Very Long Left Field Essay...
I’ve resisted all temptation to post my cynicism and sarcasm for awhile. This post started as a thread in Rev’s post regarding what to do with GA. I decided that it is so long that I would make a fanpost of it and leave it only to those willing to digest all of this…
The dust has finally settled enough for me to participate. I’ve been roaming the streets with John Lackey for the last two days, trying to find someone to “throw through a wall.”
But I’m calmer now and beginning to examine, with a slightly more objective perspective, what happened . Now, below you can find a very long diatribe about what to do with GA and about your favorite team. If you don’t like lots of words about your favorite team, please hit the ‘back’ button on your browser now. Or even now.
Okay then…
One of my earliest thoughts, believe it or not, was that it is time for Garret to go. He’s got a few years left in him, but certainly not at a level to match the expectations that he built for himself with an extended stretch of phenomenal play. As much as I’ve enjoyed GA, and as defensive as I’ve been of him and his recent play, I figured that the time had finally come.
And the first postseason HH post asked what to do with Garret. My response has become this post instead. I was ready to post with the rest of the lot, “can his ass,” and move on. Seriously, to the extent that I realized that it would be great to be a GA fan if you didn’t worry about the results of his at-bats. The fact that his already magnified at-bats are for the team that I love is sometimes too much. If he just batted fifth for the Rays, as Rev predicted, I could treat Garret’s AB’s, well, more the way he treats them…like they’re just one of many.
I couldn’t help but wonder, though, whether my feeling and realization were based more on the freshness of his last three games (two, really, his 0-5 in game 2 consisted of two lasers and the most casual (lazy?) home-run robbery ever witnessed in the playoffs) or whether it really was best for fans and the team if GA moved on or, gasp, retired.
So, using CKOD’s link (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/2009-mlb-free-a.html) regarding free agents, I examined all available free agents outfielders (including those who, like GA, have club options for next season) to see how GA stacks up and to determine what his value could or should be as a free agent.
It’s often mentioned at HH that GA is an “average” hitter. Well, that’s relative, of course, to the entire Major Leagues, most of whom are not currently available as free agents. Where GA stands in comparison to AVAILABLE players is most germane to this discussion.
The essential list condenses to this:
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Moises Alou (42) |
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Milton Bradley (31) |
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Emil Brown (34) |
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Pat Burrell (32) |
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Carl Crawford (27) - $8.25MM club option for '09 with a $2.5MM buyout |
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Adam Dunn (29) |
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Cliff Floyd (36) - $2.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout |
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Luis Gonzalez (41) |
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Jerry Hairston Jr. (33) |
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Raul Ibanez (37) |
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Gabe Kapler (33) |
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Kevin Mench (31) |
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Jason Michaels (33) - $2.6MM club option for '09 |
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Craig Monroe (32) |
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Greg Norton (36) |
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Jay Payton (36) |
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Wily Mo Pena (27) - $5MM club option or $2MM player option for '09 |
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Manny Ramirez (37) |
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Juan Rivera (30) |
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Fernando Tatis (34) |
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Rocco Baldelli (27) |
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Willie Bloomquist (31) |
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Mike Cameron (36) - $10MM club option for '09 with a $750K buyout |
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Jim Edmonds (39) |
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Gabe Kapler (33) |
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Mark Kotsay (33) |
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Corey Patterson (29) |
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Scott Podsednik (33) |
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Bobby Abreu (35) |
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Casey Blake (35) |
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Brian Giles (38) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout |
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Ken Griffey Jr. (39) - $16.5MM club option for '09 with a $4MM buyout |
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Vladimir Guerrero (33) - $15MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout |
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Brad Wilkerson (32) |
Now, a cursory look at this list makes it apparent that some of these clowns could NEVER replace GA, really at any price. GA may be above “average” relative to this list. Those on the list that I think most Angel/baseball fans would be willing to consider (giving all benefit of doubt) in GA’s stead, I believe, condenses further to:
Moises Alou
Milton Bradley
Pat Burrell
Carl Crawford
Adam Dunn
Cliff Floyd
Luis Gonzales
Raul Ibanez
Manny Ramirez
Juan Rivera
Mike Cameron
Jim Edmonds
Mark Kotsay
Bobby Abreu
Casey Blake
Brian Giles
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Of course, this list includes CF, RF, and LF, so some guys might be averse to changing positions, but let’s assume for a moment that all 21 players above are amenable to what the Angels need.
