Jermaine Dye

by WiHaloFan on Dec 1, 2008 7:53 AM PST

Okay, I'm going to throw somethig out there hoping to get some thoughts...

Would it be better to trade for Jermaine Dye than to sign another OF such as Adam Dunn or Pat Burrell?
Pros -

Signed to a decent contract ($11.5M in 2009 and a mutual option at $12M for 2010)
Wouldn't lose a draft pick as he's not a free agent
Better fielder than Burrell
Wouldn't cost a ton to acquire, such as Santana or Saunders, probably a deal including Adenhart or Aybar.
Younger than Garret Anderson

Cons -

Older than Dunn (5 years), Burrell (2 years) and Rivera (4 years) and in decline.
Slow
Not a LF and would have to move over from RF

Obviously, Dye's not a replacement for Teixeira... I'm not suggesting that and I'm not suggesting the Angels go out and get him, I'm just wondering if it comes down to the Angels contemplating signing another OF if it might be better to have Dye for a year (or two) at a reasonable salary than the other options at more money and longer contract.

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i thought about this when the rumors started flying

his contract is reasonable, and he does put up good numbers
BUT
as you pointed out, he’s getting old, his numbers would deflate from US Cellular to the Big A, and i honestly think we’d get the same kind of numbers out of Dunn.

i think i’m gonna say no on this, only because i think we can get a younger alternative for the same price or cheaper.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 1, 2008 9:57 AM PST reply actions

Dunn

let me just ask. in arbitration does the player recieve a garanteed more money then he had the previous season? if so then why wouldn’t Dunn accept arbitration if he’s offered it? if you think the market isn’t too hot for Dunn and you think you can get him as cheap as Dye. unless he just wants garanteed yrs. i personally would accept arbitration and rebuild my value especially with a good team like the D-Backs in the NLW.

by HALO_86 on Dec 1, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions

in arbitration,both the player and the franchise submit what they think they should be paid or paying to an arbitrator.He then decides which case to award the victory to, and that is what the player makes for the year.. It can be a good or bad decision for the player…

by raven191 on Dec 1, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions

According to the union contract...

a player’s salary can not decrease by more than 20%…if I remember correctly.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Dec 1, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions

stopgap

and a poor one at that. He could disappear completely and it would be like “What were we thinkin?”

by Rev Halofan on Dec 1, 2008 10:13 AM PST reply actions

I'm not suggesting signing Dye to any kind of extension

I’d rather have him in 2009 at $11.5M than Burrell at $14M (his 2008 salary) + whatever more it’d take to sign him. If the Angels aren’t going to sign a player such as Manny or possibly Dunn, then they’d need a player just for a year until the right player comes along…through their own system or free agency.

So, you’re right…a stopgap, but I think he’s better than some other options.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Dec 1, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions

I like Dye , though he is older,but still a good hitter and he does come in at a good price…
I guess you just have 2 think how much is Burell or Dunn going to want ?? I’d take Dunn over Burrell , but this Dye thing sounds ok.. I think hes still a danger for at least 2 more years.
Someone keeps mentioning Frank Thomas as a DH..the guy is done and not worth it.. Talk about aging players ,that is a prime example of finished.
I like Dunn if Tex isnt resigned.. If you get him for 15 mill a season then maybe take it on a 5 year deal…Hes good for 35 hr and 100 rbi imo

by raven191 on Dec 1, 2008 11:37 AM PST reply actions

Dye: no

Id rather sign Dunn. And also definetely resounding no on Burrell

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Dec 1, 2008 6:49 PM PST reply actions

yup

and the DBacks didn’t offer Dunn arbitration, which makes him that much more attractive.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 1, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions

really? so no comp picks for signing him?

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Dec 1, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions

exactly

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 1, 2008 7:49 PM PST up reply actions

Wow, so they traded for him and will be left with nothing.

Dunn should be right under Tex on Ninja’s things to do list.

by snowhor on Dec 1, 2008 7:56 PM PST up reply actions

agreed

if we get those 2 and a low cost 5th starter, we’re set.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 1, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions

agree

A lineup of
Figgy
Howie
Tex
Vlad
Dunn
Torii
Naps
Morales
Aybar/Wood

wow. unstoppable
and pitchers of
Lackey
Santana
Saunders
Weaver
Pedro?

only like 30 Million extra added to the payroll (extra 10 for Tex, 14 for Dunn and 6 for Pedro), and with the money saved from frankie we could sign 2 or 3 solid relievers

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Dec 1, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions

I'd settle for just Tex and Dunn, with Moseley, Adenhardt, et. al., competing for the 5th spot.

We don’t really need to improve the rotation. Our focus should be offense, and maybe an arm in the pen that won’t cost draft picks.

by snowhor on Dec 1, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions

true enough

i was thinking that. Pedro for 6 MM could be a bargain though. We could always flip a middle infielder or Moseley for an arm, but i defintely think that getting bullpen help could be just as viable an option as a 5th starter

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Dec 1, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions

oh we could definitely trade for an arm

heck, we could dangle Aybar and S-Rod and somebody would bite.
we could probably get a good solid arm for those guys.

and yes, that lineup is amazing. i’d do that in a heartbeat… Tex at 1B, Dunn at DH, Vlad in RF, K-Mo in LF. when Vlad needs to DH, Dunn goes to LF, K-Mo to RF.
and Wood becomes the everyday SS.

life would be good.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 1, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions

ahhhh

but then what would Matt Welch do with us scoring runs? he wouldnt know what to do.

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Dec 1, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions

better yet

what would mickey hatcher do with 3 patient hitters??
and what would scioscia do with all those power hitters?

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 1, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions

Constantly pinch hit for them with Jeff Mathis so he could suicide squeeze?

by snowhor on Dec 1, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions

Err, I mean Aybar. He'll let Mathis swing the bat.

by snowhor on Dec 1, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions

lol

he’ll probably bring uber-hitter Willits in too

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 1, 2008 10:24 PM PST up reply actions

He'd make Dunn sit on the bench

While GMJ hits .222 through August.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 2, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions

No.

We need fewer, not more, 30-something outfielders with bad legs.

by mattwelch on Dec 2, 2008 2:48 PM PST reply actions

Such as...?

This is the second time you’ve written about not wanting this type of player, but I can’t think of anyone else available to put in left that won’t cost $15M+ or an arm and a leg in trade value (pun intended).

I respect your opinion and your insight would be appreciated.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Dec 2, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions

Rivera!

Why is everyone so quick to write off Juan Rivera? He easily has the potential of Dye, Burrell or Dunn yet nobody mentions his name. His defense is above average and he has a cannon for an arm.

Tex has to be our number one target this off-season but if we lose out on him we still have KMO. Rivera, on the other hand, will come at a discount compared to the other corner outfielders on the market and he’s still relatively young.

by halo nation on Dec 2, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions

honestly

until the Angels make a definitive answer on Teix one way or another i think it effects what you can do. assuming Teix isn’t re-signed, i think it would be a mistake not to get 1 proven bat. especially on the corners. JR would be good if we re-signed Teix but if we didn’t then i would go the other way and try to sign or trade for a established bat to put the pressure off of the young bats that we all assume are going to have alot of AB this season(Wood and KMO)

by HALO_86 on Dec 2, 2008 7:51 PM PST up reply actions

I'm willing to stomach a Willits/GMJ leadoff platoon at a corner OF slot

Assuming we sign Teix and K-Mo is a DH/LFer. I’m also strongly in favor of trading Chone Figgins, so this would fill the leadoff hole with someone not named Erick Aybar.

In general, my idea is that we already have one aging corner OFer who needs to DH a lot (Vlad), and one guy who will DH a lot while playing crappy LF (Morales). It’s just not very practical to add another lumbering DH-to-be in that mix. You’ll be forcing your best hitter to play in the field too much, and you’ll be fielding some terrible defensive outfields.

Obviously, if we don’t sign Teix, the calculation changes enormously, because Morales is your first baseman. In that case, I’d probably go after someone like Dunn or Burrell (F.A.s that cost no picks), but with huge reservations about their age, lack of defensive skills, and low batting averages.

If God made me president (or vice versa), I’d trade Figgins, Izzy, a top prospect and possibly Moseley for either Jake Peavy or Matt Kemp. S-Rod becomes your backup IF at all three spots, Matt Brown replaces Quinlan, and if the middle-IF hammies stay intact, you win 100 games all over again while letting the young kids continue to learn how to hit. Also, because (in my fantasy world), we’ve let Garland & K-Rod & Oliver go, we’ll have something like 6 of the first 50 draft picks, which would go a long way toward rebuilding the farm system.

by mattwelch on Dec 3, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions

i agree, but...

if it didn’t cost much (say two of Ortega, SRod or Figgins) then it might be a good stop gap. If Tex resigns, then you have this lineup:
Izzy — SS
HK — 2B
Tex — 1B
Vlad — RF
Hunter — CF
Dye — RF
Morales — DH
Nap – C
Wood – 3B

That is a powerful lineup. Albeit, much slower than we had in the past. But huge power/HR/XBH potential. 6-7 guys could hit 20-25+ HRs. But you could just get Dunn instead of Dye. But both situations make us slower and worse defensively in the OF.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Dec 2, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions

but with 2 right fielders

we should be okay. ;)

but in all seriousness, that lineup doesn’t look too bad… it’s definitely old, and i would go after Dunn before Dye. maybe we can still trade Figgins and Aybar for pitching.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 2, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions