Teixeira: Will He or Won't He?
It looks like it's going to come down to us and the Bosox. We need Tex a lot more than they do and I can't fathom why they would spend upwards of $160M+ when they have a very good team in place and can get a lot of role players for that kind of dough. It looks like this will get done one way or another within the next few days, What do think will happen?
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If as reported
The Red Sox offered 150 over 6 he is as good as gone
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 14, 2008 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bustrr Olney just reported on the TV hot stove report
that he thinks the Teixeira deal will happen this week and he is predicting he goes to Boston.
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by 44FAN on Dec 14, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Olney
is often wrong (he was reporting this as a done deal earlier in the week…say it enough and eventually maybe he’ll be right), but the LATimes reports today that Boston is expected to match or top whatever the Angels offer, so it does indeed sound like Teixeira is as good as gone.
It’s really disappointing, but when someone else is willing to go one dollar higher than you no matter what, you just can’t win. It might take an annual value of $30 million or higher to keep the BoSox away, and that would just be silly.
by jjackflash on Dec 14, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just reporting the latest news from ESPN, I never said it was true.
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by 44FAN on Dec 14, 2008 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How you figure
According to all the reports/rumors out there, he’s been pushing for a long term contract the whole time, initial reports/rumors were the Angels wanted to go only 6 years and were pushed to go to 8 by the market.
Why is it the Sox are the only one that can present and offer of 6 years and it’s automatically the one that will be accepted?
by Seik1177 on Dec 14, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps because the rumor is it averages 25 per
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 14, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most important to him is amount of years ( money is too)
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by vlad IS my man on Dec 14, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
West Coast Disadvantage
It’s hard for us to understand the toll that travel takes on our West Coast players. Add to that Tex’s East Coast background and the fact that his family is there, and you begin to realize why he would prefer Boston. I hate it, but that don’t make it not true.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 14, 2008 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
Why do these players from the east coast even bother to play west of the mississippi? You’d think California is on the dark side of the moon. All I know is for 160 mil., Tex could really rack up the frequent flyer miles.
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by halofolife on Dec 14, 2008 12:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
thinking
if i was in Teix position i would pick the Angels over the Redsox, like most of us in here. i dont’ know if i would pick the Dodgers over the east coast team. i would go to SD for less money if they were competitive over an east coast team if the money was close.
by HALO_86 on Dec 14, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
god forbid people play in an area with amazingly beautiful people, perfect weather and the beach within driving distance of nearly everywhere. torii knew what was up…if Teix wants to go to Bean town so be it…f-him.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 14, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But wait .........
We have some things going for us:
1. Tex played here and from everything I heard he liked the experience.
2. In Boston the whole area lives and dies with the team. It’s live or die with their fans and the media. Lot less of a pressure cooker here.
That being said, if the offers are roughly the same I think he is gone. But if there is a bit of a difference in length or $$$$$ that might be enough. It’s only a rumor, bit I heard the offer was 8/$175M. If it’s true and that doesn’t get it done then then good riddance.
by Deacon Davoman on Dec 14, 2008 1:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like we have our third known minister behind Rev Halofan, and stuck in Romania at HH.
Welcome.
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by 44FAN on Dec 14, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think that a sliding offer would have been a good thing to offer Teix and Boras...
- 5 years/$140 Million ($28 Mil per year)
- 6 years/$155 Million ($25.8 Mil per year)
- 7 years/$170 Million ($24.2 Mil per year)
- 8 years/$185 Million ($23.2 Mil per year)
That gives HIM the option – does he was long-term security or the most money per year.
If he chooses the 5 year deal he is free to negotiate a new deal after his age 34 season for another 4, 5 or 6 years with some other team.
Jim Scully
by jimmuscomp on Dec 14, 2008 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Money and length matter, but when it comes to two competing teams with the same offer, Tex is going to look at the team around him, and Boston offers him the better chance at getting to the WS. Unless we land Peavy or another big bat, this team is relatively unchanged from last year, and last year wasn’t good enough. Ninja would have to assure Tex that by making Anaheim his home, they won’t stand pat with just him and say we’re good. We still have a hole in LF, we need a more productive leadoff hitter, one more talented bullpen arm, and either a #5 starter, or if that #5 is Mosely, then a long guy in the pen. Bottom line, we have holes, and Boston pretty much only needs to deal an arm to Texas for a better catcher. I want to believe, but I don’t know that I should…
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by feNOMINAL on Dec 14, 2008 1:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
THIS is where I draw the line...
