Anderson Hires Boras Corp.
Garret Anderson has hired Scott Boras as his agent.
about 1 month ago
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I think this means goodbye, Garret...
…thanks for the memories…
by Rev Halofan on Nov 21, 2008 7:10 PM PST 0 recs

Go gettem next year, what have we got to lose--Frankie?
by AnaheimHalos61 on
Nov 21, 2008 7:16 PM PST
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He's going to land
a fat 3 year contract somewhere, though. I wonder which team will be stuck with him XD
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 21, 2008 7:33 PM PST 0 recs
Colorafo Rockies are my guess
All I want for Christmas is Mark Teixeira and Jake Peavy as Angels in 2009.
by deejayelleseven on
Nov 21, 2008 8:01 PM PST
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Colorado*
All I want for Christmas is Mark Teixeira and Jake Peavy as Angels in 2009.
by deejayelleseven on
Nov 21, 2008 8:02 PM PST
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Wow!
That is crazy. He’ll get a decent 3-year deal and not be worth 1/3 of it.
Glad he’ll be hitting an empty .285 somewhere else next year.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 21, 2008 7:44 PM PST 0 recs
wow
where did all the love go?
This guy is a class act and a lifetime Angel,
I think with all our complaining we sometimes forget taht these guys are human. They have emotions and feelings. I understand they get payed tons of money, but if you were told that you weren’t going to be the everyday guy that you feel you can be you’d be upset too and maybe want to look for a team that wants you. I know he is in the September of his career and all but is worthy of a hometown discount 2 year salary. he can still play LF 2/3 of the time and Dh the other, is a great clubhouse guy and is at the moment borderline HOF. I would love to see him retire an Angel and get the love he deserves… Plus his Avg, HR and RBI’s will probably be third on the team next year which is still very productive
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on Nov 21, 2008 7:48 PM PST 0 recs
I would be very sad
If he signs a 3-4 year deal with a place like Pittsburgh, instead of a 1-2 year deal with a place where he can make a real contribution and help win. Please don’t go the desperate route, Garret.
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on
Nov 21, 2008 7:50 PM PST
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What???
he can still play LF 2/3 of the time and Dh the other, is a great clubhouse guy and is at the moment borderline HOF
No offense, but that is one delirious comment. He doesn’t hit enough to play LF. Period. He was the 15th best LF’er (in terms of OPS) in baseball last year out of 17 guys that qualified for the batting title. If he doesn’t hit enough to play LF he CERTAINLY doesn’t hit enough to be a DH.
The statement about the HOF: I’ll chalk it up to early drinking on a Friday night. Garret will only get into Cooperstown the same way you and I will…
by buying a ticket.
Get over GA folks – he wasn’t THAT great to begin with – and he’s been pretty mediocre since 2003…
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Nov 21, 2008 8:02 PM PST
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If GA collects 632 more hits, there's really no denying him.
I see your point, and fully understand it, but unless you’re absolutely positive he can’t find a way to get 632 more hits, I wouldn’t go around making such claims. 3,000 hits is a guarantee. Like it or not, it’s that simple.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Nov 21, 2008 9:57 PM PST
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3,000 hits is a guarantee to the Hall...
not a guarantee for GA…just to be clear.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Nov 21, 2008 11:08 PM PST
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I get that...
but I’m not so sure that a low OBP corner OF’er with less that 350 HR’s is going to make the HOF in 2016 or so just because he got 3000 hits.
He would be a very weak choice for the Hall, 3000 hits or not. There are most likely more deserving players from GA’s peer group that won’t make the HOF – GA is a pipe dream, IMO.
Also, 632 more hits would be about 4+ years at his current rate of hits. It isn’t likely he gets enough playing time to warrant that…
Colorado might give him a chance because of the friendly hitting environment. But I wouldn’t bet on it…
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Nov 22, 2008 7:43 AM PST
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3,000 hits is the precedent...
Outside of those who marginalized themselves, EVERYBODY who gets 3,000 hits goes. EVERYONE who gets 300 wins, goes. The steroid era may have changed the notion that 500 HR automatically gets you there, but the first two will still get you there every time.
HOF voters, even those among the newer guard, are not likely to vote against anyone with 3,000 hits. 3,000 hits = first ballot. It’s really that simple at this point. And, don’t forget, if he gets enough time to reach 3,000 hits, his career doubles total will be huge (actually, it already is). 3,000 hits and 600 (or so) doubles would not be any kind of “pipe dream,” it would be absolutely first ballot material.
The only real leap is whether he gets to 3,000 hits, which would probably ensure his selection. If he retires with 3,000 hits AND 600 doubles, he’s in. Consider that nobody with 3,000 hits (with the exceptions of Rose and Palmeiro, who will never get in, and Biggio, who will be a first ballot pick) has failed to make the HOF. Similarly, nobody with 600 doubles (with the exception of Rose, Biggio and Bonds) has been excluded from the Hall.
Either 3,000 hits or 600 doubles will make him a nearly automatic selection. Were he to reach both, there is simply no way (regardless of his OBP or his low career HR total) that he isn’t a first ballot guy.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Nov 22, 2008 11:24 AM PST
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Agreed
You give a totally rational argument, not just a GA fan wishing.
Note that Bonds did not hit 3,000, but Aaron did. The steroids era does indeed change the prerequisite for HR, but not hits. If GA gets to 3K, he’s in the HOF, but I think that’s a big if. It will take at least 4 more full time seasons of at least the same level of performance he gave this year.
It pains me to think of him playing out his career somewhere else, or most likely being bounced around to a few teams. And it also pains me to think of his career ending just shy of 3,000 hits, and watching him slide off into obscurity for all of time. Yet, that would sadly be a more fitting end to his career, rather than the 80’s movie ending of the underdog finally getting the recognition he deserves after years of dedication going unnoticed.
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on
Nov 22, 2008 1:20 PM PST
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I actually think that
if GA gets to 3000 he will be the first guy with 3000 hits NOT to get into the HOF. He is just that marginal of a player.
He has a career OPS+ of 105. That is slightly above average.
He has the hits and doubles as decent counting stats, but nothing else going for him. Nothing.
His most similar players are all non-HOF guys (Garvey, D. Parker, Cecil Cooper)
Look at his Black Ink, Grey Ink, the HOF Monitor and HOF Standard on his BB-Ref Page if you get a chance…
Now, go to this link…
Take a look at other LF’ers in the HOF. GA would be much worse than all of them, including Lou Brock – who is universally mocked as a pretty awful pick for the HOF.
Seriously, 3000 hits or not, GA isn’t getting into Cooperstown. He just isn’t. Love him all you like – he isn’t even close to HOF worthiness.
Period.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Nov 22, 2008 3:15 PM PST
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I can see the veteran's committee now...
I’m sure a senile Joe Morgan is going to say, “I know he got 3,000 hits but his OPS isn’t what it should be, not to mention his black and grey ink.”
GA doesn’t stand a chance of making the Hall without 3,000 hits. But if he were to collect 3,000 hits, he probably would also be very close to 600 doubles. Even if we give you every benefit of the doubt (that somehow GA could put those raw numbers up and not be first ballot), or that the writers never elected GA to the Hall on subsequent ballots, he’d then become the darling of the veteran’s committee and he’d be a lock via that route.
I’ll acknowledge that GA probably doesn’t reach 3,000 hits or the Hall. But to say that GA could could collect 3,000 hits/550+ doubles and not get into Cooperstown is, officially, the most bizarre GA criticism one could hope to read or hear.
I could see debating whether a guy who reached 3,000 hits is or isn’t a first ballot HOF’er but you seem to be stating (with confidence ill-fitting the historical evidence to the contrary) that GA could be denied the Hall at all were he to achieve those numbers.
The majority of Baseball Writers (let’s remember, Rob Neyer doesn’t vote for the Hall of Fame) would free-pass those numbers without even thinking about it twice. Again, even if they didn’t, the next generation of veteran’s committee leadership would make it priority one.
It’s interesting to me the extent to which Angel fans go to deride GA. This line of reasoning now takes the cake. Congrats.
Funny, too, how you use his current black and grey ink to determine his worthiness for future consideration, as if his black and grey ink would not have changed substantially with the milestones that would go along with reaching 3,000 hits (and more than 500 doubles). For example, his numbers under these (not widely considered by baseball writers) metrics will increase significantly when he reaches 2,500 hits and 500 doubles, both of which are almost assured to happen this next season. If you’re going to spout the metrics, it seems that you may want to at least acknowledge these CRITICAL underpinnings. Or, I’m not sure, maybe spend some more time studying their bases.
3,000 hits is still hallowed, always will be. It would take something like a fundamental shifting of thought among the vast majority of baseball writers, in a very short time, for this dynamic to change in even the next ten years.
As for your Lou Brock reference, I guess that really depends on your universe. In the real baseball “universe,” for example, he’s neither mocked nor excluded from the Hall of Fame. Among the still small contingent of hyper-obsessed history revisionists, Lou Brock is considered to have substandard statistical achievment. Fortunately for baseball and its fans, though, Lou Brock (and his game-changing, revolutionary style of play) are enshrined in Cooperstown.
I’m still chuckling at the idea of a player (any player, seriously) finishing his career with 3,000 hits and near 600 doubles and not being a first ballot Hall of Famer. Now that’s an interesting “universe.”
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Nov 22, 2008 4:02 PM PST
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I'll keep this simple...
First of all, Black/Grey Ink measures how many times a player leads the league in a stat or appears in the top-10, nothing more.
Do you think GA will lead the league in anything over the next few years? Me either – so his Black Ink will remain unchanged. This Grey Ink could change a little – but not much. So that argument stands. You did nothing to make him seem more HOF worthy.
Secondly, the doubles and hits are his only chance. 600 doubles is a stretch, but 550 is reasonable. 3000 hits is also a stretch because I don’t see him getting enough AB’s for 4 years to have a chance, but it could happen.
If it does happen and he gets to 3000 hits – he is more likely to get into the HOF. But, it doesn’t make it right. He would still be the absolute worst OF’er in the Hall – by a wide margin.
With regard to Lou Brock: I agree Lou Brock is a decent HOF’er considering how he transformed the game with regards to the SB, but he is still a shadow of the player that other OF’ers are. In my, small HOF world, Brock doesn’t get in and GA doesn’t sniff the place.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Nov 22, 2008 8:52 PM PST
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Could lead the league in ABs ;-)
could lead the league in doubles (not likely though).
Wouldn’t take much, however, for GA to finish top 10 in singles, doubles, ABs and/or, with the right team, RBI. I know you’ve written him off, but that doesn’t mean he’s done. There could very well be a couple of good seasons to come. So, yes, black/grey ink could indeed change.
HOF monitor and standards will change with milestones.
3,000 hits = HOF. If he reaches it, he’s in. That is, and was, the point.
According to you, though, if he reaches it he’s the first person to ever reach it and not make the Hall. There’s simply no precedence for your assertion.
I was never arguing that he was Hall-worthy right now. I was only stating that if he gets to 3,000 hits (and the concomittant number of doubles) he’s a no-brainer. And I certainly stand by that.
As an aside, you could consider perhaps a more diplomatic means of engaging folks around here. Implying that people are stupid (“So, should we use Batting Average, Home Runs and RBI’s for our conversation so that you can follow along?”) or accusing them of limited faculties (“No offense, but that is one delirious comment.”) hardly engenders much in the way of respect. You accuse others of calling you names (“Sorry if I responded harshly to being called names, I tend to do that.”) but then immediately accuse, implicitly and directly, anyone that disagrees with you of “willfully ignoring all the work of the last 30+ years with regards to baseball stats.”
Considering that I don’t even need to leave this thread to find all of these quotes, it could just be time to get over yourself.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Nov 22, 2008 10:35 PM PST
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JIM YOU ARE BING SILLY
Your assumption is that HOF voters will vote like YOU would vote … history has shown that they do not vote with the criteria you are emphasizing.
If G.A. gets 3,000 hits he will be voted in even if his career OPS+ has fallen below 100. HOF voters look at counting stats and a hundred ranting posts by you will not change that concrete fact of life, regardless of the correctness of your position.
by Rev Halofan on
Nov 22, 2008 10:46 PM PST
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hof
3000 hits
.300 career hitter
350 hr
out of a clean guy in the steroids era sounds fairly appealing to me
by NoDakHalo on
Nov 25, 2008 9:08 AM PST
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Yes, that would be an HOF'er. Too bad it doesn't describe GA.
