Halos Heaven: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Race to the Roses & BCS Bowl Predictions

DON'T READ THIS THREAD IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO TALK POLITICS.
Do NOT be respectful. Don't be nice, don't be thin-skinned, please BE offensive, brash and rabidly unforgiving to those who disagree with you. Please ridicule your opponents and mock your enemies.
BUT: No obscenities, no racism, no breeder-or-gay-bashing, and no pictures of fat chicks in bikinis will be tolerated.

about 1 year ago 4323_1105939621665_1622022962_290465_5300842_n_tiny Rev Halofan 576 comments 0 recs  | 

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Just got done voting!

No on hate, no on 8!

And Yes on Obama!

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 8:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

no on 8 baby

no point in arguin the big one now cuz it was over weeks ago

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 4, 2008 8:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about how many Republicans are in Orange County...

but it doesn’t matter, cuz thanks to the electoral college, California goes to OBAMA

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 8:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thats fine if obama wins and if you support him

but your argument sounds idiotic when you start comparing republicans do nazis. no different than when republicans compare obama with several notable communists.

by NoDakHalo on Nov 4, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite

Was the Republican-sponsored flyer in Pennsylvania that went out to Jewish voters: “Don’t make the same tragic mistake your ancestors in Germany did.” It’s on the web somewhere, just too lazy to look it up, GA-style.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, well that's what it feels like...

You know how the fundamentalist Christians are supposed to love and forgive? Well it seems like that faction has dominated the Republican party and their message has turned from love and acceptance into hate and oppression. I could care less either way what your religious or political views are, I just think that the McCain campaign has made this election into something else. Total hate and smear tactics. I, for one, am tired of American citizens civil liberties being trampled on.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean like GAY PEOPLE not getting the same rights as EVERYONE ELSE.

Wake up

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL

You do know that gays can marry in CA and several other states legally right now don’t you? Not that the President has much say over state’s rights in this area, but you do know that this all happened under Satan himself, GW Bush, right?

Is that the best you can come up with?

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you forget

that Bush wanted to make a US constitutional amendment banning gay marriage?

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wanting and "trampling" are 2 different things

If you want to see an example of “civil rights getting trampled,” look into Afghanistan under Taliban rule, China, Iran, and North Korea.

You, on the other hand, can do pretty much what ever the hell you want.

Any other examples?

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I live in the USA

I’m more worried about our civil rights.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yet you cannot identify any of YOUR civil rights...

…that are being or have been “trampled.”

Feel free to give an example anytime now…

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's ok if you want to not agree with anything I've said...

This forum is basically gonna be red vs blue, and we all know that neither one of us are going to agree on anything. And now it doesn’t matter. Bush will be out soon and Obama will be in.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 8:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't disagree with you if you don't give any examples

Spewing liberal talking points isn’t enough.

Anyway, looks like BHO has wrapped it up. Hopefully you will get all of your civil rights back and BHO can halt the descent of US into a Nazi Germany.

Peace.

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, stupid liberals

Maybe they should all die in a fire

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very big of you

I bet you live in Newport Beach

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where's the fun in that?

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what, you wanna have a room in my newport house or something?

I’m sure that’s one of the “ideals” of Obama’s socialism. Hardworking wealthy Americans being forced to house the homeless / “less fortunate”.

by BoulderBrian on Nov 4, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's totally the plan...

Why don’t you go drive around in your Hummer and then beat your wife.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you should at least look up SOCIALISM in an encyclopedia

And stop buying into the Republican bullshit.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

im a freaking econ business major

you should go get an education, you might learn what the electoral college is and how it has nothing to do with “… thanks to the electoral college, California goes to OBAMA.”

And about socialism:
“a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society,”

that is exactly what Obama wants if you happened to hear anything he has said in the last year. Even tonight, he said we need to come together to work for the common good, which is what an egalitarian society is all about. And lastly, you might want to get your head checked, there is no vast right wing conspiracy. Here is a link to help you find a psychologist.

by BoulderBrian on Nov 4, 2008 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You have that all stored in your head?

Or did you need to find it online. You make me laugh. Bitter and defeated is what you are.

Because of the electoral college, OBAMA WINS CALIFORNIA. THAT’S THE WAY IT WORKS. He won the majority.

Any of you idiots who think Obama wants a socialist America are RETARDED. Way to warp the things a smart man says.

Oh yeah, you live in a blue state, in case you forgot. If you wanna make a difference, go move to Ohio.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 11:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"better and defeated is what you are"

what do you think you are yoda or something? Yoda didn’t type in caps. Oh, and I don’t live in California Yoda.

by BoulderBrian on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I'm Yoda

Thank God you don’t live in California. Your vote wouldn’t have mattered anyway.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 5, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You too

Can suck it.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you recall the origins of Nazi Germany?

A young, charasmatic, well spoken politician promised “change” to an economically struggling Germany.

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh please, you can't even START to compare Hitler to Obama

that’s insanity

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But OP can basically compare McCain to Hitler?

“I’m tired of the USA slowly turning into nazi Germany.”

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In general I think it’s a lousy comparison, but it didn’t state McCain was Hitler

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So then you agree...

