Angels WHAT TO DO: Garret Anderson
WHAT TO DO is our offseason feature examining a 2008 Angel player each day to discuss where the player fits in the club's plans for 2009.
Garret Anderson has a club option for 2009 that will pay him $14 Million. The Club can buy it out for $3 Million and Garret will become a free agent. They could re-sign him for less, but would have to bid on the open market.
Tell the Angels WHAT TO DO...
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Thanks for the memories, Garret.
Your defending OPD champion. Respect it, bitches.
by bc56274 on
Oct 7, 2008 2:05 PM PDT
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buy out the the option
and let him go. it’s time to cut the ties.
take your emotions out of the equation and think of it as a business.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Oct 7, 2008 2:11 PM PDT
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Dude are you the owner of the Angels?
Take my emotions out of the equation? What the hell am I doing going to games and watching it on TV for? For business reasons?
Don’t you get excited when your team is winning or hits a grand slam tater? Don’t you root for some players more then others?
Gee, you sound like you’d be a barrel of laughs at game.
Leave the “business decsuins” to Arte. I pay money to be entertained and because I love the game.
Let no joyful voice be heard! Let no man look up at the sky with hope! And let this day be cursed by we who ready to wake... the K-Rod!
by Scuff on
Oct 7, 2008 2:59 PM PDT
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the question was posed and i answered it.
don’t criticize my answer just because you don’t like it.
actually, i am HIGHLY passionate about this team and the game in general.
to bring GA back just because he’s a your favorite player is STUPID. the guy past his prime. period. give me ONE legitimate reason why Kendry Morales can’t do what GA did this season, and I’ll rethink my position.
….i thought so.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Oct 7, 2008 4:55 PM PDT
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i'd rather see kendry take gmj's spot, not ga's
even if that means we need to pay both and watch hgh ride the pine.
Red Sox, we're comin!
by NoDakHalo on
Oct 7, 2008 6:47 PM PDT
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Sosh will never seen GA as a 5th outfielder. It's one of his many blindspots.
If GA stays, he will play. And we’ll continue to get subpar production out of LF.
by snowhor on
Oct 8, 2008 10:37 AM PDT
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Because Kendry will be manning 1b
Could be work, could be baseball...but I got Spring Fever!!!!!
by P237 on
Oct 14, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
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You never said what you would do Scuff
Does he walk or do you kick out 14m
As John McEnroe said “The question……answer the question…….”
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on
Oct 7, 2008 5:37 PM PDT
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he pulled an "obama" there
:P
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Oct 7, 2008 7:16 PM PDT
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WOMANIZER
If GA wasn't so Lazy, I'd have something clever here.
by TheTypingFiend on
Oct 7, 2008 8:17 PM PDT
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lol
thanks for that. i was hoping to see some sort of sarcastic remark. =D
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Oct 7, 2008 8:41 PM PDT
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HEY SCUFF this is ablog asking a question
don’t tell people what to do on this blog
by Rev Halofan on
Oct 7, 2008 11:20 PM PDT
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Adios Muchacho
Give him the 3 mil, offer something around 5 mil for 1 year. Retire his number in 2 years.
Take the 6 mil saved and put it in the “Sign Tex” petty cash drawer
by Northwest on
Oct 7, 2008 2:12 PM PDT
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Buy out the option
Try to renegotiate a new, significantly reduced contract (if he’ll take it). GA can still contribute in a rotational DH/LF role.
If GA still sees himself as a $14m per year player, good luck to him elsewhere.
by Ajax on
Oct 7, 2008 2:29 PM PDT
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Let Him Go
As much as he has a beautiful swing, Mr. Hustle he is not… This team needs more hustle and less “entitlement” thinking.
by ScottD00 on
Oct 7, 2008 2:31 PM PDT
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There're a lot of guys on this team who should "hustle" more
Captain, there are doubt's...
by Match Day 5 on
Oct 8, 2008 6:02 PM PDT
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Replacement
No one’s mentioned who replaces him in LF. Can we include that in the discussion?
And for shits, I think we don’t make any decision until Teix makes his. Domino effect.
by Sethy on
Oct 7, 2008 2:36 PM PDT
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Is Teix going to play LF?
"why do you we still have quitlin?" -VladdyG
by cupie on
Oct 7, 2008 2:38 PM PDT
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good question about who plays left
If you could resign GA for say $6 million a year with incentive clauses, is there a better left fielder out there who you could sign for that amount. An outfielder who will hit 15 homers and drive in 85-90 runs?
It’s easy to say just drop him, and give the money to Teix. But then who plays LF, Willits?
Angels in 09!
by tanana40 on
Oct 7, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
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FIggins
Wood is your new 3B
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Oct 7, 2008 4:56 PM PDT
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we've up
"why do you we still have quitlin?" -VladdyG
by cupie on
Oct 7, 2008 5:09 PM PDT
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....i still hate you
=D
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Oct 7, 2008 7:16 PM PDT
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This has been one of the highlights at HH. Makes me laugh every time i see it!
by sothball on
Oct 7, 2008 8:00 PM PDT
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And I still dont get it.......
