough

Last night, ranks right up there. We like this team too much. When the Sox scored four in the first, my heart just broke. I gave up, turned off the TV. Then followed on Gameday audio and Gameday as the Angels crawled back and then broke our hearts again. It was a semi-sleep night. I don’t have any faith that the team can even beat the Sox in one game. I hope that I am proved wrong but I have been waiting since October 12th, 1986 for the Angels to beat the Sox again in the post-season. It is now 11 straight losses and it is wearing on me. But I will be back, being an Angels fan is who I am. One last thing, thank you GA for many years of memories. I wanted a second ring for you and another contract so you could finish you career as a Halo with dignity.

Angels in 08!

by tanana40 on Oct 4, 2008 7:40 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will try to stay positive

I know it isn’t over and the knee jerk reaction is to say it is.
I do believe in this team, any negative thoughts i have is because I see what Loosing this series will do to us

Krod gone(dont care though)

Tex wants to be a on a winner and get lots of dough, I really thought that he was staying but now have a lot of doubt

GA’s time wasted, yeah maybe he signs a one year deal for a major discount or something but such a dissapointment

Vlad, another year older, those knees getting worse. Makes me mad that we waited until this year to get serious and make some trades, and getting some major free agents. Imagine Vlad with Tex two years ago. Now Vlad is in the sunset of his career and making a run at a championship is a little harder

THe best pitching we have ever had, 1-5 and the bullpen. when we are complaining on this site about Long reliever we do not realize how lucky we are.

This is a great time to be an Angels fan and this season has been great. I know we are up against it, so while I am optimistic about this series right now. I can see the writing on the wall about what a loss on Sun will do to our franchise

GO HALOS
Hopefully the same airline that took Travis barker and DJ AM for a ride is the airline that is taking boston back home (ohhh was that too soon)

Relax... Everything is fine

by Sinatrasratpack on Oct 4, 2008 8:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1986 was worse IMO

1 pitch from the WS.

We aren’t even in the ALCS this year, and I knew we were going to lose as soon as F-Rod came in.

Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon's number 15 retired!

by KingF15h on Oct 4, 2008 8:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correct.

1 pitch away, considering the Angels had never been that close was excruciating pain.

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 8:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is the reason why we will not win!

Down 4-1 with two outs and the bases loaded in the first inning, right fielder Juan Rivera grounds out to shortstop. Down 5-2 with two outs and runners on first and third in the fourth inning, left fielder Garret Anderson strikes out swinging. Down 5-3 with two outs and runners on first and third in the fifth inning, pinch hitter Kendry Morales pops up to third. Down 5-4 with two outs and the bases loaded in the seventh inning, shortstop Erick Aybar strikes out swinging…….Notice 3-4-5 hitters names arent mentioned??

You Better watch out, The Angels are War Machines!

by im4kiss on Oct 4, 2008 8:46 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I missed the game last night, but...

HOLY CRAP, REALLY? They blew that many opportunities? What a joke. No wonder all you guys are jumping off a cliff.

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 8:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But, I am not going to cry about Frankie...

given the chances to push runs across the board — Frankie could have used a few of those…Drew’s jack could have been meaningless.

Coulda shoulda woulda. Oh well. Let’s get them in their house. This is setting up for some epic failure on the Red Sox part. They are surely counting their victories right now, yes, it is 2-0, but one more to win. We could really topple some overly-confident white, creamy soup sippin’ mo-fo’s.

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 9:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's simple...

Frankie did his best Spier impression and

Papelbon did his best Frankie impression.

Let no joyful voice be heard! Let no man look up at the sky with hope! And let this day be cursed by we who ready to wake... the K-Rod!

by Scuff on Oct 4, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THEIR OFFENSIVE STRATEGY IS TEH SUCK

It has been for years. Fire Mickey Hatcher and anybody else sucking on this crack pipe called RISP2 hitting.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Oct 4, 2008 11:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Clarity:

Pretty much that simple ! So the question is, do managers like Scioscia take any responsibility for these failures or do the players need to be “shook up” a bit in the lineup & take some of the responsibility themselves?

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Oct 4, 2008 10:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are consisten

i write that the red sox are strong, you post that the Angels can win, I talk smack about the red sox weak point and get in a few zingers, you go over to the red sox fan site and apologize for me being “in-your-face” on behalf of the Angels, and then I write about the pain and you write about how fun last night was.

Thank for being Mister Typical Impulsive Contrarian. I guess every site needs one.

by Rev Halofan on Oct 4, 2008 10:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude...

how close was that Drew HR to your seats? Man, that must have been even worse seeing that thing headed toward you. I can understand your pain, but I cannot possibly equate this to ’86.

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Season of Records, the Irony of it all.

With all of the various records the Angels have set this year, it is the most recent one that bothers me. 11 straight losses to one team in the post-season. Usually a team that is proud would not want to be a part of this record. I wonder if the Halos even discussed this before the game began. Where is the anger, grit, and winning attitude of this team?

In the end, records aren’t as important as winning in the post season.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Oct 4, 2008 10:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The latest record you mention...

I doubt any of the players worry about it, because they were not on the roster in 1986! ;)

And I am sure that Scioscia is not channeling his “inner-Mauch” for how to deal with these guys. I mean, he went against his usual formula and had people taking pitches and even went with Frankie in a tie game. The Sciosc pulled out the stops for that game last night and put his best players in the game when it mattered. The Red Sox rose to the occasion and beat our best players.

by Downing Rules on Oct 4, 2008 10:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My thoughts

I agree with a lot of things said in this thread.

The Angels do need to make some changes. Namely Hatcher does need to go. The Angels haven’t drawn nearly enough walks in his tenure.

But I thought Game 2 last night really brought out the flaws in Soth more than anyone else. First of all the starting lineup. Mathis had a .517 OPS after the All-Star Game. Napoli had a 1.257 OPS in the same time frame yet Naps started on the bench when before the series started EVERYONE here said Soth would be crazy to have their hottest hitter on the bench especially IMO against a crap thrower like Dice-K. Naps tears up breaking balls when it’s Mathis’ weakness. The only thing Mathis does is hit a grooved fastball 400 ft when the pitcher doesn’t want to get chewed out by his manager for walking him.

Then the first inning comes along and the Sox have already scored a run and have guys at 2nd and 3rd w/ 2 outs and Jason Bay coming up with Kotsay on-deck. Soth didn’t have the cajones to just force Santana to put him on and face the vastly inferior hitter. Bay had a .934 OPS in Sept. while Kotsay was at .559 for the same time period. That’s a recurring theme with Soth, remember the game in Texas where he refused to have Frankie walk Hamilton with a base open and I’m sure you all remember what happened there. Soth cares way way way too much about his players egos and that’s why he has always given aging veterans/crap players way too much rope. Finley, Alfonso, GMJ, Salmon when he was injured.

The other huge mistake I thought while it was happening was letting Kendrick hit w/ the bases loaded and one out. I was watching the game with some friends and I told them exactly what Varitek told Masterson when he went out before the ab. Just like in A League of their Own he went out and told him, “sliders away, he can’t hit em and he can’t lay off em”. If I was an odds maker I would have given Howie about an 80% chance of striking out that ab. He was swinging at everything and had already swung at complete and utter crap that Dice-K had thrown up. Howie had no chance against those breaking balls and even though I LOVE Howie, Soth should have shown some balls and just pulled him right there for pretty much anyone besides Wood, or S-Rod. It’s pretty bad when hitters have to hit .190 to get pulled. Howie was struggling mightily, we all saw it and the Soth let him hit anyway. I hate GMJ with a passion, but as a lefty and a better amount of plate discipline he would have given the Angels a much better chance.

