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looks unlikly to sign t-money.

Buster Onley reported on mlbtraderumors.com that we are likly to offer teix a contract worth 100-120 million.  How many years is that going to be in unclear.  If we miss out on Teix. who would like to see this option.  Right now it is unclear who are left fielder is.  As most of you know manny is a left fielder. Why not move morales, willits,figgins, and a pitcher (weaver, saunders)  to the Brewers for Prince.  The Brewers might lose Cameron to the Yankees so Figgins will be a good lead off hitter. They let Councell go so 3rd is open.  They probably wont sign c.c. they will need pitching.  They get morales for first..  And than we sign manny and a 5th starter. I like our team than.... Something fun just to think about... I hate offseason

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Acuda is gonna rip you apart for adding Morales to that trade idea

Not saying that to be a jerk, but Acuda’s man-crush on Morales has reached epic proportions.

Personally, Prince’s power numbers went down last year, still exceptional numbers, but down nonetheless. Also, with Howie being still unproven defensively at 2nd, the last thing I wanna see is a right side of the infield with that many holes. Maybe there is someone else out there who can fill in adequately while leaving us with Morales and Figgy should we not re-sign Tex.

I also think they’re just low-balling Tex to get a counter-offer from Boras so they can meet somewhere in the middle.

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by halofan4life on Nov 6, 2008 4:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I guess not

of course I have had my head firmly buried in the ground since they signed the kid out of Cuba. For real though, Morales has “potential” and as much as we love potential here (cause I am aching to see B. Wood get the starting job next year) that’s all it is. Tex on the other hand has a track record, but if we fail on Tex, to hell with Fielder and any other 1st baseman. I personally would rather see Morales given the chance at 1B next year, but it seems like Sosh is stonewalling him. So my comment about them trading for someone else to play 1B (although I don’t necessarily agree with it) seems more likely then Morales getting the job.

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by halofan4life on Nov 6, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Morales has potential

but it’s highly doubtful that he will ever be as good as Tex.

Boy…I hope that 100-120 million dollar offer is a preliminary and that they plan to up that offer if need be. I will be heartbroken if Tex signs elsewhere.

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 6, 2008 6:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

morales has potential.... but

So many great prospects have shown great potential… im not going to name any but im sure you can think of some off the top of your head… We NEED a big hitter behind v-lad or his numbers are going to drop just like they were before teix came over.

your time is now our time

by teedme2 on Nov 6, 2008 6:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Low ball offer

Gotta believe the 100-120 mil is a low ball offer… at least i hope, because that won’t get it done. Arte pay the man!

by KyRod on Nov 6, 2008 6:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

where was buster olney on torii hunter last year

or the OC trade?

just because youre a sports writer doesnt mean you know everything about everything. Its why we play the game! We may not get teixeira, but to assume that as being true now seems a little silly

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 6, 2008 6:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

“just because youre a sports writer doesnt mean you know everything about everything”

or anything about anything

Have you seen Jim Abbot's Glove Switch? Holy crap.

by HaloDutch on Nov 9, 2008 2:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this is also the guy that said

in an earlier piece that the Yankees and Red Sox would battle over Tex… we weren’t even mentioned!
he’s sold his soul to the east coast “elite”. let’s wait and see where we are in a few weeks.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 6, 2008 6:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 6, 2008 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would never

Offer FIVE somewhat to fully proven players for Prince Fielder. More realistic would be Weaver plus two good prospects, or Saunders plus one good prospect.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 6, 2008 6:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Est pitchers are worth alot more.

by HALO_86 on Nov 7, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would the Brewers trade Fielder?

You don’t trade great young players, unless they are cancerous or you are retarded.

by mattwelch on Nov 6, 2008 8:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

they're talking about it

he’s going to become extremely expensive, and they can’t afford it.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Nov 6, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

theyre losing CC and Sheets

and i think people have said that Prince’s contract situation makes him pretty tradeable and could net them some pitchers to fill out their rotation again

by ihearhowie2.0 on Nov 6, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Given the Brewers' needs

I’d take that deal in a heartbeat, if it did indeed include Weaver or Saunders. They wouldn’t want to give up Prince, but to get a cheap pitcher and fill some holes, they’d take a good look at an offer like that.