He’ll have a tough time reaching 3000 hits and there’s no way he even sniffs 350 HRs.
by snowhor on
Nov 25, 2008 11:36 AM PST
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why are people so obsessed
with hitting by position… this seems idiotic to me.
So if GA played second base with those numbers you’d be screaming for us to sign him because of hit hitting for a secondbaseman?
odd
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on
Nov 21, 2008 11:34 PM PST
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The same reason Diamonds are valuable.
Because they are rare. Decent hitting OF’s are a dime a dozen, whereas someone that can hit and play 2B, SS, or C are much more rare.
If you wouldn’t take Joe Mauer’s season over Magglio Ordonez’s season even though their OPS were very similar then I’d consider that idiotic.
by MH252525 on
Nov 22, 2008 7:47 AM PST
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I understand, maybe
I didnt do a good job of explaining myself. My fault.
I just meant to say that stats, while a good indicator of talent, is not the only indicator.
His very productive second halves always seem to come when we struggle and his calue is much higher. I agree he doesn’t walk enough, but this year he was able to stay healthy, provide decent offfense/defense and settled into the not full time OF position fine.
but point taken
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on
Nov 22, 2008 8:46 AM PST
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It matters because...
it helps to understand the actual value of a player as opposed to his peers. This really shouldn’t be that hard to grasp.
If PLAYER A hits .285/.350/.450 that’s pretty good.
But, if the other folks at his position in MLB hit for an average line of .285/.365/.480 then PLAYER A is below average and his organization has done a poor job finding and acquiring league average players.
Now, if the positional peers of PLAYER A hit for an average line of .272/.340/.420 then PLAYER A is a stud when compared to his peers and the organization has done a bang up job in acquiring or developing an above-average, All-Star caliber player at his position.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Nov 22, 2008 7:52 AM PST
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Hmmm
So hey Jim when did they start he random testing again?
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on
Nov 21, 2008 11:34 PM PST
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Interesting...
I doubt it, but I hadn’t even thought of it before now….
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Nov 22, 2008 7:53 AM PST
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Too cryptic for me...
Is there some insinuation here?
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on
Nov 22, 2008 1:24 PM PST
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Seems to be, huh?
It must be something not measured by OPS.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Nov 22, 2008 2:44 PM PST
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No,
I just found it interesting that he peaked in 2003 then fell off the cliff…
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Nov 22, 2008 8:57 PM PST
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Interesting
that he would play in fewer games in 2004 then he had since becoming a fixture in the Angels OF. GA would find himself on the DL for the first time in his career that same year with some mysterious hip problem.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on
Nov 23, 2008 1:09 PM PST
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Rheumatoid Arthritis.................
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on
Nov 24, 2008 11:19 AM PST
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Let me get this straight.
Players who go 8 years with 600+ AB’s per season before they start to show some wear, are we suspecting all of them of using steroids? Or just GA?
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on
Nov 24, 2008 6:47 PM PST
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OPS???
are you silly. You can find stats that say Vlad is an average RF should we get rid of him
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on
Nov 21, 2008 11:36 PM PST
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Egads...
So, should we use Batting Average, Home Runs and RBI’s for our conversation so that you can follow along?
Is Reagan still president where you live or are you willfully ignoring all the work of the last 30+ years with regards to baseball stats?
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Nov 22, 2008 7:58 AM PST
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listen Sabermetrics guy
I am not saying those are useless by any stretch, I am saying that saying goodbye and goodriddance to GA because of low OPS, but yet at the same time be so enamored with a guy like Juan rivera who has not proven himself over time.
All I was stating was that IMO GA is worth the 2 year deal. Someone above said that they wouldn’t want GA to DH, So you would rather have who from our bench step up and DH? K Mo will probably be playing 1b.
And PS you dont have to get insulting:
So, should we use Batting Average, Home Runs and RBI’s for our conversation so that you can follow along?
Some people can make a point without sarcasm or insult. Its called a discusion. You made a point about OPS … Fine good counter point., instead of explaining your thoughts further or leaving it at that you went another route.
I can tell you are an intelligent and well informed fan, you always come with lots of stats and well thought out opinions…. That being said you can still be a jerk
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on
Nov 22, 2008 8:42 AM PST
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Excuse me...
who called who silly and idiotic?
Sorry if I responded harshly to being called names, I tend to do that.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Nov 22, 2008 9:43 AM PST
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I don't know
I think Sabermetrics makes you sound pretty bad-ass. Like a beast master, or a Jedi.
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on
Nov 22, 2008 1:26 PM PST
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I chuckled...
BTW, I scoff at the idea that I am a sabermetrician. I know just enough about it to have an informed opinion – nothing more.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on
Nov 22, 2008 2:57 PM PST
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wondering
i’m lazy so i’m not going to look it up. did the Phillies have the best Stats? Rays? who had the best Stats this season? i think we get caught up too much with the Stats. its good to get into the Stats when its time for a contract but in terms of the team, the players aren’t robots. you can never measure the human element with a computer.
by HALO_86 on
Nov 22, 2008 10:21 AM PST
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my first reaction -
NO WAY! i guess this means he’s gone for sure.
he’ll get some stupid contract from somebody stupid enough to listen to Boras. i sincerely hope it’s not us.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Nov 21, 2008 8:16 PM PST 0 recs
I'd like to see the Boras PowerPoint on GA
In left field, for your Los Angeles Dodgers …….. introducing your new 3 year/$36 million man and your consolation gift for the loss of Manny Ramirez …….. GARRET ANDERSON!
You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?
by PieceOfAase on Nov 21, 2008 8:51 PM PST 0 recs
GA and Boras are being very shrewd...
Boras doesn’t take a guy like GA as a client unless he’s confident he can make a deal. Something’s in the works.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 21, 2008 9:54 PM PST 0 recs
good cop / bad cop
Good new is GA will get himself the biggest chunk of change possible to last him and his family for a long time.
Bad news is no way he comes back to the Angels now.
by elricsi on Nov 21, 2008 10:54 PM PST 0 recs
I was still holding onto a childish dream that he would return.
I grew up watching him. He’s got class coming out the yin yang (except for hiring the Boar’s ass).
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 21, 2008 11:27 PM PST 0 recs
Too lazy to negotiate for himself, then...
I see red people
by The Limey on Nov 22, 2008 9:20 AM PST 0 recs
Zing!
Can’t believe it took that long for someone to bust that out! But it wouldn’t be a true GA discussion without it.
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on
Nov 22, 2008 1:30 PM PST
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I hope he signs with the M's and we get Ibanez....
Thanks for the memories GA but signing with Boras I won’t believe a word you say when you say you wished things would have worked out with the Angels.
by MH252525 on Nov 22, 2008 9:41 AM PST 0 recs
??
If the option is GA or Ibanez, I’d go GA…
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on
Nov 22, 2008 1:08 PM PST
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Wow
The hatred so many Angel fans seem to have for GA amazes me. It’s one of the reasons I find myself spending less and less time around this site. So much hatred for a guy who has done so much for this franchise. Should be fun when Garret leaves to see who the haters go after next. Vlad? Hunter? Lackey?
by GA4Ever on Nov 22, 2008 10:13 AM PST 0 recs
agree
its totally sad. i think some of it comes from him hiring Boras but still its sad the Hate on GA. i don’t think we shoould re-sign GA but man he was a great Angel.
by HALO_86 on
Nov 22, 2008 10:18 AM PST
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I think that
part of it is that we were lead to believe he fired his agent to work out a deal with the Angels. Then he goes and hires Boras so that option is obviously not there. Maybe GA did try to work out a deal with Reagins and there was no interest. If that’s the case then fine, but otherwise I think Angels fans can be slightly dissappointed with his decision.
by MH252525 on
Nov 22, 2008 11:55 AM PST
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GA is merely the most recent example of how badly
this team is willing to shit on its outgoing veterans.
It started even before Buzzie Bavasi turned loose Nolan Ryan in favor of “two 8-7 pitchers” he could never quite seem to find. It continued when Don Baylor was sent packing. Rod Carew? Yeah, get lost. Brian Downing? Yeah, his career was supposed to be over too.
I always return to root for the team after this kind of crap, but I don’t soon forget it. It used to pain the hell out of me to watch Brian Downing DH, and Nolan Ryan start, for the (division rival) Texas Rangers YEARS after their careers were supposed to be over.
If Angel past is any indicator, GA will have a resurgent year for some other AL team and sting the Angels repeatedly (anyone remember Don Baylor’s home run in the ‘86 ALCS? It was overshadowed by Hendu’s, but it played a pivotal role and it came YEARS after the Angels sent him away thinking his career was almost over). Angel history seems to have this strange way of repeating itself.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 22, 2008 11:39 AM PST 2 recs
GA
was a great Angel. i don’t want him back. he takes up space where i feel we have to give 1 of the guys a chance. i don’t care if he has a resurgent yr. he probably will have one, if he does great. i think sometimes you need a change of scenery to revitalize your career. you can’t keep everyone forever. theres only 3 OF and 1DH spot. its not like he was tearing it up. sorry. i like him alot and wish him well, but its time to move on.
by HALO_86 on
Nov 22, 2008 11:57 AM PST
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OK...
So are they just supposed to sign these guys and play them for the rest of their careers regardless of how productive they are? I know stats aren’t everything, but they are a pretty good indicator of how much a guy will contribute to the team. How about bringing Tim Salmon back for his farewell tour? Didn’t seem like they were shitting on him. And what about Troy Percival’s one-day contract so he can retire an Angel? Lots of good that did. Garret wants to play everyday. The team feels that it can get better production then what he gave them last year. They’re making a decision that they feel is best for the team. Its not about disrespect. They have paid this guy handsomely to play here his whole career. He stayed in the starting lineup no matter how bad he was struggling. Now his contract is up. What more do they owe him? If he wanted to play here so bad, hed say “sign me for whatever you think is fair and I’ll play.” Of course that’d be silly for him to do. So its time to move on. Its easy to be sentimental when a player spent their whole career here. We will all have great memories of GA, and personally I’ll be rooting for him no matter where he plays next year. But to resign him for sentimental reasons and ignore his declining power numbers would be counter-productive. This is not about contructing a roster with a spread sheet. Its about common sense and looking at the history of the game, in particular the career arc of fading stars.
by dmhead on
Nov 22, 2008 12:46 PM PST
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Agreed. I'll bet you anything
Part of GA probably did want to say “pay me whatever, and I’ll stay here.” But part of him also feels like he has a number of good seasons left in him, and he wants to play full time. What would your decision be if you were him?
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on
Nov 22, 2008 1:36 PM PST
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Percival's actually another GREAT example.
He wanted to come back to the Angels, even after his one-day token contract, and pitch for the team. The team essentially said, “no thanks, you’re done, we like Justin Speier now.”
Of course, Percival is still pitching in the Big Leagues and, though injury-prone, has been VERY effective in his post-retirement efforts.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Nov 22, 2008 2:50 PM PST
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and you know this how?
Perhaps he did want to come back after his “retirement” but at the time, the team really had no place for him (and Speier was doing a bang-up job for us, thank you). And while he hasn’t been horrible since he came back, saying hes been VERY effective is a stretch. After a nice little run with St. Louis last year, this year with Tampa he had a 4.53 ERA with a 38/27 so/bb ratio. Gosh, sure wish it were him closing out games for us this past year…
by dmhead on
Nov 23, 2008 12:49 AM PST
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Fairly common knowledge, actually...
Percy’s first choice was Anaheim. And he was willing to come back as a setup man, not a closer. Pitching through injuries in ‘08 shows that time may have caught up to him. Still, and despite Speier’s “bang-up job” (that lasted, what, 20 games?), handling Percy differently two years ago very well may have led us to see him come on board as a pitching coach.
Notice, we don’t have great former Angels coming around as hitting and pitching coaches. We tend to go with the Mickey Hatchers and Mike Butchers of the world largely in part because of how the team has treated outgoing veterans. The notable exception, of course, was Rod Carew…perhaps the best hitting coach in Angel history. Didn’t the team fire him, though?
Sure seems like a trend to me.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on
Nov 23, 2008 8:39 AM PST
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Carew left to take of his sick daughter
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on
Nov 23, 2008 10:22 AM PST
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