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Lackey Pissed About Lack Of Offense

I don't think it's possible for it to get any clearer than Lackey put it in this Bill Shaikin piece in today's Times:

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[The Angels] also are expected to discuss contract extensions with Vladimir Guerrero and Lackey. After Lackey gave up two runs and lost Game 1, he pointed the finger at his offense. After he gave up two runs and got no decision in Game 4, he warned against that line of questioning.

"Don't stir the pot," he said.

Yet, when the questioning turned to whether he would wait to see what the Angels did with their offense this winter before considering an extension, Lackey answered with one word.

"Absolutely," he said.

The Angels have a failed offensive strategy; I know I've been round and round with Matt Welch on this point, but it's pretty obvious by now the singles offense is way too easy to disrupt, in the postseason especially, when you're facing better pitching. At some point the Angels are going to have to man up and recognize that they need to do better. That means taking walks, hitting the ball hard, and not making going first-to-third the alpha and omega of their offense. Getting Mark Teixeira was actually a good idea; who knew he would become a singles-hitting machine in the postseason?

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our lack of offense

was due to a lack of people being on base for tex, GA is not a #2 hitter, he did well in September against shitty pitching in that spot, but that’s about it. Tex was just trying to get the offense going don’t hate him for hitting singles.

by jtkelly86 on Oct 7, 2008 8:37 PM PDT   0 recs

Tex had a few chances with men on base…As did Vladdy…. Any one of those guys getting a hit when it was needed would of won that game,as it is they didn’t,its easy 2 go 4 games without a home run…GA didn’t do great either,I’d say look at the team as a whole,not just say guys didn’t get on for Tex.. Kendrick had his chances……

by raven191 on Oct 8, 2008 6:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and Lackey should be pissed

and he’s right in his stance. hopefully, this will put the fear into the organization, make them re-think their approach and ultimately, make the necessary changes. (i’m diplomatic because i just watched the debate lol)

Tex’s problem this postseason was not on him – Boston’s pitchers gave him nothing good to hit, and they were smart in doing it. I don’t care if he didn’t have an extra base hit… the man got on base in every way imaginable and performed fantastically.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Oct 7, 2008 8:40 PM PDT   0 recs

I am not sure I agree that it was a failed offensive strategy.

For position players, I believe the Angels organization in general has these priorities;
1) Speed.
2) Bating average.
3) Defensive capabilities.
4) Ability to get on base.
5) Power.

I write that based on a review of Angel minor league prospects (refer to any of Zu Long’s recent posts on minor league affiliates). There isn’t a lot of power in the minors.

However, they still acknowledge the need for power in the line-up. They have Vlad (and he did not have a typical Vladdy year). They have Napoli (though he shared catching duties with Mathis and was injured for part of the year). They signed Hunter last year. They traded for Teixeira (NOTE: the Rev did a post in late July where he used to Binoculars to check out "activities" in Arte’s box. His description of what he saw was pretty intense. If I remember correctly, Reagins was scratching his head pretty hard, while Forsch was trying hard to convince Arte of something. That something was probably the contemplated trade of Tex for Kotch. I think this was window into the inner philosophical conflict in the Angels organization).
So, I don’t believe they have an exclusive "singles" offensive strategy…it just worked out that way against an opponent with a tough "bend but don’t break" pitching staff.

All that written, I would really love to see them work pitching counts a lot better. A little less free swinging and a little more discipline. Give Teixeira more playoff AB’s, and I think he would be one to provide the power hitting we need in the playoffs.

by sothball on Oct 7, 2008 9:08 PM PDT   0 recs

And every one of these things

is in just about exactly the wrong order. Power and OBP correlate better to scoring runs than anything else.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Oct 7, 2008 11:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

there's no question

but that you’ve nailed the offensive priorities. Point is, they’re misguided. OBP and SLG should not be items nos. 4 & 5. They should be two of the top three things.

by jjackflash on Oct 7, 2008 11:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if i was lackey i'd say the same thing...

all the dude heard up until the series is how he was owned by boston… he pitched his ass off against them in the regular season and in the postseason. it wasnt just the offense that let him down the defense failed miserably. changes need to be made quickstyle or the lackster isnt gonna want to re-up with the halos.. and that’d be a damn shame.

Krod save count (62) ... Rob's blinkie cup collection (8)

by BigBangRobbDawgg on Oct 7, 2008 9:24 PM PDT   0 recs

the defense behind him was pathetic

good for him for finally saying something.