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on
Oct 7, 2008 8:31 PM PDT
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it was during a game thread
i meant to type “we’re up”, in reference to the score, but it came out “we’ve up”.
cupie was the only one to catch it, and now he won’t let me forget it.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Oct 7, 2008 8:41 PM PDT
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you're welcome too
….jerk. lol jk
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Oct 7, 2008 8:41 PM PDT
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If anything
Figgy to 2nd, Howie to Left
by Seik1177 on
Oct 7, 2008 6:43 PM PDT
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i'll take ga in the lineup over figgy
Red Sox, we're comin!
by NoDakHalo on
Oct 7, 2008 6:49 PM PDT
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Let him go
I love GA and his style of play but it is time to move on and give a younger guy the chance. 2009 is the year of CHANGE, and the Angels could use a heaping helping of that.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on
Oct 7, 2008 2:36 PM PDT
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Oh, I thought 2009 was the year of the Ox.
Let no joyful voice be heard! Let no man look up at the sky with hope! And let this day be cursed by we who ready to wake... the K-Rod!
by Scuff on
Oct 7, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
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Rev Halofan is the astrologer on this bus. Maybe he would have something to say about this and give the Angels a reading sometime?
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on
Oct 7, 2008 3:00 PM PDT
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Garret is a Crab - Cancer, the Moon Child
2009 sees the Crab batting 5th for Tampa Bay
by Rev Halofan on
Oct 7, 2008 11:26 PM PDT
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Teix won't sign if GA is hitting in front of him or behind him, that's for sure.
by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on
Oct 7, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
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but he will if....aybar or izturis or gmj is?
Red Sox, we're comin!
by NoDakHalo on
Oct 7, 2008 6:55 PM PDT
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as much as he's been the consummate professional... $14Mil just too much
for his age/production, especially considering we have the cement block of a contract that is GMJ.
with the money we have from taking off GA, KRod, Judy, we should be major players for some impact additions this offseason. we’ll see what happens.
Hope Tony Reagins is ready to eat out at Del Taco a lot this winter.
load the spaceship with the rocket fuel... load it with the warriors...
by gdog009 on
Oct 7, 2008 2:52 PM PDT
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Buy him out...
and see what the FA market holds. Or if they can negotiate a “hometown” deal, then by all means go for it. I would love to see GA finish his career in an Angel uniform. I am sure he is more than willing to take a huge paycut in order to stay. The bigger questions is whether the Angels even make him an offer…..here’s to hoping they do. Reality is more likely that they don’t.
by Clip Show on
Oct 7, 2008 3:01 PM PDT
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No way do you pick up his option...
But he’d be a good 4th OF/DH backup guy. Hopefully he’d be cool with a role like that to stay and retire an Angel. Just gotta know his place is all…lazy:)
by Monkeyspanked on
Oct 7, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
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GA
probably my favorite player since I was ten but we got to buy him out. Perhaps he’ll sign for less but I doubt it. I remember having the same gut wrenching thoughts when Ersty and Percy left but you know what, both of those were good moves that ended up helping the team. It’s just part of the game I guess…
game time!
by haloforlife on
Oct 7, 2008 3:39 PM PDT
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Buy him out, offer him $1 mil
If he wants to go year-to-year on a heavily reduced rate, he can end his career as an Angel, starting as a platoon player, and with dignity. I’d actually like to see that, since we’ve got bupkus for outfielders. But if he wants to earn money or security, sayonara, old friend.
by mattwelch on
Oct 7, 2008 3:42 PM PDT
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possibly the best idea i've heard yet.
unfortunately, i have a feeling it isn’t very realistic.
Red Sox, we're comin!
by NoDakHalo on
Oct 7, 2008 6:56 PM PDT
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Dude if he is on the roster Scioscia is going to wet his pants and PLAY HIM EVERY DAY.....
Even if he goes the way of Katrina “cant hit for shit” Hillenbrand.
Or do you forget our little (acutally he is pretty big) LOVES hiself a, fresh out of his prime, VEHTRUN?
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on
Oct 7, 2008 8:34 PM PDT
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our little****manager******LOVES
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on
Oct 7, 2008 8:35 PM PDT
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Absolutely...
…give him a deal like Wakefield has with that wretched hive of scum and villainry.
I see red people
by The Limey on
Oct 8, 2008 7:10 AM PDT
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buy him out? yes.
new offer? yes.
1 year, 7 million, club option for ’10 with 3 million buyout.
but .285 15 85 is worth way more than 1 million, and a lowball offer like that is so far below what he has re-earned, it would be an unprofessional slap in the face. I don’t care how much you joke around him being lazy. He has a stellar, accurate arm (in LF) and is a godsend in LF at Angel Stadium.
Don’t underestimate depth with the amount of injuries we have EVERY year. Relying on Sosh to impeccably rotate players in and out may not work next year, or any other year like it has in the last three.
Like I said this morning in my fan post, bringing him back doesn’t necessarily mean he is still the starter. He is at the point in his career where he needs to mentally prepare himself for a reduced role, for any team he signs with. With this in mind, it becomes a no brainer.
