It looks like GA won't accept a part-time role.
GA says he's produced and he was surprised the team didn't pick up the option since he feels that's what he's worth.
"The reason I was a little surprised they didn't pick up my option is I produced. I had a very good season, especially considering how it started. You look at what the market is, and the $11 million is pretty fair market value for my performance. I've been consistent, and I haven't declined."
Now, I haven't been a supporter of bringing GA back because I think he clearly has declined and we need put a better hitter in the LF/DH role. But, one of the arguments made by supporters of bringing him back is that there's still a role for him in some sort of a platoon. I sort of agree that he could be useful in a limited role, but think that someone like Morales and Rivera have more potential and it's worth taking a risk on them.
I don't see how GA fits in on this team in 2009 with his perspective of his performance. We need better production from some who's going to play LF 60% of the time and DH the other 40%.
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by snowhor on Nov 5, 2008 4:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good fo GA.
He is right. The guy did produce. Comparatively GA had just as good if not a better year than many other everyday outfielders. Sure, hes got the age thing working against him but its not like the guy didn’t have a decent year.
On the other hand, I agree that it seems he doesn’t really have a place on this ball club in 2009. Sure, I would love to have him as a part-time role but GA is a good player and deserves an everyday role but it probably isn’t going to be here. And as much as it might be weird to see him in another uniform, I say good for him. The guy deserves it.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Nov 5, 2008 4:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye GA. It has been fun.
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Nov 5, 2008 4:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the part that bothers me is
“i haven’t declined.”
umm… yeah. you have. sorry.
it’s been a nice run GA. have fun in KC or Tampa Bay next year!
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Nov 5, 2008 4:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
if the OF weren't so crowded with dead meat (GMJ), they'd have picked up his option
GA put up career average numbers last year. yeah he’s getting worse in LF, but this guy can still hit very very well. Reagins, you better make a decent offer because someone will pay him well for those numbers.
by yeswecan on Nov 5, 2008 4:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
we don't need another league average outfielder.
we need something better.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Nov 5, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GMJ is a better outfielder than GA
happy with that? not me. i’d rather see GA.
by yeswecan on Nov 5, 2008 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Effect on Rivera
Phillies fan here wondering if there’s any word on the effect this has on the Angels plans for Rivera; seems he would be a good RH bat to pick up for LF if Burrell doesn’t resign. Any reason for Rivera’s poor performance in 08? Still recovering from the leg injury?
by gabramson on Nov 5, 2008 4:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He suffered
from extremely limited and sporadic playing time early in the season and then the Angels finally realized that Gary No-thank-ews Jr. sucked and benched him and then Rivera flourished when he started getting GMJ’s ABs.
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 5, 2008 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about "flourished"
He finished with like a .290 OBP. There is no flourishing there. He definitely improved, but he was still disappointing.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on Nov 5, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
but still he was definitely better than GMJ and he re-discovered his power stroke. If you took his 2nd half numbers and projected them to a full season it was something like 25 HRs and 94 RBIs.
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 5, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has he been mentioned
in Angles offseason plans as a priority?
by gabramson on Nov 5, 2008 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
projections
i think Rivera wasn’t that good last year when he started playing everyday. he only looked good because of who he was replacing. its not like he had the 2nd half in ’06. GMJ i think started to come around in the last month. if you project his numbers out it would probably look pretty good.
by HALO_86 on Nov 5, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rivera
I think the Phillies would be smart to try and sign Rivera over Burrell. If he stays health and gets enough playing time at your park, I feel he can hit at .270 with 25+ homers and drive in 80-90 runs. He just won’t walk like Burrell did and seems to be a little streaky just like Burrell.
IMO Burrell shouldn’t be resigned since you guys still need starting pitching. You guys have the offense, but still don’t have the starting pitching besides Hamels and an unpredictable Myers. Blanton, Moyer, and Kendrick won’t get it done next year if you guys want to repeat.
Btw, Congrats to your Phills for winning the WS.
by stolenbases on Nov 5, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love GA
but if this team wants to improve on offense, he needs to go. You can pencil him in for 15 homers, 90 RBIs, and a .290 BA every year and those are solid numbers but his OBP sucks considering his good BA and OBP has been a problem for the Halos. We need a player who can hit for average, power, and get on base. Hmm…..I wonder where we could find one of those. That Mark Teixeira guy seems to fit the bill. Anyone else ever heard of him?
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 5, 2008 4:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GA - COME BACK!
This is depressing. Even after the Angels declined the option, I was hopeful. This makes me not so hopeful. I’d really like to see him back.