The angels philosophy of running and being aggressive isnt necessarily terrible, its just that an entire lineup of those guys is, as you said, pretty vulnerable against good pitching and all there is in the playoffs is good pitching. Even if we had snuck by boston, wed be facing good pitching in tampa and possibly the dodgers as well.

theres just too much room for error with 9 free swingers. Vlad, Torii and Howie is enough. Stop warping all our prospects to be contact hitters. We need guys who command the strike zone LIKE TEIX. why do we sign and trade for these patient guys but not grow our own?

Imagine if we produced the offensive philosophy of texas’ farm with our pitching.

Ya, why dont we again?

by ihearhowie2.0 on Oct 7, 2008 9:33 PM PDT   0 recs

The reason we HAVE our pitching is BECAUSE pitchers are the priority.

If the Halos made hitting their draft priority over pitchers, then they would not HAVE this staff.

Francisco Rodriguez: 2006 to Present: 149 saves. 5 Panthers. As fabulous as Pride, Romero, Gregg, Budde and Dino Ebel combined.

by Stirrups on Oct 7, 2008 9:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not so much

That’s easy to say, but I would add another factor: frankly it seems to me the Angels are consistently better at judging and developing amateur pitching talent than they are at developing hitting talent. Moreover, they favor an offensive philosophy that does not correlate well to the scoring of runs. This is exacerbated by the fact that, with the exception of Cedar Rapids, all the Angels minor league teams are in hitter’s parks and/or hitter’s leagues; in the cases of Rancho and Salt Lake (and possibly Tempe), both are true.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Oct 8, 2008 12:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And I don't understand how we can do so poorly with hitting when you think about our pitching philosophy.

We strive for strikeout pitchers who try to limit walks and keep the pitch count down. And many of these strikeouts come from deceptive pitches that start in the strike zone, but then fall out of it. That’s how K-Fraud is successful against free swingers, but has problems with patient power hitters, for instance.

Why then do we sign/develop swing at every mother f-ing pitch jackass hitters???

by snowhor on Oct 8, 2008 11:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't generalize about Frankie like that

His problems almost always come from mistake pitches that he can get away with to lesser hitters, but he gets slammed against the likes of David Ortiz.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Oct 9, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

do you think calmness will come with a maturing Frankie?

or is he just so damned emotional it will never happen?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Oct 9, 2008 8:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Go back and count the drafts this century.

How many pitchers?
How many position players?

I predict that the result will be that pitchers rank way high in total quantity of draftees. If so, then even if the Angels are capable of judging and developing pitchers and hitters at an equal rate, the MLB team would still be heavy with good pitching and light with good hitting. Actually, the fact that the major league team had enough offense to win 100 games in the AL, combined with a (probable) fact that they draft far more pitchers than hitters, might be an indication that they are actually MORE efficient at judging and developing hitters than they are with pitchers.

Francisco Rodriguez: 2006 to Present: 149 saves. 5 Panthers. As fabulous as Pride, Romero, Gregg, Budde and Dino Ebel combined.

by Stirrups on Oct 8, 2008 5:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure its been a problem.................. Red Sox just made a lot of good FA signings and trades

Bay – Pirates
Coco- Indians
JD – Cards
Jacoby Ellsbury -RS
Sean Casey – Reds
Dustin Pedroia – RS
Mark Kotsay – Marlins
David Ortiz – Twins
Kevin Youkilis – RS
Jason Varitek – Mariners
Lowell – Yankees
          
3 everyday position guys from the system

Pitchers
Josh Beckett – Marlins
Manny Delcarmen – RS
Javier López – Rockies
Tim Wakefield – Pirates
Jonathan Papelbon – RS
Hideki Okajima – Japan FA
Daisuke Matsuzaka – Japan FA
Jon Lester – RS
Paul Byrd – Mets

3 pitchers produced from the system

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 8, 2008 10:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmmm....

not sure how masterson and lowrie didn’t make your list. i guess it’s easier to forget a couple pivotal players as to drive home a self-serving point. in my eyes, 8 farm players on a 25 man roster (32% homegrown) is the sign of a sound organization. who knows, maybe the guys at BP are way off base ranking the sox farm system 1 or 2 every year for the last 5 years.

How is Gary Disarcina not in the Halo of Fame?

by Clutch_&_Scoop on Oct 8, 2008 12:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not Only That

but the reason they were able to acquire Beckett and Lowell was because they developed Hainley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez, among others.

by jjackflash on Oct 8, 2008 12:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The reason is

they were not afraid to pull the trigger on the trade you mention…….thats the truth of it

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 8, 2008 10:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My mistake

I did not mean to leave those players off the list. Both guys playing their college ball on the west coast as well.