But Cameron won’t get traded to the Yankees.

by Brew Angel on Nov 7, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I were the Brewers

I would, too.

They’d only be giving up a first baseman.

They’d be getting:

A 2008 All-Star and possible Cy Young candidate starting pitcher
A very capable outfielder
A first baseman with excellent power who hasn’t yet had a good chance to prove himself
Another potential All-Star starting pitcher
The AL leader (or close to it) in SB for the last four seasons.

Right.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 7, 2008 6:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is one day after...

…another “source” said the Angels were going to try to sign Tex and CC.

We’ll see what happens when all is said and done.

by Ajax on Nov 6, 2008 8:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

its actually 4 players

And because fielder is a power hitter that we absolutly need. I would love to see this trade figgins (who only has a year left on his contract) gone we can put wood at thrid, willits wont get playing time anyways, morales is a gamble and weaver posted very very adverage numbers.. why not

your time is now our time

by teedme2 on Nov 6, 2008 8:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Olney is Wrong

if the thinks the Angels would make such a lowball offer. Frankly, $120 million would be an insult to Teixeira. Yes, I know that sentence is ridiculous, but the fact of the matter is that Teix is going to be seeking (and someone will give him) $20 million annually, at least, for at least 7 years. There would be no point in even offering anything less than that.

It’s also not how the Angels do business under Moreno. They don’t really go back & forth on money; they make a best offer first, take-it-or-leave-it, and then move on if they leave it.

by jjackflash on Nov 6, 2008 11:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Olney has not been very reliable for quite sometime IMO.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Nov 7, 2008 10:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I just remembered

that Tex turned down an 8 year, 144 million dollar offer from the Rangers (18 mill per year). So it’s going to take AT LEAST an 8 year, 160 million dollar deal (20 mill per year) to get Tex, probably more. I think the Angels NEED to sign him even if that means overpaying for him. They over paid for HGH Jr and they overpaid for Torii Hunter, so why stop now?

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 7, 2008 12:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We're paying Torii $18 mil, right?

Teix is worth more, and will hit much, much better. Remember, we haven’t really increased payroll in five years when adjusted for inflation; Arte’s revenues are increasing much faster than that, and $25 million won’t be outrageous for great players five years from now.

by mattwelch on Nov 7, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Torii signed a 5 year, 90 million dollar deal which averages out to 18 mill per year. The Angels better pony up for Tex or else they will have a lot of explaining to do when fans find out they weren’t willing to overpay for a much needed first baseman in Tex but they were more than willing to overpay for 2 CFs, 1 who is completely terrible in a ridiculously log-jammed outfield.

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 7, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

diff situations

Torii is at least a leader. Tex isn’t. he’s another A-Rod. all stats. i’ve said before he’s done nothing like Manny has done and you guys are treating him like he’s proven winner. you guys just go blind every off-season when it comes to FA. i was wondering this every yr, first it was Konerko, then Soriano, Cabrera. not signing Tex isn’t the end of the world. every year there is going to be big bats up for trades or that become FA. i would rather wait and see how it shakes out, not overpay. even if that means making a trade and renting a player for the rest of a season at the deadline is better then overpaying for players.

by HALO_86 on Nov 7, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How is Tex not a leader?

He has a reputation for being a great clubhouse guy. And I think it’s outside the jurisdiction of the fans to judge who is a good leader unless it’s completely obvious that they are a clubhouse cancer (like Manny in Boston) because we don’t know what happens inside the clubhouse. We are going to make the playoffs next year due to the crappiness of the AL West competition but if we don’t have Tex by our side, we are just going to flame out in the ALDS once again. I don’t know about you guys but I’m sick of everyone getting all giddy and excited about division titles. They mean nothing if you don’t do anything in the post-season.