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by feNOMINAL on
Oct 7, 2008 4:06 PM PDT
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yes, he still productive enough to warrant $6-7 million a year. Quinlan makes a million.
If you want to replace GA with somebody of at least equal value then the team is going to have to pay some money. It’s not like we have some $500,000 a year rookie ready to take over and produce at GA’s level.
Angels in 09!
by tanana40 on
Oct 7, 2008 4:17 PM PDT
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Kendry Morales!
HOLY CRAP, GA was not that good this year!
geez… he’s a fan favorite, we get it! he’s not the greatest player ever to grace the field!
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Oct 7, 2008 4:57 PM PDT
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ROFL
KENDRY MORALES
Rookie – No
$500,000 – About the same
HE IS THE ANSWER……..Did GA get a double in the playoffs and bat .500? NO but Morales did.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on
Oct 7, 2008 5:16 PM PDT
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No, but he did
bat .500 over same amount of at-bats as Morales did. Morales didn’t really get enough appearances to say he was “great” during the playoffs.
by turs12 on
Oct 7, 2008 5:42 PM PDT
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At this point "great" is highly subjective.
If GA wasn't so Lazy, I'd have something clever here.
by TheTypingFiend on
Oct 7, 2008 6:23 PM PDT
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Defense was a problem during the playoffs, do we want Kendry in left for 150 games?
I don’t know if he can play defense in the outfield, can he run a ball down, can he throw a runner out at 2nd, 3rd, home?
Angels in 09!
by tanana40 on
Oct 7, 2008 8:26 PM PDT
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There's one way to find out
Hopefully he sees some outfields in winterball and Spring Training
If GA wasn't so Lazy, I'd have something clever here.
by TheTypingFiend on
Oct 7, 2008 8:31 PM PDT
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He has an Above Average Arm (Pitched in Cuba) So Yes to the throw a runner out.
We saw him run down a couple balls this year So I say YES to that too.
Can he play 150 games in Left or Right, I say YES…..Shit if Vlad can do it with a funky leg then Morales can.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on
Oct 7, 2008 8:38 PM PDT
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Keep him for security
Only at a discount rate.
I would like to see him retire as an Angel.
So if we buy him out and give him less money (which I think he would take-what else does he need to prove by going to another team)
And let him fill in as needed.Insurance
And maybe put Morales/Reviera in Left and Tex on 1st
HGH should just be cut so there is no temptation on playing him and chalk it up to a bad call on Stoneman
HK47 for MVP IN 09'
by MOJOJAZZ on
Oct 7, 2008 4:08 PM PDT
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business shmizzness
GA wants to retire an Angel, and i’m pretty sure he knows he wont get 14mm anywhere. He holds more club batting records than any other Angel if I am not mistaken. He came up as an Angel, and despite all the haters, I think he is one of the best players this team has ever had.
Buyout at 3mm and offer a respectable deal, say 2/12 for him to be the starting LF, or one of the DH platoon. Don’t relegate him to the bench, inconsistent at bats are his foe.
Q: What's the difference between A-Rod and Madonna? A: Madonna had a couple hits last October...
by tdischino on
Oct 7, 2008 4:16 PM PDT
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Bye bye, GA
http://inplaynoouts.blogspot.com/ - A blog about teams I like, written by me.
by Carl Johnson on
Oct 7, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
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Hate to say it, cause I love GA
but i think we have to let him go.
light up the halo
by deer on
Oct 7, 2008 4:28 PM PDT
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Don't let the door...
hit your ass on the way out GA.
My old knickname for him was HOM (Human Out Maker). I’ve been waiting for him to go away for a while, but he redeemed himself a bit the last two years. I thought he was completely done in 2006. Luckily, it got a little better for him.
Unfortunately, we don’t have much in the way of other options, but GA won’t be on the next good Angels team, so why keep him around for sentimentality.
Jim Scully
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Oct 7, 2008 4:36 PM PDT
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Darn, you are a tough critic
The Human Out Maker has 2368 career hits, 1292 RBIs, 489 doubles, 272 homers, and a career .296 average. Not to mention, a bases clearing double in Game 7 of the 2002 WS.
Angels in 09!
by tanana40 on
Oct 7, 2008 4:44 PM PDT
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Yep.
Unfortunately, he never had enough power (SLG%) to justify his low OBP except for the couple of 30+ HR seasons. Similarly, he never had enough OBP to justify his mediocre SLG numbers.
He is/was a tweener. Don’t get me wrong, his counting stats are pretty impressive. But he makes a shit-load of outs. More than most players with as many AB’s as him. He should have become a platoon/bench player when the arthritis diagnosis came through – he lost all the power and became basically useless, but the team gave him a shiny new contract and didn’t want to sit him or look for a real solution to their lack of offense.
Cite the 80+ RBI’s all you want – that doesn’t cut it when you are hitting 3rd, 4th, or 5th most of the time.
Jim Scully
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Oct 7, 2008 5:01 PM PDT
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His "out" total
is right around the same career number as Derek Jeter.
I won’t say anything on your other matters, but “outs”…lame category. I would take a lineup of the league leaders in outs almost every single season.