…that the “US is slowly turning into Nazi Germany?”

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just for the record...

…it was chairmanofthebar’s analogy.

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I said it was a bit extreme

Didn’t know everyone was going to get all crazy over it. :P

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 5, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not comparing McCain to Hitler

I’m comparing the oppression this country is starting to feel to that of nazi controlled Germany. And yes, it’s a little extreme of a comparison. I’m just pissed off about the way things have been.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just out of curiosity...

…how have you personally been “opressed?”

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

really?

In what ways has the government made your life harder? and how have you felt oppression?

by UCIHalo on Nov 4, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unwarranted wire tapping of US citizens just for one.

And you would not know it unless the CIA came knocking at the door, then it would’nt matter.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Nov 4, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You really should provide context

Do you mean that Big Brother can just listen to your phone conversations for fun?Or is it a method the government can utilize to prevent future terrorist attacks?

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It really seems like you guys are all responding to my remarks

with the same robotic statements you hear from all the Republican pundit a’holes. How has the gov’t made my life harder? Are you serious? First of all, they have entered us into an unjust war and let thousands of people die, the unemployment rate is skyrocketing, they’ve let the cost of gas balloon like never before and now the economy is failing. If you still back the GOP and President Dumbf**k, then you really need to take a step back and look at the big picture. They’re screwing us all over, not just one or two of us.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

jews

not to get all pc on you because i am not that kind of person…but being a jew and havinf family not make it out of germany i think its a little harsh to compare our country to nazi germany…..dont get me wrong bush and his friends are the devil…..but they arent putting me in a camp and making a lamp out of my family

by surfpunk on Nov 4, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it's a little extreme

I apologize. But we need to take the country back. Country of the people, by the people, and for the people? Not when the president starts a war without the consent of Congress. Who knows what the future would hold for us all if McCain got elected?

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Get a f'n clue man

Bush had the consent of Congress to invade Iraq (albeit under questionable pretenses), which, you may or may not realize includes Democrats.

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, no he didn't

and he invaded a sovereign nation.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and he lied about the facts

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A bit of a simplification, but OK

Hence my qualification. (That’s what I meant by “questionable pretenses”)

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You should just stop now

House Vote

Senate Vote

(The House and the Senate are the two parts of Congress)

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 7:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(The House and the Senate are the two parts of Congress)

do NOT be so damned patronizing

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you feel compelled to defend this guy?

Or did you also believe that Congress did not vote to invade Iraq?

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 7:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not defending anyone

I just think it’s stupid to feel you need to define Congress as the House of Reps and the Senate.

No one is saying Congress didn’t vote to invade. The problem is they LIED about the alleged ‘weapons of mass destruction’. They completely fabricated crap and used Colin Powell and others as their war bitches and then got caught in their web.

They used false and misleading information so Bush could avenge Daddy’s attempted murder. He came into office in 2000 vowing to be the war president. He got his wish.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 7:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Look up

charimanofthebar posted that Bush did not have Congressional approval to invade Iraq. It wasn’t directed at you. For his stupidity and ignorance, he earned my patronizing post.

I agree with almost everything else you said though. I disagree that BHO is the answer. We’ll find out starting tomorrow.

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 8:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I must be a horrible person...

No one should have a different opinion then you or try to stand up for me.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Want to change your answer...

…about Congress approving the Iraq invasion?

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 8:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Want to stop defending a retarded war criminal?

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Reading is fundamental

Nowhere have I defended GWB. In fact, I despise him for what he has done to the R party.

ROFL—so you still believe that Congress did not authorize the invasion?

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 8:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe what was proposed then...

Is way different then where we are now. Let’s just agree to disagree. GO OBAMA!

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nonsense, but whatever

You win. The Devil has been deposed.

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ajax

as I said before, the guy is an idiot. Don’t even bother debating. You presented him with straight-up facts backed up by documentation and he is still in denial. Let the asshole have the last word. It’ll just prepare you for the insane barrage of arrogance you’ll witness tomorrow when Obama is declared Chairman.

by Higz on Nov 4, 2008 8:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh so bitter

You can suck it

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Robotic remarks?

Too funny.

You are the one comparing the US to Nazi Germany and claiming opression and that your civil rights are being trampled. However, you have failed to provide one concrete example of any of the foregoing—just ad nauseum regurgitation of the political talking points that are woven into the scripts of network TV shows.

If you are OK with a president that sat in a congregation presided over by an anti-American, racist reverend for 18 years, that’s cool.

G-damn AmeriKKKa, right?

That’s the “change” we need!

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I've presented plenty of examples...

You’ve just refused to accept them. And I am perfectly fine with him sitting in that congregation. I don’t give a damn about religion and it has no place in politics. What excuses will you bring up now? You still wanna hide behind your faith?

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

McCain 2000

McCain 2008 is too busy s—ing off the special interests he used to fight…

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Er

That is to say, McCain 2000 would have agreed. And I would have voted for him (maybe).

The 2008 sell-out version, not so much.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Obama = 2nd biggest recipient of Fannie Mae $

You have to start with the premise that both candidates are bought and sold by lobbyists then go from there.

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

links? facts?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad

He was #3.

Not that it matters….

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hardly think a 19yr span is accurate

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/us/politics/10fannie.html

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the link
Mr. Obama, his Democratic rival from Illinois, is second among members of Congress in donations from the firms’ employees and political action committees.

Beyond the antilobbyist message, Mr. Obama also indicts the Bush administration and the Republicans who controlled Congress for a dozen years until 2007, including Mr. McCain.

He blames them for lax regulation that freed the companies to go deep into debt to buy the mortgages that crushed them as the housing crisis persisted. Yet his fellow Democrats in Congress have been well known as enablers of the two companies for years, protecting the firms’ dueling responsibilities to support affordable housing as well as to maximize shareholder profits.

I acknowledged that both canddiates are bought and sold by lobbyists, and you asked for a link, which I provided. Your very own link supports my premise.

Like I said, not that it matters…

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Intelectually Honesty People

While some of what you stated is true, the fact of the matter is that both political parties are screwing us and gradually taking away our rights/civil liberties in the name of one thing or another. Once people can Objectively listen to both sides and sift thru the bullshit then they will realize that Both Big Political Parties are SCREWING YOU AND ME. If you are Democrat who is passionate then it really feels good to blame the Repulbicans and if you’re a Republican it feels good to point the finger at the Dems.

So depending upon what side of the political aisle you are on, if your party isn’t in charge, then the country is cirlcling the drain. But what most people fail to realize is that the country IS circling the drain because of Both parties.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 4, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

We need a viable 3rd party

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Then we need a whole new government as the system we have now is basically a two party system.

Even as it stands now, the few independents have to caucus with one of the two parties to pass legislation.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Nov 4, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps we need to use that second amendment

Its been alot longer than 20 years since the last rebellion and you gotta believe old Jefferson would be ashamed of all the flag toting patriots that have taken over this country.

by Wytelitning on Nov 4, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lobbyists are the root of all evil

We need to rid the system of lobbyists somehow.

by Ajax on Nov 4, 2008 4:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Luck

Obviously Obama is going to win, so congratulations to him.

But I see disturbing similarities between Obama, Castro, Peron and other “cult of personality” leaders. I hope I’m wrong, but if I’m not, I would hope everyone who voted Obama admits their mistake a few years from now. He promised so many things impossible to do at once that I’m amazed he didn’t promise a cape so everyone can fly.

Now THAT should start a flame war.

P.S. Bush is an A-hole, and I meant to vote for Ron Paul’s endorsed candidate, but I did not see him listed at the machine.

by elricsi on Nov 4, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Reagan

Reagan, you probably remember, was also all about the cult of personality. As was Palin, at first.

Somehow you don’t see conservatives saying that was a bad thing.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

obama all the way..

i feel like a little kid waking up on christmas morning. QUESTION: how can a candidate be an elitist, socialist and terrorist all at the same time? if rush, o’reilly and hannity say so then it must be true. stop drinking the kool-aid whether it’s red or blue. truth over team, country over party. and to all you righties out there, WHEN obama is elected, get down from the ledge, it’s going to be all right.

by thejd on Nov 4, 2008 9:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

HA

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Nov 4, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Except Franken

Is soon to longer be a political pundit….but a United States Senator! Thereby increasing his credibility a thousand-fold…;-D

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot Marxist

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

VOTE MCCAIN!!!

…and yes on 8.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 9:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

LOL

i knew you would post something like that….i did the same thing.

by SCHalo on Nov 4, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

:)

hahaha

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yay for traditional marriage!!!!

yay for the biggest backers of this propostion coming from the mormon church, since they’ve always believed in traditional marriage!!!

jon stewart got it best.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=189782&title=i-now-denounce-you-chucklarry

by linkbruin on Nov 4, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn that was funny!

Especially that weird looking chick and the last guy! LOL

by stolenbases on Nov 5, 2008 4:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Screw 'em both

Vote third party

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Nov 4, 2008 9:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what Wicked E's going to say

when Obama wins.

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering why Nader isn't getting any play this election

I think either its a tired story and the media is tired of it
or
it’s a subconscious effort to keep him from causing trouble like he did in 2000
probably the former, but you never know.

by UCIHalo on Nov 4, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What's a limited-government type of voter to do?

I voted for Barr.

The '56 LA Angels (PCL) cap logo...a classic.

by MurrietaMick on Nov 4, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto.

Registered Libertarian and all that.

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Nov 7, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To the "yes on 8"

Can someone explain to me how two gays getting married threatens your marriage?

IMHO, if that’s the case, your marriage has bigger problems…

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Nov 4, 2008 9:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

you don't want gay marriage, don't marry the same sex

don’t tell me it affects our kids.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

look at the examples

and then we can talk.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

examples of what?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the Mass. schools

and what’s already happened in this state

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, you mean

The falsified tripe the yes on 8 ads have been spewing?

Show me the money.

I want links.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

falsified trip?

i saw the story when it first came out.

LINK TO TRIP STORY

or how about this one?

LINK TO OTHER STORY

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And your point?

Doesn’t look to me like that teacher said “Oooooh gay marriage, Ima gonna indoctrinate my students! Let me find me a wedding somewhere that I can take them to!”

No, she was getting married, thought her kids could watch if they wanted to.

More importantly, it was HER INDIVIDUAL DECISION. NOT THE SCHOOL’S. NOT THE STATE’S.

Look, I’d be somewhat disturbed if my kids (should I someday have them) were taken to such a wedding, without my permission. I’d want to talk to them about it, afterward, so make sure they understood what was going on and what it meant. That might be called, you know, responsible, involved parenting (I’m not making any claims that I will, in fact, be a responsible parent, but the point still stands).

But the simple fact is, the state is not going to mandate that your kids have homosexual marriages, or that they be taught about it in schools.

Nice try.

Funny how I wouldn’t see you complaining if that teacher had taken her kids to see her get a heterosexual marriage.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AND

EVERY single kid who attended that event had his/her parents’ EXPRESS, WRITTEN CONSENT

California law is different than Mass. law. Marriage is not “taught” in schools in California, whatsoever. Prop 8 does not change one thing about the state education code. Its sole purpose is to force a religious viewpoint on everyone, and take away a fundamental right held by all citizens.

What’’s next? The Irish can’t own property? Jews can’t vote?

by jjackflash on Nov 4, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what's next? Roe v Wade

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the next logical step

should be separate gay drinking fountains, so I don’t get indoctrinated with their PRO-GIVING-AIDS-WITH-DRINKING-FOUNTAINS agenda.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 4, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

gay marriage is legal now in California

the effects are staggering

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what are the effects?

seriously. i’m curious.

by NoDakHalo on Nov 4, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was being sarcastic to howie's comment

the Mass. schools

and what’s already happened in this state

I wanted to know what’s happened in this state….

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Point about Marriage

Andrew Sullivan (Blogger for the Atlantic) makes a very strong argument with this fact hauldog. Sullivan argues that with our current society no longer condemning single parents and single parent households, there should be something appealing to conservatives that homosexuals want to uphold the sanctity and privilege of marriage.

by HaloFanInDC on Nov 4, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to know what you think will happen if Prop 8 passes

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think gay people will stop being gay?

Or maybe they and the supporters of civil rights will fight harder than ever.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I almost missed the validity in your second point

because your first point was so silly.
No, gay people will continue to be gay. and yes it will only be a matter of time before something passes that allows gay people to marry. In my opinion,
However people still have the right to vote how ever they want in this election.

by UCIHalo on Nov 4, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Silly?

It’s a legitimate question. I really don’t understand why people want to eliminate gay marriage. It just makes no sense to me. BTW, the CA economy went way up when gay people started getting married out here.

The time is out of joint; oh cursed spite, that ever I was born to set it right.

by chairmanofthebar on Nov 4, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

whatever happened to voting what you believe in?

personally, i believe homosexuality is wrong (not a bash… just my beliefs). so, I don’t want my state to tolerate and celebrate (like it has been recently). therefore, i’m voting against it.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yup, let's teach kids intolerance

what if one of your kids is gay?

hate to remind you, but gays had heterosexual parents and still grew up to be gay. It’s not contagious

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wait, you cant use logic with homophobes

they prefer to keep it good and ignorant. probably bummed blacks, latinos, and asians are allowed to marry his white women too.

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 4, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

can I say then

don’t ram your religious beliefs down my throat and make the state constitution a religious document?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think he was ramming anything down your throat

he was simply stating his position on the measure.

by NoDakHalo on Nov 4, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"your" was the general 'your' not howies

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's take religion completely out of it.

The bottom line with the Homosexuality issue is that IT IS NOT NORMAL to be GAY.

Allow me to explain: If it were meant for us by NATURE/SCIENCE to be GAY then how would we reproduce. So the problem some people have with Homosexuality is that it is not natural. As for how people become gay. Some, I believe were born that way, but I also beleive it was a small percentage. The rest I believe, had something happen to them when they were very young by their parents. Something tramatic.

Let’s also get this clear. I have nothing against Gays. I have friends who are gay. So what. But as I have said to them, don’t tell me your lifestyle is normal because it is not. Again, nobody has to make anyone else accept them for who they are or what they believe in. It goes both ways.

As for the marriage issue, since the inception of the definition of Marriage, it has always been between one man and one woman. That is how it was originally defined, and if it so happens to have been by a religion, than deal with it. They were the first to define it. Facts are Facts.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 4, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

By this logic

we shouldn’t allow marriage rights to anyone with any type of genetic abnormality that goes against productive evolutionary trends.

Or maybe we should also just take them away from people that don’t reproduce?

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 4, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the logic here.

HOWEVER, A MAN WHO IS GAY CAN REPRODUCE IF HE WERE TO HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 4, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't get points, do you?

You’re saying that marriage shouldn’t be given to gays because…it goes against evolutionary trends?

Okay, then don’t allow marriage to anyone with a defect, and don’t allow it to a man with a narrow urethra, or a woman with dysfunctional ovaries.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 4, 2008 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or to Old People

In fact, let’s declare null and void the marriages of everyone over child-bearing age.

by jjackflash on Nov 4, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

if you want to get all historical, originally when a woman married a man, she became his property. She was considered legally dead. Everything she owned became his. I guess you agree with all of that.

Society evolves. People evolve, and become more enlightened.

Why must you TAKE AWAY people’s rights?

What will you think when they come to take away your rights?

by jjackflash on Nov 4, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"gay" is not a 19th century invention. It has ALWAYS existed

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

TRUE

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 4, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i have no problem with gay marriage

but since when are those who are against it automatically homophobes?

by NoDakHalo on Nov 4, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well...

If they’re not, why do they care?

by dmhead on Nov 4, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thats a rather narrow sense of thinking...

you can have gay friends but still be against gay marriage, to put it in the most basic way.

by NoDakHalo on Nov 4, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

which is exactly where i am

i have no problems with the person, i just don’t agree with what they’re doing.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not afraid of people who CHOSE to drink and drive

but I don’t think that they should have the rights/License to drive. Perhaps those that are against Homosexual Marriage Believe it sets a BAD EXAMPLE.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 4, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Drunk driving infringes on your rights

mainly, your right to life should their actions directly lead to your death or liberty as they have in thousands of cases.

On the other hand, gay marriage does nothing to infringe on your rights, nor is there a legitimate argument that proves that it does.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 4, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AIDS

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 4, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what about AIDS?

it’s an auto-immune disease that didn’t start because someone was gay. Should we exterminate all Africans since that is where it originated?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

UH.....I DON'T THINK SO ! ! !

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...and what I mean is

I don’t think we should exterminate all Africans. HOW STUPID !

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In the US, AIDS is perceived as a "gay disease"

This is not the case in the rest of the world.

AIDS is not the result of homosexuality. This is an ignorant stance. HIV is a virus that crossed over from chimps to humans. How it jumped is still unclear. What it from having sex with chimps? Was it from eating chimps? I don’t know.

What I do know is it didn’t happen from men having sex with other men.

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody here is arguing about WHERE

AIDS came from. And to the other point someone else made, perceived in the USA is all that matters where I live (USA) not in Africa where AIDS IS NOT A HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM as much as REAL MAJOR PROBLEM to all due to lack of EDUCATION and Sexual Promiscuity (which is not an issue for Responsible Humans). But back to REALITY in the USA: AIDS is, whether you want to admit it or not, primarily a disease that is Clearly more of a problem with GAY MEN. Just look at the numbers. The majority of humans living in the USA that have AIDS are GAY MEN. Just as it is correct for those who call Lung Cancer a Smoker’s Disease, even though people can get Lung Cancer without ever smoking or being around second hand smoke. The numbers don’t lie.

Bottom Line: The Majority of people with AIDS in the USA got it because of THEIR CHOICE OF LIFESTYLE ! ! ! Drug Users, Gay Men, Straight People with Multiple Partners who happen to be Current or Past Bi-Sexual Men or Current and/or Past Needle Using Druggies.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

being gay was not what transmitted the disease

you said it. it was their lifestyle. Not a gay lifestyle, but having unprotected sex lifestyle. Believe it or not there are straight people with the same lifestyle that have AIDS!

This is a lame argument. I just can’t believe the ignorance you are spewing.

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 5, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

I always thought that allowing an institution that would promote monogamous relationships between consenting sexual partners would be GOOD for slowing the spread of AIDS.

But that’s crazy old me.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 4, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

silly man

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy Silly Ol' You...

First of all, Gay or Straight: Marraige (unless both parties getting married stick to the VOWS), does NOT gaurantee monogamy !

Second: The majority of GAYS, don’t want to get married. For Example, GAY MEN. News Flash !!!! Gay or Straight, Most MEN do have one thing in Common, we are wired in a way that makes Most men want to have sex with whatever we find attractive (depending upon your sexual orientation. Since women are not wired the same way as men when it comes to sex, guess who is getting more of it, staight men or gay men?? Gay men. The choice of whether a human chooses to be monogamous is based upon their own CHOICE to be for their own reasons. With all of that being said, the lifestyle of Gay men leads to more sex with more partners and also increases the chances of the spread of diseases, such as AIDS.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

minor correction on your constitutional analysis

Just as a small constitutional note on the equal protection clause under the14th, and one that is probably more related to immigration issues than anything else (which has admittedly not been as big of an issue as I somewhat expected prior to the economic issues), but equality is not just a fundamental right to “All U.S. Citizens,” but rather “Any person” within US Jurisdiction. There is a constitutional recognition that legal and even illegal aliens deserve the protection.

And I would simply like to echo your sentiments Clutch about the need to not pass prop 8

by HaloFanInDC on Nov 4, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I was focusing on the equal protection part and trying to summarize the rest of the 14th amendment.

Though, on looking back at the 14th Amendment, the opening does say: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof…” We could parse commas all day, but I interpret that as saying the jurisdictional element comes in after meeting the “born or naturalized” prerequisite.

But that might not matter, as the precursor to the specific equal protection phrase at the end of Section 1 says “nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction.” So that could be interpreted more broadly.

