Teixeira

i cant see us getting him for less than 8 years

we’re gonna want to make an offer he cant refuse early. 6 years wouldnt please boras early. the yanks would match that offer IMO

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 19, 2008 9:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ninja said just the opposite...

He didn’t want to bid against himself or create the market for Teixeira. He wanted to see where folks like the Yankees started to see what the cost was likely to be…

I would be very happy if they resign him at all costs because Vlad is in decline – and it might be steep. I see him off the books next year. I can’t see him being resigned unless he bounces back this year. If that is true, then Teix is the marquee player and there is Vlad money floating around for Lackey and another OF’er.

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by jimmuscomp on Nov 19, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't see the yanks putting too much effort into getting tex

after bringing in swish i think they are going to concentrate their efforts and their funds toward a pitching staff.

by NoDakHalo on Nov 19, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yanks have been talking about Swisher at 1B since they got him

even if he isn’t there for 162 games, the mere fact they traded for him with 1B in mind means that their top concerns are elsewhere…and with rumors of them offering contract to Lowe, on top of the one that they offered to C.C., it seems their top priority isn’t Teix like it is our’s.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 19, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

With Mussina retiring

It makes it even more likely that the Yankees concentrate their resources on starting pitching.

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by johnnyangel101 on Nov 20, 2008 7:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I had an idea about the Teixeira deal, actually

Give him some options, like this:

4 years, $110 million
5 years, $125 million
6 years, $140 million
7 years, $150 million

and so on.

If he takes the shorter, more per year deal he can cash in again at age 33 and the Halos don’t pay premium for his decline years.

If he takes the longer, less per year deal he is set for the majority of his career and the Halos pay a little less for his decline…

With Boras as his agent, thinking outside the box might be helpful..

Anyway, just a thought.

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by jimmuscomp on Nov 19, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

i could see the 7/$150MM deal

with an 8th year option.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 19, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that the 4 year $110 offer

is great. He would have a chance to get another $140 million dollar deal from ages 33-40.

Also, I’d talk about clauses like – if the team finishes below .500 he can opt out – stuff that shows that he will be on a winner if he stays here. If it doesn’t work out – he can opt out and go anywhere.

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by jimmuscomp on Nov 19, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I like the below .500 idea.

Are there any players in baseball that have that option already?

I guess only a handful of teams can realistically expect to be above .500 every year. This is a golden age for the Angels! Lovin it!

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by Rally Manatee on Nov 19, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A very fair starting point...

but Boras isn’t concerned about ‘fairness.’ He wants $$$. Even if Tex liked this type of contract setup, he’s likely to get a similar offer from the Nats, Orioles, Sox (though this will probably be higher than the rest).

Also, the more I read regarding Tex and what he’s interested in, it seems very clear he wants to play near home (MD), even for a slight discount, unless he gets a record setting contract for 7-10 years.

by mgerman23 on Nov 20, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Someone please refresh my memory...

Does California law limit the amount of years in contracts like this? I seem to recall a 7-year max. Thanks.

The '56 LA Angels (PCL) cap logo...a classic.

by MurrietaMick on Nov 19, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Personal Services Contracts are limited to 5 years

This is why the seasons past that # are “Player Options” – ones of course that the player never opts out of.

by Rev Halofan on Nov 19, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I just wish someone would make a move.

It’s like the Free Agent Cold War. I keep waiting for someone to drop a bomb. Last year, the Ninja attacked Thanksgiving weekend. You think he’ll do that again, or does he never use the same strategy twice? His base of operations was the Del Taco. Should we stake it out and watch for him and/or players, or will he choose the T.G.I.Friday’s at the Block this year to throw us off?

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by Rally Manatee on Nov 19, 2008 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i've got my eyes on vans skatepark...

by Of Angels and Angles on Nov 19, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The Ninja

Signing contracts and busting smith grinds.

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by Rally Manatee on Nov 20, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

AWESOME

by Higz on Nov 20, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Tex

I am fearful that we are putting all of our eggs in one basket, similar to our pursuit of Paul Konerko. We really don’t need much to get over the edge.

Our number one priority should be to get Tex. If we do that I am happy with the team with no additional changes to our every day lineup. I would like to see us add another arm in the bullpen – Brian Fuentes would be perfect.

Other obvious alternatives would be to go after Manny or Sabathia.

Consider this though… when the Yankees were dominant they had a more balanced lineup that could score runs multiple ways. 7 or more guys with 20+ homeruns, speed, strong gap hitters, and overall offensive versatility.

Here is another idea for our Halos

Adam Dunn to play LF, replaces Garrett’s bat and then some. Gives us some OBP.
Joe Crede for 3B. Frees Figgy up for trade or to roam again (2B, 3B, OF)
Brad Penny – an incentive based deal and would be worth a risk as a 5th starter
Brian Fuentes or Brandon Lyon to add to the pen.
Sign a lefty for the pen – Oliver?

We would have Napoli – C, Morales – 1B, Kendrick – 2B, Crede – 3B, Aybar – SS, Dunn – LF, Hunter – CF, Vlad – RF/DH, Figgins OF/DH

Lineup:

1. Figgins
2. Kendrick
3. Vlad
4. Dunn
5. Hunter
6. Morales
7. Crede
8. Napoli
9. Aybar

Rotation – Lackey, Saunders, Santana, Weaver, and Penny

If Escobar is healthy we send him back to the pen.. possibly to close if Arredondo is not ready.

Just some thoughts… we don’t need to only focus on the huge names.

Light up the Freakin Halo!

by marshgr on Nov 19, 2008 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

?

i was wondering if you ever have been in Credit Card debt? lol, what do u see as the final budget?

by HALO_86 on Nov 19, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd be wary of Crede

rather than that, I’d let Wood take over that and let Figgy roam.
i do, however, share your sentiments for Adam Dunn. He will come fairly cheap ($10-12MM) and is a solid middle of the order bat.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 19, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dunn

you think Dunn will come that cheap? that sounds really low. i’m pretty sure the Reds could have afforded that.

by HALO_86 on Nov 19, 2008 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

everything that i've read

suggests that he’d sign for somewhere around that.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 19, 2008 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Boras takes his time

No way U-Haul signs until January, unless he is THAT concerned about the possible tax increase.

We should definitely kick the tires on Dunn. He would balance out the offense nicely.

P.S. We should let the overpriced FA pitchers go elsewhere. Take a chance on a 1 year deal for an old dude maybe.

by elricsi on Nov 19, 2008 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Big difference between Konerko and Teixeira

Is that Teixeira is a near-HOF talent; Konerko ain’t within miles of that noise. Also, when we were (inexplicably) on the verge of paying Konerko 20 times as much as Kotchman to produce basically the same offense (and worse defense), we had, well, Casey Kotchman. Right now we have Kendry Morales, who is not as good a project, and who in any case will fill a starting slot at DH/corner OF next year.

We obsess about Teix because he’s the right player at the right position at the right time, and we have a decent shot at getting him. This offense needs an anchor, what with the decline of Vlad & our 30something outfield, and he’ll provide much-needed cover for the young infield bats to develop.

by mattwelch on Nov 19, 2008 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Konerko

what are you talking about. i’m glad the Angels didn’t sign Konerko to that contract in ‘05 but to say Kotch was anything close to Konerko. are you kidding??? Kotch isn’t close to what Konerko is. i don’t think when its over Kotch will have numbers close to Konerko. only think Kotch has on defense is better range. other than that Konerko is good defensive 1B.

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Halo...

You must be joking, right?

Kotchman had just put up the following numbers in 1/2 a season in 2005…

.352 OBP w/ a .484 SLG. That was produced as a 22 year old. His minor league numbers were through the roof. There was no reason to think that Kotchman wouldn’t develop into a .380/.500 talent as early as 2006. None, whatsoever, and he was slated to make less than $500,000 per year for the next few years.

Here is what Konerko did in 2005…

.375 OBP and .534 SLG. That was produced as a 29 year old. There was no reason to think that Konerko would be anything more than that line ever again, and it was a good bet that over the next 5 years he would get much worse. Similarly, he would be making $12 million per year to put up numbers maybe 10% better than Kotchman from an offensive standpoint and much worse from a defensive standpoint. So, Matt’s point stands.

Konerko + $12 million per year is and was worse than Kotchman. No questions asked.

No one could foresee Casey contracting mono and losing all of 2006. And, Casey came back in 2007 and out-produced Konerko.

Casey hit .372/.467 to Konerko’s .350/.490. Casey had a better OPS+ and played much better defense while he made 1/20th the salary of Konerko.

