Mark Teixeira FILES FOR FREE AGENCY
by acuda27 on Oct 30, 2008 10:28 PM PDT
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PrintJust in, Tex, Garland, AND Anderson filed for Free Agency and are going to EXPLORE the free agent Market.
So to all you Teixeira LOVERS, he just pissed on you okay that was a little harsh, by not even giving the Angels a chance to sign him, he wants to hear from other teams and as most expected he will probably end up with the Yankees since he Obviously wants THE MOST MONEY POSSIBLE. I like Tex dont get me wrong but I have a feeling he is gone and I have been waiting since 05 to watch Morales Play FULL TIME.
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Oh ya...My Boy Kendry Morales made his debut today for Los Gigantes and already has a 2 run SHOT that left the park. Also tonight Sean Rodriguez SMASHED his DWL leading 6th HR. NO NO NO NO NO, DIGAN LE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!!!!
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acuda/ kendry love fest fully absorbed
Here is a list from OCR of all the free agents in baseball that filed for free agency today:
http://fromthedugout.freedomblogging.com/2008/10/30/anderson-garland-teixeira-dont-waste-time/3833/
Hank Blalock anybody?
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
he already said that he would file for free agency
there’s no surprise there, and he certainly didn’t “piss on” anybody.
now the games begin…
Kotch would've had that.
Of course he filed
The Angels still have an exclusive negotiating window, not that it means much because Bora$ does not allow his clients to sign before testing the waters.
Well doesnt that just cut the Angels off from Negotiating with them since he filed?
I would think he would wait to here the Angels offer before filing for free agency.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No. There's no reason for him not to file.
It means nothing other than sending the signal for everyone to start the bidding. We have exactly the same chance of re-signing him as we did before he filed.
Ya, so whats the point of the 14 day window were we can only talk to him?
He is blowing us off, by telling us that we CANT sign him in these 14 days because he wants to here from enverone.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well we knew he would file for free agency when we traded for him
This is not a slap in the face.
We still have the 15 days
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
If Kendry Morales was a facing free agency and had a 14 day window, he file for it too because it is the standard move.
This means nothing.
aight thanks for the clarification, didnt really get that.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE HAVE 2 WEEKS EXCLUSIVE WINDOW
to negotiate with him. Nobody else can talk to him or Boras until then.
I know we had 14 days to try and sign him, but I translated this as........
“Im not going to listen to the Angels offer, I want to here EVERYONE.” Meaning that he does not care what team he plays for, I he did want to play for the Angels, would he have not filed for Free Agency?
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would he not file?
Even if he really, really wanted to play for the Angels, the guy owes it to himself to see what he’s really worth on the open market right now… Given that he’s a Bora$ client I don’t expect him to sign with us during the exclusive windows, maybe 1-2 weeks after that with one of the larger teams
Now we get a chance to see if the roll of the dice was worth it
I’m optimistic if not hopeful that we’ll at least get a shot at re-singing Tex. Of course, if we can’t, or he wants A-Rod type money to stay, I say no. The only problem with that scenario is the fact that we gave up Kotch for nothing, other than draft picks. But with a agent like Boras, who knows what will happen. Acuda may very well get his wish, with Kendry at first next season. Lets hope he can step in and produce, and he isn’t a victim of his own hype.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Looking at his track record in the minors and his MLB stats from last year (.294 avg)
I’m almost sure he will produce and thrive in the bigs.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets hope your right Brother
I know what I’m gonna post is gonna illicit a lot of anger, I hope he’s better than B-Wood was when he was called up. Hype vs. hope, I don’t know which side of the fence I’m sitting on yet.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
Dude.......He was already called up, and he was way better than Brandon Wood was.
You should say, I hope he is able to play at a high level playing EVERY DAY in the Bigs, because that has not been tested yet, cuz Scioscia has not given him the chance. Look at his BA in every minor league level, He has hit around .340, i’m sure it aint a fluke.
Now the HRs, Im still not sure how many he will hit in a year, he has not been too consistant on the HR numbers but his SLG is always high.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Two Words...
Jack Howell.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Oct 31, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
And Dallas McPherson, Todd Greene, Jeff Mathis, Lee Stevens...
I’ll stop there, if I keep thinking about past busts, it’ll dampen my mood.
Don't Forget
Bobby Clark, Danny Goodwin, Gil Kubski , Jorge Fabregas , Eduardo Perez …
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Oct 31, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
They NEVER hit 294 in the BIGS......so why are you comparing him to them?
More like……..Evan Langoria, Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder, etc.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, I'm a fan of Morales and expect him to do well.