Again, I’m a 1L, and haven’t formally taken formal Constitutional Law yet, so I’m just basing this on linguistics and other historical understanding.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Privilege and Immunites clause versus EP and Due Process

I was simply trying to highlight that under the first part of the second sentence in section 1, you have a clear delineation that “No State….of citizens”, while the second half of the second part pertaining to equal protection and due process only speak in terms of “any person.” So a legal alien would not be afford protection by the first part of the sentence, they would clearly qualify for equal protection and due process.

And an OT note, unless your school is different than mine (2L currently) you’ll have to take Con Law II before you get into any of the interesting 14th Amendment stuff. Con Law I was all about separation of powers, Judicial Review and the more basic structural stuff (i.e. a hell of a lot more boring)

by HaloFanInDC on Nov 4, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

Well that sucks. But yeah, I think we’re in agreement on the point about the EPC, above.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

because conservatives arent content living their own life

they have to regulate how others live theirs too. and theyd prefer to raise their kids to be homophobic and hateful of people different than them rather than raise them to be tolerant and accepting

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 4, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i love how it's okay for you to have a certain set of beliefs that i should conform to

but not the other way around.

really tolerant and accepting, huh?

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

im not asking you to marry a man

im saying you shouldnt have any say in determining whether a homosexual is equal to you. tell me how does it effect you other than you dont agree with it? I dont agree with owning a gun but i dont see that as a reason why you shouldnt be able to. I worry about myself, not telling you what you can do

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 4, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that's the beauty of this country

if you don’t believe in something, you can vote against it. it sounds like you don’t want me to vote for this measure because YOU don’t like my stance.
I don’t have to justify my stance to you… I plan on following my convictions and beliefs and voting in such a manner.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no you don't have to justify anything

you just have to live with it

I refuse to allow religious holy rollers to teach my children intolerance and discrimination

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

religion has no place in a state constitution

isn’t there such a thing as separation of church & state?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm religious

Some might say very much so.

I don’t have a family, yet. But when I hopefully someday do have a family, I do NOT want other people in other denominations telling my children what they must believe and that the way I’m raising them is wrong.

In high school, I was told by a teacher or two that I was going to H-ll for being of my denomination (which is, in fact, one of the largest Christian denominations in the country). It was a private, religious HS, so that was to be expected.

But I will NEVER tolerate that happening to my kids. Especially in a public school.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree

And I’m a Christian!

And just for the record intolerance and discrimination are at odds with Jesus’ teachings, yet Christians are the worst offenders! Oh the hypocrisy!

No on 8.

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hypocrisy?

maybe you should read Bible before you call me a hypocrite.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're saying

That intolerance and discrimination ARE in the Bible?

Which version are you reading, exactly?

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I read the Bible

Tell me what book Jesus says to hate?

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you disagree

without infringing on the rights of others?

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

who decides what is someone's right

courts? Society? we know its not God?

by UCIHalo on Nov 4, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

good question!

pretty muddy waters huh?

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hate?

nowhere near it.

i never ONCE said i hate homosexuals. i plainly stated that i DISAGREE with it. that’s a LONG WAY OFF from hate. so don’t give me that.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

tell me what the book or Romans says about homosexuality. How about 2 Timothy? (or maybe it’s 1 Timothy… i don’t remember which one it is)

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I need to look into Timothy

But Paul was talking about pederasty in Romans in my opinion.

Maybe hate was a bit hyperbole? :)

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how is pederasty not homosexuality?

and yes, hate was a far stretch.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Having just done a thesis on this topic...

I can tell you that if Paul was talking simply about pederasty, he would have almost certainly used a different greek word.

by S0uthie on Nov 4, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

where does it say they shouldn't?

:)

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not sure where

but the Bible certainly has issues with homosexuality. maybe not the words of Jesus, though…

by NoDakHalo on Nov 4, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It all comes down to the translation from the original language

People can make pretty strong arguments that the Bible isn’t as anti-homosexual as perceived.

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

people can make pretty strong arguments

that the sky is actually purple, too.

doesn’t mean it’s true. =D

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but those are very weak arguments.

by S0uthie on Nov 4, 2008 4:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but...

The Bible cannot be the basis for any laws.

See the First Amendment and the Fourteenth (which extended it to the states).

Or… perhaps we should outlaw eating pork?

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Nov 4, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but it can be the basis for my beliefs.

which is what i stand on.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my question to

How is it that your beliefs are “better” for the people as a whole that you would say that a pair of consenting adults can’t marry.

by Seik1177 on Nov 4, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blind Faith

Because it’s written in his Bible so that makes it so. If there is any doubt, his pastor will “interpret” the Bible to remove any such doubt. This is a religious war, nothing more nothing less, otherwise all those christians would accept a Supreme Court decision and move on. After all they will always have their abortion issue to spend their time and money on. Bucnch of Haters.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Nov 4, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

* Bunch

Radical Christians just are’nt happy unless they have someone or a group to persecute all the time. They can’t exist without a devil figure to point too nad identify themselves as “the good” and the object of their hate as “the evil.”

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Nov 4, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so in your mind

it is between what is naturally right and good and insane radical, religious people.

by UCIHalo on Nov 4, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Bible says a lot of things. Here's a pretty topical quote from West Wing

Bartlet: “I like your show. I like how you call homosexuality an abomination.”
Jacobs: “I don’t say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr. President. The Bible does.”
Bartlet: “Yes it does. Leviticus.”
Jacobs: “18:22.”
Bartlet: “Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I have you here. I’m interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff Leo McGarry insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here’s one that’s really important because we’ve got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you? One last thing: while you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits.” – The West Wing

by linkbruin on Nov 4, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nice

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes the hypocrisy

How about the $25 million offered up by the Mormons to foot the bill for Prop. 8. Imagine an entire group of people forced to settle out in Utah partly because the government would not recognize their polygamous marital practices trying to alter the constitution to enforce marriage between one man and one woman in California.

The beautiful hypocrisy.

by Wytelitning on Nov 4, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Leviticus 20:13,10,15

13 " ’If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

It also Says……..

10 " ‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

 15 " ’If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

If you are no on 8, what would be your stance if people want to marry animals? I voted Yes on 8 because of my beliefs and the way I was raised, therefore I am also against adultery and relationships with animals.

And whats with the equal rights thing? WE ALL HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS. We are all free to marry a woman, and we are all not able to marry our same sex, so whats the problem?

Sorry if any of this sounds stupid, its just my view and I dont mean to offend anyone. I dont have anything against gay people, but I do not agree with their life style. I have 2 friends from highschool that are gay and still talk to them. When I found out they thought that I was not going to talk to them anymore. I told them, “Look your still the same person that I was friends with so why would I stop talking to you. If you choose to be with a guy, thats your choice. Just dont act any different around me, and I wont act any different around you.”

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Nov 4, 2008 6:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Animals can't give informed consent.

We are all free to marry a woman

Women aren’t.

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Nov 5, 2008 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

elaborate, then.

What exactly are your beliefs? What specifically is it about gay marrige that threatens you so?

by dmhead on Nov 4, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

here's my guess...tell me if i'm wrong, howiestheman

two guys don’t make a baby
two girls don’t make a baby

the guy goes to church, the church preaches the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman and the importance of family. if families were meant to be made between two men and two women, then they would be able to. the fact of the matter is that the higher being, be it science or some sort of God, made it so that a man and a woman are meant to reproduce and raise children. that simple.

i don’t think he is threatened by gays or gay marriage, i don’t think he hates gays, i don’t think he is homophobic. the guy simply believes that marriage is something that was meant for a man and a woman to share. nothing more, nothing less.

disclaimer (again): i could care less if gays get married, but just because other people have personal feelings for being against it DOES NOT MAKE THEM HATEFUL OR HOMOPHOBIC.

by NoDakHalo on Nov 4, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you know

That there are gay animals?

http://www.livescience.com/animals/080516-gay-animals.html

And look! Those penguins raised a baby penguin! Too bad that egg couldn’t have just been left out to rot without any other willing or viable parental options.

I’ll bet they “choose” that lifestyle, too.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thats all fine and well

But why are you speaking for him? All he says is “its against my beliefs” which is fine, believe whatever you want. But this is a basic human-rights issue. I don’t believe in marrige, period. But I’d never vote on a measure to ban marrige, because it would deny others of their own rights to engage in that ritual. Gay marrige hurts NO ONE, and in my mind that should be the only driving force. So if its not a homophobic issue, if its not a tolerance issue, then speak up and say it. Otherwise, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…

by dmhead on Nov 4, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm speaking for him because people are putting words in his mouth

and accusing him of being things that he isn’t. that doesn’t allow for very intelligent debate.

by NoDakHalo on Nov 4, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks NoDakHalo

i just got back from voting, so i didn’t have a chance to respond to everything.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

The only intolerance I see here is those who disagree with howiestheman.

by Higz on Nov 4, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

please

you’re logic is ridiculous.

i believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. plain and simple. if there’s something that i can vote on to make sure that remains the same, then i am going to vote on it. plain and simple.

is that so hard to understand?

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so would it be fair

if we voted on whether religious wackos belonged in jail or not? i suppose i’d probably vote yes… would you be ok with that going on the ballot?

by Of Angels and Angles on Nov 4, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not even close to the same thing

but i appreciate the title of “religious wacko”. thanks.

and by all means… vote away.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how is it not the same?

today we vote on an issue that affects (hypothetically) 10% of the population. i could swap out “religious wacko” with “redheads” or “people in wheelchairs.” it would still be ridiculous and wrong.

by Of Angels and Angles on Nov 4, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

some religious wackos should be in jail, of course

but i don’t think this measure is threatening to throw gays who marry in jail. it just doesn’t make it possible.

by NoDakHalo on Nov 4, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It isn't the same

Or maybe it is.