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by jimmuscomp on Nov 20, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

wait

“.375 OBP and .534 SLG. That was produced as a 29 year old. There was no reason to think that Konerko would be anything more than that line ever again,” . But he did the following yr while Kotch was hurt in 06.
so with that type of logic its like saying we shouldn’t have traded for Teix becuase Kotch gives you more bang for your buck. thats stupid. your going to take Kotch over Konerko because he makes less and produces less but you think he would someday live up to his minor league potential. OPS was about the same in 07 but you know what Konerko gets paid to drive in runs. Kotch doesn’t come close to that.

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So, you'd be OK with...

paying Konerko $24 million this year and next for production like Kotchman in 2008 (a down year)?

Konerko played well in 2006 while Casey was hurt, but was worse than Casey in 2007. Konerko and Casey stunk in 2008 – Konerko was better, but was he $11.5 million better?

Also, remember if the Halos had Konerko they wouldn’t have traded for Teixeira, so there is that too.

Not signing Konerko was a smart, smart move, even if you are unable to realize it.

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by jimmuscomp on Nov 20, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Kotch

Kotch had a down yr in 08???how would you know?basing it off of 07? his only other healthy yr. maybe 08 is the true Kotch. Konerko if i remember was hurt throughout the yr in 08 thus his down numbers. 07 Konerko had a better yr. he’s paid for his power not just OPS. if we had Konerko why wouldn’t we have traded for Teix. Konerko was hurt this yr, isn’t that why the Whitesox traded for Griffey? you can just move Konerko to DH. anyways you guys seem to think Teix made this huge diff? you guys just keep bringing up the Stats but bottom line is we lost in the ALDS 3-1. Wow if we didn’t have Teix maybe we would have gotten swept. who knows. maybe Kotch would have been better for us in 08. to give a guy 25M/yr, 125% more then what he recieved in 08. what is he going to help us win 2 games in the playoffs?

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So we should blame the guy who was outstanding in the playoffs because he alone didn't carry the team to victory?

by snowhor on Nov 20, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

blaming

no blaming here. its end results that count. he wasn’t the missing piece. so why throw 1/5 team money at him. i would definitely rather have Manny for that type of money. he’s a proven winner.

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Obviously there's a point where his cost may outweigh his value, but there's a better way to make that point than to shit on his awesome post-season performance.

by snowhor on Nov 20, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

WOW

So let me get this straight.

You think we shouldn’t get Teixeira, because he wouldn’t help our team win in the playoffs.

Yet you want Konerko????

Head asplode.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 20, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

no

read the thread. i was just defending Konerko.

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, ok

Just seemed odd that you would sing Konerko’s praises while bashing Teixeria.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 20, 2008 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Konerko

i’m only defending Konerko, i’ve never said i wanted him on this team. back in 05 when we lost to the ChiSox and we had no offense i believe he was the only power hitter on the FA market. i’m pretty sure we all wanted him on this team. he ended up staying with the Sox but we knew we needed a Bat he was the answer that off-season but it didn’t workout.

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No...

I didn’t want Konerko on this team. Not for a second.

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by jimmuscomp on Nov 20, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I felt the same way at the time and obviously still today.

by snowhor on Nov 20, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

so

then what was the answer for the big bat we needed after 05? if not Konerko.

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So basically you're saying

I’m ok with everything as it is, but I want to change everything.

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by Rally Manatee on Nov 20, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My guess; Tex signs with the Red Sox: 8-year deal for $180 million

Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!

by Fan Since 1981 on Nov 19, 2008 7:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

They've got a logjam of fan-favorites at first/third

I don’t see it happening.

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by Carl Johnson on Nov 19, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"Fan Favorites"

of boston just mean they can say youk or lowell. 10 bucks say most red sox “Fans” have any idea how the red sox got lowell (trade with the marlins with beckett for hanley ramirez and others)

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Nov 19, 2008 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No, they really like these two in particular.

Knowing or not knowing where their players came from doesn’t make them like Mike or Kevin any less. One’s a homegrown asshole with a dumb beard and dumber batting stance, and one’s their 2007 World Series MVP. Smart fans want to move Lowell, but he’s not really super-attractive to other teams coming off his injuries last season.

They might go after Tex, but I don’t think they make the same effort. They don’t need him the way they need to lock up Bay or find some starting pitching. They made a good trade with the Royals for a really solid relief arm today, but I think they’re going to try and grab one of the CC/Lowe/AJ triumvirate.

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by Carl Johnson on Nov 19, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And Lowell was a throw in

by Ajax on Nov 20, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They could follow by trading Lowell for Bengie Molina.