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 7, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

yeah where did we end up this yr??? it was with Tex right? maybe i missed something. we flame out without Tex in ‘07. we flame out with Tex in ’08. whats the diff? ohh we should give him all that money for helping us flame out. ok. that makes sense. yeah our team didn’t do anything in the playoffs like you said. it was with Tex. sorry, he isn’t all that. unless he comes at a reasonable price. so all you guys can just say well it wasn’t his fault. he showed up, look at his numbers.

by HALO_86 on Nov 7, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So here's the problem

2009 differences from 2008:

Frankie—GONE
Rivera—GONE
GA—GONE
Cousin Oliver—GONE
Vlad—OLDER, WEAKER
GMJ—STILL PLAYING

No Tex = severely diminished offensive capacity (sdoc). That simple.

sdoc + diminished pitching staff ability to prevent runs (dpsatpr) = No playoffs.

That simple.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 7, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

doosh?

acuda27

Stop acting dweebish. Clutch.

by Tina Yothers on Nov 7, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

????

So confused….

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by Clutch on Nov 9, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tex did his job in the playoffs

He went 7-15 (.467) with a .550 OBP and he saved game 4 of the ALDS with that diving catch right before Scot Shields blew it.

We can with the division without him since the rest of our division sucks but if we don’t have him for the playoffs, it’s going to be 2007 all over again.

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 8, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what?

you mean it wasn’t Teix’s fault that K-Rod grooved that pitch to JD Drew? Teix didn’t cause the bats of GA, Aybar or (especially) Howie Kendrick to go ice cold? I thought it was Teix’s job to cause them to perform better; after all, that’s what leaders do. They wave magic wands and cause other people to play better. Or, that’s what some folks in this thread seem to suggest.

by jjackflash on Nov 8, 2008 8:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying that

we need Tex because he makes the other hitters better. We need Tex because he picks up the slack for the other guys. If you want the other hitters to be better, then maybe you should jump on the “fire Mickey Hatcher” bandwagon (which I’m not opposed to at all, btw).

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 8, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

I thought the sarcastic tone of my post was self-evident. My bad. I completely agree; Teixeira would be far and away the best hitter (indeed, best player) on the 2009 Angels. 7 Years, w/player option for year 8, and $25 million average annual value (front-loaded w/signing bonus to help alleviate concerns over an increase in taxes).

by jjackflash on Nov 8, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tex

you know he’s from the east coast right? so if the Angels want to keep him on the west coast they have to financially convince him to stay here. so if good teams like the Redsox or YAnkees match then Angels have to keep offering more. so how high is too high? is there anyone here going to say enough besides me

by HALO_86 on Nov 8, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy the hometown discount crap.

He’s a professional athlete (and a Boras client). He’s going to go for the money. We can pry him away from the Yankees, Red Sox, and Orioles if we offer 1 cent more than they do.

by Chzburger Jones on Nov 8, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

he’d sign with Kansas City if they offered the most.

by jjackflash on Nov 8, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hatcher

so in ’02 it was the players overcoming Hatchers inablility to coach?

by HALO_86 on Nov 8, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

mabye

playoffs are no garantee. there’s alot of luck involved in. look at the Rockies in ‘07. Cards in ’06. its whoever gets hot going into the playoffs. then you can exceed what is expected. everyone thought this was our yr to breakout against the Redsox. Tex was the final piece. it didn’t workout. lets not go blind here over some player. if the young guys don’t workout then we make a trade at the deadline like we did this yr.

by HALO_86 on Nov 8, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ai

Not this argument again.

Yep, the all-around best player in baseball right now isn’t worth it to us. Not one bit.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Nov 7, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

lol whatever

by HALO_86 on Nov 7, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lame

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Nov 7, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I will say this one more time...

DO NOT INCLUDE SAUNDERS IN ANY TRADE! Include Weaver all you want, but NO Saunders!

Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!

by K3YEROUT on Nov 8, 2008 8:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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