Finally, K-Rod as mentioned is as stubborn as a mule. Most of the times he’s gotten in trouble this year it’s because he’s thrown consecutive or multiple changeups to the same batter. Hitters adjust to his change MUCH more rapidly than to his breaking ball. He had all season to realize that while his change is a very usable pitch, it’s not like a Hamels, Johan Santana, James Shields change that can be thrown half the time let alone 4 straight times. So what that Ortiz hit a get me over slider right down the heart of the plate, it’s still is and will always be your best pitch Frankie, I was screaming at my TV for you to throw it along with even baseball fans that watch less than 5 games a year. It was blatantly obvious to them that you needed to throw something else. But then for it to be called as an inside change was just ludicrous. Ever hear or hard in, soft away?

As for the pain I feel as a fan. I’m definitely in the boat that say 2002 changes a whole lot. I was at every post-season game in 2002 and because of that, while I don’t feel good this morning I’m not feeling nearly as crappy as I remember in 1986 as an 8 year old or 1995 in the Mariner playoff as a 17 year old. I saw Tim Salmon (aka Mr. Angel) hoist a World Series trophy. I know he never took steroids. I know he is a good person. I know I rooted for him from the time he stepped foot onto a big league field in 1992. Even now I can tear up in happiness about that. Yes 6 years might be a decent amount of time, but If I can still feel joy from that season then 2008 has to be looked at in an entirely different light.

by MH252525 on Oct 4, 2008 11:01 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am long time

Angels fan. I go back to the 70’s when losing was basically expected. I was at the game last night and that had to be the worst game I have ever been to. I never, not once thought they were going to win last night. Especially after Bay hit that 3 run shot to put them up 4-0 and we hadn’t even batted yet. They had so many chances to put runs on the board last night and they continually failed to get the hit to drive in the runs. It was so frustrating to watch them fail time and time again. Why can’t the Angels ever get clutch hits? I mean they always seem to get hits when nobody’s on base then you put a man in scoring position and they can’t get a hit to drive him in. How do they get their 4th run? well they basically gave it to them with a bases load walk!! How else are they going to score a run? I knew Napoli wasn’t going to get a hit and drive him in. I couldn’t get myself to stand and watch, let alone root another time and be disappointed once again. I had that feeling that Napoli wasn’t going to get a hit and tie it up or God forbid take the lead. Why can’t they get a fricken clutch hit? To tell you the truth, I almost feel that it was better when the Angels were expected to lose. Didn’t have to worry about being disappointed, that’s for sure. I guess this falls under that saying, be careful what you wish for it might get what you asked for. Winning puts a lot of expectations on a team. This team doesn’t seem like it is able to handle being expected to to win. It was just so much easier watching them and knowing they weren’t going anywhere. Don’t get me wrong, I love more than anything having a winning team but damn it losing like this all the time when it really counts just really sucks!
   I wonder how the Players are feeling today. Is there bickering going on? Fingers being pointed? Why would Teixeira want to come back and play for a team that can’t win in the post season? He alone can’t do all the hitting and driving in the runs. Anyway, I am just pissed about last nights game. Let’s just hope there isn’t too much finger pointing going on in the clubhouse and they get their heads on straight tomorrow and just play like thay played during the season. Now lets go kick some Red Sux Ass!!

by AngelKeith on Oct 4, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Naps did exactly what he needed to do in that ab.

He didn’t swing at crap. Just too bad Kendrick did before him and Aybar to a lesser extent did after him.

by MH252525 on Oct 4, 2008 11:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This may sound crazy...

I’m watching Major League I and II and its giving me hope.

Their White Sox are our Red Sox.

Every epic season has an epic comeback.

Game 3:

Angels 9 BoSox 3

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Oct 4, 2008 12:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm watching it too....

My TV hasn’t budged from TBS all week…god I’m a loser

Vlad The Impailer Strikes Again!!!

by wizzdiddly on Oct 4, 2008 12:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Angels need some inspirational words....

Over?
Did you say “over”?
Nothing is over until we decide it is!
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough..The Tough Get goin….
What the fuck happened to the Angels I used to know? Where’s the spirit?
Where’s the guts, huh? “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Bay, he’s a dead man! Ortiz, dead! Pedroia dead…

Vlad The Impailer Strikes Again!!!

by wizzdiddly on Oct 4, 2008 12:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rally Monkey

was featured in an Animal House clip last night, but not that one.

by jjackflash on Oct 4, 2008 3:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I went into this game with the YES WE CAN/YES WE WILL attitude

My heart was heavy with the early 4-1 lead. Then the bats started picking up. Guys were hitting and getting on base. Consistently. I thought GREAT…we are going to do this. Unfortunately it was the same few guys getting on base followed by the same guys who were unable to bring them in.