My money’s on Boston, too, unless the Orioles decide to outbid everyone by $30 million like Sabean did w/ Zito.

by Sam Miller OCR on Nov 20, 2008 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

8 year deal

Remember everyone, he wants his family to stay in one place for a long time. He was serious about that 10 years. he won’t get 10 but i’m pretty sure he will get 8.

by CaptainCarlos on Nov 19, 2008 11:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

That 10 years meant nothing

He was asked “Would you like 10 years on your next contract?” and responded affirmatively, because who wouldn’t?.

Kind of like if someone asked me “Would you like to win the lottery tomorrow and get to do absolutely anything you wanted for the rest of your life?”—Obviously I’d say yes. Does that mean that’s what I’m realistically going for at the moment? Of course not.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 20, 2008 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Boston Globe . . .

expects the Red Sox to break the bank to sign Teixeira . . .

’Here’s a prediction: By the time this is over, win or lose, the Red Sox effectively will have made Mark Teixeira the largest contract offer in the history of your storied franchise.

‘Preposterous, you say? Clearly, you have not been paying attention. Since the Red Sox changed ownership, management, and philosophies early in 2002, the new owners and operators of the Red Sox have stopped at virtually nothing to acquire those things they have coveted most. When the best of the rest were bidding $35 million-$40 million to acquire the rights to Daisuke Matsuzaka, the Red Sox bid $51.11 million. When the rest of the world wondered why J.D. Drew opted out of his contract in Los Angeles, the Red Sox dropped $70 million in Drew’s lap. And knowing what we know now, nothing might have been more aggressive than the $36 million the Sox paid for Julio Lugo . . . .’

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2008/11/expect_sox_to_break_bank_for_t.html

by G Abbes on Nov 20, 2008 5:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Massarotti's a dumbass.

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by Carl Johnson on Nov 20, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Chowds

The Sox will be in it just to make sure that one of their 2 big rivals spends way too much.

The Sawx hate long term deals, so if someone ponies up the 8th year, it won’t be Boston. Also, they are not big on no trade clauses either.

by elricsi on Nov 20, 2008 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Tex to Red Sawx is worst case scenario

It would be tough to see Tex in a Red Sox uniform knowing what a great player he was for the Halos.

If I’m Arte, no way do I let that happen, especially considering how the Sox have gotten over on the Halos recently.

by Ajax on Nov 20, 2008 9:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

let him go

this isn’t the NY v Boston. to outbid a team just so that team doesn’t get a player cmon. i’ve said before he ain’t worth it.

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He is absolutely worth it

Tex was the Halos’ offensive MVP for the second half. His defense is GG caliber.

Where is that offense and defense going to come from if he signs elsewhere?

by Ajax on Nov 20, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

honestly

it doesn’t matter. i believe in ownership & management. i have faith in what there doing. the team will figure it out. they were winning without him in the 1st half of the season. yeah he gave us breathing room with his bat but we still lost. how is he worth it? what is he worth? if its 20M/yr then great. if above that then let him be a east coast hero.

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Considering that we may lose Anderson and Rivera

and we’ve already lost Kotchman, I think Teixiera matters big time. A+R+K = 39 HR combined last year (41 if you count the 2 Kotchman hit for Atlanta). Tex had 33 between the Braves and Angels. He almost makes up for the 3 of them in power! I say we give him whatever he wants.

Have you already forgotten the media’s reaction when the Angels got Tex? We immdeiately became the most feared team in baseball. We had 2 incredible hitters surrounded by a host of good hitters. The sad part was, it still wasn’t enough to beat B*ston. And now you’re saying, let Tex go to B*ston and it won’t matter?

Yes, we were winning in the 1st half without him. Who cares? Does that mean we would have done better in the playoffs without him? It’s how you finish the race that matters. Our front office finally made a huge move as a final push toward the playoffs. They let a fan favorite go in Kotchman, but I too had faith in them. However, letting Tex go now would be 2 steps back. No FA other than Baggage Ramirez can have as much impact as Tex, and a block buster trade will strengthen us in one area, but weaken us in others.

Bottom line: if we don’t sign Tex, we’ll once again be whining for the elusive big-bat all year, maybe even for years to come.

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by Rally Manatee on Nov 20, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

FA

theres always going to be big bats on the market. every yr theres a big bat waiting to be signed or traded all the time.like you said he wasn’t enough to beat the Redsox. so he wasn’t the answer. everyone said we were 1 bat away.
-WS aren’t won on paper. its won out on the field. of course talent helps but to sit here and say he’s our savior. thats joke. i can honestly sit here and say i would rather have Manny for the next 3 yrs over Teix. at least he’s proven he’s an impact in the lineup and with end results.