This year, American League:
Cabrera-CHW 509
Suzuki-SEA 492
Young-TEX 487
Lopez-SEA 485
Rios-TOR 483
Sizemore-CLE 476
Pedroia-BOS 474
Peralta-CLE 472
Ibanez-SEA 471
Iwamura-TBR 469
And the National League:
Reyes-NYM 516
Tejada-HOU 496
Young-ARI 496
Hart-MIL 485
Kouzmanoff-SDP 482
Francoeur-ATL 479
Cantu-FLA 478
Howard-PHI 475
Lee-CHC 475
Gonzalez-SDP 471
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Oct 7, 2008 5:22 PM PDT
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GMjr doesn't make the list?
If GA wasn't so Lazy, I'd have something clever here.
by TheTypingFiend on
Oct 7, 2008 6:25 PM PDT
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He only seems like he does
The Angels may have beat them 8 times in a row, but winning three before they do is all that matters.
by hauldog on
Oct 8, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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Where does his out percentage of 67.5% rank?
Is .325 OBP is below average and well below the production you’d get from a good LF.
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Oct 8, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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You must have missed the part
where I said the whole point of the post was to address “outs” as a measurement of worth…and that I wasn’t trying to make any other point.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Oct 8, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
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And I was just being cute with my semantics...
I, of course, was referencing his abysmal OBP with my HOM moniker. A .3325 OBP is so putrid it isn’t even funny.
Point taken, “outs” as a stat isn’t a good one.
Jim Scully
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Oct 9, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
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MLB average this year is .333
making Garret average, not ‘putrid.’
I just want to be fair to the man. His OBP ain’t great. It never has been, and never will be. But as his one glaring fault, people seem to really get overly-hyperbolic with their rhetoric about how bad it really is. If league average is ‘putrid,’ then what is sub-league average?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Oct 9, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
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What's the league average OBP for LFs and DHs?
That’s the more important question.
by snowhor on
Oct 10, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
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If you know a good way of looking it up, go ahead and do so
Frankly, I don’t really care where he fits in for his position. We’ve known what he’s brought to the table for his entire career, and it’s generally at or above league average until his injury. Knowing his flaws, and where he fits in at the team, it’s up to the general managers to either rid us of him (unnecessary) or find ways to plug in production at other positions. His deficiency in OBP is magnified by the fact that for the last half-decade, he’s been surrounded by Vlad, and a bunch of slap hitters who do nothing to make up for his journey down the back-half of his career. Management has had ample opportunities to plug people in at generally non-power positions to offset his less-than-stellar left fielder numbers. Not comparing to your positional peers doesn’t make you below average when your numbers are right on par with the normal league average…positions aside, if everyone produced at G.A.‘s level at all 9 positions, an offense would be fine in terms of being ’average.’ He shouldn’t be expected to produce in excess merely because management has decided to play traditionally and not find power at positions like 2B and SS.
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Oct 10, 2008 9:56 AM PDT
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But that's the point.
You’re right that management has decided to play tradionally and not find power at position like 2B and SS. This is exactly why we can’t have middle infield-like production from someone playing LF (and don’t forget DH since 43% of his at bats were as DH).
If we don’t make up for the lack of production from LF while getting traditional production from 2B/SS, we’re left with a team that will struggle to score. The offense has to come from somewhere and LF/DH is the spot where we’ll most likely be able to improve.
I’m sorry GA, but this supposedly is the year of change, not the year of more of the same.
by snowhor on
Oct 10, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
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But it's not like G.A.'s offensive contribution
is so vile that it leaves no ability to work around it. His bat could easily remain in any offensive lineup in baseball without causing harm, so long as you structure around it and think outside of the box by stopping yourself from putting slap-hitting no-ones at the middle infield spots. His production is easily absorbed, and easily tolerated in the right set of circumstances (circumstances not all difficult to come by). He cannot be blamed for management compounding the problem of his offense fitting his position (an idea that I don’t buy into being relevant anyway…as I see it, it matters less where the offensive contributor is playing on defense, so long as the sum-total of the offense still produces in the end) by continuing to structure the offense poorly around him.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Oct 10, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
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Yes, you can work around it if there are viable options to beef up production at 3B, SS and 2B.
My point is there are more opportunities either in-house or in the free agent market at LF/DH. In a vacuum, we can afford to be sentimental and keep GA, getting better production elsewhere. In reality, if we want to improve our offense, we cannot because those options to improve elsewhere either don’t exist or are harder to obtain than LF/DH.
by snowhor on
Oct 10, 2008 7:35 PM PDT
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Adios Mi Amigo...
Only after we sign the neccessary players needed. If this can be done, I’m not sure on the the time tables here.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on
Oct 7, 2008 4:51 PM PDT
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buy the option and let him go
especially if you can sign tex. we can move morales to one of the outfield spots move vlad to DH and have torii, morales, gmj and willts in the out field
by UCIHalo on
Oct 7, 2008 5:10 PM PDT
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Take the buyout
3 years/12-15 million.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Oct 7, 2008 5:16 PM PDT
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A 3-year deal? Really?
Wow, I don’t even know how to respond.
by snowhor on
Oct 8, 2008 10:53 AM PDT
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It's not that much money to lose
4 million a year isn’t going to stop anyone of significant impact of being signed. To a certain degree, I support ‘respect’ deals, where you retroactively pay a man for his allegiances and loyalties for a long time…it makes a statement to other franchise players or free agents about how your franchise is run, and increase respect for the establishment. Since it wouldn’t hurt anyone, I don’t really care. And at the worst, his level of production in the next 3 years as a veteran player would probably fetch about that much anyway. Average salary today is closing in on 2 million, and that includes all of the pre-arbitration minimum-makers clogging up the rosters. The average veteran makes about 4 million or so. Considering his production is, well, about average, at the worst, we lose 4 million a year and almost certainly don’t lose a single meaningful free agent signing because of it. It’s money that, instead of being wasted on the yearly Shea Hillenbrand/Hector Carrasco/Steve Finley type, would be spent on someone who actually means something to the franchise, and would almost certainly produce better than any of those 3.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on
Oct 8, 2008 11:44 AM PDT
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I would agree with that if we didn't need to improve our offense.
I do disagree with the notion that he’s above average in performance, especially compared to other LFs and DHs. I don’t think we can afford to absorb his lack of production any longer considering that LF and DH are positions that give teams an opportunity to place heavy hitters.
by snowhor on
Oct 8, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
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I don't think he's above average
I think, statistically speaking, he’s pretty much ‘exactly’ average. The only stat he would be above in, is something like RBI. His second half-performances the last several years, however, have been well above average…in the 115-120 OPS+ range.
I think the contract is doable, while also retaining someone like Teix, or going out and picking up someone off of this list: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/2009-mlb-free-a.html
Or, of course, going the trade-route and finding a decent cheap bat (Prince Fielder?) from a desperate-to-trade partner.
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Oct 8, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
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I love GA as a player
but he doesn’t make sense economically. Maybe if he was still hitting over .300 while hitting 25 homers and driving in over 100 runs I’d consider it, but that’s not the case anymore. Morales came up big this post-season in a limited role and if he doesn’t take over as the everyday first baseman, he could definitely be a 4th outfielder. I like him a lot.
by Chzburger Jones on
Oct 7, 2008 5:41 PM PDT
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Keep him
But not at $14 million. It’s imperative that we sign Tex (or at least Adam Dunn, as frustrating as he’ll be to watch strikeout).
I agree with some other posters – GA knows he’s not going to make $14 million anywhere plus his family is here and he doesn’t seem like a guy who cares about the cash all that much. Buy him out, offer him a 3 year deal at $6 – 7 million per year to finish his career here and take a run at 3k hits/ 300 HR’s. That’s a better offer than he’ll get anywhere else, especially years-wise.
I love GA. He’s one player where I’m going to suspend the “this is a business” logic. I want him to retire as an Angel.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on
Oct 7, 2008 5:52 PM PDT
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No Dunng
Sorry slipped, Dunn Horrible fielder, not enough contact
by Seik1177 on
Oct 7, 2008 6:49 PM PDT
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You probably hate Napoli, too.
For someone who doesn’t make enough contact, Dunn sure gets on base a lot more than GA.
by snowhor on
Oct 8, 2008 10:55 AM PDT
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Yeah I did
I don’t like players who are basically 1 dimensional. Hits homeruns & walks, otherwise an out. If Nap really has learned how to do more than just hit homeruns, than I might just warm up to him.
by Seik1177 on
Oct 9, 2008 9:09 PM PDT
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Ugh...
the revolution takes time, apparently.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Oct 14, 2008 2:59 PM PDT
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I, too, would like to see GA retire as an Angel.
But there’s no way in the world that his $14 million option can be picked up. I would like to see a one year deal with perhaps a couple years worth of options added on. And it’s got to be for about half of that $14 million number.
Remember, shortly after he signed the big contract it came out that he was hurt. He seemed fine before he signed, however. Hence, I think the Angels need to be extra careful with him now because of his age. He’s saying the right things about how he now likes to DH. But, I think the Angels should be interested in him year-to-year.
by 10 27 02 on
Oct 7, 2008 6:21 PM PDT
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buyout
negotiate for a lower deal. we need some depth in the of and the guy can still at least semi-produce. Anywhere in the 4-6 mill range would be good. Year to year deal. I’m fairly sure the guy wants to retire an angel. I remember seeing him and tim salmon back in palm springs when I was fairly young; I think he likes this organization and will take a hometown deal to stay and retire here.
by linkbruin on
Oct 7, 2008 6:34 PM PDT
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Adios Muchacho
Thanks for the memories.
He might be OK to be in the mix in the OF, but Soth refuses to sit him versus lefties. He never should have been in the lineup versus Lester.