To me, Moises Alou is out. I’ll take GA over a 42 year-old Alou. Milton Bradley is a tremendous talent, though I’m not sure he fits well in the clubhouse. Still, he’d be hard to ignore as he’s so much of what the Angels are missing (OBP, power, etc.) But what will he be asking? Scary, given his volatility and unpredictability.
Pat Burrell is a big-time improvement over GA but will also be big-time expensive. Carl Crawford is debatable because 1) his career numbers aren’t what you’d expect, 2) he’s one leg injury from seriously reducing his value as a speed player, and 3) the Rays hold the option.
Adam Dunn is going to sign for more money than the Angels are willing to spend (provided they re-sign Tex). Before you start talking about Adam Dunn, go take another look at his offensive numbers. PERFECT DH for the Angels. It doesn’t matter how many times he strikes out if he gets on base more than 40% of the time he comes to the plate (and he hits 40 HR). And don’t worry about his defense, he can DH. It’s a no-brainer. If the opportunity to sign Dunn is there, the Angels should do it, regardless of price. Go ahead, put Tex and Dunn in the same lineup with Vlad. Seriously. Whew. We know it won’t happen, I know, but a man can dream for just one second, right?
Cliff Floyd? Hmmm. Not so sure he’s enough of an improvement over GA to make it worthwhile, especially given that he’s, ahem, Cliff Floyd.
Luis Gonzales now sucks, forget about him. Raul Ibanez is, theoretically, a better player than GA but is slightly older. If he were to put another season or two like he’s had for the Mariners, then maybe he’s worth scuttling GA for. I’m not sure he can do that…still, he’s appealing to some degree. Tough to ditch a guy like GA for an aging journeyman like Ibanez, who happened to have two very nice seasons before what will be his final contract. Ibanez would be under a lot of pressure to match his last two seasons but he could very easily match GA’s steady (though now diminished) numbers or, worse, flop and leave everyone asking, “we cut ties with GA for this?”
Manny. Well, I’d love to see the Halos sign both Manny and Tex, and don’t care if they break Moreno’s bank to do it. I somehow doubt it happens. The fan in me says sign Dunn, Teixeira, and Manny. The long-time Angel fan in me says the team will settle for none of those three. But if it can, count me as on board (I know, Reagins was worried). I’d prefer Manny in left to GA. Again, though, I’ll believe it when I see it.
Juan Rivera is an option. But he’s also inconsistent, a terrible fielder and apparently requires a pinch-hitter against tough righties like Justin Masterson (not complaining about Morales’ pinch-hit double obviously, but am still puzzled as to why Rivera was being lifted there). Plus, the Angels just finished paying him $2M; his price as a free agent will probably rival GA’s. Ah, so we’re back to the Juan Rivera v. GA argument (GA’s a much better fielder than Rivera, a much better team leader than Rivera, a much more reliable player than Rivera, and, over a full-season, every bit as productive (as Juan Rivera THEORETICALLY)).
Canning GA entirely in favor of Rivera still seems a dubious choice, though it’s obvious that many HH readers would take Rivera without ever looking back (apparently, they’ve not given much consideration to Rivera’s career first-half numbers). I’m all for finding a better player as a replacement for GA but only if he’s definitely better. I’m still not convinced that, over an entire MLB season, Rivera is that player. Is a marginal talent like Rivera a suitable replacement? Fans are split, though Mike Scioscia’s opinion seems quite clear.
Abreu? At what cost? He’s not worth the $15M the Yanks were paying him but I’m sure he’s not eager for a reduction in pay, either. He’s a better option than GA, there can be no denying that, but will he 1) play LF, 2) accept somewhere around $10M, and 3) come west? Sounds nice, but is it all realistic?
OK, Mike Cameron? Well, he’s old but still okay. Is he enough better than GA to warrant the move? I, for one, do not think so. Mike Cameron, from a career perspective, is an underachieving Garret Anderson, IMHO.