Wait a minute! I voted no too…for reasons already stated. But this whole “he’ll play in Boston because they have a better chance of getting to the World Series” thing doesn’t hold water.
The fact that we have holes now doesn’t mean we still will have them on Opening Day. LF will be filled. K Mo is a competent hitter. And even WITH Tex, I think we can add Fuentes to the pen. And do you really think that Boston has NO holes at all? They’re losing their Captain, fer cryin out loud. They need a catcher and TWO starters! OF, SS, and depth are also question marks. I don’t see why they would walk to the WS with Tex any more than we would.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 14, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anaheim is the safer bet for the post season.
Boston may have the better team, but they don’t have necessarily have a better chance at the world series/post-season. The AL west is the weaker division. With Tampa Bay becoming a contender last year and the Yankees making big moves, there’s 3 teams in the AL east that will be at best, fighting for two playoff spots. At least one of those clubs will miss out. Even if we do nothing this off season we are still favored to win the west. I’d say Anaheim is the safer bet, at least for making the post season. That’s the way the ninja should be spinning it to Tex.
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by NW angels Fan on Dec 14, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Uh...
The AL west is the weaker division. With Tampa Bay becoming a contender last year and the Yankees making big moves, there’s 3 teams in the AL east that will be at best, fighting for two playoff spots.
… and if the Red Sox keep swatting the Angels out of the postseason in the first round, that’s a drawing card?
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by scareduck on Dec 14, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the red sox can only keep swatting the angels out of the post season if they themselves make it there. imo they aren’t a lock to make it. i don’t think asking tex to join the most competitive division in baseball is much of a drawing card either. just hoping he signs with us.
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by NW angels Fan on Dec 14, 2008 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And remember what he said at the end of the season....
Teix was asked if he was going to pay attention to what teams did in the off-season and he said definitely. So far we have done nothing but let players go…that cant look good on paper. shit. I change my vote.
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 14, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And what has Boston done?
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 14, 2008 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beat us
in the playoffs every year. So unchanged team vs. unchanged team why would he think it would be any different.
by turs12 on Dec 14, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im looking forward to this getting resolved
if the red sox are paying him 25 million a year, let them. His slow start will be like JD Drew’s first year only twice as bad. He’ll get ridden hard by the fans and media if he doesnt live up to the contract and for all we know may even fail to heat up because of the pressure
hope being close to home is worth it marky
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 14, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting a sinking feeling
If Tex really wanted the Angels we would have heard some encouraging news by now.
by 10 27 02 on Dec 14, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’ll take some PEAVY to ease my pain
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 14, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and sum Dunnz
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 14, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Player Union will push for Tex to accept our deal.
Never underestimate the greed to the MLBPU.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 14, 2008 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
of the*
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 14, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they liked the highest possible $/yr?
I see red people
by The Limey on Dec 14, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to vote for Tex staying with us...
But I’m a bit worried that he has such a substantial offer on the table from us and he hasn’t jumped at it yet. I know a lot of this could be Boras stalling tactics, but it could be that the offer from the Angels just won’t get it done.
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by Angel Hawker on Dec 14, 2008 2:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's typical Boras maneuvering
His clients take a LONG time to settle on one offer or another.
That said, I do think we’re getting pretty close to the endgame here.
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by scareduck on Dec 14, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The general attitude around the league
apparently is that the Angels are making such a last stand with this offer, thinking its a big deal. They sent to owner to Boras so he could offer it personally, like it was the biggest contract of all time or something. Basically the 8/160 deal was pretty much a standard discussed before the season even ended, and the fact the Halos front office makes it look like its the end all offer from heaven presented by Jesus himself is whats silly.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 14, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A Deal by Christmas
That’s what Tex said he wanted and I think that’s what he’ll do. I don’t put much stock into not hearing anything yet. He’s probably taking the weekend to think it over.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 14, 2008 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We HAVE to get Tex.
Whatever it takes. Because at this point, it looks like the Red Sox will get him if we don’t and that is the worst-case scenario for us.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 14, 2008 3:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We couldn't f-ing beating them when WE had him.
I can’t wait till he tears us a new on in bawstin in another first round sweep.
But then again the Rays and Yankees could somehow take the division and wild card, good god I hope so.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 14, 2008 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
way to think positive
I dont think we’re any worse off with or without teixeira. Is 25 mil spent on a slugger and a pitcher any worse than JUST 25 on teixiera? What if he gets hurt? Than you got nothing.
Let the red sox have him for 25 million a year. Contracts that big dont tend to work out well anyway
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 14, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually top dollar contracts to top players do tend to work out fine.
The real problem is not spending top dollar while spending medium to high dollar contracts for mediocre free agent veterans.
by snowhor on Dec 14, 2008 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction:
The real problem is not spending top dollar on premier players while spending medium to high dollar contracts for mediocre free agent veterans.
by snowhor on Dec 14, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Look it up
Big hitters signings usually work out well, while almost all pitcher big FA contracts fall apart very fast.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 14, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels cannot beat the Red Sox in the post season, period
They will be much less inclined to do so if they lose
a)their best hitter
b)their closer
c)both LFs who were also effective hitters
while the Sawk just get better, its not defeatism its realism.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 14, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Their Closer
How did he do against Boston in the playoffs last year? (Game 2). Will losing him really hurt?
by turs12 on Dec 14, 2008 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
however
saying you “can’t wait till he tears us a new on in bawstin in another first round sweep” is not realism. it hasnt happened, it might happen but it hasnt. saying its more or less a foregone conclusion is defeatism. its a long season, and it hasnt even started yet. why dont we let the market and the season at least play halfway out before we make statements like these.
by linkbruin on Dec 15, 2008 1:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more...
If you look at our franchise, our team is getting better with addition by subtraction. However, the centerpiece of our off season has to be Mark Teixeria. Kendry Morales in Left Field instead of Garret is an opportunity for an upgrade. And although I do no believe Arredondo is an upgrade over Frankie he adds more value because he is a lot more affordable alternative.
I think Teix is the only signing we should be focusings on. I would also dive head first into the Peavy deal. If there is a way we can lock up a NL Cy Young Award winner for the next 4 years by dealing a starting pitcher, an outfielder, a middle infielder, and 1-2 prospects, I think it is a no brainer.
Boston on paper hasn’t gotten better yet. Allowing Morales do start every day will certainly be an opportunity that could make us better. Signing Tex will certainly enhance our team along with a potential Peavy trade.
by Jay Cal on Dec 15, 2008 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras
Boras will push him to Boston because Boston will overpay for Varitek (another Boras client).
by lewkay on Dec 14, 2008 3:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Alternative?
I know we’ve all been around and around about this in our heads. But if the Sox end up with Tex, which seems likely, who do we all think ends up an Angel?
I’m guessing that Fuentes goes into the pen…Burrell ends up in LF…and possibly Rivera gets re-signed.
Those are just my guesses, mind you. Not what I think would be best. Burrell might be Dunn. Rivera might be GA. Y’never know.
That STILL gets us into the postseason. And once you get there, anything can happen. Boston has become such an albatross to us…but the past does not dictate the present, friends.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 14, 2008 3:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To me
This would be the ideal situation.
Slip Dunn into the clean up position with Vlad batting third and hunter 5th.
And Peavy needs no explanation, huge improvement over Moseley.
by lackey41 on Dec 14, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy's not replacing Moseley, though
He’d be replacing Weaver or Saunders, as one of those two would be headed to San Diego.
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by Carl Johnson on Dec 14, 2008 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Weaver for Peavy
Are you kidding me? That’s a no-brainer. But you’re all getting ahead of yourselves. Peavy, like Tex, gets to decide whether or not he wants to play for us.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 14, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My point was that saying Peavy is a "huge improvement over Moseley" isn't really correct
We wouldn’t be replacing Moseley, we’d be replacing Weaver/Saunders.
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by Carl Johnson on Dec 14, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What I am afraid of is
that the “premier” target is lost and we scramble to overpay for the left overfor the sake of making moves to give the apperances of a successful offseason. I like and am for getting Dunn and Fuentes to sign in addition to adding Peavy if Tex goes elsewhere (some can be done in addition should Tex sign). The fear is that Tex goes to Boston then we trade more then we should for Peavy and pay above market to ensure Dunn ($15+/yr) and Fuentes ($11/yr).
I wonder if the the Halos announcement of their offer was made for the same reason the Dodgers made Manny’s public – so that it shows the fan base an earnest, fair attempt was made to retain them when the chance of losing them was getting bigger.
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by gorams77 on Dec 14, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im going for no one...
seriously if we dont get teix…lets just sit back, save some cash and see how our team does. I mean it.
Think about it:
We got a lot of young talent, the league wont know how to pitch to them, kids dont have much pressure of earning a spot on the roster because they just spent 5 years in AAA and know that the kids behind them got some time. and FINALLY…none of them…except for Wood while warming his ass on some wood…have the experience of losing to boston over and over in the playoffs. It will be fun. Youthful guys out there to just play some baseball with a few vetrans (Lack, Torii, Vlad) to guide them along. Think about it….
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 14, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
im definitely for getting Dunn if no Tex
his market is wayyyyyyy down. Im thinking we could actually get him for around 11-12 mil per year, which would be an absolutely amazing steal. Think about it too, GMJ is out for a few months, leaving us with an outfield of (assuming KMO is at first) Willits/Torii/Vlad and our 4th OF is Evans. I guess we could move figgins to LF, and then give wood 3B and keep aybar at SS, and have S-Rod and maicer play super sub, but id rather sign dunn, and trade one of Aybar/SRod along with Willits and Weaver and someone like BJ Phillips for Peavy (This might actually be enough to get him). Adding Dunn and Peavy for a total cost of less than tex with only giving up Srod/Aybar and Willits (Peavy replaces Weaver, so we improve there), all while keeping our draft picks
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Dec 14, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn would play 1st
He is a much better firstbaseman than LFer.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 14, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm interesting
which would be better fielding wise?
KMo at first, and Dunn in LF or
Dunn at first, and KMo in LF or
KMo at first, Willits in LF, and Dunn the DH or
Dunn at first, Willits in LF, and KMo as the DH or
KMo at first, Dunn in RF, and Vlad the DH (willits LF) or
Dunn at first, KMo in RF, and Vlad the DH (willits LF)?
assuming GMJ isnt healthy yet, and willits outperforms evans in ST, and Torii in LF and Vlad in RF
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Dec 14, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
close your eyes and choose?
id rather give vlad a glove than dunn or kmo personally. and i dont really wanna see willits out there. dunn would probably be best at first, and then kinda make due from there.
by linkbruin on Dec 15, 2008 1:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
vlad is an ok fielder, limited range but a cannon for an arm
his knees though are a problem
and theres a high probability that willits starts next year (if we dont sign another OF, or if we dont sign Tex)
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Dec 15, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Willits
i don’t think we can afford to have Willits out there. i’m sorry but he’s not a starter.
by HALO_86 on Dec 15, 2008 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IF he can keep up his 07 OBP while playing slightly above average LF defense
then hes a serviceable starter, and a top of the order guy who frees up figgy for a trade. Is he gonna be an allstar? NO, but that doesnt mean he doesnt have value
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Dec 16, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Figgy
off of last season, what kind of value do u have in Figgy?
by HALO_86 on Dec 17, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a premier leadoff man that can steal lots of bases
And is very versatile in the field. The chisox and cubs have been dying to have him for a long time
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on Dec 20, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you basing this on?
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 15, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why
sign Fuentes? I am not trying to jump on you personally, but Fuentes is the same thing as Ibanez. We are paying top dollar to another guy that we all ready had on the roster (GA and Krod). If we wanted a closer we should have made an offer to Krod. We have guys who can close, it is time for them to take over.
Closer, IMHO, is the most overrated position in baseball, we should never be paying more than 25 million in any contact to a relief pitcher. Every year I see a new closer come onto the scene(sherrill this year) who blows everyone away and another one who shits the bed (cordero *injured (gagne) etc.). We have the arms to replace Krod, at least in theory, why not let that pan out?
by bruinbrah on Dec 14, 2008 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
More or less
Have a closer who preforms well in the clutch and have your best relief pitcher(s) in Arrendondo and Shields pitch when you need them instead of tying them down only to the 9th.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 14, 2008 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually buy into
the 7th and 8th inning relievers being more significant, it would be hard for me to stomach paying a 33 year old approximately the same contract as a 26 year old, that has proven himself in the AL. If we could get him on shields spier money, that would be a different story.
by bruinbrah on Dec 15, 2008 7:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus...
Fuentes has brown skin. I want a white closer.
Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!
by Angel Hawker on Dec 15, 2008 6:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont worry -
as long as you dont talk about my momma and family – no attack is personal. My thinking – when the closer market (as saturated as it was) was being projected early on I was reading that Frankie may get @ $13 mil while Fuentes would be around $8 – $9 for 3 yrs and would would be @ $7 for two. Then all of a sudden KRod signs and Fuentes projection jumped and Wood signed for $10. I wasn’t against Fuentes so much at his initial projection and yrs.
My whole point though was about my fear that if they lose Tex they will then turn around and overpay for the “best of the rest” for the sake of apperances or making a move
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by gorams77 on Dec 15, 2008 7:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
i wouldn’t want Fuentes because closers are overrated to certain point. when you see Pap go out there in the 9th inning you pretty much think the game is over. i never got that feeling with K-Rod. i definitely don’t get that feeling with Fuentes.
i think all relievers are important espcially the ones that come in pressure situations in the 7th and 8th innings. i still wouldn’t want to bring someone from the outside unless its in the same price range as Shields. we have enough young strong arms that can go 1-2 innings.
by HALO_86 on Dec 15, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree and rec'd.
We need strong arms in the pen who can get people out. I don’t care if it’s in the 6th, 7th, 8th or 9th innings.
by snowhor on Dec 15, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he does leave
why not Jason Giambi behind Guerreeo?
by lightupthehalo! on Dec 14, 2008 4:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ehh
depends on the salary, but unless its a steal id rather sign dunn
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Dec 14, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
younger, probably cheaper and the same production
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 14, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No push broom moustachioed 1B behind this guy named Guerreeo
by Big Easy Halofan on Dec 14, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Giambi is a local guy
if the Angels offer him an incentive laiden short term contract I say sign him and watch him produce. Something about ending out your career (while still having retained roughly 70% of your skills…post roids) while playing for your hometown team leads me to believe that this could have far more reward than risk for the Halos.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roider. Arte has drawn his line in the sand on this one
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 16, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No charges nothing on GMJ. It all happened after he signed.
Giambi apologized in a press conference. I also think he still is on the HGH
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 16, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giambi
i like him alot but i’m with the others. i don’t think he’s a right fit. plus i’m personally against incentive contracts.
by HALO_86 on Dec 17, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you against incentive contracts?
Just curious.
I was uncool before uncool was cool.
by WiHaloFan on Dec 17, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
incentives
in a team sport, i think on a personal level incentives can play with a players mind. i wouldn’t want incentives hanging over my head when i come up to bat in a crucial situation where i have to decide on team v personal goals. depending on how big the incentives are it can be very difficult choice for some players.
i should restate that incentives are fine i guess if the player is coming off an injury and your basing it off of past success. in terms of inning pitched, games, AB etc. something that proves that you were healthy.
by HALO_86 on Dec 17, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bleccch!
Bleccch bleccch.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 14, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...to Giambi, that is.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 14, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boston
Have they really said there interested in U-Haul or just the media?
They have a good back up for 1st in the minors allready and would have to give up draft picks.
I don’t see them signing him and would not be supprised if it’s just another Boras game?
I see them needing other infield help besides 1st and a catcher also.
I would love him to come back but also don’t really mind seeing how K-MO does-there isn’t any thing else he can do in the minors.
Trade Weaver and PLEASE don’t touch Saunders
Weavers going to be a little B*%&# just like his bro turned out to be and Saunders has alot of upside to him still.
Angels World Series Champs in 2009 - and the crowd goes crazy-START THE LOOTING
by MOJOJAZZ on Dec 14, 2008 7:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
they have Lars Anderson, a super 1B prospect
they dont need Tex. The only possible way this makes sense is if they get rid of two of Anderson/Lowell/Youkisuck/Ortiz. I would asume they would hold onto Youkisuck cuz he can play 1B and 3B. So they would probably have an infield (IF they sign tex) of 1B-Tex, 2B-Pedroia, SS-Lugo? 3B-Youk and a DH of Ortiz. That leaves anderson and lowell out. And unfortunately they could get alot with those two players (peavy, if they involved a third team and get propsects for lowell, then flip those prospects to the padres. If the Sux get Tex and Peavy, i will murder someone, and then the pressure is back on us to respond)
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Dec 14, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, Buster "I Jerk off thinking of the Sawx nightly" Olney reported this!
He is infallible, we should know this by know.
Cheers to his holyness, Pope Olney!
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 14, 2008 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he actually worked the Padres beat when he was younger
and is from the south, so I doubt he has a boston preference. If anything, he just makes educated guesses given their history and resources
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 14, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He works for ESPN
your point is moot.
I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....
by PhiSlamma on Dec 14, 2008 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you meant this:
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/794/hairisabird.jpg
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Dec 14, 2008 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also worked in NY for years
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 15, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Weaver for PEAVY NOT Saunders
Is what I ment
Angels World Series Champs in 2009 - and the crowd goes crazy-START THE LOOTING
by MOJOJAZZ on Dec 14, 2008 7:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wake Up!
The Angels are not getting Tex and its time to move on! So Stop… he is gone! Now we need to look at other options.
We should be talking to Boras about Manny, while concurrently working on deal to bring Jake Peavy to the Angels. This would be a great start. We could fill LF with a lower priced guy and sign Lyon for the pen.
Light up the Freakin Halo!
by marshgr on Dec 14, 2008 11:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If tex is gone
pull the trigger on Peavy, sign Dunn, look into what figgins could bring us in a trade
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Dec 15, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
STAY
the bug has spoken……………..
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring".
Rogers Hornsby
by ladybug on Dec 14, 2008 11:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tex-Watch 2009!
We now go live to our reporter in the field – Tom, any updates?
No word yet, Jim, but I’m standing in the rain for dramatic effect anyway.
"I've got more action than my man John Woo
And I've got mad hits like I was Rod Carew" - Shure Shot, The Beastie Boys
by Zoe Necrosis on Dec 15, 2008 6:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bosox offer Tex $200 mil over 8 years . . . ?
From the O.C. Register:
‘Dan Patrick reported on his show on AM 570 that the Boston Red Sox have made first baseman Mark Teixeira an eight-year, $200 million offer.
If so, that blows the reported eight-year, $160 million offers by the Angels and the Washington Nationals out of the water.
Patrick said Monday morning: "If it’s true they’re offering $200 million to a career .290 hitter, it’ll be interesting to see what the Angels do."’
by G Abbes on Dec 15, 2008 8:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If thats the case, time to bow out.
May turn out to be a blessing in disguise see konerko, soriano et al. This franchise doesn’t have 200 mil to blow on one player, we were stretching at 160. Can it be done? Yes, but at what cost. We can get good value for 100 million this year, and Tex while he would be money in the lineup, didn’t change our fate last year (I know his stats so don’t bother, the fact is that he was supposed to be the Big bat, and while he got on base nearly every at bat, he did not add the dimension of big bat). Probably just making excuses for us losing out again, but there are plenty of efficient moves out there that can make this team better, lets just hope there are no more GMJ’s in our future.
by bruinbrah on Dec 15, 2008 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if thats true
wheres all the fans that said we sign him no matter what? do u top that? do u outbid that? Teix is not worth more then 20M/yr. if this is true then good. thanks for the 2+months. bye
by HALO_86 on Dec 15, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Tex back, but I wouldn't top that.
Maybe stretch it to 22m per year. If not, sign Dunn. Then exchange some of our low OBP guys for high OBP guys.
by snowhor on Dec 15, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We should just
secretly convince all other teams not to trade for Mike Lowell. That way the Red Sox will really be screwed!
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 15, 2008 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And now MLBTR is reporting
that Dan Patrick was only speaking in the hypothetical. That 8/200 rumors is false. There is still hope yet…
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 15, 2008 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is what I hate about sports talk radio.
A bunch of blowhardy blowhards making shit up to create something to talk about that gets reported as legitimate. What’s next, this blowhard starts speaking in the hypothetical about a Yankee $250m offer to Tex that then gets picked up by espn.com?
by snowhor on Dec 15, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mariners
offer 100 million to Bonds!
ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 15, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes, but that was before reading about the Patrick thing. if the Patrick thing is true then no way in hell would I sign him.
If the Patrick thing is true forget it. There is no way in hell I would pay him 200 million. That is insane and should only be reserved for an elite player that just absolutely dominates and can be the face of a franchise which Tex isn’t. He is on the next tier as a premium player. He isn’t Pujols, Ramirez in his prime, ARod at his peak b4 he was a Yankee, or even Vladdy in his prime. Heck, one could make an argument that David Wright is worthy of 200 million more than Tex considering he is a few years younger, plays a more premium position at 3B, steals bases, hits for a higher average than Tex, and provides about the same level of power and OBP as Tex would.
I feel a fair contract for both sides would be about 160-180 for 8 years which is on the high end. Even then I don’t think it is worth it since there are many comparable players out there that could provide similar offense albeit with worse defense at 1B or at a different position for a lower cost.
I see him at this point in his career, with respect to age and offensive performance over the last 3 years, as being on the same tier as other 1B such as Miguel Cabrera, Justin Morneau, Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder, and Adrian Gonzalez. Sure there are some horrible players on that list who can’t play defense on 1B, but the Angels and other teams will be paying the big bucks for his offense and not his defense.
If one were to expand beyond the position of 1B, it becomes evident that Teixera is not as irreplaceable as some people make him out to be.
Chase Utley plays a premium position at 2B and has offensive numbers comparable to Tex.
Grady Sizemore may not have the same power as Tex or hit for the same average, but his numbers on those areas aren’t a great drop off. Plus he is 2 years younger, has a similar high OBP, and steals a ton of bases.
Adam Dunn seems to get harshly criticized for a perception that he is apathetic, has a tendency to strikeout a ton, should only DH, and of course the most common argument that he had his power numbers greatly aided by playing in the hitter friendly Cinergy Field before his trade to Arizona.
What people seem to forget about Tex is that he too played in a hitter friendly environment in Texas. One could argue that he was greatly aided by playing his home games there. That could help explain why in 2004 he it 38 HRs and in his career year in 2005 he hit 43 HRs, drove in 144, hit 41 doubles, and smacked 194 with a .301 average. The following season he still produced solid numbers; however, his home runs dropped to 33 that year while his average dropped to .282 which would be seen as a disappointment after having 3 consecutive seasons of improvement from 2003-2005.
Will he ever reach the heights of 2004 and 2005 again? If he is able to play to his 2005 level for most of his contract, then he will well be worth the 200 million since those numbers would put him in the elite class with Pujols and Manny. One has to wonder though why someone with Tex’s skill set has not been able to replicate those numbers the last 3 years. Is it due to his first half slow starts? Was he unhappy his final full season in Texas which hurt his numbers? Is it something else? Those are just way too many questions IMO for someone that you are about to be committed for 8 years and pay 200 million dollars. It seems like everyone overlooks that his peak was 3 years ago for some reason.
by stolenbases on Dec 15, 2008 3:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps you should look at Tex's numbers for the half season he played for us
While he won’t produce those for an entire season, he is clearly valuable.
Every player you named as an alternative is signed to a LT deal. We can’t them
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 15, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tex's numbers and the other players
I apologize if I seemed to have slighted Tex’s numbers because they are still very solid and would be a great addition to any team. I would love for the Angels to resign Tex, but I realize we aren’t the Yankees or Boston and can’t just throw 200 million around and even with 160 we have to be very prudent.
As for his second half numbers with the Angels, it seems that the past few seasons he has started out slow only to catch fire in the 2nd half. I see more of the same next year for any team that he plays with the added caveat that he won’t be playing for a huge contract which one could argue may decrease his second half numbers.
I realize the other players are signed to LT deals or are under team control at very good values except for Dunn. I listed the other players in order to show that the numbers that Tex has been producing since 2006 are not worth IMO 200 million considering there are many other players out there that could produce similar numbers for a lower price. Eventually some of these players may be traded or will become free agents that end up making a pretty penny, but to say that every one of them is going to make 160-200 million and up IMO is very unlikely unless they all get traded or sign with either the Yankees, Boston, or the Mets.
I should have added that if you want to improve your chances in the playoffs at any cost and most have a young power hitter right now, then you must give Tex a blank check a let him put whatever he wants on the dotted line. I just don’t feel it would be very wise for the Angels to do that since IMO even by signing Tex the Angels still have many other holes to fill in order to get to the WS. They may get to the ALCS by only signing Tex, but I don’t feel they will go any further. Moreover, by signing Tex to an outrageous contract, you not only limit what you can do now but will limit what you can do in the future in regards to Lackey, Santana, Guerrero, as well as others.
by stolenbases on Dec 15, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The majority of the players you named have one thing in common
They are still with the teams they started with. Most also have not hit the open market.
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 15, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
with most of it. except the “fair contract” part. there is no such thing is fair. its a business. do i wish we had the revenue of the Yanks or the Redsox? yes. it would be great then we can do whatever we want. then i think we turn into the Yankee fan base become jerks.
I have np with whatever Teix makes. its a business. i just hope its not us that gives him that contract.
by HALO_86 on Dec 15, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GONE
This guy is out of here no way they can through out more money then the Red Sox. Its time to move on. Thanks for nothing Teixeira. Lets go out and pick up some bats that have been in the playoffs before. I would like to see Rocco Baldelli, Brian Fuentes, Pat Burrell and/or Manny. What you think?
by wgarten on Dec 15, 2008 4:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh
Rocco Baldelli – As much as I like hs potential, with his medical condition, he would be an overpriced platoon player
Brian Fuentes – Bullpen is set, really don’t see a need for another reliever.
Pat Burrell – Getting up there in baseball years, Prolong slumps… really not appealling
Manny – Last resort if we can’t get Tex
That my opinion take it for what it is
by Seik1177 on Dec 15, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll pass
on Baldelli and Burrell. Baldelli is a nice player but because of his mitochondrial disorder, he can’t ever be more than a part time player/DH. I say to to Burrell because as I’ve said before, the only crappy defensive outfielders that I’d consider signing at this point are Manny and Dunn. Dunn should be no more than plan C, however.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 15, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, Yes, No, NOOOO!!!
I’d take Fuentes at a discount. I’d take Dunn over Burrell. And my hatred for Manny is a matter of public record.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 15, 2008 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Id take Dunn over everyone
fuentes for 3/24 or so would be awesome, otherwise cordero. and only manny if its 2-45 or 3-55 with a behavior contract clause
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Dec 15, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2-35 or 3-50
my bad
Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere
by anaheim angels on Dec 15, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cordero
what kind of surgery did he have? how much have you read he’s asking for?
by HALO_86 on Dec 15, 2008 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Torn Labum if memory serves me right
I haven’t heard anything in regards to what he’s asking for
by Seik1177 on Dec 16, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hatred for Manny
Until he hits a couple of game winning homers and you buy a Manny Dreadlock hat, haha.
by matt92130 on Dec 16, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would look incredible in a dreadlock hat.
Thank you very much.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on...
So you’re cool signing Manny? Yeah? No? Yeah? No? Okay, k-k-k-k-k, gotcha, you’re not. But for the sake of the hat, I say yes.
by matt92130 on Dec 16, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still no...
…but that’s just me. As to the hat, I look awesome in all manner of headgear.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Teixeira
I’d offer 8 years, $170 million and tell him to go to holy heckaroo if he rejects it.
If he rejects, the Angels have last year’s 100-win team except for 1B and Garland’s spot in the rotation. This is a good team, certainly capable of winning the Western Division.
It’s time for Brandon Wood and Kendry Morales to take up some of the slack left by Kotchman-Teixeira. I don’t know if we can expect Adenhart to replace Garland right now, but certainly by 2010.
by California Cajun on Dec 15, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have moved on now from Tex
We can’t afford to pay someone that isn’t named Albert Pujols 200 million. Though Tex is part of the solution to improving the Angels chances of going deep into the playoffs, it will take a lot more than him which was evident in yet another first round loss to Boston.
The thing that worries me about the Angels is that with their recent success and willingness to not stand pat in the free agent market, the ownership and front office will make a move or sign someone just to say they did something in order to appease the fans that now expect them at the very least to win the AL West or Wild Card and make the playoffs every year.
By signing guys like GMJ in the past or entertaining the thought of signing someone like Burrell, you block the development of a prospect or a younger and cheaper player with potential that may not become a Salmon in his prime or Glaus in his prime, but could eventually become a Chad Curtis, David Eckstein, or JT Snow. Such a player could prove to be a very valuable trading chip to a small market team that may have a player hitting 230-300 with a high OBP and a 500 SLG, but is due for a payday either in arbitration or pending free agency that the team isn’t willing to pay.
I guess what I am trying to say is that since it takes time and patience to develop young players that are going to make mistakes, we may have to endure seasons in which the Angels don’t make the playoffs in order to provide the on the job training needed in order to find out if these players will be the ones to provide a strong nucleus to build the team around or are going to prove to be the next Lee Stevens, George Arias, Dallas McPherson, or Todd Greene for the Halos. We also have to find out if some of these players at the very least end up to be serviceable, cheap, spare parts to trade to other teams as part of a package for a player that could put us over the top.
I am not sure if we have the young nucleus to eventually become like Tampa Bay (I never thought I would be saying that) in Wood, Kendrick, Aybar, or Morales or the cheap spare parts that could help us get a player to build around to replace Vladdy. I just know that we won’t find out by benching them in favor of some overpriced veteran like Burrell.
by stolenbases on Dec 16, 2008 6:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
I am done with tex. I think about all that we can do with that money, and I start to get hiesitant. He didn’t lead us to shit, and we can get the sox to pay 180 for a sinfgles hit-er! lets get manny for 55, dunn, and lock down peavy. we just spent under 100 mill, added 75 home runs and a cy young winner. I am wasted, but a man can dream cant he!!!!!!
by bruinbrah on Dec 15, 2008 9:47 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
looks like it
it brought a smile to my face for some reason though
by stolenbases on Dec 16, 2008 5:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!
Outfielders For Sale! This weeks special...GMJ - see Tony for details!
by gorams77 on Dec 16, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont drink and blog.
The computer has turned into the cell phone, it needs to be left off when drinking heavily. While i don’t remember it, it certainly looks as though I gave myself some props, i must have needed a pat on the back.
by bruinbrah on Dec 16, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
*Pats bruinbrah on back*
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*Congratulates himself for patting bruinbrah on back*
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahaha
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 16, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now they have Tex at 22-28 mil!
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 8:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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