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you'll find a lot of people who discard the notion that we were one bit bat away.

The fact is we are one hitting philosophy away. We need more hitters in the mold of Tex and less in the mold of GA. This organization needs to begin valuing OBP & SLG over BA (and appears to have already begun based on our interest in Tex).

Letting Tex go is a step backward.

by snowhor on Nov 20, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ALDS

so did you only think we had a chance against the Redsox because you were an Angel fan? i seriously thought we were going to beat the Redsox especially because we got that bat that i always thought was missing and they weren’t 100%.

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought we had a good shot, but they'd be tough with their offense compared to ours.

I figured the series would go 5 games and didn’t want to predict who would win.

Pitching wise, I thought we were slightly better. But, hitting wise, we were definitely a step behind. Their lineup is much better at getting on base than we were. And getting on base frequently creates more scoring opportunities, which is why they were able to score significanlty more runs during the season than we did. Our swing at every pitch mentality leads to giving away too many outs.

It would have been nice to see what Tex’s 1.017 OPS and Vlad’s 1.112 OPS would have produced had maybe GA, Aybar and to a lesser extent Figgy had done a better job getting on base in front of them.

by snowhor on Nov 20, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Teix

would you be mad if the Angels didn’t match whatever the Nats, Orioles, Redsox offer? wouldn’t they have to outbid them anyways? would you be mad if the Angels didn’t outbid the best offer?

by HALO_86 on Nov 20, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't be mad

If making the highest offer would mean handing over the keys to the franchise to Tex, as would have been the case had we outbid the Cubs for Alfonso Soriano two years ago.

But if we could outbid and grab Tex without breaking the bank, and didn’t, I wouldn’t be happy.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 20, 2008 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't judge that until I know what we offer and what he ends up accepting.

In the meantime, I’ll just focus on being angry that we’ve lost out on the signing the biggest impact bat since Vlad. I felt relief that Konerko and Soriano chose other offers. I’ll have a hard time feeling that way about Tex doing the same.

by snowhor on Nov 20, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

your right

i’m glad Konerko and Soriano chose differnt teams. i’ll admit that i wanted Konerko back in 05 only because that was the only power/productive bat on the market. he seemed perfect for the Angels back then. especially when we couldn’t hit worth shit against the Whitesox ALCS. i never really liked Soriano, i thouoght he would have been a bad fit with the Angels. isn’t the Teix situation going to end up just like A-Rod when he chose TEX with that 10yr deal. i think the NAT or BAL is going to go huge on him. if not he will be a Redsox.

by HALO_86 on Nov 22, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Tex is that much a a difference maker.

by Ajax on Nov 21, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

diff maker

your sayin what by that? he’ll help improve the total offensive stat line? or he will help us win the WS?

by HALO_86 on Nov 22, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude, seriously

For the last time: No one player is going to singlehandedly win the WS for us. You love to point to Manny as a counter, but you saw how much good his production did the Dodgers in the NLCS after carrying them through the last part of the season and then through the NLDS.

If a team doesn’t play and produce like a team, it doesn’t matter how well individual players play if it doesn’t mesh together.

Similarly, if you just say f**k it, that guy’s not going to help, and replace all your potentially great players with mediocre ones (which is what your philosophy would have the Angels do), then the team has no chance of winning a playoff series, let alone even getting there.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 22, 2008 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

WS

forget about the WS. lets just talk about how we failed in the ALDS. we lost with Teix, right? i’ve never blamed Teix for the team losing. just because i think he isn’t worth the money doesn’t mean i blame him for the lost. its like you guys keep pointing out the fact that he did his job and everyone else failed. the team failed, even Teix. i don’t care about the Stat line. this isn’t Golf, its a team sport. so signing him to that monster contract that he’s going to get isn’t going to solve the problem of getting over. you guys are saying we have to sign him regardless because of the big fear of not having him around.

no the diff between what Manny did and Teix did is completely dff point from my perspective. when Manny got traded to the Dodgers, they were in 2nd place, and going nowhere. after they got Manny he impacted the whole lineup. the finished strong into the playoffs and got to the NLCS. no one thought that would happen even when they got Manny. Thats the impact i’m talkin about. now with Teix, he wasn’t brought here to help us get into the playoffs. he was brought here to get us over, especially against the Redsox. that didn’t happen. thats all i’m saying with Manny and Teix. Manny did what i wish Teix would have done. if we beat the Redsox and lost to the Rays i would be with you guys and prayin we outbid whoever for Teix, but i’m not because we didn’t do any better with or without him.

thats not my philosophy. it would be nice to have the highest paid players with best Stats at every position. but this isn’t fantasy baseball. it takes a team to win. WS is won by the best team period. not what team looks the best on paper. so yeah like i said before if we sign Teix great. i’m not going to stop liking the Angels, i support them as long as their trying. this is just a debate before the potential signing. i’m still going to be an Angel fan regardless.

by HALO_86 on Nov 23, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I stil have a hard time believing

That you honestly think a player with extremely high OBP, tons of power, a fantastic glove, and great contact is somehow not worth our time.

You need real players to make a team. I’m not advocating OMG let’s go trade for Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera, then get David Wright and Manny, and Dunn, and then sign CC and make more trades for Peavy, and then let’s get Russell Martin!!!!!!

But when you have the opportunity to get a player like Teix, who will play his heart out, add wins, and significantly improve your chances of doing well in the playoffs, you do it.

Also, let’s put this other argument about “wah, he didn’t win the ALDS for us” to bed: correlation does not equal causation!

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 23, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

alright

lets make this straight. i never said “he” failed to help us win. i said “we” as in team. but if the end results are the same then whats the point. how does he significantly improve us having a better chance of doing well int he playoffs? again if he was never on the team and we were pursuing him as a FA then yeah thats an argument we can all make. we had him this yr. with him WE didn’t get past the Redsox.

by HALO_86 on Nov 23, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The key thing your argument misses is that we would be even worse off without him.

Yes, we failed as a team and we need some team improvement. The first step is not to discard our best player, but to discard our worst players.

by snowhor on Nov 23, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe?

we don’t know if were going to be worse off. which players would you discard? lets say Teix re-signs with us.

1B-Teix, 2B-Hk, 3B-Wood, SS-Aybar, C-Nap, LF-Fig, CF-Torii, RF-Vlad, DH-Morales. where is the improvement? its basically the same team with 2 rooks in there.

we were good without him right? you guys act like we were the Dodgers before Teix arrived. i have faith in our guys. that doesn’t mean if we don’t sign Teix i want to go into the 09 without another proven bat or even 2. with the money your going to spend on Teix you can get 2 quality players instead to get us more depth and overall stronger.

by HALO_86 on Nov 23, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Um

“Hi. This is the 2006 season, as well as any number of similar prior Angel seasons. Take a nice, long look at us, then try making your argument again.”

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 23, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

06

so what were the Angels suppose to do after the 05 season? outbid the Cubs for Soriano? what would your solution have been going into 06?

by HALO_86 on Nov 23, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

08 season

let me get this straight. you think if we don’t have Teix we’re going to end up like the 06 team that missed the playoffs? the team that had all those injuries.(yeah i know part of the game) like i said before, the Angels were winning without Teix during the first half. he didn’t bring a higher winning % to the team. it was basically the same.

by HALO_86 on Nov 23, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

NO

But 2009 has a fantastic potential to turn out that way. After ‘05, obviously, there wasn’t much we could do aside from apparently making an attempt at Manny (Soriano and Aramis Ramirez were after 2006, not before). Due to the make-up of our team, we wound up with a number of under-performers and rookies who weren’t ready to make big contributions.

If the Halos do nothing this offseason—don’t get me wrong, it doesn’t look like they will—we’re going to wind up in the same position next year as we did then: with a bunch of unprepared guys combined with other guys in their decline.

If you can take steps to avoid that, you do it.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 23, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ok

so lets say Teix is not an Angel, we know the Angels are going to do something. Manny or sign CC(trade a younger arm as a centerpiece for a Big Bat) something like that. so were going to get at least 1 Bat now or later in the season.

Morales 1B, Wood3B, ? @DH are going to be the only unproven bats in the lineup right? 1 of those positions are going to be filled with some vet and move around the other pieces. everyone else is proven at what they can do when healthy. obviously i’m more optimistic when it comes to the younger bats then you are. thats cool i understand your point. i do. HK, Aybar, Figgins, Nap, are all young but have proven they can play at this level. Hunter, Guerrero are going to be fine.

i just think with deeper SP your options when it comes to trades are easier to do then without depth at SP.

by HALO_86 on Nov 23, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I have faith in our young guys, too.

If Tex isn’t back and Morales is our 1B, I’d expect Morales to perform along the lines of what Kotch gave us.