That being said, there is no such thing as a sure thing…except for the notion that we’ll be horrible if we don’t re-sign Tex.
Okay lets turn the TABLES
How do you know Teixeira is going to produce next year? What if he gets hurt or gets Mono? What if he goes the way of Andrew Jones, what the hell happened to him?
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright lets take the risk, Let Tex leave, Get the Draft Picks
and Hand Kendry Morales the First Base Job.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually...
Danny Goodwin is the perfect analogy. He succeeded in the minors and succeeded upon his call up to the bigs. What he failed to do was make the necessary adjustments over the longer term.
Other than the fact that “K-MO” defected from Cuba, Goodwin is likley the most apt comparison an Angel fan could come up with.
None of this is to say that “K-MO” isn’t an incredible talent (he is) or that he won’t succeed in the bigs (he might).
What’s really being written here, in a variety of posts, is that longtime Angel fans have seen surefire prospects come and go over the years, enough to KNOW that there are no guarantees.
No disrespect intended, but only those that have watched baseball for only a few seasons would get carried away with the future of prospects that, in all STATISTICAL probablility will fail at the Major League level (the overwhelming majority of prospects do fail, by the way).
Kendry Morales might be the next coming of Mark Teixeira, I’m not saying that he can’t be good. What I’m saying is that an eagerness to see Morales over Teixeria is a strange combination of wishful thinking, youthful naievete, and a general lack of baseball experience. The odds are completely against “K-MO” becoming a hitter even close to as productive as Mark Teixeira.
Morales is a great young prospect but thinking that he can easily replace Teixiera is, well, idealistic at the least.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 1, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
was that a joke?
seriously, that was a joke, right? kendry morales is AVERAGE in every single way. He has the potential to hit .300 with a .320 OBP and his glove is not golden. If he was anywhere in the same ballpark as longoria or braun, he would have forced his way in to the lineup and every team in the league would be trying to trade for him. Neither one has even come close to happening
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 1, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Im sure no other team would have taken him out of the lineup when he was hitting .294
They would have put him a DH once Kotch was healthy again. And I’m sure no other team would have signed katrina hillenbrand to play first over Kendry Morales.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Longoria hit .272 in his first year........no where close to what Morales
did when he got his first good look in the Majors.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're pretty in love with that .294 number from 2007.
How about also looking at the .333 OBP and .479 SLG from 2007? Decent production but no where near in the same league as Tex.
NO. F-ING. WHERE. NEAR.
Finito.
TEX? wtf I didnt know Tex was Langoria.
I was comparing him to the Rookie, I’ll compare his VEhtrun numbers to tex once hes been in the Bigs for a while…..Okay Ill compare Tex and Kendry……
Tex first shot at bigs .259AVG .480SLG
Kendry shot at bigs .294AVG .479SLG
Obviously Morales is a MUCH BETTER PLAYER. Look at the Average and they are the same in the SLG department. Tex who?
Minor Leagues
TEX .313Avg 19HRs .583SLG
K-MO .337Avg 85HRs .546SLG
Again Kendry took him out……..
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i say
priorities in no particular order:
1. CC
2. Tex
3. Rivera
4. Cordero (gives us bullpen anchor)
we get 2 of those three and I have faith we can do it. our young hitters will do the rest they just need consistent ABs and health.
CC
is a waste of time. He wont be a horse anymore. he will have a very bad season this year. just like bartolo.
if we miss out on teix, we should consider the burnett, lowe, and maybe even Penny route
as far cheaper consolation prizes
by ihearhowie2.0 on Oct 31, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this is an acuda conspiracy
If the Red Sox and Dodgers play for the World Series, I will not watch a single minute of a single game.
This is not news
Jack and the other attorneys know better than I do, but it seems to me that any agent who DOESN’T file for free agency on behalf of his client is opening himself up for a lawsuit.
Routine. Paperwork.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
Exactlty
There’s no news here. Of course he filed for free agency. Of course he’s going to listen to multiple offers before he signs. Hopefully the Angels will make their pitch first. But, he won’t decide until he hears all the offers.
Um not even close to "pissing on us"
Someone at the Scott Boras corp filed the paperwork. I doubt he had to do anything at all. This is a formality.
Or just a lame reason to get bent out of shape.
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
Where exactly does one file for free agency anyway?
I imagine it’s a nondescript office building in which there’s a raised table holding various forms and ball-point pens attached to small chains. The lines are long because of the indifferent fat lady behind the counter, and the only thing more irritating than her shitty attitude is the crying of babies all around. Hope you made an appointment, Mark!
Just outta curiosity --
Any other HHers tailgating the GM Meetings in Dana Point next week?
- Acuda, remember to grab us a case of Corona and Corona Light… -
Will Do.....
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sigh, Acuda...
…honest question:
Do you honestly believe that Kendry is going to be a better player than Teixeira over at least the next 7 years (thinking that will be contract length)? Or, for that matter, even close enough to make up for the difference in salary?
I actually do think Kendry will easily be a productive major leaguer. But fact of the matter is, Angels are better, offensively AND defensively (Kendry is adequate at 1st, but no gold glover), for the next 7 years with Teixeira at 1st.
Screw Boston. Go Rays!
P.S.
One point I do agree with you on is Sean Rodriguez. I think he’s a massive sleeper for 2009 and if not, then 2010. Apart from a poor 2007 showing, that kid has a ton of potential, and looks even at the major league level to have a flashy glove.
Screw Boston. Go Rays!
Kendry can play a corner OF spot too
So even if we sign Teix, Morales will have a place to play
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
This is actually my preference
Let Vlad’s knees prove early in ‘09 whether surgery will give him another 2-3 years of RF or if it’s DH time. If he can play RF, then I have no problem with Kendry at near full-time DH.
Screw Boston. Go Rays!
my preferece as well
Teixeira is obviously the preferred first baseman. But if we can get K-Mo 500 ABs between DH/RF, I say do it in a heartbeat. He’s easily a number 6-7 hitter, with potential of moving higher, depending on your lineup. Ideally, I’d like to see this:
Figgins LF
Kendrick 2B
Teixeira 1B
Guerrero RF/DH
Napoli C
Hunter CF
Morales DH/RF
Wood 3B
Izturis/Aybar SS
that gives you 5, potentially 6 guys with some serious thunder in the heart of your order, balanced out with speed at the top and bottom. you have 6 guys that will probably hit 25 HRs (Tex, Vlad, Naps, Torii, KMo, Wood), 3 or 4 that will hit 30+ (Tex, Vlad, Naps, Wood?), and 3 or 4 guys that will steal 20+ bags.
add in some good pitching, and you’ve got yourself a World Series contender.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Oct 31, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I would like to see S-Rod in there. I have a feeling both will have VERY similar #s
I think S-Rod would hit around .279 and Wood around .256, both with about 20-30HRs
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i go back and forth on S-Rod
i think i’d like to have in in AAA for at least another 1/2 of a season, then see what happens.
i’ve said before that he and Alfonso Soriano had eerily similar minor league numbers, and eerily similar body types. they could end up being similar players… but SRod still needs some work. If Figgy leaves next year, he could be the new LF
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Oct 31, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously that is what I would rather have.
BUT lets be honest with ourselves, if Tex Stays there is NO WAY scioscia plays Morales over GMJ. We all know that Scioscia is in love with both GMJ and WILLITS. So the only way to see Morales play FULL TIME is without TEX. That and I am 80% sure he’s not comin back. And I agree on Sean Rodriguez, He is going to flurish in the next year or two, I have been saying that he can be Better than Wood in the Bigs. I guess well have to wait and see how it all pans out, I hope we get to see both Wood and S-Rod compete for the best Rookie on the Angels in 09.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES.......maybe not this season but for sure he will match up his numbers with Tex.
He, like Napoli gets on HOT streaks where he can carry the team, but unlike Naps, Morales gets HOT more often and for a longer period. I hope both Nipples and Morales get 500+ ABs.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have not seen these hot streaks
Morales AAA numbers in a bandbox are not as good as Tex’s MLB numbers
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
For Real? I think they do, lets see......
Let us Compare AVG ABS RUN HIT 2B 3B HR RBI OBP SLG Ks BB
Kendry Morales 0.352 338 _50 119 22 _0 16 "74 0.387 0.559 44 20
Mark T Teixeira 0.308 574 102 177 41 _0 33 121 0.401 0.552 93 97
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay that looks like shit but ya they are the same player except
Kendry walks less, about half as many times as Tex. They both strike out about the same amount of times.
Of course Kendry Did his in the minors, where else did you want him to put up his numbers, its not like he had a chance in the Bigs.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a gigantic surprise...
not really. We all knew this would happen. It’s up to the Angels to make the offer he wants.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
Match up his numbers with Tex? Please!
Nostradamus you ‘aint! What Tex can do offensively/defensively is rare. What Tex did in filing was par for the course, especially being a Boras client, and shouldn’t be seen as a big F-U to the Halos.
You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?
