Mike Mussina to Retire. Hall of Famer?
by agermer on Nov 19, 2008 11:34 PM PST
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PrintMIke Mussina is hanging it up and the talk will start soon (if it hasn't already) about his hall of fame worthiness. 10 seasons is Baltimore and 8 in New York. Would this even be a discussion if he never wore pinstripes? Article here.
A Few of His Career Numbers:
270-153/3.68 ERA/2813 K's/785 BB/57 CG
His K's rank him 19th all-time. If I had a vote, I would probably give it to him.
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Mike Mussina
Absolutely is hall of fame material. He’d have my vote, no doubt.
moose
Go gettem next year, what have we got to lose--Frankie?
by AnaheimHalos61 on Nov 24, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
But only if they let Bert Blyleven in.
I can’t believe he wouldn’t want to stick around for a couple more seasons and flirt with the 300 win and 3,000 strikeout marks. He would at least get close if health permits.
White trashin' the 909
Nope.
If Blyleven isnt in, then neither is Moose.
Have you seen Jim Abbot's Glove Switch? Holy crap.
yes he is
which will help bert’s cause.
bert just got unlucky by being on several bad teams. moose has been on contenders most of his years.
Leaning towards no....
This is the Hall of Fame, right?…not the Hall of pretty good players who played for good teams and racked up decent stats. I may be short changing him a little there, but I am not happy when guys like Blyleven and Jack Morris are not in yet. Moose didn’t win 20 games in a season for his career until this last year? He never won a Cy Young award, lead the league in wins or ERA even ONCE, and was not especially stellar in the playoffs (7-9 career record). Morris, for comparison, also did not win a Cy Young, but led the league twice in wins, won over 20 games 3 times, and was a STUD in the playoffs (6-1 total, 3-0 in the world series, when it REALLY matters). I am probably cherry picking my stats a little here too, but I think I have valid points. Moose was a really good player, but not a GREAT player…and not Hall worthy. With that said, he will probably get in on the first ballot, just because he was a Yankee…:(
I'm on the fence about Mussina
However, Lil Timmy Kurkjian made a good case for Moose on Sportscenter. Mussina pitched his whole career in the AL and in the steroid era, and he probably would have collected 20 wins in 94 and 95.
He has been a model of consistency, and though he never won a Cy Young, the dude was in the running for pretty much all of the 90s.
But yeah, you gotta let Bert into the club before Mike Mussina.
Why
didn’t he win 20 in 94&95? did he get hurt?
wait
94-strike, what happened in 95? i know that was the yr the Angels choked, so there was no strike.
There wasn't
but the work stoppage in 1994 carried over to the early portion of the 1995 season.
He won 19 games in 1995, but the team only played 144 games. That’s 18 games…and as the ace of the staff, likely 4 starts…to win one game.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 20, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I would rather have
Jack Morris go in first, then Blyleven (although I am not totally convinced of Bert’s qualifications). Moose just doesn’t qualify in my opinion. This isn’t the Hall of Very Very good…it is reserved for Greatness! I don’t think Moose qualifies. And I think his record in the playoff tips the scales for me. Morris was THE MAN in the playoffs. With Moose, you never knew what you were going to get. For that alone, I think I would rather see Schilling (bloody sock and all) in the Hall before Moose, but that’s a whole different argument for a different day.
Huh?
I am not totally convinced of Bert’s qualifications
Really? 287 wins, 3,701 strikeouts (no. 5 all time), a 3.31ERA, 242 complete games (insane), and 60 shutouts- all for mostly shit teams. I just can’t see any argument against his induction.
White trashin' the 909
I was just saying
I was not TOTALLY convinced, that’s all. Do I think Bert SHOULD be in the Hall? I would have to lean towards yes. There is no doubt he is plagued by all the bad teams he played for (through no fault of his own.), and for him to still not be in the Hall even though he has some gaudy numbers leaves me scratching my head. Don’t worry though, I am a fan of Bert and hope one day to see him enshrined in Cooperstown.
Kurkjian
literally justified his opinion ONLY with stats related to Wins—the most overrated and irrelevant measure of a pitcher’ success. I found his argument very weak myself.
Wherever Red Sox Nation is, I just wish Bush would invade it.
Guess what?
Like it or not, wins get you Cy Young awards and Hall of Fame inductions.
Ask Tooti and Blair, it’s a fact of life.
Oh dear god
It means that there are always deserving people who get left out of things.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, a ton of wins will get you Cy Youngs and Hall of Fame inductions. Blyleven is one of the unfortunate FEW who has gotten the shaft.
Panther that
Jim Rome said a few years ago that you should have 1 chance to get into the Hall of Fame and that’s it.
If you looked at those numbers and the lack of individual achievement – and 1 shot for him to get in – would you vote for him?
Again, this is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Great, the Hall of Good or the Hall of I Played for a Good Team so I Should Get In.