That leaves the LF/DH spot as the place where we would have to improve production. Free agent-wise all I really see is Manny or Dunn that would provide the lost production of Tex. And I don’t know how much cheaper they’d be than Tex. Maybe there’s someone on the trading block who would fit in that role. Tex still looks like the easiest solution.

As for the youth movement, I’d like to see Wood be given SS from opening day (I don’t have much faith in Aybar – all I see is a non-patient singles hitter that perfectly symbolizes the wrong type of hitter this team loves). Also, I wouldn’t mind S-Rod being thrown in the mix.

by snowhor on Nov 23, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I do have faith in the young guys

But I also see Tex as the obvious and obtainable upgrade. If Tex doesn’t get signed, Kendry goes to first and Vlad is forced to play RF. We’ve seen the past few years what effect that has on what would at that point once again be our lone big bat—and we don’t know whether or not that knee surgery will significantly help.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 23, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah your right

about Teix. but if it was soo easy then why hasn’t it gotten done? obviously the simple answer is Boras. he wants the most $$$. i’d be shocked if he turns down the most per/yr. Boras is a great agent because he gets his players what they want. Teix wants that fat contract. i just hope its not the Angels breaking the bank on a record contract. i’ve said it before no 1 player is worth all that money. i don’t care about stat lines to justify a contract. it will always take a strong team to win the WS. just look at the WS winners in the past 10yrs or even 20 yrs. it hasn’t always been with a a team with the top 5 payrolls.

by HALO_86 on Nov 24, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, and

“with the money your going to spend on Teix you can get 2 quality players instead to get us more depth and overall stronger”

Buzzie “Two 8-7 pitchers are just as good as Nolan Ryan” Bavasi would just love you, wouldn’t he?

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 23, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs

look

you can interpret what i mean by “quality” the way you want. thats fine. if you feel like quality in your eyes is 2 avg/.500 pitchers for a top shelf pitcher is your def for “quality”. thats your thing.

by HALO_86 on Nov 24, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You didn't read the comment

You just said that one Teix is worth two average players.

I replied that that sounds an awful lot like the way Buzzie Bavasi justified getting rid of Nolan Ryan.

How does that mean I consider two .500 pitchers quality?

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 24, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

where?

i’m pretty sure i never said 2 Avg players are worth Teix. if i did then show me so i can amend it.

by HALO_86 on Nov 25, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of Figgy...

as much as I love this guy, I think it’s time for him to go. He consistantly sucks when we need him the most….the playoffs!!!

This guy is replaceable and has to go.
Howie, well if this guy can’t stay healthy for a full season, I think this should be his last with the Halos.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 25, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bottom line: Angels need to improve this lineup

Even if they fail to sign Tex, the Angels need to add hitters. As things stand now the Angels have holes at 1B, LF and DH. Don’t want to end up like the craptastic A’s who won the Triple Crown of suck in 2008; LAST in runs scored, LAST in OBP and LAST in SLG.

Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!

by Fan Since 1981 on Nov 20, 2008 6:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Saw this on prosportsdaily.com - comments section

“Watching the Miami GT game Teixiera talked to Erin Andrews of ESPN…
in that interview he said he wants to go where he can win whether that be the east coast or anaheim. He didnt rule out the west coast but only mentioned anaheim. He also pointed out that by christmas he’d like to know where he’ll be.”

by matt92130 on Nov 20, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

So....

…that’d be LA, B****n or NY then.

Can’t see Baltimore or Washington coming into play under those circumstances.

I see red people

by The Limey on Nov 21, 2008 1:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I received a text about this today

I heard he was with Varitek another Boras client (i think), but probably means nothing since they both attended GT.

"i got 5ive on it"

by Funke5ive on Nov 21, 2008 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just read this, fear swept over me

Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald says the Red Sox burn, lust for, and love Teixeira. Silverman says Tex should end up with a salary of at least $20MM and a term of at least six years. Also, Silverman talked to one source who suggested the Yankees’ acquisition of Nick Swisher “could be a prelude to another deal with a National League club.”

Realized it was “reported” by a Boston Herald guy, relaxed a bit.

Even still, I can’t help but feel the Red Sox are now building against us, instead of the yanks like in years past.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Nov 21, 2008 8:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

They have become everything they ever hated about NY

Their fans can now be hypocrits or complain to a mirror. I think its hilarious.

by Wytelitning on Nov 21, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

May as well just make this the Tex offseason update thread.