Tex isn't worth it.
i guess i’m in the tiny minority on this. i know he puts up those great stats. he’s never won the MVP, he’s never led his team to the playoffs. he was traded to the Braves last year to help make that drive to the playoffs and they missed it. he got traded here because like everyone else i thought we were 1 bat away this year and we still fell short. of course i’m not saying its his fault but isn’t that why you pay big money to certain players. isn’t that why Manny is going to get what he’s going to get. he proved how valuable he is. dodgers traded for him and got what they expected. he made them better and turned them into a playoff team.
Um
He didn’t lead the Rangers or the Braves to the playoffs BECAUSE THEY SUCKED. TOO. MUCH. for him to make a difference.
He didn’t lead us to the playoffs because were already going.
Look at the stats, mate, and you’ll see he’s one of the few performers we had this postseason. Not shabby for his FIRST POSTSEASON.
Light Up That Halo!
How come Morales has more EXTRA BASE HITS in the Playoffs than Teixeira?
Isnt that why we got Tex, so that he could hit home runs in the Playoffs or at least some doubles? How come every time he “came up big” we ended up loosing the game anyways like the GS in New York. I think Halo_86 is on to something.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude
Seriously?
EXTREMELY small sample-size, for BOTH of them.
And no one’s saying we can’t have both.
Yeesh, dude, I’m with you that we need Kendry in that line-up. But I’m most definitely not going to jump on the dump-one-of-the-best-players-in the game today/EVER-for-a-still-prospect-who-has-yet-to-achieve-a-full-season-of-at-bats (377 ain’t much [unless you’re Napoli]-OR-meaningfully-hit-for-power-in-the-bigs-Bandwagon just yet.
Light Up That Halo!
Im just messin with you, but I dont see kendry getting more than 200 ABs if we keep Tex.
We all know that Kendry should be in the lineup with or without Tex, but the person that does not know that is the one that should. SCIOSCIA. Now if you can convince me that Scioscia is going to play Kendry in RF or DH then I’m all for keepin Tex, if not I would rather get the Draft Picks, extra money, and Morales at 1B.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well
If Soth doesn’t have Garret or Juan (who I also like) to play with, and if Jeff goes away in a trade, then the only options for DH/RF are basically: GMJ (not ready for spring training, anyway), Vlad, and Kendry, plus whoever else the Ninja might sign.
Light Up That Halo!
Willits, the slapper
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, yeah
Kendry DH’s but plays Right when Vlad rests; Willits probably plays Left and otherwise fills in when others need the day off.
Light Up That Halo!
im pretty sure morales is a last resort at first
i honestly think youre more likely to see this team trade for prince fielder if teix is gone. Morales at 26 would be below league average both offensively and defensively at a major position. If wood is playing next year too, with the other non-walkers of aybar, howie, torii……our lineup would be a total disaster filled top to bottom with free swingers who dont get on base
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 1, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Morales is just as good as Kotchman at First Base, and plays aggresive like TEX
throwin behind players on bunts to second etc.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If our other hitter followed Tex's lead, we would have just completed a sweep of the Phillies.
Tex (and Vlad) were outstanding in the playoffs. The reason they didn’t do much as far as extra base hits has more to do with how the Red Sox were pitching against them. They didn’t go up there trying to hit homeruns on every pitch. Other players did, and that resulted in outs.
The thing that can make selective hitters such great power hitters is that they go after the pitch that they want to crush. If these pitches don’t come, they adjust and take the walk or maybe hit a nice line drive or grounder up the middle for a single.
Those who don’t take this approach experience more failure. See HK’s at-bats in the playoffs or the many at-bats of GMJ throughout the year where he overswings on a low and away pitch, resulting in a semi-sharp grounder to 2B or SS.
Or if Scioscia would have played Kendry in RF, but ya I agree
Kendry had more hits than all our RF combined in the playoffs and had 2 of the biggest hits in the playoffs besides Hunters RBIs in game 4, and Naps HRs. And Morales was one of two players on the team that has a HIT against Pimplebon, but i guess thats not something to be proud of since Scioscia thinks Pimplebon sucks, there for Kendry sucks because he can hit crappy pitchers.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tex
did you see where the Braves were before they landed Tex last yr. they were in 2nd to the Mets. for the NLE which ended being a weak div last yr. Mets tanked in ‘07. the Phillies i think came out of nowhere to take that playoff spot in ’07. not the Braves who were expected to make the playoffs after the trade. just like the dodgers got that kick when they landed Manny this yr. so don’t tell me that because the Braves sucked they didn’t make it. Tex is overrated for what everyone thinks he can do. with the Angels he didn’t really improve the W/L record for the Angels. they pretty much stayed on pace. only diff this yr with the Angels and last yr with the Braves is that the Angels were already pretty much in the playoffs. Tex was that 1 bat to take them past the Redsox, but of course we all saw that didn’t happen. so how can all you pro-Tex fans think he’s worth the money. is A-Rod worth the money?
so who is worth the money?
youre logic is beyond me. Obviously no ONE player in baseball is responsible for an entire team’s success. Are you really pegging the Rangers and Braves being terrible on mark teixeira? And not on awful bullpens, pitching and in the braves’ case, a weak supporting cast? Teams that expect 1 player to save them have no chance. Teams like the angels that need 1 missing piece cannot be compared to the texas rangers.