To all those who are saying we don’t need him back – again, I have a couple of things to say:
1. If we sign Tex, which is our number 1 priority, there won’t be money left to sign someone better than a league average OF, which means:
2. We need to stick with what we’ve got in-house, and GA is better than all those options. He’s better than Rivera, who’s a FA anyway. He’s better than GMJ and Willits. He may not be better than Morales, but I anticipate Morales playing right, Vlad DHing, and GA in left, sitting for Willits or GMJ when a lefty’s on the mound.
GA is not what he used to be, but he can still contribute and is better than other options.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on Nov 5, 2008 5:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/offseason-out-9.html
Click the link. If we sign Tex, we’ll still have money. Tex won’t be making 50 million dollars a year.
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 5, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad
why are all of down on Vlad in RF. if that knee is 100% then he’s going to be fine in RF. when he’s able to plant the right leg when he throws. watch out.
by HALO_86 on Nov 5, 2008 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because we want to keep that knee at 100%.
It’s more important for the lineup to have him healthy rather than worn out by playing in the OF.
by snowhor on Nov 5, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
your right
if that knee just can’t be helped then of course put him at DH as much as possible. i’m just saying if that knee is 100% then there isn’t a reason not to put him out there. i understand why he wants to be out there, thats what he’s use to. thats what makes him go.
by HALO_86 on Nov 6, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adios G.A.
Thanks for everything you’ve done for the team IN THE PAST.
In every players career that has been with only one team there comes a time when one has to say goodbye. The Angels have just said Goodbye.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Nov 5, 2008 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
See Ya
No way he puts up a .300 OBP in a full season.
Of course he would have liked the Angels to pick up that option, because no one else is going to pay him anywhere near 11M a year.
Can you think of 1 team that would actually play him full time now? He’s going to have to get used to reality.
by elricsi on Nov 5, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the Rays, the Angels
the angels just didn’t want to pay him $11 million. they’ll offer less.
by yeswecan on Nov 5, 2008 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Help me here...
“No way he puts up a .300 OBP in a full season.”
Do you mean in a full season from here on out? FYI for his career, he has always had an OBP well above 300 (career OBP of 327) the only times he has fallen down near 300 OBP is 2000 and 2005 when he was 307 and 308.
by Downing Rules on Nov 6, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
time to move on.
all resources directed at marky mark
by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 5, 2008 6:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Im sad to hear this
I was really hoping he would take the pay cut and reduced role. I love GA and have been defending him, but he is in the decline and with GMJ and his no trade clause we have a mediocre OF on the books.
He’s a career Angel, and I hope he reconsiders.
by linkbruin on Nov 5, 2008 7:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bye bye GA
GA is crazy if he thinks another team is actually going to offer him 11 million or more for next season.
I actually think he would be a good fit in Tampa Bay if he would be willing to play in RF or if Crawford would move to right. Though his skills have decline, I would take him over Gabe Gross any day!
by stolenbases on Nov 5, 2008 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
“GA is crazy if he thinks another team is actually going to offer him 11 million or more for next season.”
I think he could get tops 6-7mm/yr for 2, MAYBE 3 yrs. It would really suck to see him in another uni though. He’s the only link left to the pre-Disney Angels, and once he is gone, one era of this team comes to an end. This is the crappy part of the baseball business.
The Cowboy would have re-signed him, that’s for damn sure.
Keep in mind, I don't know wtf i'm talking about.
by tdischino on Nov 5, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So in a way
As GA goes, so to does the cowboy.
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by halofan4life on Nov 6, 2008 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GA
before the Angels declined his option, i know most Angels fans that i talked to thought he was being overpaid and we needed to get rid of him. ever since he signed his last contract he has been hurt or hasn’t produced like the player that got that contract extension in the first place. i know must of us understant this is a game but ultimately a bussiness. its not like a regular business were we can keep valuable people around and keep adding young people to the ranks. theres only soo many players on a roster, soo many AB you can give a player. its time to let him go. if he doesn’t want to be a part time player, then let him walk away. you can’t make decision based on how long a player has been here.
by HALO_86 on Nov 6, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers picked up
Mike Cameron’s option at $10 Million.
The market for FA outfielders is higher than most here are willing to admit.
If Mike Cameron’s worth $10 Million, so is GA (more importantly, if Cameron’s worth $10M, what’s Dunn worth?).
GA isn’t what he used to be, I can readily admit that, but he’s better than he gets credit for here.
GA in virtually any other Big League park = 18-23 HR. The LH power bats get punished at the Big A, everyone in baseball knows it.
Prediction: GA signs with the Rays for $9M (one-year contract) and then he hits .300/.340/.800 with 20 HR and 90 RBI as Cliff Floyd’s replacement and re-enters free agency after next season. Bank it. Meanwhile, the combination of Reggie Willits and Juan Rivera (assuming he’s even interested in re-signing with the Halos as a FA) does what?