On the open market, you can get that production for about 3M per season, not the net 11 we would pay by picking up the option.
by elricsi on
Oct 7, 2008 6:50 PM PDT
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GA hit .316 against lefties after the break
He hit .290 for the year against them, I think Sosh had it right, just didn’t turn out picture perfect.
by Seik1177 on
Oct 7, 2008 6:55 PM PDT
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OK
.290 for the year, with an OPS of .704
To show you how bad 704 is:
GMJ’s OPS against lefties was .774
Jeff Mathis was .747
A better judge for splits is to use last 3 years, and GA hit .272 (of course with few walks and little power). Soth is too loyal to his longtime boys. He just can’t be trusted to spot GA, so GA has to go.
by elricsi on
Oct 7, 2008 9:38 PM PDT
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Yeah, but GA fits into the team's hitting philosophy of not being good.
So, you can’t really fault Sosh. The entire organization loves itself some outmakers.
by snowhor on
Oct 8, 2008 10:57 AM PDT
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14 mil is just too much
Try to renegotiate. Keep him in the club for a lower price. Retire him as an Angel.
The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.
by chairmanofthebar on
Oct 7, 2008 7:17 PM PDT
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Buy it out
He’s the last of my favorite angels but its his time to go. If they can resign him for the money he is worth on the open market
Who wants to play hide and go seek in right field?
by mynosebleeds on
Oct 7, 2008 7:27 PM PDT
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Mat, I need to tell you something
I’m stealing this concept. Thanks for the idea.
by LA Seitz on
Oct 7, 2008 7:33 PM PDT
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That's what you get when you don't © your ideas
Let this be a lesson to us all (except kle18 who seems to know about this already)
If GA wasn't so Lazy, I'd have something clever here.
by TheTypingFiend on
Oct 7, 2008 8:16 PM PDT
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There is gonna be one of these showing up every day
I already programmed it to get my mind off the loss…
by Rev Halofan on
Oct 7, 2008 11:27 PM PDT
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I suspect we have run this one into the ground all season long...
No way do they exercise the club option! They will buy him out. My favorite all time Angel is still Erstad and it killed me when they let him go, but I understand that it was the right thing to do. Hopefully they will both retire as Angels!
I like the idea of a 2 year, $10M incentive laden contract. I know many of you think he is lazy or doesn’t give his all, but I suspect that is quite far from the truth! Besides, I really love the nickname Blue Smoke! Can’t lose him now!
Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!
by K3YEROUT on
Oct 7, 2008 8:25 PM PDT
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Buy out the Option
Maybe offer him a 1 year deal for 6 million with a bunch of incentives and put him on the bench as a back up OF/DH that can come in to play when the inevitable yearly Angels injuries occur. If he wants to play everyday in a place like Kansas City and get a longer contract, let him walk. I rather have K Mo or Juan Rivera (if they sign him) starting in the OF and getting the bulk of the playing time than GA.
by stolenbases on
Oct 7, 2008 8:36 PM PDT
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Lates Anderson........
I didnt really like you so I dont have an emotional attachment. You were a good productive player though so I respect you for that. BUT it is time for our YOUNG players to devolope and prove to the world of MLB that we do have a good Farm System.
I would choose Rivera in a Heartbeat over Anderson……….If Rivera is not signed I like the Idea of moving Figgins to LF and starting Wood at SS.
Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by acuda27 on
Oct 7, 2008 8:47 PM PDT
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buy out...2 years/$10-13 mil, club option '11...(incentives)
and he’s not lazy…he makes everything look easy…like a gazelle…Soth wouldn’t play a lazy player
by cmy912 on
Oct 7, 2008 9:19 PM PDT
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But he has no problems playing a proven veteran who can no longer hit.
That’s why the front office needs to take this option away from him.
by snowhor on
Oct 8, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
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Pay Him Less
Garret is a good player and he can still help this this team just not at 14 million. Maybe more like 5 million and we have a deal. I couldn’t image any other team paying him more than that so if he wants to play next season thats his best option.
legen... wait for it... dary
by thebigA on
Oct 7, 2008 9:42 PM PDT
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i'd hate to see him go...
my personal fav angel of all time… i wouldnt pay him 14 mil… i agree with most of the posts here, buy him out and try to get him for 1 yr. 5 mil-ish sort of deal. whatever happens GA you are the man and ALL here appreciate what you did for the franchise.
Krod save count (62) ... Rob's blinkie cup collection (8)
by BigBangRobbDawgg on
Oct 8, 2008 1:03 AM PDT
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Thank God fans don't run baseball teams
How are you going to replace .290 and 80+ rbi’s. Give a young guy a chance? Take a chance on another GMJ? What are you going to pay this guy? Give me a break.
Buy him out and resign him for 12 mil/2 yr. It’s a steal.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on
Oct 8, 2008 1:48 AM PDT
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i agree that fans shouldn
Kotch would've had that.
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Oct 9, 2008 12:17 PM PDT
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stupid post cut off...
fans shouldn’t run teams, but for the opposite reason!
some of the posts in here… 2 and 3 year deals? come on… you guys want to become the Yankees! Look at them for an example: that’s what happens when you keep signing over-the-hill vets and never give the kids a chance to out-produce them.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on
Oct 9, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
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Bring Him Back
Garret Anderson is Mr. Angel nowadays, and he’s still got an outside shot at 3K hits and a HoF bid. Buy him out, of course, but bring him back. His defense is still solid and he’s getting better at being just a bat. He’s obviously losing his edge against left-handers, as evidenced by his pathetic offensive “performance” in Game 4, but you don’t just wave goodbye to a .293 season average when it comes with 15 homers and some solid clutch hitting.
by Kernel on
Oct 8, 2008 7:13 AM PDT
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HOF bid?