Teixeira doesnt guarantee anything but youre out of your mind if you dont think he helps and makes our chances better. Youre basically saying this team shouldnt value 35 home runs/.400 OBP every year because his other teams were terrible. We have money to spend, we’re not going to have an 85 million dollar payroll next year.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 1, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
also,
youre ignoring the fact that if Vlad continues to slip, this team has nothing. Teixeira essentially becomes this team’s Vlad for the next 5-6 years. Our division is getting stronger and if you think we should rest our hopes on kendry morales, howie kendrick and brandon wood to carry us offensively, youre saying your ok with being an 80 win team because mark teixeira’s 35 home runs, 115 RBIs and .400 OBP just arent valuable because of his ex-teams and one series where even though he dominated and was easily our best player, its apparently his fault our pitching sucked and our supporting players(the ones youre OK with carrying the load going forward) sucked even more
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 1, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
worth the money
we all saw what Manny did when he’s on his best behavior. he helped lead a 2nd place team that was pretty much dead into the playoffs. revitalized a team in the last 2 months. i don’t want Manny but if a players worth it, Manny is. Tex isn’t. he couldn’t help the Braves in a weak div in ‘07 overcome. Angels were great with or without him, like i said before they lost anyways. whats the diff between 1 player and 1 missing piece? hey i didn’t mean to imply that it was his fault, but if your going to pay player the money we’re all expecting that he’s going to get then you expect that he can prove something. like Manny. so when do we give our young guys a chance to prove themselves? after we trade them to other teams? i know it would be crazy to think this but i would rather spend the money on a pitcher like CC. same situation. Brewers traded for him, he delivered.
Tex
so if another team in the ALW was actually any good this yr. it was a tight race down the stretch, we ended up losing the West with Tex, would you feel he’s still worth the money? it doesn’t matter if the Braves were a bad team desperate to win. the whole NLE sucked in ‘07 and they faded with the Mets while i think the Phillies sneaked in. yeah i know its not his fault what happened in Texas. i don’t care about Texas, i never brought up Texas. its what he did for the Braves and Angels. he was the missing piece or player that everyone, including myself, thought was suppose to take us over the top. if it was the awful pitching of the Angels as you say it is then lets spend the money on pitchers.
80 wins????
without Tex the Angels were going to win 95-100 games. they were on that pace before we traded for him. so don’t sit here and panick that we’re going to end up being a 80 win team without him. yeah our other players that struggled, yeah i agree, but its called a learning curve. these aren’t vets who struggled. these were players with 1-3 yrs exp. not everyone is going to explode into the playoffs. i would rather spend the money elsewhere or save it until midseason when the pretenders fall out of div races and start trading away proven bats we can rent for 2 months then spend all that money on someone that doesn’t garantee success. look at the NYY. all that money on A-Rod, i think they were sitting at home during the playoffs. Tex just like A-Rod fans love the stats, but what have they prove? nothing but look at my stats, its not my fault my teams suck.
80 wins, ya
whos gonna carry this team offensively? Tell me how vlad’s numbers were before Teixeira and after teixeira. Vlad will continue to decline every year. So you can expect what you saw from vlad from april-july and possibly worse as he continues to age.
how would our offense have been if vlad wasnt on our team 04-07? he was the only threat in our lineup. My point was that if we were to just avoid teixeira as you suggest, because he didnt single handedly hit 29 home runs in the ALDS and pitch all 9 innings, our offense relies on who?
I also think according to your logic, the rays should get rid of bj upton and evan longoria because they obviously werent the keys to winning a world series. Sure, they were the best players during the playoffs but they didnt win the world series so theyre clearly not worth it. SHIP EM OUT
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 1, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
fyi, since you seem to be confused
i said 80 wins is what this team is looking at if we were to stand pat, put morales in at first, let teixeira walk and go back to and older vlad being our one guy in the lineup to drive in all the runs.
our pitchings good, ya, but youre not going to win a world series without power hitters who can work the count, get on base, and both drive in AND create runs by getting on base.
sounds to me like you want to be the san diego padres and just devote all our resources to pitching and aging veterans
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 1, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
A Year of Morales and Napoli will top the 35HRs and 115 RBIs in a jiffy
You are ASSuming that Morales is going to suck witch is stupid. Everyone said that Napoli would never hit higher than .250 and what did he do this year?