I have never gone into a game with so much hope and left with so much bitter disappointment. There was so much blown potential for runs. So much potential to really blast ahead.

With each 2 or 3 men on base came some stupid strike out or inning ending hit. So much down the drain. It was a vicious roller coaster last night and I want so desperately to get off that ride.

We can do it. I really believe that. I still think these guys are capable of getting out of this and doing it. They have the talent and the skill.

I just wish THEY believed in themselves as much as I do.

by ladybug on Oct 4, 2008 1:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am still pissed off at Frankie.......BUT shit happens.

I was sooo looking froward to the Angels beating the shit out of the Sux this post season but when they lost the first game it sunk in, the Red Sux play WAY better than us in the Playoffs. We streight up CHOKED. When we were down 4-0 I thought okay bad start BUT WE CAN DO THIS!!!! After fail after fail I began trying reverse psychology, saying, “You suck I hope you strike out,” to our own players. When they tried it I was thinking, hey this negative mindset is working. Then I started getting pumped up, thinking we would win. I was thinking of the BIG HIT THEORY. Many people talked shit and said it was not true, I wish it were not but time and time again FRANKIE has proved it to be true.

I still have HOPE but I am not going into a positive mind set because it always lets me down. I will expect the worse and embrace the positives. GO ANGLES……..LETS DDDOOOOOOOOOOO THIS!!!!

P.S. I hope Kendry get the start sunday. He at least has a .500 BA unlike HK, Aybar, Naps, Rivera, and HGH. Or is Scioscia scared of seeing someone get hits at the bottom of the order. I want him hitting behind HUNTER because Howie SUCKS BALLS this post season. I hope the whole order catches fire, be it with or without Morales.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Oct 4, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While I was crushed that our comeback got snuffed out by JD Drew

It was nice to feel that much emotion again. I consider myself a pretty reserved person, it’s hard to get me to show excitement or sadness or fear.

But there were times during the game where I was screaming at my tv screen at every whiffed ball by Howie. And when Figgy hit the triple I was jumping up and down and yelling and throwing my clothes (which lie in a heap on my floor) all over my room. And when KRod blew the pitch to Drew I was absolutely dumbstruck and then absolutely crushed.

I hate it that the Halos are in this hole and hopes are dimming but what an emotional rollercoaster. I’m not one to put stock in comebacks but I’m still going to watch my team because…

GO HALOS!!!!

Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!

by teopeht on Oct 4, 2008 11:04 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn, HH is full of some thoughtful people!

I guess you had to be there (curse the day) but 86 was a deeply tragic. No comparison to this ALDS is appropriate. Except for the “totally sucking” part. Totally.

We human types always have a tendency to fixate on the recently deceased might-have-been, mulling and thinking and chewing over the latest steaming pantload fate has provided. That means that the recent wound seems so severe that no balm can soothe it, and feels also deeper and more painful than any previous damage.

And in 86, all we knew was pain-we owned the pain.

But twenty years of mediocrity was to be erased, and the long-sought anticipation was about to be sated. Finally, and for the first time, the pain was going to be transformed, reversed, utterly.

And then it wasn’t.

But in 08, we know the pleasure, and as we can feel more deeply a recent hurt, we similarly take greater warmth from the recent past. It insulates us, but will inevitably fade into the background.

But not yet. So 02 matters, more than it should maybe, but there you have it.

The posts in this thread have been magnificent in delineating the the differences and similiarites and the emotional resonances of 86 and 08, and I have nothing really to add that hasn’t already been said.

Sit Kendrick, sit Mathis, sit GMJ, eat some Wheaties, and kick some chowd ass, boys.

I believe in the power of the monkey. Yes we can!

Go Halos!

by LittleCupcakes on Oct 5, 2008 12:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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