Anderson Hires Boras Corp.
Garret Anderson has hired Scott Boras as his agent.
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I think this means goodbye, Garret...
…thanks for the memories…
by Rev Halofan on Nov 21, 2008 7:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Go gettem next year, what have we got to lose--Frankie?
by AnaheimHalos61 on Nov 21, 2008 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to land
a fat 3 year contract somewhere, though. I wonder which team will be stuck with him XD
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 21, 2008 7:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Colorafo Rockies are my guess
All I want for Christmas is Mark Teixeira and Jake Peavy as Angels in 2009.
by deejayelleseven on Nov 21, 2008 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Colorado*
All I want for Christmas is Mark Teixeira and Jake Peavy as Angels in 2009.
by deejayelleseven on Nov 21, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
That is crazy. He’ll get a decent 3-year deal and not be worth 1/3 of it.
Glad he’ll be hitting an empty .285 somewhere else next year.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 21, 2008 7:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wow
where did all the love go?
This guy is a class act and a lifetime Angel,
I think with all our complaining we sometimes forget taht these guys are human. They have emotions and feelings. I understand they get payed tons of money, but if you were told that you weren’t going to be the everyday guy that you feel you can be you’d be upset too and maybe want to look for a team that wants you. I know he is in the September of his career and all but is worthy of a hometown discount 2 year salary. he can still play LF 2/3 of the time and Dh the other, is a great clubhouse guy and is at the moment borderline HOF. I would love to see him retire an Angel and get the love he deserves… Plus his Avg, HR and RBI’s will probably be third on the team next year which is still very productive
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on Nov 21, 2008 7:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would be very sad
If he signs a 3-4 year deal with a place like Pittsburgh, instead of a 1-2 year deal with a place where he can make a real contribution and help win. Please don’t go the desperate route, Garret.
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Nov 21, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What???
he can still play LF 2/3 of the time and Dh the other, is a great clubhouse guy and is at the moment borderline HOF
No offense, but that is one delirious comment. He doesn’t hit enough to play LF. Period. He was the 15th best LF’er (in terms of OPS) in baseball last year out of 17 guys that qualified for the batting title. If he doesn’t hit enough to play LF he CERTAINLY doesn’t hit enough to be a DH.
The statement about the HOF: I’ll chalk it up to early drinking on a Friday night. Garret will only get into Cooperstown the same way you and I will…
by buying a ticket.
Get over GA folks – he wasn’t THAT great to begin with – and he’s been pretty mediocre since 2003…
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 21, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If GA collects 632 more hits, there's really no denying him.
I see your point, and fully understand it, but unless you’re absolutely positive he can’t find a way to get 632 more hits, I wouldn’t go around making such claims. 3,000 hits is a guarantee. Like it or not, it’s that simple.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 21, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3,000 hits is a guarantee to the Hall...
not a guarantee for GA…just to be clear.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 21, 2008 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get that...
but I’m not so sure that a low OBP corner OF’er with less that 350 HR’s is going to make the HOF in 2016 or so just because he got 3000 hits.
He would be a very weak choice for the Hall, 3000 hits or not. There are most likely more deserving players from GA’s peer group that won’t make the HOF – GA is a pipe dream, IMO.
Also, 632 more hits would be about 4+ years at his current rate of hits. It isn’t likely he gets enough playing time to warrant that…
Colorado might give him a chance because of the friendly hitting environment. But I wouldn’t bet on it…
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 22, 2008 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3,000 hits is the precedent...
Outside of those who marginalized themselves, EVERYBODY who gets 3,000 hits goes. EVERYONE who gets 300 wins, goes. The steroid era may have changed the notion that 500 HR automatically gets you there, but the first two will still get you there every time.
HOF voters, even those among the newer guard, are not likely to vote against anyone with 3,000 hits. 3,000 hits = first ballot. It’s really that simple at this point. And, don’t forget, if he gets enough time to reach 3,000 hits, his career doubles total will be huge (actually, it already is). 3,000 hits and 600 (or so) doubles would not be any kind of “pipe dream,” it would be absolutely first ballot material.
The only real leap is whether he gets to 3,000 hits, which would probably ensure his selection. If he retires with 3,000 hits AND 600 doubles, he’s in. Consider that nobody with 3,000 hits (with the exceptions of Rose and Palmeiro, who will never get in, and Biggio, who will be a first ballot pick) has failed to make the HOF. Similarly, nobody with 600 doubles (with the exception of Rose, Biggio and Bonds) has been excluded from the Hall.
Either 3,000 hits or 600 doubles will make him a nearly automatic selection. Were he to reach both, there is simply no way (regardless of his OBP or his low career HR total) that he isn’t a first ballot guy.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 22, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
You give a totally rational argument, not just a GA fan wishing.
Note that Bonds did not hit 3,000, but Aaron did. The steroids era does indeed change the prerequisite for HR, but not hits. If GA gets to 3K, he’s in the HOF, but I think that’s a big if. It will take at least 4 more full time seasons of at least the same level of performance he gave this year.
It pains me to think of him playing out his career somewhere else, or most likely being bounced around to a few teams. And it also pains me to think of his career ending just shy of 3,000 hits, and watching him slide off into obscurity for all of time. Yet, that would sadly be a more fitting end to his career, rather than the 80’s movie ending of the underdog finally getting the recognition he deserves after years of dedication going unnoticed.
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 22, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think that
if GA gets to 3000 he will be the first guy with 3000 hits NOT to get into the HOF. He is just that marginal of a player.
He has a career OPS+ of 105. That is slightly above average.
He has the hits and doubles as decent counting stats, but nothing else going for him. Nothing.
His most similar players are all non-HOF guys (Garvey, D. Parker, Cecil Cooper)
Look at his Black Ink, Grey Ink, the HOF Monitor and HOF Standard on his BB-Ref Page if you get a chance…
Now, go to this link…
Take a look at other LF’ers in the HOF. GA would be much worse than all of them, including Lou Brock – who is universally mocked as a pretty awful pick for the HOF.
Seriously, 3000 hits or not, GA isn’t getting into Cooperstown. He just isn’t. Love him all you like – he isn’t even close to HOF worthiness.
Period.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 22, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see the veteran's committee now...
I’m sure a senile Joe Morgan is going to say, “I know he got 3,000 hits but his OPS isn’t what it should be, not to mention his black and grey ink.”
GA doesn’t stand a chance of making the Hall without 3,000 hits. But if he were to collect 3,000 hits, he probably would also be very close to 600 doubles. Even if we give you every benefit of the doubt (that somehow GA could put those raw numbers up and not be first ballot), or that the writers never elected GA to the Hall on subsequent ballots, he’d then become the darling of the veteran’s committee and he’d be a lock via that route.
I’ll acknowledge that GA probably doesn’t reach 3,000 hits or the Hall. But to say that GA could could collect 3,000 hits/550+ doubles and not get into Cooperstown is, officially, the most bizarre GA criticism one could hope to read or hear.
I could see debating whether a guy who reached 3,000 hits is or isn’t a first ballot HOF’er but you seem to be stating (with confidence ill-fitting the historical evidence to the contrary) that GA could be denied the Hall at all were he to achieve those numbers.
The majority of Baseball Writers (let’s remember, Rob Neyer doesn’t vote for the Hall of Fame) would free-pass those numbers without even thinking about it twice. Again, even if they didn’t, the next generation of veteran’s committee leadership would make it priority one.
It’s interesting to me the extent to which Angel fans go to deride GA. This line of reasoning now takes the cake. Congrats.
Funny, too, how you use his current black and grey ink to determine his worthiness for future consideration, as if his black and grey ink would not have changed substantially with the milestones that would go along with reaching 3,000 hits (and more than 500 doubles). For example, his numbers under these (not widely considered by baseball writers) metrics will increase significantly when he reaches 2,500 hits and 500 doubles, both of which are almost assured to happen this next season. If you’re going to spout the metrics, it seems that you may want to at least acknowledge these CRITICAL underpinnings. Or, I’m not sure, maybe spend some more time studying their bases.
3,000 hits is still hallowed, always will be. It would take something like a fundamental shifting of thought among the vast majority of baseball writers, in a very short time, for this dynamic to change in even the next ten years.
As for your Lou Brock reference, I guess that really depends on your universe. In the real baseball “universe,” for example, he’s neither mocked nor excluded from the Hall of Fame. Among the still small contingent of hyper-obsessed history revisionists, Lou Brock is considered to have substandard statistical achievment. Fortunately for baseball and its fans, though, Lou Brock (and his game-changing, revolutionary style of play) are enshrined in Cooperstown.
I’m still chuckling at the idea of a player (any player, seriously) finishing his career with 3,000 hits and near 600 doubles and not being a first ballot Hall of Famer. Now that’s an interesting “universe.”
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 22, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll keep this simple...
First of all, Black/Grey Ink measures how many times a player leads the league in a stat or appears in the top-10, nothing more.
Do you think GA will lead the league in anything over the next few years? Me either – so his Black Ink will remain unchanged. This Grey Ink could change a little – but not much. So that argument stands. You did nothing to make him seem more HOF worthy.
Secondly, the doubles and hits are his only chance. 600 doubles is a stretch, but 550 is reasonable. 3000 hits is also a stretch because I don’t see him getting enough AB’s for 4 years to have a chance, but it could happen.
If it does happen and he gets to 3000 hits – he is more likely to get into the HOF. But, it doesn’t make it right. He would still be the absolute worst OF’er in the Hall – by a wide margin.
With regard to Lou Brock: I agree Lou Brock is a decent HOF’er considering how he transformed the game with regards to the SB, but he is still a shadow of the player that other OF’ers are. In my, small HOF world, Brock doesn’t get in and GA doesn’t sniff the place.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 22, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could lead the league in ABs ;-)
could lead the league in doubles (not likely though).
Wouldn’t take much, however, for GA to finish top 10 in singles, doubles, ABs and/or, with the right team, RBI. I know you’ve written him off, but that doesn’t mean he’s done. There could very well be a couple of good seasons to come. So, yes, black/grey ink could indeed change.
HOF monitor and standards will change with milestones.
3,000 hits = HOF. If he reaches it, he’s in. That is, and was, the point.
According to you, though, if he reaches it he’s the first person to ever reach it and not make the Hall. There’s simply no precedence for your assertion.
I was never arguing that he was Hall-worthy right now. I was only stating that if he gets to 3,000 hits (and the concomittant number of doubles) he’s a no-brainer. And I certainly stand by that.
As an aside, you could consider perhaps a more diplomatic means of engaging folks around here. Implying that people are stupid (“So, should we use Batting Average, Home Runs and RBI’s for our conversation so that you can follow along?”) or accusing them of limited faculties (“No offense, but that is one delirious comment.”) hardly engenders much in the way of respect. You accuse others of calling you names (“Sorry if I responded harshly to being called names, I tend to do that.”) but then immediately accuse, implicitly and directly, anyone that disagrees with you of “willfully ignoring all the work of the last 30+ years with regards to baseball stats.”
Considering that I don’t even need to leave this thread to find all of these quotes, it could just be time to get over yourself.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 22, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JIM YOU ARE BING SILLY
Your assumption is that HOF voters will vote like YOU would vote … history has shown that they do not vote with the criteria you are emphasizing.
If G.A. gets 3,000 hits he will be voted in even if his career OPS+ has fallen below 100. HOF voters look at counting stats and a hundred ranting posts by you will not change that concrete fact of life, regardless of the correctness of your position.
by Rev Halofan on Nov 22, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hof
3000 hits
.300 career hitter
350 hr
out of a clean guy in the steroids era sounds fairly appealing to me
by NoDakHalo on Nov 25, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that would be an HOF'er. Too bad it doesn't describe GA.
He’ll have a tough time reaching 3000 hits and there’s no way he even sniffs 350 HRs.
by snowhor on Nov 25, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why are people so obsessed
with hitting by position… this seems idiotic to me.
So if GA played second base with those numbers you’d be screaming for us to sign him because of hit hitting for a secondbaseman?
odd
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on Nov 21, 2008 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The same reason Diamonds are valuable.
Because they are rare. Decent hitting OF’s are a dime a dozen, whereas someone that can hit and play 2B, SS, or C are much more rare.
If you wouldn’t take Joe Mauer’s season over Magglio Ordonez’s season even though their OPS were very similar then I’d consider that idiotic.
by MH252525 on Nov 22, 2008 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand, maybe
I didnt do a good job of explaining myself. My fault.
I just meant to say that stats, while a good indicator of talent, is not the only indicator.
His very productive second halves always seem to come when we struggle and his calue is much higher. I agree he doesn’t walk enough, but this year he was able to stay healthy, provide decent offfense/defense and settled into the not full time OF position fine.
but point taken
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on Nov 22, 2008 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It matters because...
it helps to understand the actual value of a player as opposed to his peers. This really shouldn’t be that hard to grasp.
If PLAYER A hits .285/.350/.450 that’s pretty good.
But, if the other folks at his position in MLB hit for an average line of .285/.365/.480 then PLAYER A is below average and his organization has done a poor job finding and acquiring league average players.
Now, if the positional peers of PLAYER A hit for an average line of .272/.340/.420 then PLAYER A is a stud when compared to his peers and the organization has done a bang up job in acquiring or developing an above-average, All-Star caliber player at his position.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 22, 2008 7:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
So hey Jim when did they start he random testing again?
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Nov 21, 2008 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Nov 21, 2008 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
I doubt it, but I hadn’t even thought of it before now….
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 22, 2008 7:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too cryptic for me...
Is there some insinuation here?
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 22, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to be, huh?
It must be something not measured by OPS.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 22, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No,
I just found it interesting that he peaked in 2003 then fell off the cliff…
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 22, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
that he would play in fewer games in 2004 then he had since becoming a fixture in the Angels OF. GA would find himself on the DL for the first time in his career that same year with some mysterious hip problem.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Nov 23, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Back. Not hip.
Angels fan since '67
by red floyd on Nov 23, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rheumatoid Arthritis.................
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Nov 24, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this straight.
Players who go 8 years with 600+ AB’s per season before they start to show some wear, are we suspecting all of them of using steroids? Or just GA?
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 24, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OPS???
are you silly. You can find stats that say Vlad is an average RF should we get rid of him
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on Nov 21, 2008 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Egads...
So, should we use Batting Average, Home Runs and RBI’s for our conversation so that you can follow along?
Is Reagan still president where you live or are you willfully ignoring all the work of the last 30+ years with regards to baseball stats?
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 22, 2008 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
listen Sabermetrics guy
I am not saying those are useless by any stretch, I am saying that saying goodbye and goodriddance to GA because of low OPS, but yet at the same time be so enamored with a guy like Juan rivera who has not proven himself over time.
All I was stating was that IMO GA is worth the 2 year deal. Someone above said that they wouldn’t want GA to DH, So you would rather have who from our bench step up and DH? K Mo will probably be playing 1b.
And PS you dont have to get insulting:
So, should we use Batting Average, Home Runs and RBI’s for our conversation so that you can follow along?
Some people can make a point without sarcasm or insult. Its called a discusion. You made a point about OPS … Fine good counter point., instead of explaining your thoughts further or leaving it at that you went another route.
I can tell you are an intelligent and well informed fan, you always come with lots of stats and well thought out opinions…. That being said you can still be a jerk
Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that
by Sinatrasratpack on Nov 22, 2008 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me...
who called who silly and idiotic?
Sorry if I responded harshly to being called names, I tend to do that.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 22, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I think Sabermetrics makes you sound pretty bad-ass. Like a beast master, or a Jedi.
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 22, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I chuckled...
BTW, I scoff at the idea that I am a sabermetrician. I know just enough about it to have an informed opinion – nothing more.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 22, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wondering
i’m lazy so i’m not going to look it up. did the Phillies have the best Stats? Rays? who had the best Stats this season? i think we get caught up too much with the Stats. its good to get into the Stats when its time for a contract but in terms of the team, the players aren’t robots. you can never measure the human element with a computer.
by HALO_86 on Nov 22, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my first reaction -
NO WAY! i guess this means he’s gone for sure.
he’ll get some stupid contract from somebody stupid enough to listen to Boras. i sincerely hope it’s not us.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Nov 21, 2008 8:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see the Boras PowerPoint on GA
In left field, for your Los Angeles Dodgers …….. introducing your new 3 year/$36 million man and your consolation gift for the loss of Manny Ramirez …….. GARRET ANDERSON!
You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?
by PieceOfAase on Nov 21, 2008 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GA and Boras are being very shrewd...
Boras doesn’t take a guy like GA as a client unless he’s confident he can make a deal. Something’s in the works.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 21, 2008 9:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LATER
give me someone who walks in LF
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 21, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
good cop / bad cop
Good new is GA will get himself the biggest chunk of change possible to last him and his family for a long time.
Bad news is no way he comes back to the Angels now.
by elricsi on Nov 21, 2008 10:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was still holding onto a childish dream that he would return.
I grew up watching him. He’s got class coming out the yin yang (except for hiring the Boar’s ass).
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 21, 2008 11:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Boras!
That’s my cuss of the month
by Big Bad , "VLAD"! on Nov 22, 2008 2:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Too lazy to negotiate for himself, then...
I see red people
by The Limey on Nov 22, 2008 9:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zing!
Can’t believe it took that long for someone to bust that out! But it wouldn’t be a true GA discussion without it.
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 22, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he signs with the M's and we get Ibanez....
Thanks for the memories GA but signing with Boras I won’t believe a word you say when you say you wished things would have worked out with the Angels.
by MH252525 on Nov 22, 2008 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
The hatred so many Angel fans seem to have for GA amazes me. It’s one of the reasons I find myself spending less and less time around this site. So much hatred for a guy who has done so much for this franchise. Should be fun when Garret leaves to see who the haters go after next. Vlad? Hunter? Lackey?
by GA4Ever on Nov 22, 2008 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think that
part of it is that we were lead to believe he fired his agent to work out a deal with the Angels. Then he goes and hires Boras so that option is obviously not there. Maybe GA did try to work out a deal with Reagins and there was no interest. If that’s the case then fine, but otherwise I think Angels fans can be slightly dissappointed with his decision.
by MH252525 on Nov 22, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GA is merely the most recent example of how badly
this team is willing to shit on its outgoing veterans.
It started even before Buzzie Bavasi turned loose Nolan Ryan in favor of “two 8-7 pitchers” he could never quite seem to find. It continued when Don Baylor was sent packing. Rod Carew? Yeah, get lost. Brian Downing? Yeah, his career was supposed to be over too.
I always return to root for the team after this kind of crap, but I don’t soon forget it. It used to pain the hell out of me to watch Brian Downing DH, and Nolan Ryan start, for the (division rival) Texas Rangers YEARS after their careers were supposed to be over.
If Angel past is any indicator, GA will have a resurgent year for some other AL team and sting the Angels repeatedly (anyone remember Don Baylor’s home run in the ‘86 ALCS? It was overshadowed by Hendu’s, but it played a pivotal role and it came YEARS after the Angels sent him away thinking his career was almost over). Angel history seems to have this strange way of repeating itself.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 22, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
GA
was a great Angel. i don’t want him back. he takes up space where i feel we have to give 1 of the guys a chance. i don’t care if he has a resurgent yr. he probably will have one, if he does great. i think sometimes you need a change of scenery to revitalize your career. you can’t keep everyone forever. theres only 3 OF and 1DH spot. its not like he was tearing it up. sorry. i like him alot and wish him well, but its time to move on.
by HALO_86 on Nov 22, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
So are they just supposed to sign these guys and play them for the rest of their careers regardless of how productive they are? I know stats aren’t everything, but they are a pretty good indicator of how much a guy will contribute to the team. How about bringing Tim Salmon back for his farewell tour? Didn’t seem like they were shitting on him. And what about Troy Percival’s one-day contract so he can retire an Angel? Lots of good that did. Garret wants to play everyday. The team feels that it can get better production then what he gave them last year. They’re making a decision that they feel is best for the team. Its not about disrespect. They have paid this guy handsomely to play here his whole career. He stayed in the starting lineup no matter how bad he was struggling. Now his contract is up. What more do they owe him? If he wanted to play here so bad, hed say “sign me for whatever you think is fair and I’ll play.” Of course that’d be silly for him to do. So its time to move on. Its easy to be sentimental when a player spent their whole career here. We will all have great memories of GA, and personally I’ll be rooting for him no matter where he plays next year. But to resign him for sentimental reasons and ignore his declining power numbers would be counter-productive. This is not about contructing a roster with a spread sheet. Its about common sense and looking at the history of the game, in particular the career arc of fading stars.
by dmhead on Nov 22, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. I'll bet you anything
Part of GA probably did want to say “pay me whatever, and I’ll stay here.” But part of him also feels like he has a number of good seasons left in him, and he wants to play full time. What would your decision be if you were him?
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 22, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Percival's actually another GREAT example.
He wanted to come back to the Angels, even after his one-day token contract, and pitch for the team. The team essentially said, “no thanks, you’re done, we like Justin Speier now.”
Of course, Percival is still pitching in the Big Leagues and, though injury-prone, has been VERY effective in his post-retirement efforts.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 22, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and you know this how?
Perhaps he did want to come back after his “retirement” but at the time, the team really had no place for him (and Speier was doing a bang-up job for us, thank you). And while he hasn’t been horrible since he came back, saying hes been VERY effective is a stretch. After a nice little run with St. Louis last year, this year with Tampa he had a 4.53 ERA with a 38/27 so/bb ratio. Gosh, sure wish it were him closing out games for us this past year…
by dmhead on Nov 23, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fairly common knowledge, actually...
Percy’s first choice was Anaheim. And he was willing to come back as a setup man, not a closer. Pitching through injuries in ‘08 shows that time may have caught up to him. Still, and despite Speier’s “bang-up job” (that lasted, what, 20 games?), handling Percy differently two years ago very well may have led us to see him come on board as a pitching coach.
Notice, we don’t have great former Angels coming around as hitting and pitching coaches. We tend to go with the Mickey Hatchers and Mike Butchers of the world largely in part because of how the team has treated outgoing veterans. The notable exception, of course, was Rod Carew…perhaps the best hitting coach in Angel history. Didn’t the team fire him, though?
Sure seems like a trend to me.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 23, 2008 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carew left to take of his sick daughter
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Nov 23, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*take care of his sick daughter
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Nov 23, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carew proved to be the best company guy.
He wasn’t ready to retire but also wasn’t ready to leave Anaheim. The Angels were ready to bring Joyner in before Carew was really ready to leave.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 23, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
again, wheres the disrespect?
Should they just allow these guys to come and go as they please? Just because they were there before does not make the team obligated to re-sign them. Who’s to say Percy would even make a good pitching coach? I’m not saying he wouldn’t, but how would any of us know what makes a good coach in the majors? Its a nice romantic notion to have every decent player that came up through the organization stay there the rest of their natural lives, but thats just not realistic. For the team to stay competitive, sometimes they have to make some cold, hard decisions with their lifers’.
by dmhead on Nov 23, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moreover
he was serving as a pitching coach in spring training. When all of a sudden his arm stopped hurting, he decided to come back. And don’t let revisionist history cloud anyone’s judgment: he did want to return as a closer, and the Halos obviously didn’t have that job for him. By mid-2007, the Halos had a pretty solid bullpen, and really nowhere to put Percy. He got far more opportunities in StL., and parlayed that into a deal with a team that did ultimately hand him the closer’s job.
by jjackflash on Nov 23, 2008 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His #1 priority should be
signing with a team whose park is conducive to left handed hitters. He should be all about the #’s now. Get that 3,000 GA!
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 22, 2008 1:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Question:
If Boras can liken Zito to Koufax, and Derek Lowe to Bob Gibson…
Which beloved HOF’er should Scott Boras compare Garret Anderson to?
I think I’m gonna go with Stan Musial-esque.
by Tina Yothers on Nov 22, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Funny you mention it
Saving countless runs with my defense.
by Sam Miller OCR on Nov 22, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, he'll be invoking Harold Baines,
I assure you. Baines isn’t a HOFer, granted, but it’s an easy comparison. Some GM is going to go for it, too.
GA’s career OPS…
@ Fenway = .863
@ Oakland = .838
@ Texas = .805
I’m not saying any of these three teams will necessarily sign GA but, who knows, maybe their rivals might want to.
Tough to sneeze at a veteran left-handed bat who also happens to be one of the most prodigious doubles hitters of all time.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 22, 2008 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this could be a negotiating tactic
The Angels might’ve thought — like many of us did — that GA would gladly sign a cheap contract to stay an Angel and stay in SoCal. With this move, he may be saying “it’s not gonna be that easy, Tony.”
I still hold out hope that he’ll remain a Halo. No rational thinking, just love for my man GA.
by yeswecan on Nov 22, 2008 8:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If it's not going to be that easy to re-sign him
then don’t. I love GA for sentimental reasons but the organization shouldn’t let that blind them from reality. He was great to the organization but it’s time to move on. He’s replaceable.
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 22, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love you Garrett.......for all you've done......you've done the Halos proud..
I will be forever grateful for the game 7 winning hit…….if you wanna go get your money…..I have no problem with it…..no one deserves it more……smk.art move hooking up with Boras I think……….thanks again.
Disappointment proves that expectations were mistaken.......ladies and gentlemen your 2008 Buffalo Bills.....
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 22, 2008 9:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Norcal fan...
…love those…ellipses…I imagine heaving sobs in between your words. Very Dickinson-esque.
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 24, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like it or not dudes
Counting stats will put him in the Hall (Biggio style – the guy who hit .281 and took a billion years to reach 3,000, but still will go in, with a mediocre OPS at that).
Pulling numbers out of my ass, I’m going to say G.A. plays another 4 years with various levels of playing time. Give him averages of 135 hits, 14 HRs, 70RBIs, and 26 doubles. Assume he manages to keep his OPS+ right around 105 or 106 for his career.
This gives us:
2,908 hits (36th all-time)
593 doubles (16th all-time)
328 homers (t-91st all-time)
1,572 rbis (33rd all-time)
For perspective:
-That’s more hits than Mel Ott, Babe Ruth, Brooks Robinson, Charlie Gehringer, George Sisler, and countless others.
-Not one person ahead of him on the Doubles list is not in the HoF, and not one person behind for 15 people down the list is not either. That includes the likes of Willie Mays, Ted Williams, Lou Gehrig, and Rogers Hornsby.
-All of the Top-50 in RBIs either is, or will be, in the HoF. Garret will almost certainly crack that list.
-George Brett, Rogers Hornsby, Ryne Sandberg, Chuck Klein, and Gary Carter didn’t hit 328 homers.
So no, his averages (other than BA) don’t catch the eye. But counting statistics sure mean something, and if he reaches those totals, you can be sure people aren’t going to care that his OPS didn’t pop-off the page.
And to be fair about OPS+, Garret played in the era of the ‘roider (and was as above suspicion as anyone else), so you’ll have to excuse him if he had trouble staying well above the average OPS just by being him, and almost certainly not cheating. OPS was inflated by roids, and his OPS+ suffered accordingly. A decade earlier, G.A.’s career OPS+ would have been almost 10 points higher, when the average OPS was more than 40 points lower.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 22, 2008 11:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
those are some high expectations
4 more years, really? Could happen, I suppose. But I’m willing to bet that in two years he isn’t even a major leaguer anymore.
by dmhead on Nov 23, 2008 12:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I thought they were pretty tempered
If he goes to a place like Colorado (the N.L. AND that park), he could really pile on some nice numbers to close out his career. As is, he’s not the player he once was, but he’s leveled off to an acceptable level of production, and has pretty much stayed there for the last few years. I could see him going longer than 4 (Julio Franco style!), if he thinks he’s within reach of 3,000…and there will probably be a team where he could fit, whether it’s an N.L. team (he can still play the field, contrary to what people would like to insist), or in some team’s D.H.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 23, 2008 4:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second.......
CKOD aren’t you the same guy that said the Hall was for the greats that played, and not the Hall of Exceptionally Good. Your the same guy that said Mussina wasn’t worthy of HOF but now use the same thoughts to push GA in. I agree with counting stats, but was GA one of the top OF during his time? Some used J. Morris and B. Blyleven as examples as to why Mussina should not be in the Hall. So I guess if GA is worthy then Jim Rice is a no brainer.
Not so sure what group you have been running with but those in the game have often said that GA was using some sort of special vitamins. Jim Edmonds has never been in the steroid talks but does that mean he has been clean?
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Nov 23, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're confusing two ideas here
I said that Mussina does not DESERVE to be in the HoF by my standards…not that he would not go.
Likewise, I am not saying here that G.A. DESERVES to be in the HoF, but rather that he WILL be (should the stats be reached listed above).
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 23, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
just don’t think you have given enough credit to Mussina though. Guy won a shit load of games while pitching in a tough division. Lot of good teams in the East during his career. Not only did he win but his BB/K and ERA were solid and so was his WHIP. Bottom line is he got it done and was by no means a one hit wonder. For me he was one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball for a long time. My definition of HOF is someone that was the best at what he did over a long period of time.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Nov 23, 2008 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Won a shitload of games in a tough division"
could also be skewed as “won a shitload of games by playing for a ton of really good teams.”
My personal opinion on the HoF as is, right now, is that it’s too easy to get in. Too many people who don’t deserve it. Too many people in in general. I’d be more apt to go in and remove a ton of people (Phil Rizzuto? Pee Wee Reese? Are you fucking KIDDING me? These guys are not only not HoF…they’re not even AVERAGE players), than start including people like Mussina.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 23, 2008 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry...have to ask:
Other than the cryptic BS above (propagated by you in this thread), who, specifically, has said anything about GA’s “special vitamins?” Seriously, who? When did his name come up? He wasn’t implicated with Riggs, with Donnelly, with Glaus, or with Grimsley. Radomski mention him? McNamee mention him? Is he anywhere in the Mitchell Report? Any positive tests? Even one rumor of credible source?
Please, tell us where GA’s name has come up. Sources? How about one source? “…those in the game have often said that GA was using some sort of special vitamins?” Who?
Is this the level to which some Angel fans will now stoop to deride one of the organization’s best ever? Is this what Frank Robinson was talking about? I’m not sure I understand this at all. Strange turn.
I’ve seen nothing but valid and insightful opinion from you in the past and am surprised you’re willing to go this route.
I’m amazed. Truly. GA deserves better from Angel fans (at the least).
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 23, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to answer:
There is a lot of players that had/have used the juice that were not mentioned in any reports. It would be very naive on your part to think that all those that used have/had been caught. It is more naive on your part to think that the use of these “special vitamins” were only supplied by those that got caught. I have many friends that have played this game (MLB) that I have loved since my childhood and I will not mention there names but I do know that there are many that have used at some point in there career.
Just because Mike Piazza never was mentioned in any reports doesn’t make him clean does it? Brad Fullmer was not mentioned either but there has been talk in the top 100 list and not a lot of people took exception to that, but it is true. I know my sources are much better then some idiot reporter.
Personally the list of those that did not use it during that period is shorter then those that did. I am not against those that did use. I was made aware of it as early as 95. Heck the big thing use to be the amphetamines and still was untill not long ago. I remember the first time I went to get a cup of coffee in the clubhouse and was told to drink the unleaded. When I said “I want the caffeine” I was once again told to take from the other pot because of the extra kick in the leaded.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Nov 24, 2008 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, based on all of that...
I have to concede that GA must have been a juicer. I mean they did, after all, tell you to drink out of the other coffee pot (incidentally, were you in the Angels’ clubhouse? No, you weren’t.).
I think any of us who played high school and college baseball in Southern California played with and/or against many future Major Leaguers. A few of us have even been lucky enough to have some limited access. Does that give us enough insight to make such strong accusations? No, because the clubhouse isn’t really the clubhouse until all of the outsiders (clowns like you and me) have left.
Again, if this thread has proven nothing else, it should prove just how far some Angel fans are willing to go to trash GA, despite his service to the club and its fans. Think what you must of GA as a player. Think what you must about the Angels’ decision to let him go. But unless you are willing to source one of your “many friends that have played” in the Majors, I’m calling bullshit, repeatedly.
NOBODY has ever told you that GA was a user of anything. Still, you’re willing to state that he’s suspcious. Your implications (borderline assertions) are typical of the rumor-based crap that “no idiot reporter” would ever touch.
I’d hate to press you for one single source given your “many friends” in the game, but you have to understand that you’re just accusing wildly and then hiding behind these “many friends.”
It just doesn’t pass the sniff test. To be straight, in fact, it’s highly dubious whenever anyone on a baseball-related chat board claims some sort of (even limited) insider status. There’s a far better chance that GA is, and has been, clean than there is any chance that Major Leaguers are sharing damning information (certainly of any specificity) with the likes of you (no insult to you, honestly, but it’s a very protective fraternity).
There is absolutely nothing that you’ve written that would suggest GA is guilty of anything other than a typical mid-30’s decline. I know it’s frustrating to some people that GA has fans/supporters, but stooping to this level is an absolute low-point.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 24, 2008 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Truth does hurt
I have no problem with GA and I have no issue with you standing up for one of your all time favorite players. Just don’t forget that these players that we tend to put high on the pedestal are from the same society that we live in. They are not perfect and they error not only on the field but in life as well.
Bottom line is if I told you I shot up with him you would not except it either and thats fine. I know what I know. If your GA glasses were not so fuzzy you would be able to see it as well. You don’t need my source just look at the numbers. Guy was never hurt and played everyday until testing started. He gets off it and then he has some rare disorder causing joint pains. He was 32 not mid 30’s as you say.
Once the crack down started GA goes back to the same HR numbers he had put up earlier in his career. He crushed for the 5 years (steroid era) and gets his contract extension. He wins the HR hitting contest in 2003 yet was never known as a guy that was your HR hitter until just a few years earlier.He then ends up being on the DL for the first time in his career. He losses muscle/strength in the upper body, and the acne clears up. He goes right back to the same guy he was early in his career hitting 15 HR’s a year while hitting for AVG.
I am not trying to shoot holes in GA and his career as an Angel. He was a very good hitter, and he still has some hits left in his bat. I just could not sit here and read how he still has a lot left when he never had the pop in the bat that some think he had. I am not a gossip spreader nor do I gain anything from revealing a source. Just easy to see when you remove the Halo you have set on GA’s head. I have been an Angel fan since the day my father took me to my first pro game back in 73. I cried like a school girl that skinned her knee when Lyman Bostock was killed. I was sick for weeks when Nolan Ryan was not signed. Your a Angel fan and a GA fan thats good, but at some point you have to remove the rose colored glasses and use the head and not the heart.
Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee
by Angel Aviator on Nov 24, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're avoiding the question
and instead asserting that even if you gave me a source I wouldn’t believe you. Your source doesn’t exist. Sorry.
In fact, you’ve further devolved the discussion into hearsay. You claim to not be a “gossip spreader” at the same time you spread gossip, using anecdotal proof like reduced acne.
I’m much more comfortable with the GA glasses (or whatever the hell you’re talking about) than I would be purposely spreading unsubstantiated garbage while hiding behind a non-existent source, while remainin wholly anonymous.
The burden isn’t on me to prove that GA wasn’t on ‘roids. The burden (at least as it relates to this discussion) is for you to give us something, anything, that can validate your assertion that you have sources to substantiate your WILD accusations. I’ll listen and maybe even acknowledge something credible, but what you’re offering is not credible IN THE LEAST.
And, BTW, if you were willing to use your real name while asserting that you “shot up” with GA, I’d be inclined to believe you because you would be risking your own reputation (not to mention a slander/libel suit) by lying. Since you are, like me, an anonymous disccussion contributor, though, I don’t really believe anything you say in regard to your highly confidential discussions with “numerous friends” that have played in the Major Leagues.
Again, no sniff-test passing, unless of course, we’re smelling for BS, in which case all of your assertions do indeed smell like BS.
Do this for us: answer the question as generically as possible. For example, “a friend of mine, who played in the (insert National or American) League, and whose opinion I trust implicitly, has first hand knowledge of GA being a user of PDEs.” Can you do it (and still feel good about your post)? I don’t think so, and not only because when pressed your justifications allude to acne and injuries.
You couldn’t have put forth a weaker or more anecdotally-based argument had you tried all day.
Again, source of any kind?
Didn’t think so.
“Aside from the numerous girls in the Niagra Falls area…”
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 24, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scroll up
GA is no longer above suspicion according to Angel Aviator.
Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.
by Rally Manatee on Nov 24, 2008 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So I heard
but you’re also a communist until you prove otherwise, so turn over the names of all your commie friends before I hold you in contempt of court.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 24, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're all on 'roids..
and so is every one of your favorite players. You cheating bastards.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 24, 2008 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
its weird
You almost want to assume that everyone in the “steroid era” was on the roids. But that’s merely what we’ve been told. I personally think its all been overblown, and the mlb hasn’t really been quick to action because any press is good press (losing to the nfl and the nba in ratings stings a little bit). I dont think theres some conspiracy or anything. And I also dont like people assuming that everyone used. Innocent till proven guilty. This isnt a criminal hearing, so it will take at least some evidence associating the individuals with steroids. With GA, this just isnt the case. Theres no evidence anywhere, not even rumors (until now apparently).
But I forgot that we also live in 1950s America and must assume everyone is a Com— I mean steroid user.
It isnt the case that there is no evidence anywhere, plenty of names have popped up in various investigations. GA’s is nowhere to be found, so until proven otherwise we shouldnt assume that GA was on the juice.
by linkbruin on Nov 25, 2008 3:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What does this have to do with anything?
A picture of Bob Weed and a link to a Zep song?
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Nov 23, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Song Remains the Same!
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 23, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GA. vs. The Angels
Garrett feels he’s worth more money than the Halos want to pay. Good for GA, get as much money as you can for you and your family.
The Angels feel they have to do what is best for THE TEAM with all things considered.
Enough about GA, we should be talking about Teixeira & Manny and what other big bats we can get signed.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 23, 2008 1:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Garret thinks he's a better option than Juan Rivera.
The Angels think Juan Rivera will be the cheaper option with similar production.
Time will tell.
I predict:
JR ’09 = .285/.340/.450, 20 HR, 70 RBI….$6M
GA ’09 = .290/.335/.450, 15 HR, 85 RBI….$8M
Of course, I’m far more confident that GA will reach those numbers than I am that JR will reach his. JR’s numbers are based on him realizing some degree of his talent, something that’s he’s been, mostly, unable to do. Sadly, too, of course, GA is the better defender and better team leader between the two.
All I can say is that JR (assuming the Angels can even convince him to sign) will be feeling the pressure of replacing GA on a daily basis. Can he handle it?
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 23, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both seem to need consistent ABs to get warm
GA’s the one who’s been getting them.
Give JR a full season of ABs and I think he’ll produce. Maybe not quite up to those numbers, but darn close.
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Nov 23, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was giving JR every benefit of doubt.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 24, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're predicting that the 37 year old GA will get on base more and hit for more power than the 36 year old GA?
And health in 2007 and then playing time in 2008 are the only two reasons JR hasn’t put up those numbers. In 2006, he hit .310/.362/.525, 23 HR, 85 RBI in only 124 games. He should have been given consistent playing time this year while GA and GMJ should have never appeared in the same game.
by snowhor on Nov 23, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I am predicting exactly that.
GA will be playing for a different team (that will expect different ABs from him) and he’ll be playing with a chip on his shoulder (something professional competitors are known to do).
Remember, if GA gets off to a solid start, those numbers are completely realistic (and maybe even underestimated). His slow first half play of the last couple seasons is a recent development. It’s not in any way a given that he’ll get off to another slow start. He’s had some very strong starts in his career.
By the way, were you aware that Juan Rivera put together 3/4 of a strong season back in 2006? Oh, but then he had a CAREER ALTERING injury (anyone notice how ridiculously slow he has become, and what a poor defender that has made him?). Other than being a proven double-play machine, Juan Rivera still crystallizes to that one good portion of 2006, despite the fact that he’s now 30 (at least) and a FREE AGENT.
I hope you’re all right about Juan Rivera and that his career line of .284/.331/.468 (in almost 2000 career ABs) is somehow well below what he’s going to produce as new starter (whose very serious broken leg has yet to be tested over the full season) replacing GA.
JR may or may not come back to the Angels. If he does come back to the Angels, I’m rooting strongly for him. If nothing else, I suppose, we might finally see if all the blind faith around here is warranted.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 24, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to pick a fight, but...
Why is it okay for you to question Rivera’s age, but not for another person to question steroid use? Do you have some inside information regarding Rivera’s birthdate?
As I wrote, I’m not trying to start any crap, I’m just going to sit back and watch what happens when Angel Aviator replies to your comment. This should be fun to watch.
I like Anderson, he’s been consistent and a true asset to the Angels, but I hate reading posts from fans who refuse to see the truth. I appreciate your love of all things Garret, just as I appreciate Acuda’s Morales’ fixation, but those feelings lead to very biased assumptions.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Nov 24, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to provide input of continuing interest.
That’s what this site is about, really.
I don’t think you’re trying to pick a fight or start any crap. That’s not how I read it.
It’s not insider information, Juan Rivera turned 30 halfway through the ‘08 season. He’ll be 31 halfway through the season. He’s somewhere between 30 and 31, making him at least 30, an assertion that I stand behind and one which can be easily verified in the public domain.
I’m a GA fan but try hard to temper that with objectivity (I’d like to see him get on base more, I’d like to see him hit for more power, I’d like to see him occasionally spill himself down the left field line for a close play, I’d like a more assertive demeanor).
And not to pick out Acuda too much here, but I would hope that I am more objective in regard to GA than he is about Morales (and, to clarify, I think highly of Morales, that’s certainly not what this is about).
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 24, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't, BTW, claim that GA will hit for more power...
Identical HR total and a few more doubles is all.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 24, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And another thing...
If you think Anderson is going to do better in 2009 than he did in 2008 because he’ll have a chip on his shoulder, does that mean he didn’t play as well as he could have last year because he didn’t have a good enough reason?
If that’s the case, good riddance.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Nov 24, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's as conscious as that.
But I see what you’re saying.
I used to always say about Nick Van Exel that his ability to score 40 every time he played against the Lakers proved that he was dogging it while with the Lakers.
As much as others may disagree, though, I don’t think GA is much like Van Exel. GA’s a professional; he’s not been dogging it in the past but he’ll actively want to beat the Angels. Should he turn up with an AL contender or division rival, it’s something to think about.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 24, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you're saying
And I kinda agree. I can see GA turining it up when he faces the Angels (I don’t know if it’d do much good though), but to do it over the entire season…well, that’d be pretty shitty.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Nov 25, 2008 4:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Halos are letting G.A. walk
because they believe they have a couple of options in LF. Maybe they are really targeting Manny with Juan Riveira as their backup plan.
Oh that would be terrible, the thought of having Manny mashing like a mutha while giving us about the same effort we would have gotten out of GA in left.
And if that doesn’t happen, then finally seeing what JR can do with a full season in left certainly will be alright with me.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 24, 2008 10:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if the Angels sign Manny,
I’ll tell GA to suck it!
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 24, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GA
I think all he wants is to unconditionally play every day. He doesn’t want to DH, he doesn’t want to take days off [no matter how unrealistic it would seem at his age not to take them] and he doesn’t want someone pushing on him as a defensive replacement or someone pushing him out of his customary spot in left field.
He’s really not a bad player, but he is getting older and ‘minor suspicions,’ aside, isn’t the 30 home run hitting GA he was in his prime years.
I keep playing with his hit totals and see where he can get to 3,000 hits, but I assume he falls short of the mark, though I’ll keep hoping he plays on to get to 3,000.
by BBFan1 on Nov 24, 2008 3:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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