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
difference
those are homegrown Rays. Tex is an outsider looking for the biggest payday for what. Stats. he’s done nothing else. how many wins did they have before Tex came? yeah if you didn’t notice they Rays made the plaoffs for the first time. no one really expected them to make that run. they exceeded expectation this yr. Upton was almost traded because the team almost ran out of patience with him before this yr. Longoria, rookie, hmmm….maybe we should give Wood a chance since he really hasn’t been given the shot like Longoria has. he can’t evaluate players over a 14-30 day span, if thats the case then we shouldn’t even have a farm system.
fyi
who said i wanted aging vets? i want to give our young guys a chance. just like the Rays gave their young guys a chance. you think there going to be a 80 win season without Tex? wow you must think Tex is the next coming. all the money on A-Rod. what has he produced? big stats, i guess that would satisfy you. then start complaining not having a pitching staff. keep spending it on pitching a defense and the hitting will come around if you give the the young guys a chance. spend the money on players when we did on Vlad, that give results other than just stats.
Do you know what Teix did for the braves?
.317 .404 .615 (avg/obp/slg) with 17 HRs in 54 games!!!!
the braves not winning is in no way texs fault.
TEX IS A HITTER WHO MAKES THE WHOLE TEAM BETTER! he is a person you can rely on, who will make pitchers scared. he changes the whole dynamic. for example, vlads up with a runner on second and two outs late in the game. Hitting behind Vlad is morales. The other team is gonn awalk vlad and chances are morales gets out 66% of the time. Now consider Teix is on deck. Tex doesnt get out 60% of the time. But also, tex is just a much better hitter and 300% better defensively
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Nov 1, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
and?
here we go again on stats. i never said his stats aren’t impressive. is that all you guys care about. don’t you guys like the end results? i never said it was his fault the Braves didn’t make the playoffs. all i know is the Braves didn’t improve overall and either did the Angels when it comes to results. its crazy how u guys all think he’s this baseball god. stats aren’t everything. guys like CC and Manny deserve whatever they get because they produced when it counted. Tex didn’t do anything that the Angels would have done without him.
Dude I'm with you 100%
Manny made the SHITTY dodgers good. okay not good but better. Tex just came out here thinking of his pay day and not really becoming part of the team like Kotch was. Remember when Tex said, “I feel sorry for THOSE guys.” when we lost. I am down for giving the rookies a chance just like you. I want to see S-Rod, Wood and Morales get a good long look.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i like Tex
but he just isn’t worth all this money he’s going to get from someone. i agree you want professionals in the locker room but something about him seems wrong. he seemed to be trying too hard. like he was trying to change his image, trying to get a big payday. i wonder what he was like in Texas and Atlanta with his teammates and fans. he seemed soo robotic with interviews. don’t get me wrong, we can’t go into the season with 2-3 unproven bats but Tex just isn’t worth all this.
dude
of course manny is going to make an enormous impact on A MEDIOCRE, .500 TEAM.
we had THE BEST RECORD in baseball when we acquired mark teixeira. Obviously the room for serious impact favored manny tremendously.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 1, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, heres the thing. The bottom line is winning.
How do you win? YOU GET THE BEST PLAYERS THAT YOU CAN GET! how do you do that? YOU EVALUATE THEM! these evaluations determine whether or not a player is good. Obviously if you have a player like bonds who just gets his stats and couldnt give a fuck about his teammates then you have a problem. Find me one instance where Teix told someone he hated every person on the angels and tried to make them lose. IT DIDNT HAPPEN. You talk about manny taking the dodgers from a shitty team into a great one. Manny made the dodgers a 30-26 team! THATS ALL HE DID! What did Teix make the angels? 33-22! Ya, obviously the angels were better than the dodgers, but my point still stands. Put the Angels in any other division, they win handily. Put the dodgers in any other division and they WOULD NOT HAVE WON! (based purely on record).
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Nov 1, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
you made my point
your right Manny had more upside in helping the shitty Dodgers then Tex did with the Angels. that 33-22 record was the same pace they were on before he came. so no real impact there. he was brought here for 1 reason. 1 reason only. help the Angels get past the Redsox. now like i said it wasn’t his fault it didn’t happen, but why pay a guy all that money when he’s proven he isn’t the answer. whole point you put the Dodgers in any other Div and they suck, yeah same with Tex. thats why when the Braves traded for him they were out of playoff picture, and after aquiring him they still missed the playoffs. he’s all stats.
