ESPN Reports Angels deal to Tex at
by PhiSlamma on Dec 12, 2008 4:44 AM PST
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Same amount of money offered by the Nats with one less year. The players union often urges players to take the highest annual sum over the longest when they are within 1-2 years of each other.
This puts the Angels as the front-runners to keep Tex as he would be slightly retarded to play for a losing team for the same money for one more year.
Sawx apparently bid 7/150.
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I cant find the link right now, wierd
I swear I didn’t dream this….
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 12, 2008 4:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
mlb.com says the same thing...
although they don’t mention a specific source
by rghan on Dec 12, 2008 6:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well good thing you spent the last 3 days ripping the angels for being pussies about big offers
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 12, 2008 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah no kidding
7/160 is about as good as it should get. If Sox wanna pay more, bye bye.
by BayAreaDM on Dec 12, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a solid deal
I think $22/$23 mil per accurately values Teix through his age 29-36 seasons, especially with a likely inflation spike. If this goes through, it will be a fair contract that doesn’t cripple our long-term flexibility.
by rghan on Dec 12, 2008 6:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thank God!
The Ninja gets to keep his name.
by snowhor on Dec 12, 2008 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That means we might have a chance at Burrell....
if you’re into that sort of thing.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 12, 2008 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, sorry...
Just put a fanpost up about Ibanez’s signing before I read this. That’ll learn me.
Now, put Chris Pritchett at first, Bobby Rose at second, Pete Coachmen at third, and let's go win.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 12, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, it's okay
deserves it’s own fanpost, IMO.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 12, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
Ten years could really hamper out teams alter on, but this deal, I think, is more than fair while also ensuring the Angels have a great middle-of-the-order bat in case Vladdie drops off.
by Kernel on Dec 12, 2008 7:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do you have the link for the red sox's offer?
Do you know why Chuck Norris has no hair on his balls? Hair doesn't grow on steel.
by vlad IS my man on Dec 12, 2008 7:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trade Rumors and Hot Stove got nothing on this
other than the Nats offer being actually 140 over 8.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 12, 2008 8:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This, from Jayson Stark
Eight years, $160 million from the Nationals. Seven years, $140 million from the Orioles. Seven years, $160 million from the Angels.. No formal offers whatsoever from the Red Sox. Yet.
You are what you type.
by rjcicc on Dec 12, 2008 9:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
thank you RJC for the link!
PEOPLE: dont post stuff without links!!!!!!!!
Were all going crazy enough already….
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 12, 2008 9:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Still nothing on MLBTR
They’re usually on top of stuff like this.
You are what you type.
by rjcicc on Dec 12, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw this, ate food, took a nap
because ive been up for like two straight days, then posted this and could not fidn the link for the life of me.
My bad.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 12, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In Arte We Trust ...
I have been calm about this whole process as soon as I heard Arte say (paraphrasing): “Tex is our man.” They are committed to signing him, and thats that. Not going to let the frickin Nationals outbid him.
by ValisJason on Dec 12, 2008 10:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if the Nats sign him
I just don’t want Boston to.
by Sethy on Dec 12, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did they pin a deadline to the offer?
That's just Manny being..........a jackass
by autry's cowboys on Dec 12, 2008 11:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
God I hope not
Borass would turn that into a disrespect issue
by Seik1177 on Dec 12, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to get this done
I was thinking about this all night. I write this with the caveat that I have no idea what is going on in the negotiations except for what I hear in the media. What I hear is that Arte is reluctant to give Tex 8 years and this may be whats hurting us in the negotiations. I have a big problem with this if it is true. We give both GMJ and Tori five year contract sthat expire when both players are 37 years old. Why in the world wouldn’t we give Tex a contract until the age of 36(makes no sense)? Also, we overpayed for both GMJ and Tori but we won’t for Tex. Tex is a special player that only comes around every so often and we have a chance to get him. With the money NY and Boston have to sign free agents every year we need to strike know. I hope Arte doesn’t make the same mistake he did last year with Miggy i.e. his reluctance to budge from his initial position caused us to lose him. When your playing with the big boys (were global now-Boston or NY) you need to be flexible and creative to get a free agent like Tex. Give him a opt out clause and options for a eight or ninth year). I believe that Rev’s analysis is right in that Tex told Boras he wants to come here and to get the most money he can from us. If we do this right and not be stubborn we can get this done. The one thing we have in our favor is that Boston does not really need him.