Jim Edmonds? Intriguing but, really, inapt. Going with Jimmy Edmonds over GA, at this point, would be strange and, given Edmond’s age, risky at best. Mark Kotsay? No. The guy’s awful.
Casey Blake? Same age, slightly more productive but, in the end, there’s a chance you get from him what you’ve gotten from GA for the last few years (I think Blake might be the better player but I also have to wonder if it’s enough of a gap to jeopardize losing GA’s intangibles). Blake’s another guy that is only a marginal improvement; it would certainly not take much of a drop off for Blake to not be able to match the .290/15/85 that Garret’s GOING to provide next season (as either leftfielder or benchmark…TBD).
OK, Brian Giles? Sure, were he available, I think he’s an improvement over GA. But the Pads hold the option ($9M) and other teams will likely bid the price up. The Halos have a geographic advantage with Giles should the Pads opt out of the contract (we learned at the trade deadline that Giles isn’t leaving SoCal), but how much will Giles be asking, even at a local discount? Too, he provides less power than GA. I would think we would want to improve over GA’s power numbers, not just his OBP numbers. And how much of a risk is his age?
Still, Giles could sure help the Angels. What kind of DH would Giles make? To me, Giles seems among the most realistic and productive free agent choices available, but he’ll be (expensive, maybe too expensive) won’t be a defensive improvement necessarily, and will provide the Angels with yet another guy with no threat to go yard. That would have to be an awfully big local discount to justify driving to a San Clemente (that’s about halfway, right?) Del Taco. Frankly, Giles is worth more than it’s going to cost to buy GA out of his contract and resign him at the market rate. Giles would have to sign for a market discount (possible given geography), maintain production in his 38-year old season, and play better defense than he has in about 4 years, for more money than it would likely take to sign GA. Oh, and don’t forget that Giles might just retire after this season, you never know. And if he doesn’t I would call the Pads stupid NOT to exercise that $9M option.
Lastly, and quickly, Griffey. Maybe a DH option but this one is unlikely because of geography, age, and salary (you’d probably have to pay him a premium OVER market value to put on the West Coast). You don’t replace the poor man’s Ken Griffey Jr. (something that GA once was) with an aging Ken Griffey Jr. You just don’t.
So with what are we left? Well, there are a few intriguing armchair-type wishful thinking options that should/would appeal to everyone. There are a few options internally (Morales, Brown and (god please no) Willits). And there are a couple of realistically-minded possibilities that offer only nominal (tangible) improvement over GA.
In consideration of all of this, my answer is to buy GA out of the contract ($3M), offer him one year/$7M with a club option for 2010, AND offer Juan Rivera 2 years/$8M. Ta dah, $14M total for 2009 (including the buyout price of GA’s contract) for both GA and Rivera. GA has already proven willing to DH and to sit against SOME lefties (he hits others quite well). Rivera can take the deal or drag his journeyman shit-fielding goldilocks splintered ass to some other team’s bench for $4M, where he won’t make the playoffs and won’t be able to be Vlad’s friend (or, more importantly, borrow his bats) as easily.
If GA says no, then you ignore Rivera and go sign someone that provides a marked improvement over GA (Burrell, Dunn, etc.). Unless you know you’re getting a big-time OPS guy in his stead, it doesn’t make sense to abandon GA entirely. Again, he may be “average” but the rest of the league isn’t available.
Amazing how many words you all get for my $.02!
This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan and may or may not be a reflection of human evolution, divine enlightenment or nine cans into a 12-pack.
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your fingers must be sore
i’ll admit i didnt read it all so forgive me if that is apparent from what i skimmed, but…
GA’s replacement will be Chone Figgins or Gary Matthews in LF: ie 2 guys already getting paid millions by the Angels. Brandon Wood makes the team this season at third in my opinion which makes Figgins an outfielder again.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Oct 9, 2008 5:55 PM PDT 0 recs
I read it
They will give matthews one more try in 2009. Sad.
ALSO – i edited your headline – Headlines should indicate THE SUBJECT of a post.
by Rev Halofan on Oct 9, 2008 6:31 PM PDT 0 recs
What was the original headline?