Wow
So your solution is to replace a “guy who just isn’t the answer” with…a guy who REALLY isn’t the answer!
Congratulations, I think Bill Bavasi might have a spot open for an advisor…
Light Up That Halo!
Tex?
wow let me get this straight. if your running a team and you have a certain budget. your saying if your team can finish lets say 100-62 and lose in the ALDS with or without Tex you would go ahead and give a player 25M/yr to give you the same results, because ????. you want to give money away? congratulations you can be the GM of the lame NYY. i would rather use the money wisely and not just give it to someone who hasn’t proven anything but all those shiny stats you guys seem to be in love with.
Do you know why the angels "only" went 33-22 over the time teix was here?
ITS BECAUSE WE HAD FRIGGIN S-ROD, EYBAR, MOSELEY, GMJ, WILLITS, and every other mediocre player on our roster or AAAs playing half of the games. Also, THE GAMES DID NOT MATTER! Wheres the guarentee that we win 100 games if we take morales/teix? Wheres the guarentee Morales hits amazingly? Wheres the guarentee Vlad still has enough left? Wheres the guarentee we can replace GAs #s with Willits/Rivera/GMJ (if he resigns), wheres the guarentee Torii doesnt regress? Wheres the guarentee that Moseley/Adenhart/Greene/FA signing will be a decent 5th starter? Wheres the guarentee that Ervin and Saunders not only stay healthy but keep their level of production? Wheres the guarentee Weaver will not regress? Wheres the guarentee Aybar can actually handle routing ground balls and be adequate with the bat? Wheres the guarentee that Wood hits 25 HRs? Wheres the guarentee shields/arredondo can hold the closer spot? Wheres the guarentee Speier doesnt get worse? Wheres the guarentee oliver/jepsen will pitch well this year (if they are on our team)?Will Teix guarentee all these things? No. What he guarentees us is a year of at least .300/.400/.550 with 35+ HRs and possibly our only legitamate hitter that doesnt potential suck or is too old?
The reason, the only reason, the Angels won 100 games this year is because of pitching. Lackey and Escobar go down. How bout if Lackey and Ervin go down in ST this year? The rotation would be Saunders/Weaver/?//?. Teix is one less thing to worry about, and instead we can count on him.
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Nov 2, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
if all those what ifs?
only diff from having Tex before and after was Kotch. team was on a roll before he came here. yeah i know it was the regular season but they pretty much dominated the Redsox during the regular season. only big diff was no Kotch and Izzy during the ALDS. like i said before i didn’t mind the trade for Tex because like everyone else in here i thought we were 1 bat away from getting over the Redsox. i was wrong.
garantee?
your right there are no garantees in the game. with that attitude then whats the point of signing Tex. why not let him go if you fear half of those things happening. were going to have bigger problems then @1B. it starts from pitching and defense. hitting you can adjust through trades because pitching is scarce. so i’d rather give the money to a guy like CC then Tex because CC did what was expected when he went to the Brewers. Tex had 2 chances he didn’t come through. just like his Boras playmate A-Rod. look at my stats i did my job. right?
CC did amazing
But thats neither here nor there. Our concern is Teix. Teix guarentees that if a few of the offensive question marks do not produce, we will at least have an amazing middle of the order power hitting defensive stud 1B. Do you know how injured the Red Sox were during the games between us? I mean i dont want to try and take away too much from us, but this is almost like the M’s in spring training. We need to beat them when it really counts.
Are you seriously arguing that Teixera is bad, and hurts teh Angels as a team?
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Nov 3, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Tex
let me restate how i feel about Tex. i think he is a awesome player. he’s in his prime and he’s going to put up awesome numbers. even though i like Kotch it was the right thing to do trading for Tex. i’m not saying i’m against re-signing him its just that i don’t want to go overboard with the money. honestly even though Arte put LA in front of the Angels he still isn’t getting LA type of revenue.so in other words we have a budget. were not the NYY. i just want to make sure we have money left over to support the rest of the team. i guess i look at A-Rod and all that money and he hasn’t done anything in NY. what happens if we don’t make the playoffs with Tex, were stuck with him.
more Tex
once you sign a player to a 25/yr contract you don’t have much more room unless you start winning rings.
The problem is not paying guys like Tex $25m, it's paying guys like GMJ $10m.