The Red Sox have had some good drafts as have the Angels. The roster is 68% other as you sort of point out. The thing the Red SOx have done is acquire players through trades and FA that could help. The FA signings at times have been questionable when it comes to the Angels.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Oct 8, 2008 10:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i think you misunderstood what i said

i didnt say that we stop drafting pitchers. I said that we need to stop brainwashing our guys from single A up to be contact hitters. Why cant we start incorporating a more patient approach with guys it comes naturally to? If kotchman was drafted by boston or oakland, he’d be kevin youkilis jr but since we drafted him, he became a contact hitter and it changes the way he approached at bats.

Teach speedy guys to utilize speed, teach power guys how to control the strike zone. You waste power by not forcing guys to master their pitch recognition

by ihearhowie2.0 on Oct 8, 2008 8:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont know about pitch recognition.

Did you see the discipline of GA and the Admiral and Howie at the plate this last series? They had the discipline and pitch recognition of … well …. U-Haul …

/end sarcasm.

I agree wholeheartedly with your post.

Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!

by teopeht on Oct 8, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lackey is not a leader

Of course he should be mad but he is going about it in the wrong way. Did you see the way he would stare down Howie Kendrick every team he made an error. Heck, I was scared of Big John just watching from home, how do you think Kendrick is going to feel. Kendrick is a young player whose confidence was reeling and he needed to be told to keep his head up like when Torii Hunter took the blame on the missed pop fly (not his fault) instead of being scared so shitless by Lackey that another error was only inevitable.

by turs12 on Oct 7, 2008 10:14 PM PDT   0 recs

Relatively easy fix

Do not resign GA, do not resign Frankie, resign Tex. Start Morales in LF, don’t do anything get crazy with Kendrick, see what kind of bullpen arm we can get for Figgins and then put Wood at 3b. If we can’t get a good closer / setup man for Figgins, then keep him at 3b and put Wood at ss.

I’m not at all convinced that Arredondo is ready to be closer. I’d much rather sign a mediocre veteran and let Arredondo develop more in a middle relief role.

by HungryHunter on Oct 7, 2008 10:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Either Arredondo or Shields would make a better closer than half the other teams in MLB

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by Carl Johnson on Oct 7, 2008 10:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Simple

Escobar’s back in July.

Let Arredondo pitch, maybe have Shields do some combo work with him if necessary. If he struggles, and assuming our starting pitching is A-OK, stick Kelvim in the closer’s role once he comes back. MySpace said this year that he wants to help out the team however he can, and closing would be a great way for him to work on folding back onto the pitching staff and proving he’s still got some gas as his contract runs out.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 7, 2008 11:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like everything you said

except for letting Figgy go. We have other pieces to get rid of Figgy is just fine. Let Wood and Aybar compete for the SS job next year

Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that

by Sinatrasratpack on Oct 8, 2008 8:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The bullpen

is going to be weak if Arredondo is our closer and Shields is the setup man. Unless we want to gamble on Speier making a comback, we are pretty desperate for another good arm out of the pen.

by HungryHunter on Oct 8, 2008 10:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I saw this this morning and it made me smile

I’m glad someone’s pissed off. I know I am.

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by Carl Johnson on Oct 7, 2008 10:29 PM PDT   0 recs

Walk It Off

The Angels would be much better off if they just made pitchers work harder. Swinging all the time was great when they hit, what, .289 as a club in 2002? Not to mention the increase in power they had with Salmon, Anderson, and Glaus firing on all cylinders. Power’s down all around the majors, and while the Angels’ power outage was more pronounced during the ALDS, you’re still one hot catcher away from a homerless series for these guys. You don’t need homers to win, but they sure do help, and if you’re not walking AND not hitting homers, and instead you’re constantly putting the ball in reach of the best defense in baseball, you’re bound to lose. Get Tex back and I honestly think it’s enough if everyone else stays healthy.

by Kernel on Oct 8, 2008 12:28 PM PDT   0 recs

Lackey threw a stupid pitch in game 1, and lost the lead.

I didn’t hear any of his hitters saying how they wished they had a pitcher who could shutout another team in a playoff game.

by Quinlan's Goofy Swing on Oct 8, 2008 12:43 PM PDT   0 recs

That is a frightening exchange

Maybe he knows it is shopping season and he is letting the powers that be know what he wants and he is frustated…..

If they go after CC I will puke.

The Angels may have beat them 8 times in a row, but winning three before they do is all that matters.

by hauldog on Oct 8, 2008 2:25 PM PDT   0 recs

first thing I thought is "he should be"

how many times this season has the pitching been freakin fantastic and there was NO run support? Too many to count. Sometimes I think we got that 100 from sheer dumb luck

by ladybug on Oct 8, 2008 2:51 PM PDT   0 recs

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