It would be an even more egregious contradiction into the Constitution, which, you know, gives freedom to everyone’s religious views, regardless of how “wacked out” some other people might think they are.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that you do believe that

My question is why? You have the right to believe what you want, but why should it be a law? I wouldn’t want my own personal beliefs to be law, because it would be unfair to those who don’t share those beliefs. I’m honestly not trying to attack you here, but I can never get a straight answer out of anyone other than “its my beliefs”. I want to know what it is that you think makes gay marrige so bad.

by dmhead on Nov 4, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so it's okay for your beliefs to be a law, but not mine?

isn’t that unfair to me?

once again, it’s the beauty of democracy. majority rules (in theory).

we’ll find out tonight what the majority in California is.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds like

your beliefs are what would become law, not his

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Nov 4, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

depends on what happens with the vote.

right now, his beliefs ARE the law.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nobody cares what your beliefs are

i’m assuming you are not gay, so… WHY DOES IT MATTER?

by Of Angels and Angles on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

in this context

clearly you DO care what my beliefs are. that’s the only reason i’m in this discussion

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sure i care

but only because your beliefs infringe upon the rights of millions. the beliefs opposing prop 8 on the other hand have absolutely no effect upon yours. other than that you might hate for gay people to be happy.

by Of Angels and Angles on Nov 4, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

did you even read what I wrote?

I just said I DON’T want my beliefs to be law, out of fairness. I’m genuinely curious as to where this stance comes from, if its not homophobia. Or rather, what harm will come of two men or two women getting married and living their life together? Isn’t that what this country is all about?

by dmhead on Nov 4, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Panther

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are a mormon

That seems to be a good place to start in explaining the Yes on 8

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Nov 4, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

not mormon

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was speaking in generalities not calling you a mormon

The Mormons have rolled a ton of cash into this ballot measure and similar ones in other states

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Nov 4, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Read my post above

It’s pretty obvious why people have a problem with this.

by Wytelitning on Nov 4, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't say it bothered him

Seems to me it was an observation that a particular group has infused the most cash into the Yes campaign. So it might be logical to infer that a person strongly supporting the measure might belong to that particular religious group.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

out of state organzations throwing a lot of money at another state's matter

just like t. boone pickens prop….i have problems with these.

by linkbruin on Nov 4, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Disenfranchised

Re-registered in LA, in September. Received my sample ballot and everything.

Showed up to the polls this morning, and I wasn’t on the rolls. Not even the updated ones. I still got to vote—

Provisionally. So it won’t count unless John McCain suddenly surges ahead in CA…or maybe if 4 and 8 are REALLY, EXTREMELY close.

Yay f—-ed up CA bureaucracy!

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 9:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Soth as VP?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Love the thread.

Wanted to talk politics at OTM, but the mods weren’t approving.

I did some mock MVP ads in the style of the campaign ads a while back. Might be amusing.
Quentin
Morneau

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Nov 4, 2008 10:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Go obama

Go gettem next year, what have we got to lose--Frankie?

by AnaheimHalos61 on Nov 4, 2008 10:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I am voting today...at Orange HS in Orange, in case anybody wants to get wasted while waiting in line with me.

I guess I’ll throw this out there:

I’m voting for Obama and No on 8.

To be honest, I’m still on the fence about Prop 4. It’ll probably be a gametime decision.

Whatever dude.

by Mayheminthehood on Nov 4, 2008 10:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What's Prop 4 about

I’ve caught the jyst of what Prop 8 is

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Nov 4, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't parents have to be present for that anyway???

I thought it was illegal for doctors to perform ANY kind of procedure on a minor without the parent or guardians consent

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Nov 4, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

apparently not.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no, this was on the ballet a few years ago and failed then too.

I’m on the fence too because there are so many “what if” cases.

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ballet? BALLOT!

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a nice idea but this prop is poorly written

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby

by ladybug on Nov 4, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

i just left it blank

by linkbruin on Nov 4, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Abortion

I think that’s probably a more touchy subject then Gay Rights.

could be just me, because homosexuality doesnt bother me.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Nov 4, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

both are quite touchy

but this isn’t about legalizing abortion… it’s just about making sure the parents know.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A HA

I see, sounds like a slam dunk vote to me then, but out here in PA I don’t have to worry about it.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Nov 4, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Slam dunk

The voters didn’t think so the last two times this prop came up. The idea is that social conservative turn-out will be higher this time around.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 4, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was more referring

to what others had said about them not knowing until they get to the polls, IMO it’s a slam dunk, I would immediately vote that the parents would have to be notified. B/c if my daughter was gonna have an abotion I sure as shit would want to be notified.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Nov 4, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

i don’t understand why this one would fail either.

man, our state sucks… :P

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 4, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with you, but you're obviously a good parent

I think the problem is the shitty parents that are abusive. I think that’s what those against it are saying.

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Nov 4, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what are the What if's you were referring to above.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Nov 4, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the people that say vote no on 4

ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR MIND

OK, maybe not out of their mind, but how in the hell are you protecting a teen by not informing the parents. I understand, abusive parents, little girls should think about that when they’re not being safe. the only thing this prop is protecting is a doctor’s ass.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

The strongest valid argument I’ve seen on the No side is that there ARE cases in which the pregnancy results from the parent raping the teen. But again, there are exce