Unless the Angels are serious about Manny Ramirez, Adam Dunn, or MAYBE Pat Burrell, they are foolish to let GA go.
I keep reading about GA being “league average” but where does he rank among AVAILABLE free agent outfielders? Not everyone in the league is available. Manny, Dunn, Burrell, they are notable improvements over GA. Who else, among available FA outfielders is?
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 6, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron
are you serious. Cameron is way worth the 10M. he still plays GG CF. He also has good Power. compare Cameron and GA thats stretching big time.
by HALO_86 on Nov 6, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
Cameron is twice the player that GA is. Not even close…
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Nov 6, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats sure don't indicated that.
I’m not being flippant. I’m just curious how Mike Cameron is “twice the player that GA is” when career numbers (or really even last season’s) don’t bear that out.
They’re nearly the same age and have nearly the same MLB service time. It seems that Cameron’s stats should suggest that he’s clearly the better player. Actually, though, the stats seem to suggest that GA is the better player (over his career and over the last two seasons). Yes, Mike Cameron hit more homeruns the last two seasons than did GA. Combine or average those last two seasons, though, and show me where Cameron’s advantage lies.
Maybe you can explain which stats, or even observations, suggest that Cameron is “twice the player that GA is.”
I’ll start. GA’s stats are far superior to anything Cameron has on the board, with the notable exception of OBP (GA career=.327, MC=.340, neither are real good at getting on base). Last season, MC got on base at a .331 clip (GA = .325).
It seems that if Cameron were “twice the player that GA is,” that equal age and service time would put Cameron within less than 30 HR of GA, or within less than 150 doubles, or within less than 400 RBI, or within less than 1,000 hits, or with a comparable SLG.
Hell, shouldn’t Mike Cameron hold a distinct comparative defensive advantage over GA? But he doesn’t (GA is as statistically superior to league leftfielder as Cameron has been to league centerfielders). Oh, of course, GA also doesn’t strike out an AVERAGE of 140 times per year (before you even get started, yes I prefer GA’s moving a runner from second to third over Cameron consistently stranding eveyrone where they were). Worth noting, too, is that GA has never SHIT ON HIS TEAMMATES by missing the first twenty games of his season due to DRUG SUSPENSION (oh, I forgot, “special needs”).
Come on. There’s plenty of better players with which to make your argument.
It’s a shame, too, that Mike Cameron will end up posting such low career numbers despite being “twice the player that GA is.” I guess we can add “underachiever” to Cameron’s resume as well.
I’ll be the first to admit that GA isn’t what he was. I’ll be the first to admit that GA can be replaced by a few free agents who would bring an improvement. Mike Cameron, though?
You’d honestly rather have Mike Cameron in the Angels’ lineup than GA?
I welcome your efforts to in any way prove that Mike Cameron is at all better than GA (let alone “twice” as good).
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 6, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's look at Win Shares
YR GA MC
04 15 18
05 16 13
06 14 28
07 14 22
08 19 19
That’s 100 to 78 for Cameron over the past five years, for an average of 20 (good) to 15.5 (okay).
How about Win Shares percentage, which divides WS by playing time?
YR GA MC
04 .645 .559
05 .549 .678
06 .490 .809
07 .620 .608
08 .693 .666
Definitely closer, especially the last two years, but ’05-06 was a rout for Cameron.
by mattwelch on Nov 6, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can hardly blame me
for emphasizing the last two years seeing as though deals going forward are better measured by recent statistics.
As for Cameron’s “rout” during the 05-06 seasons, I feel compelled at this point to mention his TWO positive tests (the second resulting in a 25-game suspension to start this season), mostly because I stubbornly believe that GA was one of the clean players (no, no proof of that, but there is certainly proof that Cameron was not one of the cleans ones). Cameron was dirty, and likely dirtiest (like most of baseball) during those seasons.
There’s no real way to defend GA’s shortcomings; they are what they are and objective fans recognize them. I certainly do.
But when we cherry-pick years, arguments could be made for either GA or MC being the superior player. When we consider careers, I think MC is the lesser player (with nearly identical OPS+, ages, and service times, doesn’t it then come down to raw numbers?). When we concentrate on the last two seasons (likely the most realistic indicator when considering free agent options), GA is more reliable and appealing (and I still assert that GA’s 15 HR are 18-20 for most other teams in consideration of the left-handed hitting power handicap that Angel Stadium brings).
As for WS %, the 05-06 “rout” is mitigated somewhat by the fact that GA turned in a higher WS % in 3 of those five seasons. Despite the last five seasons being the weakest of GA’s career, he still turns in a better WS % than Cameron (even while loaded up on amphetamines) most years.