“It hasn’t happened yet, but the Angels plan to make a "very serious” offer to Mark Teixeira. A competing exec guessed eight years, $160MM. Remember, that’s a non-Angels exec making a guess. Heyman tosses a new team into the mix for Tex: the Mariners."

-mlbtraderumors.com

Looking around everyone also expects that the Red Sox are going to throw crazy money at Tex. The fans are now absolutely assured of getting him.

F that lineup if that happens.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Nov 21, 2008 11:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I hate

how Boston fans think they NEED Teixeira. I can understand why they would want him. Who wouldn’t want Tex? But they don’t NEED him. It’s absurd. They have Mike Lowell and Kevin Youkilis. Nothing is ever good enough for those assholes in Boston.

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 21, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Money

if you have the Money and its within the budget why not? if i knew that Arte was willing to spend 150M on payroll like the Sox then hell yeah i would be with 99% of guys in here. go outbid the Sox at any cost. unfortunately were not. so we put in our best offer and wait and move on.

by HALO_86 on Nov 22, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Tex apparently snubbed Bston.

I navigated to Fannation through the latest MLBTradeRumors.com report on Tex, and a fan there posted this:

“After the ‘98 draft, Teixeira held hard feelings against Boston, telling the Baltimore Sun in 1999: ’The Red Sox then spread the word I wasn’t interested in signing. That was unfair. I don’t think after what happened that I want any future involvement with the Red Sox.’”

Let’s hope that’s still true, and the green paper flow won’t entice him to go back on his word. If he wants nothing to do with Bston, and the Yankees are out of the running, I like our chances against the Nats, O’s, M’s, and Giants.

Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by Rally Manatee on Nov 21, 2008 3:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Only problem is ownership and teh front office have changed completely since then.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Nov 21, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So has our president and congress,

but radical Muslims still hate America. Ha.

Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by Rally Manatee on Nov 21, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point

I think Tex is more rational than extremists.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Nov 21, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Scott Boras, however, does.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Nov 21, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So who's going to start the Tex Sweepstakes?

I think the Nationals will be the first ones to officially make an offer. Not that Tex wants to really play there. But Boras wants all the leverage he can get.

by 10 27 02 on Nov 21, 2008 4:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The Nationals thinking they are in this makes me laugh

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Nov 21, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Smart

if the NAT or BAL make offers. they have nothing to lose. even if Teix doesn’t really consider them seriously. Boras sold A-Rod on Texas. if its a 10yr deal they can just convince Teix of how there going to keep improving and within 2-3 yrs we’ll be in contention. some BS like that

by HALO_86 on Nov 22, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

NAT and BAL can play the hometown angle also.

by snowhor on Nov 22, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yanks might still chase Teixeira . . .

From the N.Y. Post :

“According to a person familiar with the club’s thinking, if only one of the pitchers from the free agent pool of CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe sign with the YanksNew York Yankees , they are set to be aggressive with switch-hitting free agent first baseman Mark Teixeira . . . .”

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11222008/sports/yankees/yanks_could_still_chase_big_bats_140148.htm

by G Abbes on Nov 22, 2008 8:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Blah blah blah

They just want to drive up the price. And besides, it’s the NEW YORK POST. The reporters just report that crap to make themselves feel better because they cream their pants for Tex. They aren’t getting Tex unless they trade Nick Swisher.

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 22, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm more afraid of Boston getting Tex.

We must team together and do everything in our power to prevent a Mike Lowell trade!

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 23, 2008 1:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

And if Rotoworld thinks we can get Tex

for less than 8 years, then I think Rotoworld is full of ****.

8 years, 160 million is the ABSOLUTE minimum contract that Tex will sign, but it will probably take more.

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 24, 2008 11:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

What might really be going on with Tex

This guy is probably wrestling with the following: Married = WIFE.
WIFE = “If I’m not happy, nobody’s happy”
Reportedly: wife wants to live on East Coast to be close to family.
Tex, I am assuming wants to win a ring. That eliminates hometown O’s & Nats.
East Coast options for happier WIFE = Boston or NYY.

So will it take a boatload of cash to persuade Tex to convince the wife-e-pooh to move to Newport Beach, away from family & friends.

If Tex signs for the most money to play for one of the suckass hometown teams, then we know he is all about the cash or his wife wears the uniform at home.

If this is all just a ploy by Tex & BoarAss to use the wife/family angle, then he is trying to get the most he can out of Arte. Otherwise the obvious teams with the winning & geographic advantage are the BoSox & Yanks.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 25, 2008 1:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs