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Wouldn't it make more sense to sign Lackey to an extension, rather than sign CC?

     I for one would rather see Lackey signed to an extension, than pay all that money to CC.   I know we pretty much all agree that signing Tex is the most important move.  Who would rather have CC than Lackey?  Is it possible that the club would sign CC and Lackey?   We all know Lackey will require some big bucks as well.   I just don't see the FO paying out as much money as it would take to have both aces on our staff past 2009. So if it came to one or the other,  who do you want past 2009?     

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is it any different than asking would the club sign both teixeira and lackey?

we have the money coming off the books to add a major contract. Think of CC and Teix as the same contract

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 28, 2008 7:21 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd rather have C.C. than Lackey

Lackey will get a huge raise and I’d rather pay C.C. that money. Just my opinion.

What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?

by AlohaHalofan on Nov 28, 2008 7:46 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C.C. OVER LACKEY?

Are u nuts?
C.C. would be great but Lackey is are main man and should be a first priotiy next season if we can’t get an extension now.
There would be no reason to not sign him to a great contract he has done nothing more then be are Ace for the past few years and he’s not slowing down yet.

Angels World Series Champs in 2009 - and the crowd goes crazy-START THE LOOTING

by MOJOJAZZ on Nov 28, 2008 7:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nuts?

Is favoring CC over Lackey really a statement that warrants questioning one’s sanity? I think you should reserve your line of questioning for someone who favors, say, Kris Benson or Boof Bonser over Lackey. That would be nuts, as you put it. Any quick stat-check will give you plenty of reasons that signing Sabathia would be a positive thing. Don’t get me wrong, Lackey is a great pitcher, and I love having him here and all that he has done for us, and I hope we continue to see him pitch for this team, but CC is a special pitcher that can’t be overlooked simply because you’ve enjoyed Lackey’s tenure.

And the word is “our”, not “are”. It’s even pronounced different.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Nov 28, 2008 8:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

POSITIVE

I never said C.C. wouldn’t be positive (he would)
But Lackey is the one who brought us and will keep bringing us for some time now.
With C.C. and Lackey that would be the s**t – but Lackey can’t be kicked to the curb just for C.C.
LOYALTY

Angels World Series Champs in 2009 - and the crowd goes crazy-START THE LOOTING

by MOJOJAZZ on Nov 28, 2008 8:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With all due respect,

and remember I did say “with all due respect,” you’re opinion is stupid. Lackey is the man. C.C. would take that same money all the way to the DL and the surgery table in 2 to 3 years. You’ve got no loyalty man. Lackey is one of the main reasons you have enjoyed the last 7 seasons (minus ’03 perhaps).

Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by Rally Manatee on Nov 28, 2008 8:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See above comment

Loyalty? I think all of us come here because we are loyal… to the ANGELS. Loyalty shouldn’t even be questioned, especially when referring to a professional athlete or franchise. Loyalty? Why should we be held to those kinds of standards when these guys are the ones who turn around and hop teams when the right contracts are dangled in front of them via their scumbag agents. Isn’t Lackey the same guy who said he wanted to see what the team did offensively before he talked extension? It seems to me that they have put together a great offensive team. Thick and thin, right? Are we to question his loyalty now?

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Nov 28, 2008 8:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YES he did say that-LACKEY

But you would to in that moment and no one will say they wouldn’t
He wants to get past the first round again and wants some big moves yo be made, since stoneman was hesitant.
He is as commited to the team as anyone you would want and I don’t see him jumping ship.
Just really pissed-with a vingance next year

Angels World Series Champs in 2009 - and the crowd goes crazy-START THE LOOTING

by MOJOJAZZ on Nov 28, 2008 8:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never said I had a problem with what he said.

It’s a business. More power to him. He’s gotta do what’s best for him. I’m just saying don’t throw the word “loyalty” around when you’re discussing money and contracts, or hold fans to standards that players themselves can’t hold.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Nov 29, 2008 4:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why are you comparing players and fans?

I think fans should be held to a different standard than players. Players should be loyal to a team as long as they’re on the team, but it’s a job for them. Even outside of baseball, when anyone switches jobs, they are no longer loyal to their prior company. I would expect an ex-employee who left on good terms to say pleasant things about his experience with his former company, but at the same time, develop a new loyalty to his new company. Fans, however, have a different connection to the team, an inexplicable passion.

Scioscia - He provides to unlike method of your team member.

by Rally Manatee on Nov 29, 2008 5:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm comparing the two...

Because YOU accused Aloha of having no loyalty and of having a stupid opinion simply because he feels an alternative move is what’s best for the team, of which we are ALL loyal fans. Save that for fans who jump ship when times are tough, not those who have thoughts on what they feel would work.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Nov 29, 2008 6:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Surgery Table in 2 to 3 Years?

What are you basing this on… are you unclear on the durability CC has already displayed?

Here are his inning totals over the last four years.. 196, 192, 241, and 253. His lowest year in his entire career was 180.

CC should be our number one priority after Tex. A rotation including CC and Lackey next year would make us the early favorite to win the series. There are other option (less expensive) on the FA market that could get our offense where we need to be.

Dunn, Burrell – one of these guys would be a good start.
Joe Crede – would be an upgrade at 3B

Rotation – Lackey, CC, Saunders, Santana and Weaver (would be formidable)
Pen – Shields or Arredondo closing (I would add Lyons, if possible)

Light up the Freakin Halo!

by marshgr on Nov 29, 2008 10:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

veto the burrell

and say hell no. Maybe if we had no veterans that needed to play DH. But we have too many aging veterans that need the DH spot and burrell sure as hell cannot field

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Nov 29, 2008 8:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who are these aging ones

Scioscia and Hatcher don’t play anymore….who are the aging vetrans you speak of?

Vlad and ??? Not Figg, Izzy,HK, Aybar, Wood,Mathis (Please NO) Naps, KMO, GMJ? Hunter?

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Nov 29, 2008 11:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree

too many people think that were old. we all keep forgetting how young our team is.

by HALO_86 on Nov 30, 2008 10:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vlad, Napoli could ned some DH time

Torii is gonna need a few DH turns soon enough, we might resign GA. We need to get morales bat in.
i was wrong, we dont have as many aging veterans as i thought, but we still have players that will need some time there

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Nov 30, 2008 10:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boo Burrell, Boo Crede.

Burrell plays crappy defense, whether it be in LF or 1B (according to MLBTR, the Angels are considering him for 1B). Plus, Burrell would make our lineup too right handed. Our best left handed hitters would be Kendry Morales and…..Gary Matthews Jr. The Cubs lineup was too right handed. What happened to them? Oh, that’s right. The Dodgers right handed pitching completely shut them down in the NLDS. Crede a good defender but he is injury prone and his bat is mediocre at best. He’s a career .257/.306/.447 hitter with a 93 OPS+. We need OBP! We don’t need a crappy hitting 3rd baseman who doesn’t get on base and will go down for the season in June anyways!

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 30, 2008 1:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dont' get it

why have that attitude? anyone can get hurt, anytime, anywhere. maybe its Teix will get hurt this season just like MO did in his first yr. its not like were trying to sign AJ who has a history of arm problems.

by HALO_86 on Nov 29, 2008 11:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are absolutely right

I have zero loyalty to any one player.

What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?

by AlohaHalofan on Nov 29, 2008 12:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Nov 29, 2008 4:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Whats so hard to understand about that. Bottom line, players have zero loyalty to anything but the all mighty dollar sign. Why would anyone stay loyal to someone that is just going to jump ship in free agency for more money? There is no loyalty what so ever in sports anymore. I think people are really mistaking loyalty for respect around here. And since we’re on the subject, not only do I feel CC Sabathia is a better pitcher than John Lackey……. and once AGAIN this is just MY opinion that I am good goddamn well entitled to, but PART of the reason I feel this way is because I DONT LIKE JOHN LACKEY. Do I respect his skill and feel very gracious for what his skills have brought to the franchise that I love: absolutely 100% yes. However, and I didnt want to really bring this up but I will because its part of the reason I feel this way but, John Lackey is a grade A 100% fucking tool! I’ve met him before and seen him numerous times out in bars in my neighborhood . The guy is an absolute DONKEY and I have zero respect for the guy based on the way he’s treated a number of my friends and the way I’ve seen him act. He’s a self entitled bastard that couldn’t get laid if his life depended on it if he wasn’t a pro athlete. He’s a prick and I dont like him, could CC’s personality be just as bad, maybe, are other angels that bad, maybe. Should my opinion on the subject go to personal character, probably not, but, I’ve seen it first hand and I am not going to let it not effect the way I feel. Yeah, I probably shouldnt be a GM. That why they get paid to judge skill and talent level for whats best for the franchise they work for and not ones personal character. I will always respect Lackey for being apart of the angels first world championship and being a great pitcher, but. It all ends there for me. And by the way everyone, don’t get your panties in a bunch over what one fans opinion of a player is, who cares……. now go ahead and destroy me because my opinion differs from yours.

What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?

by AlohaHalofan on Nov 30, 2008 5:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh and with all due respect of course too

Whoopie cushion sound here

What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?

by AlohaHalofan on Nov 30, 2008 6:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with you

Not so much about Lackey personally, I’ve never met him. I once met Kirk McCaskill at Casa Maria after a game once. He was a very nice guy, which increased my respect for him. I liked him as a player, but that made it even better. I also saw Eddie Murray completely blow off 2 kids asking for an autograph…he was too busy hustling babes. I wasn’t a big fan before seeing that, but that was a “defining” moment to me. So I understand your feelings about Lackey when it’s the other way around.

Regarding loyalty. My loyalty lies with the Angels organization…from Arte Moreno to the guy who cleans the toilets after the game. I have my favorite players, players I follow a little more closely, but I haven’t gotten to the “Acuda Level” for a player in a long time…which in a way kind of bums me out.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Nov 30, 2008 6:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree

were fans not a GM. if you met someone on the Angels they turned out to be a prick that would totally depress me. vice versa. since i’ve never met either 1(CC or Lackey) my opinion is CC is better then Lackey. Lackey is a very good #2 but i wouldn’t put him up their with the elite in this league or not yet.

by HALO_86 on Nov 30, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AL ERA titles do not mean anything to you?

Leading th league in wins?

Top ten in K’s every year?

You are right he is not elite. What a F-ing joke.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Nov 30, 2008 3:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope

none of that means anything. its just actual performance when it counts. matchups. he seems to always get outpitched in big games and matchups.

by HALO_86 on Nov 30, 2008 3:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well thank you for brightening my day

That happens to be one of the stupidest things I have read on HH in quite sometime

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Nov 30, 2008 4:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ALDS

he pitched 2 games. both against Lester. did he pitch great in game 1? yes, but got outpitched by Lester. did he pitch great in game 2? yes, but he got outpitched by Lester again. was Lester that good or was he just hot against us in ALDS. he got hot. theres nothing you can do about it but its like Lester made his pitches count when he got in trouble and Lackey for some reason couldn’t overcome. yes the offense didn’t come through but it depends on perspective. Lester pitched great and outpitched our “Ace” both times.

by HALO_86 on Nov 30, 2008 5:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outpitched

I wouldn’t necessarily say that Lester pitched better than Lackey in game 1. Sure, Boston won the game, but that was more of a function that our offense did its annual disappearing act during October and made another round of average pitchers look like Cy Young winners. Lackey literally only made one mistake that entire game and I don’t know what else you can expect from your number 1 guy other than a perfect game. I would be interested to see who is on your list of 10 aces that doesn’t include the top guy from one of baseball’s best and most consistent pitching staffs.

by turs12 on Dec 1, 2008 11:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lackey

the W/L of Game 1&4 is about the team. all i’m focusing on is the inning for inning during those 2 games. Game 1 Lackey made only 1 mistake and it cost us the game. isn’t that how teams W/L games. they take advantage of mistakes. 1 bad pitch and that was the game. did Lester make any mistakes in Game 1? end results show that he made his pitches count when it he needed to. you can blame our hitter for that. but if you look from the other side its Lester who made no mistakes when he was out there pitching. no way am i saying Lester is better then Lackey. Lester was hot, you can’t do nothing about it.

when i threw out the number 10 i was thinking who would be in my top 10. i had some time to think about my list and i will have to say there isn’t 10 in this league.
1.Peavy 2.CC 3.Santana 4.Webb 5.Halladay

i would take these pitchers over Lackey if everyone was a FA, healthy and same salary.
1.Oswalt 2.Hamels 3.Beckett 4.Linecum 5.Kazmir

by HALO_86 on Dec 2, 2008 1:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Judging by that list

You should stop taking playoff performances into account when discrediting Lackey. At least 5 of your ten have put up some real stinkers.

But they are real aces no?

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2008 2:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

reason

i brought up the playoffs was it was most recent only. i’m talking about guys in big games pitching against each other throughout the season. Lackey is consistent and good but to me when i see him pitch against other elite pitchers he seems to get outpitched. thats all, i only brought up the ALDS 08 becuase it was the easiest matchup comparison i can bring up about big games.

by HALO_86 on Dec 2, 2008 2:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They all have real offenses

Ours has been a joke

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2008 2:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's the point everyone misses when criticizing our pitching staff's performance.

Our pitchers perform well against good offenses and our offense gets shut down by just about everyone. Yet, the perception is that we get outpitched rather than rightfully focusing on our terrible, terrible offense and its swing at every pitch mentality.

by snowhor on Dec 2, 2008 5:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you

That about sums it up. End of discussion.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 3, 2008 9:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

offense

i’m not going to defend our hitting. RISP sucked this ALDS 08. were complaining about the philosophy of our hitters. is it the batting coach that tells the hitters how to hit? we have what we have. its not the FA or trades that bring in the hitters that we have. its throughout the organization. so who’s fault is that? i know alot of you guys are hating on Hatch. i always that the BC was the guy who helped out the hitters work on mechanics and help motivate them. so is it his job to tell the organization on how the hitters should approach hitting?

by HALO_86 on Dec 3, 2008 10:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hatcher

Mickey Hatcher made sure to sit next to young players like Erick Aybar and Howie Kendrick in the dugout. “I’d tell them, ‘Look what Tex is doing up there,’” Hatcher says. “‘You see that pitch he just took? You see that pitch he just fought off?’”

Sound like a guy who is scared of a walk?

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 3, 2008 2:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hitters

so is it the hitters just refusing to listen to the coach? or do we just have a flaw with the hitters we draft? sometimes i feel like if a free swinging team like the Angels win the world series or at least start scoring more runs, then does that change the opinion of the fans that hate our approach?

by HALO_86 on Dec 3, 2008 3:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel like we draft far more free swingers

Salmon, Glaus, Napoli, pre-2008 Kotch, are examples of homegrown patient hitters.

There just aren’t enough of them.

I am sure Scioscia knows the importance of a walk and working the pitch count.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 3, 2008 3:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looking at some stats

i was looking at the team stats on espn site. Rays and Angels had similar stats when it came to the hitting and pitching. i just couldn’t find RISP. how did the Rays come up big on the Redsox while we got beat?

looking back to 02 i didn’t realize how good are team pitching was back then. i always thought it was the hitting that helped us get over.

by HALO_86 on Dec 3, 2008 5:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They hit a ton of HR's in that series.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 3, 2008 5:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 2002 pitching was sneaky good

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 3, 2008 5:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bullpen

was sick good. talk about lights out closer in Percival.

by HALO_86 on Dec 3, 2008 5:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never a doubt when he came in

Frankie on the other hand…………………..

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 4, 2008 2:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It means something but it

means a hell of a lot more to Lackey and his agent thats all. All those accolades have gotten the Angels ZERO wins in the playoffs since his outstanding performance in game 7 of the WS. Lackey is 0-3 with ERA over 4.00 Sabathia hasn’t been much better I know.

Is Lackey one of the top pitchers around sure he is. Just think when you are counting Cy Young awards and All Star appearances CC gets a leg up. I like Lackey and he is a solid pitcher but your giving him a little more credit then he has earned.

He has never lead the league in wins any year (2nd this year)

Top ten in K’s 2 out of 6+ in his career (Sabathia 5 out of 8)

I still sign him to the extension just trying to keep some of the things in perspective. Just not one to call another one stupid.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Nov 30, 2008 4:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he has never led the league in wins

maybe that is why he is holding out to see how the offense is doing to sign his extension.
Roger clemens in 211 innings one year had a 1.87 ERA (1st), 185 Ks (10th in the league), had the second lowest WHIP, and the least hits/9 allowed.
According to ERA+, that was the 13th greatest season ever for a pitcher (7th greatest since 1915). How many wins did he have? 13.
Wins depend on the offense. It doesnt matter if you pitch a CG 1 ER 1 hitter if your team doesnt score.

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Nov 30, 2008 4:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree

you can pitch great but W/L might not show up good in the end. like when i say he ins’t a Ace, its becaue i think there might only be 10 aces in this league. thats why there soo valuable. theres alot of very good #2 which i put Lackey in because he hasn’t had that year where he absolutely dominates.

by HALO_86 on Nov 30, 2008 5:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2007 begs to differ

3.01 ERA, 19 wins (again use it as you wish), led the league in ERA+, 1st in shutouts, 4th in innings

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Nov 30, 2008 10:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

your right

but in 07 he still got outpitched by Beckett.

by HALO_86 on Dec 1, 2008 10:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so still, the second best pitchre in the american league=ACE

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Dec 1, 2008 6:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Broken Record

Could be the hitters and defenders fault no?

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2008 2:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Placed 3rd in CY Young because

Chris Carpenter was having the 11th best season? I understand what your saying. I was just commenting on the fact that his information was not correct.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Nov 30, 2008 11:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only reason I asked

is because I am the same way about the whole thing. I have never worn a jersey with a players name on it in my life and I won’t. I have worn Angel gear/logo because I am a Angel Fan. It isn’t some love affair with a player(s) but instead the team. I don’t give passes to the players when they are idiots on or off the field either. Your feelings about Lackey are fine by me. I am guessing you still root for him each 5 day when he takes the mound though. Just keep him away from your sister

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

by Angel Aviator on Nov 30, 2008 10:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well yeah!

I was rooting for these guys long before I had ever heard of Lackey, and will continue to do so regardless of who is wearing that uniform. I love these guys, but I’ll boo the shit out of each and every one them if I ever see them at the Big A without halos on their hats. I have nothing but respect for their business decisions and doing what’s best for them, but as far as the game is concerned, I see two teams: the Angels, and Not the Angels, and I despise the latter.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Dec 1, 2008 12:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Angel 4 Life

Lackey… no matter who we do or do not sign…

by Rev Halofan on Nov 28, 2008 7:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen !

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 29, 2008 11:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LACKEY

I do not ever want to see him wearing a different uniform.

Re-sign him now at the somewhat cheaper rate so that this doesn’t become a real issue later.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 28, 2008 9:02 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know Lackey wants to be extened before the season starts

and i’d like to see it happen.
he’s not a $20MM/yr pitcher, but i’d give him around $15-16MM

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 28, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lackey needs to be kept red

Letting him go would be nuts.

"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys

by Zoe Necrosis on Nov 28, 2008 10:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

if Santana continues in this awesome trend, we’d have a replacement ace.

but i’d rather have both of those guys going 1-2. talk about a great combo…

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 28, 2008 10:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I predict next postseason he throws a shutout first round.

   Then it won’t matter what his offense does (basically), However, it will require his defense to make the plays. Let’s remember that last postseason, it was our defense just as much as our offense that let us down.
    As for his comments, he is a first class competitor, and he recognized what we all did about the team.

by Big Bad , "VLAD"! on Nov 29, 2008 12:12 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tex the most important move?

Don’t let the hype get to you. Peavy and CC. Said it before, I will say it again. And of course we will resign Lackey. Tex is pie in the sky.

Now if Tex will sign for 22/6, we have something to talk about. But he will have to do it at or BEFORE mid Dec.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Nov 29, 2008 2:55 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tex is pie in the sky?

Mike Scioscia, is that you?

we need offense, man. did you even watch this past season?

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 29, 2008 9:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weave and Howie for Peavy

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Nov 30, 2008 3:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Angels are going to extend Lackey

They know they have a home grown Ace, who is a fan (and Strike Force) favorite. His assumed extension money is already accounted for before these signings, so you Lackey faithful can rest easy.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Nov 29, 2008 9:53 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

original post was CC or Lackey

i think we’re only going after CC if Teix is out of reach for us, right? CC is option B this off-season. if we sign CC theres no reason why we can’t and wouldn’t sign Lackey to an extension. now the big ? is if we don’t sign Teix and go after CC and sign him. is the Peavy rumors serious? do u think we’re going to really trade for him? if we do then doesn’t that mean Peavy because of the money he’s going to make, put him in our #2 slot and then that would mean Lackey wouldn’t get the money from us?

by HALO_86 on Nov 29, 2008 10:05 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only 5 players with contracts for 2010.

Hunter 18M, GMJ 11M, Shields 5.3M, Speier 5.25M and KMO 700,000. Hunter and GMJ are the only 2 players with contracts for 2011.

Peavey is 8M for 2009. Then jumps to 15M,16M,17M, and 22M option (4M buyout)

Of course there is a few players that will see their contracts inflate as they get closer to FA and have arbitration years. Lackey will get the contract unless he goes into the FA pool. Never know what can happen there.

Willie Mays Aikens is FREeeeeeeee

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