Is it, at this point in their respective careers, safe to assume that GA will turn in a better season than Cameron 60% of the time? Well, I’m not so sure of that, I was just using Matt’s numbers. Still, I like GA over Cameron at this juncture in their careers (and, really, over their entire careers).
I think GA’s gone. He’ll find his contract elsewhere and play out his career for one or more teams. However, Angel fans are a little TOO eager to see him go. At the end of the ‘09 season, whoever gets the leftfield brick out in front of the stadium better have produced to GA’s KNOWN baseline (not as easy to do as many fans here think).
Willits going to do that? GMJ Jr. going to do that? Tommy Murphy? Juan Rivera might do that but he’s going to do it for another team (he’s gone…sick of riding Angel pine and eager to prove himself elsewhere). I don’t see the Angels landing Manny, Dunn, or even Burrell. Who’s left then?
They are bigger shoes to fill than anyone seems willing to acknowledge. GA’s no dummy…he’s going to go to a team that fits. At the end of the ‘09 season, GA, having picked a team and park that fit him, will have produced .300/20/90 (.300/.340/.800). I just hope he does it outside of the AL West. While I’m playing Carnac, he’s going to do it for the Rays (replacing Cliff Floyd). The turf may not be good for his health, but it’ll add to his hit (and double) totals, as will the chip on his shoulder. He’s not going to blab about it to the press, because he’s a class act, but he’ll be out to prove the Angels wrong next year.
The only way for the Angels to keep from regretting the scuttling of GA is to sign Manny or Dunn. I’d like a Del Meat Burrito, fries, and a large root beer.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 6, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get over it
GA is just avg now. Rivera of course is sick tired of sitting the bench. he’s only sitting the bench because GA was in front of him with that Fat contract he wasn’t earning. let him leave.
by HALO_86 on Nov 7, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get over what?
Did you have something substantive to add to the conversation?
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Nov 8, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a business
Sometimes you can’t get too sentimental.
by Chzburger Jones on Nov 5, 2008 10:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If he thinks
he is worth $11 million (wasn’t it 14, just minus 3 for the buyout) a year then he is crazy. He has gone down hill incredibly ever since he signed that big time extension. Granted, he deserved it at the time but he is nothing better than a #6 or 7 hitter right now. You will be sorely missed GA.
by turs12 on Nov 5, 2008 11:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the 3 mil
was a guarantee so that his entire contract came to an average of 12 mil a year
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by halofan4life on Nov 6, 2008 6:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cot's has it listed as a buyout as well
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/06/free-agent-position-players.html
Is there a difference between a buyout and whatever GA is calling it?
Keep in mind, I don't know wtf i'm talking about.
by tdischino on Nov 6, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really, it's guaranteed money paid to him whether or not he's on the team in 2009.
by snowhor on Nov 6, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so if the club picked up his 09 option
then he gets 14mm + 3 mm?
Keep in mind, I don't know wtf i'm talking about.
by tdischino on Nov 6, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever it's called it works the same way. He was guaranteed 3 and then 11 to stay.
by snowhor on Nov 6, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so, it's still a buyout of the 09 option
and no different that any other contract where a lump sum is indicated as a buyout. Looking at the 4/48 contract, yes, it is money that was owed him (9, 10, 11, 12, + 3mm up front and 3mm buyout = 48). It sounds silly that he tried to argue it.
Keep in mind, I don't know wtf i'm talking about.
by tdischino on Nov 6, 2008 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Tale of Two GAs
The Angels gave the 4 year/$48 million contract to the 2000-2003 version of Garret Anderson. Unfortunately, the 2004-2008 version thinks he’s still the same player.
by Laloosh on Nov 6, 2008 10:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Looking at his career stats...
2000 – 2003 stand out as a high plateau above equally consistent lines on both sides. The 1995 to 1999 years match up very linearly with the 2004 – 2008 numbers. Sounds like he is maintaining an overall consistency, not necessarily dropping off a cliff as many on this thread may suggest.
by Downing Rules on Nov 6, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m talking R, RBI, 2B, SLG, OBP in case someone gets snooty over my last statement.
The “off the cliff” drop offs I do see are in AB’s, hits and games played. However, given the relative consistency of the R, RBI, 2B, SLG and OBP in spite of the loss of H, AB and G’s, it makes him that much more valuable…
by Downing Rules on Nov 6, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This must have been tough on Reagins
Having to call up a player that he grew up with in the Angels organization and tell him that is services are no longr required. Shows me that Tony CAN and WILL make the tough decisions that are, ultimately, for the good of the franchise.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes
by johnnyangel101 on Nov 6, 2008 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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