We need to go for broke on talented players, leaving the front office no option to squander money on talentless shit.
ok
gotcha now. It sounded like you thought that Tex hurt teams. I see your point, but if we still have a corner OF spot open (which could happen) wouldnt it make sense to resign tex and move morales to the OF? And 25/yr seems a bit higher than what tex is gonna get
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Nov 3, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
contract?
i’m just throwing that out there. lets face it Boras is an ass but he’s the best agent in the game. i don’t think Tex is going to give the Angels any discount. if he gives a discount its going to be with the Orioles. he’s an east coast guy so i think if the Angels want to sign him they have to overwhelm him with an offer to stay on the west coast. like my guy tells me since CC is a west coast guy the East coast teams have to overwhelm him with an offer to play over there.
Tex signs
great. its not my money but i just hope its not some crazy number. Morales isn’t even in picture yet until this Tex thing is resolved.
Morales is in picture
Theres no way hes not a platoon guy at the worst. At the very worst he can play like Q did at first when Kotch “couldnt” hit lefties. At the best, hes our everyday LF/RF/1B/DH
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Nov 4, 2008 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
young guys
do u think its good to platoon young players who are top shelf prospects? i hate when soccia does that. i can understand doing that to Willits, but guys like Woods or Morales, or even Brown. these guys have proven it at every level. i just want them to get their fair share of AB to see what they can do when their in a grove.
they have to prove they can hit and be productive before they can play full time
especially so on a contending team. You dont want to throw away 400+ABs Brandon Wood and hand him the job over letting proven productive although not necesarilly spectacular players (like Q or figgins, etc…)
Im not saying that giving Wood these at bats would be thowing them away, but they would have been if we had done it last year or the beggining of this year. We platoon so they understand how to produce, then slowly give htem the full job
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Nov 5, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Wood
lets use Wood for example. before he was ever called up to the Majors he was considered pretty much a top level prospect. you can make trades with him as a centerpiece. now that he’s been brought up and struggled a bit its harder to trade him as a centerpiece. his value has gone way done. i remember when those rumors were out there about the Manny trade a couple yrs ago with Wood as a centerpiece. with the top prospects i think you have to throw them out there. i’m not saying throw 3 rookies into the lineup. if your a good team you can absorb 1 young bat or 2. but if they get only part time status, great if they produce, but if they don’t they lose all their value for trades. thats all. i understand what your saying
Didn't Izturis go down...
about the same time Teixeira was acquired? I think the Angels missed Izturis more than they realize because Teix was added to the line-up.
Who’s to say the Angels wouldn’t have gone 22-33 if they hadn’t picked up Teix?
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
A little after
But you’re right. Izzy was major clutch… there’s nobody I’d rather have up with RISP in a close game.
Hell, even Josh Beckett recognized that Izzy was the missing link.
Angels fan since '67
300% better defensively? what are you smoking?
Sure he is better with the glove but not that much. Morales is up there with Kotch. Go ahead and give me the STATS since you like um so much.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok. lets compare
using baseball prospectus fielding runs above average (FRAA) tells how many runs a player costs his team by how bad/good his defense is. Lets compare similar numbers, so i picked Kendrys 2006 year when he played 56 games at first, and Teixieras 2008 with the angels (51 games).
Morales was 2 runs above average (5.79 over 162 game season)
Teixeira was 4 runs above average (12.71 over 162 games).
That means that over the course of the season, Teixera is 7 runs better defensively than Morales.
Im sorry, its not actually 300, its 222.
Also, Morales best season by far defensively was 2006. But ill grant you morales is a better defender than i thought he was.
Also, just for kicks, kotchmans #s. in 100 games this year for the angels, kotch was a +9 above average =14.58 for a 162 game season
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Nov 1, 2008 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
So it's decided
We need to trade the farm for Kotchman. I’m glad we can all agree on this.
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000
100% AGREE
We probably had more chemistry with Kotchman. Who knows what would have happened with Kotch in the Playoffs instead of Tex, we would have probably gone ALL THE WAY, I mean Kotch was here when we were ownin the SUX right?
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kendry
Whether Teixeira is resigned or not, get Kendry his 500 at-bats and regular spot in the lineup already.
He is probably good for 25 home runs and 80 RBIs minimum.
If Tex signs with Boston
then I will move to Canada.
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 2, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply actions
how many yrs???
i’m pretty sure about this but not 100%. i thought the longest contract anyone can sign in CALifornia was 7rs? is that true. i know in other states it can be as long as 10 yrs like Texas did when they originally signed A-Rod.
not sure
but theres always options, club or team options
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Nov 3, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
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