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
Knuckle Curve Hall of Fame, Yes
Baseball Hall of Fame, no. Mussina was a very good player, but not a Hall of Famer.
If Moose wasn't so lazy...
Mike Mussina is, in a sense, the Garret Anderson of the Yankees. I was looking at his stats yesterday before I even knew he was retiring. I was considering FA pitchers the Angels could go after that might be cheaper than Garland, and I thought, “Wow, those are impressive numbers! How come I never hear the media praising Moose?” Especially being a Yankee, it is very odd how rarely I hear talk of him. Like GA used to be, Mussina is a model of consistency. Like GA, he has taken the back seat while teammates take the limelight. Like GA, a few more good seasons might qualify him for the hall. But like GA, he will probably be overlooked.
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
I say yay.......
the man was a great pitcher and a good ambassador for baseball…especially considering the steriod era and such……he’s deserves it.
Disappointment proves that expectations were mistaken.......ladies and gentlemen your 2008 Buffalo Bills.....
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 20, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions
I'm actually a fan of Mussina from his Oriole days
I would root for him to get in because he’s been so consistent for so many years on bad teams. But I think he suffers from pitching during an era that included pitching greats: Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, Roger Steroids, er I mean Clemens, Pedro Martinez etc…
Compared to them, he would never have a chance.
Pitchers in the Hall of Fame...
…should frighten the hell out of you.
They should be the ones where, when you play them, you think, ’we’re screwed, we’ll be lucky to get anything out of this game’.
Which is why I’d say no to Mussina (and possibly Bert B). No fear factor.
I see red people
Its a YES
Just because guys like Morris and Blyleven have gotten the shaft doesn’t mean you toss another one in the same hole!
Mussina was one of the better pitchers of his time. He pitched in the steroid era posting some great numbers. Among pitchers, he is 33rd all time in wins (270) like it or not that counts and always has. Mussina had 23 shutouts along with 57 complete games. He is 33rd all time in games started (535), 66th all time in innings pitched (3,562.2), 19th all time in strikeouts (2,813) and has a BB/9 IP (1.98) and a career .638 win-loss percentage, his K/BB is 3.5-1 with a lifetime WHIP of 1.19.
The guy retired 20+ straight batters on 3 different occasions (23,25,26) throwing three 1 hitters and a 2 hitter in his career. Some mention his 7-9 post season record, but the guy posted a 3.42 era throwing 139.2 inn striking out 145 and walking just 33 with a WHIP of 1.11in those 21 playoff games.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
moose is an idiot
It was either 1993 or 1994, at the all star game in baltimore and he was told, “unless we go to extra innings, you are not pitching”.
Late in the game with the score about 5 runs apart, he begins to warm up, sending the baltimore fans into a frenzy expecting to see their ‘boy’. Nobody told him to warm up. Nobody knows why he warmed up.
The game ends and the fans go nuts on the a.l. manager because he didn’t put moose in.
As I already wrote, moose is an idiot.
And to answer the question: NO, moose does not deserve to be in the h.o.f.
What an Idiot!
If it’s one thing that gets under my skin, it’s when a pitcher throws in the bullpen for no reason. The bullpen catcher and coach should have flat out refused him. The nerve of that dummy.
One time I saw Max Venable swing a bat when he wasn’t even in the lineup. Fucking moron. Nobody told him to swing. Nobody knows why he swung.
White trashin' the 909
WoW....Convincing Argument
You must be a Cito/Blue Jay lover. It was 1993 and one of the coaches was his manager Johnny Oates. The guy was just getting his bullpen session in. Guys do throw on off days.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
You don't have to have an IQ over 50 to know
how the fans are going to react when he warms up.
Completely un-necessary.
And the guy is a jerk.
Hmmm
Your qualifications for idiocy and/or jerkiness are exceptionally low. For example, Rickey Henderson informing Jon Olerud of a teammate with whom he had previously played, who wore a helmet similar to Olerud’s. That teammate’s name: Jon Olerud. That would be an example of an idiot. Roger Clemens throwing a fastball at Mike Piazza’s melon, then throwing a broken bat at him for a follow-up act would be an example of a jerk. Vince Coleman throwing an m-80 out of his car in a stadium parking lot is a good example of both. Warming up in a bullpen doesn’t even register on my scale.
Furthermore, I am not sure why I care enough to take time to respond. That’s another issue.
White trashin' the 909
ricky is funnny
Ricky being ricky, and not malicious. Automatic H.o.F’er.
roidboy #2 put up a lot of stats from the bottle and is a first class jerk as well. Lets see how many years it takes, if he does get in, to get into the H.o.F.
coleman discussion regarding entry to the h.o.f? Are you joking?
moosehead with good, NOT great stats, and disrespecting the world series manager ON PURPOSE in the 2nd biggest setting for the sport (world series being the biggest setting). H.o.F inductees are judged not only on stats but integrity and what they bring to the sport.
The guy is an idiot and doesn’t deserve a plaque.
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