Just curious for some reason.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on
Oct 9, 2008 7:29 PM PDT
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The original headline was
the awkard, “this is ridiculously long.”
Thanks Rev.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Oct 9, 2008 8:27 PM PDT
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Is he
At least having surgery on that damn knee?
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on
Oct 9, 2008 8:01 PM PDT
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matthews playing.......
suicide
"Halos Heaven All Time Saves Record Holder Genius Prognasticator."
by vlad IS my man on
Oct 9, 2008 8:24 PM PDT
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Yeah, you're probably right;
they’re already spending that money, so they might as well use him.
The thought of watching an entire season of GMJ Jr….my god, I’d rather read this post 162 times than watch Matthews for 162 games.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Oct 9, 2008 8:33 PM PDT
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Good post.
I read all of it and thought it was really thought out and well stated.
Wouldn’t it be fun to watch Manny, Dunn, Teix, Vlad and Hunter in the same batting order? Wow! Too bad money is an object.
I think ihearhowie is right, Figgins in left and Wood takes over 3rd. That is, unless Figgins or one of the middle infield guys don’t get traded.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Oct 9, 2008 7:27 PM PDT 0 recs
very nice writeup
I nearly completely agree in all points, including the proposed action/solution.
it’s been said by a few already, but our farm is becoming dangerously looted from lack of first rounders. we need to avoid the early 00’ yankee trend of buying FA’s and losing top quality first rounders. Time will tell if our supplementals and second and thirds were good picks, but unlikely to replace over time, the impact of some top first rounders.
www.13stoploss.com
by feNOMINAL on Oct 9, 2008 7:28 PM PDT 0 recs
I agree very nice write up
well thought out with thoughts and ideas not just emotion.
I think GA can use somw pep pills just as much as the next guy, but if you told me that we just signed GA for 1 year at 6-7 with an option for one more I think we would all be happy with that.
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on Oct 9, 2008 7:58 PM PDT 0 recs
+1
I really admired his late season push. Not to mention the years he’s given us.But Garret is not the focus! If that’s what Tony, Soth and Arte are focused on, big mistake! We need a new approach. Sad to say, Garret is in the past. What Salmon was to the 2002 team. Honored elder statesman, that’s all.
No witty sig here.
by SonomaCoHalofan on
Oct 10, 2008 11:44 PM PDT
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here here
but i think it all kinda hinges on if we get Teix or not. If we dont teixeira, i kinda see the angels going with a minor youth movement (morales, kendrick, aybar, wood)
by ihearhowie2.0 on
Oct 9, 2008 8:20 PM PDT
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Take your time,
you’ve got the whole off-season.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Oct 9, 2008 8:31 PM PDT
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wasn't that the swear word...
used in Battlestar Galactica?
by Downing Rules on
Oct 14, 2008 5:13 PM PDT
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i never watched the original
but its used in the new one i can tell you that.
so it would make sense if was also used in that other one.
by linkbruin on
Oct 15, 2008 12:59 AM PDT
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cliff floyd is retiring after this year
"Halos Heaven All Time Saves Record Holder Genius Prognasticator."
by vlad IS my man on Oct 9, 2008 8:23 PM PDT 0 recs
Manny Ramrez- 20 million dollars
Manny hitting a walk-off homer against the Sox in the playoffs- priceless
"Halos Heaven All Time Saves Record Holder Genius Prognasticator."
by vlad IS my man on Oct 9, 2008 8:26 PM PDT 1 recs
sorry, I have ADPRD
Attention Deficit Post Reading Disorder
in 25 words…..wha’ huh????
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby
by ladybug on Oct 9, 2008 8:37 PM PDT 0 recs
Yeah...um...
…Rip Van Winkel fell asleep at the start of your post, woke up somewhere in the middle, and has since been in retirement in Miami for about 8 years…or is it 10?
I don’t remember anything beyond “I have resisted all temptation…”
What was the question?
by sothball on
Oct 9, 2008 9:58 PM PDT
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Rip Van Winkel?
I always thought that was a dumb story. I mean why didn’t he just set the alarm on his cellphone?
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Oct 9, 2008 10:10 PM PDT
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He did.
But he forget to charge the damned thing. You should have seen the backlog of text messages he suffered through when he finally woke up!
Francisco Rodriguez: 2006 to Present: 149 saves. 5 Panthers. As fabulous as Pride, Romero, Gregg, Budde and Dino Ebel combined.
by Stirrups on
Oct 9, 2008 10:17 PM PDT
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Sorry. I mean, I KNOW you put a lot of work ino this post.
I think part of it is expectation. I figure I will read something here that will be about 2 paragraphs max. Something easily digestible.
This post was not easily digestible.
It’s sort of like thinking you are going to get a song by…Madonna?…and instead get…Symphony #6 by Tchaikovsky.
I just wasn’t prepared for it.
I will try again tomorrow…I think i will need to sleep on it.
by sothball on
Oct 9, 2008 10:20 PM PDT
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In 25 words or less...
please see the included poll.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Oct 9, 2008 8:44 PM PDT 0 recs
One observation:
Your list includes ages. The inference there is that each age listed is relative to one another and, therefore, a data point for the reader making decisions concerning your subject.
Ages, of course, ARE relative. But they are NOT straight line relative. And this is an important distinction.
I did a comparative graph a few years ago to showcase the artificial career arc of Barry Bonds (I still have it electronically, somewhere). Setting aside the Bonds chart plot for now, it was obvious that the other top 20 home run hitters experienced a similar curve of productivity throughout their careers. If you could project that out to cover ALL offense, not just HR production, the result would reveal that the difference in age during the early years is not so great, rising dramatically at first then rising gently through the middle of the career. But the latter years all tail off dramatically. This means that the difference between ages 36 and 37 is significant (and negative), whereas the difference between 29 and 30 is mild, albeit positive.
My point is that age IS important, but you have to understand the age performance curve, and the predominant deviations from the average, in order for age to be a useful comparative data point between any two players.
Francisco Rodriguez: 2006 to Present: 149 saves. 5 Panthers. As fabulous as Pride, Romero, Gregg, Budde and Dino Ebel combined.
by Stirrups on Oct 9, 2008 9:03 PM PDT 0 recs
I voted for Halo killer Raul Ibanez.
In part because I would get a sick joy in watching Ibanez throw lawn darts around left field, in part because I would get a lot of pleasure if he got better on defense and made the Mariners feel even worse than before.
In all seriousness I don’t see GA coming back and I don’t see Manny coming to the Halos.
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
by teopeht on Oct 10, 2008 2:03 AM PDT 0 recs
He is a terrible defender no thank you
The Angels may have beat them 8 times in a row, but winning three before they do is all that matters.
by hauldog on
Oct 10, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
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Crawford
No way the Rays let him go. They will pick up his option.
by Skizoss25 on Oct 10, 2008 11:31 AM PDT 0 recs
Fantastic Post but what about kapler instead of Rivera?
I totally agree with your analysis and solution to that dilemma. I would only really give up GA for a Crawford deal but im sure the Rays will pick up his option. The only thing i might think is better is going after Gabe Kapler instead of Rivera. Kapler is more productive at .301/.340/.498 as opposed to Rivera’s .246/.282/.438. And it seems that Kapler would be more accepting of a platoon/backup role. His arm is slightly weaker than Rivera’s but he makes less errors in the field.
Paul O'Neill's a BITCH!
by silent_sole on Oct 10, 2008 8:19 PM PDT 0 recs
I may have said this somewhere else
But .290 and 85 rbi’s? Willits gonna do that. Rivera, maybe. I was totally satisfied with GA this year and would not mind another year or two of healthy GA.
Oh, I am way to GA to read your whole article. Just commenting on the left field thing.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Oct 10, 2008 11:02 PM PDT 0 recs
wait, willits .290 and 85 rbis?
make sure you pass that.
by linkbruin on
Oct 11, 2008 12:06 AM PDT
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question mark after "willits gonna do that"
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on
Oct 14, 2008 2:05 AM PDT
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Milton
Can’t play the field really. He is a DH
The Angels may have beat them 8 times in a row, but winning three before they do is all that matters.
by hauldog on Oct 13, 2008 4:30 PM PDT 0 recs