Sorry, even suggesting that he has an outside shot of making the HOF is laughable.
by stolenbases on
Oct 8, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
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Really?
300 HR’s, 550 doubles, 1500 RBI, a chance at 3k hits? Of course he has an outside shot. I wouldn’t say he has a good shot, but he’s got a decent chance at all of those numbers (assuming he plays three full seasons, he would have to average: 6 HR’s, 21 doubles, 70 RBI’s and 211 hits). Obviously the hits will be tough, but the others are well within reach. And even if he gets to 2800 hits, the only eligible person with that many hits who hasn’t been elected is Harold Baines, who spent a vast majority of the second half of his career as a DH.
Contrary to popular belief, GA has actually been a slightly above average fielder for his career when you compare his range factor to the league range factor.
With the new focus on OPS, GA’s candidacy is certainly going to suffer. But there are plenty of old school guys out there who appreciate a .295 avg and a lot of RBI’s. If GA can get to those milestones, and based on his health this season, there’s no reason to think he can’t, I think it’s laughable to suggest that he doesn’t have an outside shot at the HoF.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on
Oct 8, 2008 4:19 PM PDT
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Maybe if he played on the East Coast that would be the case, but....
even during GA’s halcyon years he was ignored by the national media. What makes you think that the hall voters are going to recognize his solid aggregate numbers, but somehow overlook his lack of dominate offensive seasons and average defense?
by stolenbases on
Oct 8, 2008 4:28 PM PDT
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Ultimately, they won't
But he’s been good for a long time, he has been completely untainted by steroid rumors (that might be worth more in voters eyes than we know), and he should wind up with some great counting stats – even more if he can manage to drag the batting average up over .300.
We may be debating over the meaning of the term “outside shot.” I think GA will get some decent support and hang around on the ballot for 5 – 10 years. And if he gets to 3k hits, he would be the first non-steroid (Palmeiro), non-cheating (Rose) player to get to that level and not be elected.
In my opinion, he probably won’t get to Cooperstown. But he does have a chance, and it’s better than a remote chance. I’d be thrilled if he could do that entirely in an Angels uniform.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on
Oct 8, 2008 5:03 PM PDT
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By the way
List of guys with 2800 hits, 320 Hr’s, 550 doubles, and 1500 RBI’s:
Barry Bonds
Cal Ripken
Carl Yastrzemski
Eddie Murray
Hank Aaron
Rafael Palmeiro
Stan Musial
Not bad company. Obviously Garret will have a much lower OPS than a lot of those guys, so I’m kind of cherry-picking stats. But it’s stuff like that that old school BBWAA guys eat up.
If you add in a .295 avg, you’re looking at Bonds, Aaron and Musial. More fuel for the old school voters. Just sayin.’
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on
Oct 8, 2008 5:22 PM PDT
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I can tell you are a big GA fan
He’s been a lifelong Angel with a solid, if not spectacular career and I appreciate some of his contributions. With that said, I would love him to make the hall since he has spent such a long time as a Halo and provided many great memories. Unfortunately, I feel I am being realistic when I say he’s going to end up with maybe a handful of votes for the hall.
by stolenbases on
Oct 8, 2008 5:31 PM PDT
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Guilty
I am a big GA fan. I don’t think he’s gotten a lot of the scorn people have given him for being “lazy.” I’m just making the case for him being more than an outside shot.
Realistically? I don’t expect to see him in. A lot of things have to go right for him (getting to all of those milestones AND convincing the voters that he’s been more than just good for a long time). I try not to let sentimentality get in the way of making this a better team, but when it comes to GA, I’d rather see him as an Angel.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on
Oct 8, 2008 5:45 PM PDT
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deserved not *gotten*
That’s what I get for being distracted while I type.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on
Oct 8, 2008 5:46 PM PDT
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His only shot is to get 3000 hits. The other stats won't get him there.
And to get to 3000, he’ll have to play for another 4-5 years with no health issues. I hope that’s not here.
by snowhor on
Oct 8, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
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I guess we will have to have this debate in 4-5 years
Hopefully for him he will go to Colorado so he can attempt to get to 3000.
by stolenbases on
Oct 8, 2008 4:36 PM PDT
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I hope it is here
It would be great to see GA get to 3k hits all in an Angels uniform. That would be a fantastic moment.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on
Oct 8, 2008 4:54 PM PDT
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It would be nice for sentimental reason, but he unfortunately plays a position where we need to put a better hitter.
I like GA, but he’s well past his prime and now provides below average production for a LF/DH. If this team wants to improve it’s offense, LF/DH is a spot where we need to get better. If GA does collect his 2800th or 3000th hit as an Angel, then I fear that our offense the next 5 years will mirror the last 5.
by snowhor on
Oct 9, 2008 11:08 AM PDT
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I understand
I see your point and it makes sense. GA is just one guy where I’m letting sentimentality get in the way of prudence. The truth is that we’ve had a lot of subpar hitters get a lot of at bats. Getting Teix at first, getting Kendrick healthy for a whole season, not giving GMJ any at bats, not platooning Mathis with Napoli – there are lots of ways to improve our offense, and GA isn’t going to kill us.
I’m set in my ways with this one. Having an old favorite in there finishing his career as an Angel is worth more to me than additional production. I realize that very few others feel that way, but I’m cool out here on my island.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on
Oct 9, 2008 11:21 AM PDT
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The GA Factor
It would stink to look out and see GA being lazy for another team, but if he won’t take some sort of pay cut then away you go.
He should end his career as an Angel but not for $14m. I say sign him for $3m base and load it up with some sort of incentives. Being he gets $3m and the $3m buyout that moves him into the $6m for the year. That saves the club $8m and its more then a fair deal in my opinion. Not sure you will get that from another for $6m. I do believe the club needs left handed pop in the lineup though. So something needs to be done with that as well.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on
Oct 8, 2008 7:35 AM PDT
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Buy him out
And if you can resign him on the cheap, do it. Use the money you save toward signing Teixeira to a deal.
Pain heals, Chicks dig scars, Glory lasts Forever!
by billhune on
Oct 8, 2008 7:46 AM PDT
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Bye-Bye
I’m done with Garrett. His best days are behind him. I wish he’d see it and retire, but I’m sure he’ll go somewhere and die a slow death on the bench. I just hope it isn’t on ours, or in left field. Mike loves to pencil in “vets” so keeping him off the team might be the only way to keep him out of Mike’s lineup.
Bye Bye Ohio, hello Valencia!
by anaheimisnotla on
Oct 8, 2008 8:06 AM PDT
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GA: go AWOL ASAP
OK, not really. But it’s definitely time for GA to hang ‘em up. Despite the fact that he appears to be aging backwards, his talent has been on the decline for several years. I’d love to see him retire as an Angel, but not for $14 million more.
by Laloosh on
Oct 8, 2008 9:29 AM PDT
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Buy and Resign
I dont think he is worth the 14 mil that he would make in the option but the guy still has been producing. He is only one year removed from leading the league in RBIs after the All star break. I think he can still do some good on the team but not for 14 mil.
by Skizoss25 on
Oct 8, 2008 11:31 AM PDT
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Buy him out
Leave him hanging, and explore other opportunities before making him a $7mil/1 yr deal.
If someone else signs him oh well.
The Angels may have beat them 8 times in a row, but winning three before they do is all that matters.
by hauldog on
Oct 8, 2008 2:50 PM PDT
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Buyout
That’s a no-brainer.
The question is, what else? We need to keep in mind that Juan Rivera is also a free agent. Frankly, I do not want to see Reggie Willits or GMJr. as the starting LF. I expect that in 2009, GA would still do better than either of those guys.
And while I’m open to the idea of Morales in LF, the reality is that it’s unlikely the Halos will be able or willing to be the top bidder for Teixeira, who will take the richest contract offer on the market no matter where it comes from (Boras won’t allow anything else).
That being said, I’d offer him another year at around $7 million, with another $7 mil./$1 mil buyout for 2010.
Otherwise, he gets a laurel, and hardy handshake.
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Oct 8, 2008 3:36 PM PDT
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Nice Blazing Saddles reference
Man that GMJ contract just comes back to bite us in every way, doesn’t it? I’m all for keeping Garret around and rotating him in and out of the OF. I’m hoping against hope that the Angels hand Teixeira a blank check and say, “whatever it takes.” In that case, I would play Morales in left or right, DH Guerrero and Garret alternately, and bid adieu to Rivera. Let Willits be a defensive replacement off the bench and hire a hit man to take care of GMJ.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on
Oct 8, 2008 4:23 PM PDT
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You've had a great Angel career Garret
But we need a better bat in the corner outfield.
by RallyMonkey5 on
Oct 9, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
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GA
I say you buy out his option for $3M.
I believe GA is going to want to play for 2-3 more years, I also think Ga who is a family man will not be willing to move his family or will want to be living in another city away from his family for 6 months out of the year. He has 3 kids that he probably doesn’t want to uproot and is very comfortable living the good life in Shady Canyon:
Proof:
Angels Insider: Where is your favorite place to be?
Garret Anderson: At home with my family.
Option 1:
2 years at $15M
$7M in 2009 and $8M in 2010
Option 2:
1 Year @ $7.5M
2010 Club Option @ $8.5M
This is a win-win for GA and the team. He and Vlad can alternate at DH and offer us some depth in the outfield. GA has been good in the second half of the last two seasons and to keep him around for somewhere around $7M a year is a good deal for a guy like GA….
Could be work, could be baseball...but I got Spring Fever!!!!!
by P237 on
Oct 14, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
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Buy-out, then offer discounted 2yr deal
at $6M-$8M per year.
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