by AMB07 on Dec 12, 2008 11:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Question
Can you give a player an 8-Year Contract in California? Isn’t there a limit (7 years)?
by Colorado Fan on Dec 12, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey Colorado Fan
you may be correct. the CA Labor Code limits personal services contracts to 7 years. although it may be these contract are limited to actors, musicians, models, etc., (ie, entertainment industry). i’ll try and dig something up.
by SactoFan on Dec 12, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Labor Code
Section 2855: "A contract to render personal service, other than a contract of apprenticeship as provided in Chapter 4 of this division, may not be enforced against the employee beyond seven years from the commencement of service under it. Any contract, otherwise valid, to perform or render service of a special, unique, unusual, extraordinary, or intellectual character, which gives it peculiar value and the loss of which cannot be reasonably or adequately compensated in damages in an action at law, may nevertheless be enforced against the person contracting to render such service, for a term not to exceed seven years from the commencement of service under it. If the employee voluntarily continues his service under it beyond that time, the contract may be referred to as affording a presumptive measure of the compensation."
It can be extended by player option, obviously.
But take, for example, Man-Ram’s prior contract, which was a 10-year contract that the team had the option to extend. In fact, as a condition of agreeing to the Dodgers’ trade, Man-Ram required the team to waive that provision (otherwise, the Dodgers could have simply kept him for another year at $20 million. That contract would have been voidable had it initially been signed in California (i.e., Manny could have walked away, purported team option notwithstanding).
by jjackflash on Dec 12, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So basically
The Angels offered him a contract that is as long as is allowed by California law, correct? not including any options.
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000
by halofan4life on Dec 12, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Longer than 7 years is not prohibited
but it is not enforceable, so a player may walk without legal consequences. I imagine it is difficult (or impossible) to get insurance for such contracts.
This is generally known as the “de Havilland Law” because it originated in a lawsuit Olivia de Havilland brought in the ‘40s against Warner Bros. Her argument was that even indentured servants weren’t bound to a contract for longer than 7 years.
". . .and the young lions will lock horns!" -- Ron Fairly, from an Angels telecast
by rspencer on Dec 12, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice job jjackflash!
You beat me to the punch and I work in labor law! :-)
by SactoFan on Dec 12, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im pretty sure...
that write some opt-out option for the 8th year and you’re golden. Rev, covered this in some post awhile back.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 12, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
get real
Miggy:wtf would he have done for our team last yr? with the players we would have had to trade to get him in the first place. either Santana or Saunders, HK, Mathis, 1-2 more.
why wouldn’t Redsox not really need him? if he’s better then the current corner IF, then they need him. Teix is a special player like you say. they can always trade away either 1 they have right now.
that offer is a very good offer. if he passes, move on. who cares its a team sport. we talk about how easy it is for Arte to throw around money, its not ours. its not like he’s out their putting out a mirage, he wants to win as much as us.
by HALO_86 on Dec 12, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Best Offer Might Not Matter
I’ve felt all along that we’d make the highest bid. But the East Coast factor will probably still do us in. The travel is a lot less, Tex’s family is back there, and he’s admittedly an East Coast guy. I think Boston will sign him in spite of our offer. I hope not…but….
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 12, 2008 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No doubt in my mind...
Boras takes our offer to each East Coast team and gives them a chance. Only way he stays is if nobody steps up, which is a real possibility and also pretty scary for us.
by Wytelitning on Dec 12, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When you play 162 games a year in a row, how much time do you have to spend with family?
I think Teixeira has “First World Series Ring” higher up on his list of priorities which would fit the Red S_x as well as the Angels.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Dec 12, 2008 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably more than you'd think...
I think we’d all be surprised how much being close to home means to these guys…and how much toll the travel takes on them.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 12, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
proximity to family matters for spouse who is left at home w/out player who is on the road all of the time…this is for Tex’s wife and her sanity with kids as much as anything…
Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!
by K3YEROUT on Dec 12, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's a good offer
really good.
if it made the difference, i’d go 8 years, $165 – 170MM
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 12, 2008 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, i would go 8 years $176. One more year would get this done, i think.
by CaptainCarlos on Dec 12, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For a .290 Hitter?
I’m getting cold feet….
by Rev Halofan on Dec 12, 2008 11:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Try paying closer attention to the .378 OBP and .541 SLG.
If we were only interested in a .290 hitter, GA’s option would have been picked up.
by snowhor on Dec 12, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the defense...
…and the personality…and the fact that Tex is a baseball guy through and through…
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 12, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is this "personality" you speak of?
Or do you mean celebrity?
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Dec 12, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really not know what "personality" means?
It certainly isn’t synonymous with “celebrity.”
Tell you what…spend a day with Tex…then spend a day with Manny…and tell me if you saw any differences.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 12, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends if you smoke weed or not
whose company you would enjoy more. I got a friend who worked at a car washing service in Boston that Manny use to frequent.. Lets just say he often found more than just stems when vacuuming out the seats.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 12, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, snap!
You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode?
by PieceOfAase on Dec 12, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny leaves all types of green in his car
“He sent a clubhouse attendant out to wash his car, offering to pay the guy with some money he had in the glove compartment, and when the attendant looked in the glove box, he found more than $10,000 in cash.”
You are what you type.
by rjcicc on Dec 12, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny, car wash, and lots of green
"He sent a clubhouse attendant out to wash his car, offering to pay the guy with some money he had in the glove compartment, and when the attendant looked in the glove box, he found more than $10,000 in cash.
You are what you type.
by rjcicc on Dec 12, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that green
slows the game down for him, how do you think he hits so well, the ball’s coming into his strike zone at 80mph, plus it would explain his lethargy on defense.
by SactoFan on Dec 12, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1 day
Manny would be the guy to hang with, Teix looks boring.
by HALO_86 on Dec 12, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think Manny would be far more fun and interesting to hang out with than Teix.
I think if you spent a day with each of them, you would come away feeling inspired to write a fanpost on the great diversity of MLB players or something.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Dec 12, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's why the Halos need both for the clubhouse.
Tex: an example of professionalism but personality-wise, not a person who is going to loosen up the dugout nor cause conflict.
Manny: an example of how to produce, mash, & have fun at the same time. A guy who will loosen up the dugout when the Angels need it most (the playoffs).
The Halos NEED both these guys!
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of funny, but you may be missing the original point...
…which is that Tex has the personality to fit a classy ballclub. Manny just has personality. I’m only speaking for myself here, but I don’t want to root for a team that would pay Manny…not after what he showed last year.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 12, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's nice to have a classy ballclub.
But having Manny doesn’t make the Angels a non-classy ballclub. If this guy was that much of a cancer to a ballclub, than Artie would have never said anything positive about the guy. Artie doesn’t put up with any players bullshit.
With that said, if you keep the 08 offensive lineup that we took to the playoffs last year, I don’t see anything to make me believe the results would change next season. The Angels have a recent history of clinching up to tight in the playoffs and choking. That is where a guy like Manny and his playoff experience and loose attitude will make the difference with this team. The guy is a stud in the playoffs. And that is because his attitude does not allow his performance and skills to be effected/dimenished by pressure. And it is players like Manny who take the most pressure off of his teammates.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's just not all about winning.
Not to me, anyway. I’d rather lose with a classy team than win with a disrespectful one. I know I’m in the minority there, but I don’t mind.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 12, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying..
is that by signing Manny the Angels automatically become a disrespectful team because of what Manny did in the past to another team? Manny didn’t screw with the Dodgers. So the Dodgers are disrespectful by your definition. And who is to say that Manny is going to do the same thing again?
I just don’t see how signing Manny would make the Angels a disrespected organization, particularly if Manny doesn’t do anything to the organization or to the game of baseball that would go unpunished by the Angels.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so I have it figured out...
sign Tex, then sign Manny too! Can you imagine? Let’s have some almost winter fun…who bats 3 thru 5 in that order?
3 Tex
4 Vlad
5 Man Ram
6 Hunter
Have some fun with that…
Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!
by K3YEROUT on Dec 12, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I just...
Yup I did, now I have to change my underwear. I would go bonkers over that heart of an order. Almost $100 million for 4 positions in the lineup.
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000
by halofan4life on Dec 12, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's
Do this so that we don’t have three righties in a row…
3 Manny
4 Teix
5 Vlad
6 Hunter
by Sethy on Dec 12, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And we're trading for Adrian Gonzalez, remember?
3 Tex
4 Vlad
5 Manny
6 Gonzalez
7 Hunter
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 12, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bat Napoli ahead of Hunter...
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Dec 12, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
put hunter in the 2 spot.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 12, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I thought that originally too, but Vlad just doesn’t have the plate discipline to get on base or take enough pitches for that group. He is the classic, “you can’t walk your way off the island” hitter! Maybe this?
3 Manny
4 Teix
5 Vlad
6 Hunter
Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!
by K3YEROUT on Dec 12, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
He also averages 36 homers and 121 RBI per 162 games and he playes close to 162 games every year because he isn’t a pussy like Howie “needs a new hamstring” Kendrick.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 12, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and can you name many big contracts that have really worked out?
they all seem to end ugly
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 12, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a 75 million dollar contract and 180 are not comparable
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 12, 2008 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh jeez
You asked “how many big contracts really worked out?”
Try and tell me with a straight face that a 5-year, 75-milli contract in 2004 was not a big contract for the Angels. That is one of the biggest contracts in Angels history and was still a big contract in MLB in 2004. What part of that does not equal “b-i-g” contract to you?
Maybe you should be more specific with your questions, dude.
Yeah, I’m gong off because your response was fucking patronizing.
by Higz on Dec 12, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
jeez, calm down
easily offended, much?
Im sorry i wasnt clear and im sorry you clearly misinterpreted my response as being rude or patronizing.
Yes, my question was more in reference to 100+ million, market shattering contracts like Hampton, kevin brown, giambi, A-rod in texas, soriano, etc.
my apologies for the mix up
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 12, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As for 100m+ contracts, I don't think you can find fault with the Arod and Manny contracts.
They provided awesome production in every year of the contract.
by snowhor on Dec 12, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont believe this post
Mike DiGiovanna at the LA Times writes that no deal offered to Teix. Secondly, none of the major blogs (MLB Trade Rumors or MLB Hot Stove) have written about this. For being the number one free agent, I feel like this would be covered by everyone immediately if the 7/160 is true.
However, this offer does seem to be our likely offer. I just dont think its official and that Jayson Stark is full of it.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 12, 2008 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
rumor
well, the original Stark post said that the numbers were “rumors.”
by ValisJason on Dec 12, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we make it through December, everything's going to be alright.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbaxCG6mjMc
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Dec 12, 2008 1:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
None of this means C R A P
until he is officially signed !!!
I say whatever additional money the Angels have alotted for their second target (whomever that would be in addition to signing Tex), the Halos should get done now.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Angels still need Manny
I love Tex. Probably the easiest guy to manage, and the guy is a defensive & offensive stud! Nothing more you can ask of the guy as a player. His personality is not the type to loosen up a dugout through anything other than the players trying to imulate the guys play on the field. But there are many times where that is not enough. You need a guy who’s production on the field is as important as other intangables that he brings to the team, like loosness (particularly in the playoffs), aproachablility, and a willingness to teach others. This is Manny.
Manny, while having some downside, has far more upside than anything else. Manny, Torii, Kendry, Figgy, Vlad, & Naps will get along fine. And when the playoffs come around, Manny will keep these guys loose.
Tex will be good influence on guys like Wood, Naps, and others who study the game.
I don’t believe that Tex will have a problem with anyone on the team as the guy is not very vocal. So the key here is that there will be a very low probability of Manny & Tex clashing.
With or without Tex, the Halos will NEED MANNY. And should the Angels sign Tex, while on paper it won’t seem glaringly obvious that the Angels will miss Manny, come playoff time it will be obvious.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whoah, Teix and Manny?
I think your on the wrong board or have not been paying attention to the numbers these guys are going to get, our payroll, etc.
by Wytelitning on Dec 12, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Than everyone who was for signing Tex & CC
all must be dreaming too. By doing the math, Tex & CC are much more expensive than Tex & Manny
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice idea
but now way the Angels can afford this. lets get real.
if a guy acts like a jerk all the time just because he’s not happy, it does effect the clubhouse. it doesn’t matter how good the players try to ignore it. its like any setting. in a classroom, a disruptive student effects the whole class. we don’t need that on this team.
if Teix gets this deal with us, i expect more then some guy coming to work and doing his thing. i expect him not to just walk the walk, but talk the talk too. i want a vocal leader like Torii if Teix gets that contract.
by HALO_86 on Dec 12, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
explain the previous Tex & CC rumours
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CC and Teix
CC-the only reason why i thought the Angels had a chance with CC was the fact he was from the west coast and he was going to go for alot less to play here then the east coast. if i thought he was going to go for only Max money/yrs then i would have never thought he would be a realistic possibility with a big bat.(Teix or Manny)
by HALO_86 on Dec 12, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to know I'm not alone.
No, Manny. Bad Manny!
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 12, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we had that last season in the playoffs
and please tell me what the final result was???
For the record, please give me the history of Manny being Manny and the reasons why? Not making any excuses, but his antics weren’t without Manny’s reasons (right or wrong). He was with the Indians originally and got traded to the Sox because? Then, he was with the Sox for how long before he really started to disrupt the team with his antics? It seems to me that Sox fans didn’t really mind Manny while they were winning WS rings.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Is it really okay for a player to play hard as long as he’s happy…and then dog it when he’s not?? And we’re supposed to what? Do whatever it takes to keep him happy? Wait until his feelings get hurt?
No thanks.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 12, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the difference between Boston & LAA
Is Scioscia would not put up with the same stuff that the managers in Boston put up with. They let Manny do alot of crap and gave him such a long leash that there was no way to reel him back in when they wanted to.
Spoiled child syndrome
by Seik1177 on Dec 12, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let's see...Manny was acting up and unhappy
going back to the 03 season. The Red Sox win the WS in 04 & 07 and in between the guy has put up sick numbers offensively and had the Sox in the playoffs in the years they didn’t win the WS.
Sounds to me like Manny really isn’t that bad of a guy. And I would have to say that the majority of people out there wouldn’t say that Boston is a disrespectable organization for winning with Manny.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ark stop drinking the BOSUX kool-aid
You’ve given into the Boston smear machine. Every time they have a player that is the slightest disgruntled or about to get traded or sign elsewhere, the propaganda starts about how that player was no good in the clubhouse and hated the fans, etc.
Secondly, if we get Manny (not that I realistically think we will) it doesnt make us an un-classy ball club. Do you consider the bosux unclassy? Sure, I hate them. With a passion. And yah they are annoying as all hell. But unclassy? Hardly.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 12, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True..
and wasn’t the Babe & Roger Clemmens let go by the Red Sox too.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 13, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny
he started acting up in 02-03, thats why they were trying to trade him back then. they could have won with him this year, why didn’t they keep him?
by HALO_86 on Dec 12, 2008 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and they won 2 World series after that
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 12, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WS 02
we did win without some superstar right? we won with good guys?
by HALO_86 on Dec 12, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But let’s be honest here. A team with the Angels talent in 2002 does NOT win the World Series but very rarely! And as we have seen, a team without the right talent does not win multiple World Series.
Let me ask you this a player is producing: Is this player a “bad guy” if he uses performance enhancing drugs, creams, etc…? And is this player any worse than a guy who is allowed to pout, whine, and play games when he’s not getting his way?
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
i don’t know why baseball never had clear rules on the performance enhancing drug rules. so only thing i can say to your question is i don’t think he’s a bad guy, just a player that made a bad legal choice. now if he keeps using it now with the rules that are in place, i wouldn’t touch him because then i would think he’s cheating. before he was technically just bending the rules. a guy who acts up i think is a bad guy. its the team before individuals. thats just me. if your unhappy, play out the year and deal with it after the season.
there’s only been 1 team that won more then 1 WS since 2000. so i think its been pretty balanced. look at all the teams that have won in the past 8 years. teams that were never favored.
by HALO_86 on Dec 12, 2008 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To your point that there has only been 1 team
that won more than 1 WS since 2000. And that team was…….the Boston Red Sox who had………………………………………..Manny Ramirez.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what i'm trying to say
is no team has been dominant in this decade. to me the Redsox have won 2 but thats not a dynasty. now your going to get into the argument like the damn lakers, Kobe or Shaq. who was more important? are the Sox going to win without Manny? will Manny win without the Sox?
by HALO_86 on Dec 13, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and if you ask management and Sox fans
they will tell you that they are glad they didn’t trade him in 03…se hauldog’s comments.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hindsight is 20/20
we can all look back at decision that were made easily see if it ended up good/bad. what about now? are they happy he’s gone?
by HALO_86 on Dec 12, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well let's look at this logically
and statistically. If the Red Sox were to have attempted to make Manny behave in the very beginning and he doesn’t cooperate, so they trade him away in 03, then unless they are able to trade him away for a stud who would have produced the same way, the Sox would not have won 2 World Series.
Are they happy he’s gone. It is way too early to tell. Had the Manny had enough talent around him to go to the WS with the Dodgers you would have heard alot of Boston fans start crying the blues. Manny had a huge impact with the Dodgers. Put talent around him like the Angels have ( or any other team), watch him go a win a couple more WS while Boston doesn’t and I know Boston will look at it as a mistake to trade him.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 12, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It all comes down to the same thing:
I’m not okay with having a guy like that on my team. You are. Not wrong…just different.
I love the Angels. Rooting for them is one of my favorite things in the world. But I can’t root for Manny. I respect the game too much. So, personally, if he were an Angel I would lose a lot. That’s all I’m saying.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 12, 2008 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really
i don’t want to look back and say what if. that would be too hard because if they did trade him, they could have easily signed someone else with Manny caliber. whats done is done. Manny stayed and helped the Redsox won 2 WS.
Redsox knew what they were giving up. so i can assume there happy because they got rid of a headache.
by HALO_86 on Dec 12, 2008 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
is we’ll be hearing an 8/170 from boston soon.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Dec 12, 2008 4:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, doubtful
They would have to trade Lowell, who was quite clutch and amazing in the 07 run.
Why overpay when they have two amazing corner infielders already signed. My opinion now is they need to focus on beating the Yankees and Rays.
The Rays had their number last year and IF the Yankees retarded huge signing pay off, even just for next year, a rotation of CC Burnett Joba Wang would be devastating.
And the Yankees still have a pretty good offense, if I remember correctly.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 12, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CAN ANYBODY ELSE CONFIRM THIS?
this was posted by “Halos Nation” on Myspace…. take it for what it is.
"Jeff Biggs just reported that TR confirmed to him the Angels today made an offer for 8 years to Tex. In the 180-185 million.
This was on 830 am…"
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 12, 2008 8:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good, if thats true we have a new first baseman
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 12, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UPDATE
i am currently listening to Jeff Biggs on AM 830, and he just again reported that Reagins told him that there is an 8 year offer out to Teixeira.
No financial terms were released, but there is an 8 year offer out to Tex.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 12, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I frickin HATE AM 830
I can’t hear Shit in Ventura County
by Seik1177 on Dec 12, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im listening online
i cant get it in the desert either.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 12, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Biggsy...somebody make a new blog of this!!!
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 12, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
MannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyMannyManny
What will the media be talking about this off season should the following come true?
Yankees sign CC & AJ
Angels sign Manny & Tex
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 13, 2008 9:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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