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8 Years @ $200 million? Red Sox = New Yankees

If this report is true, if the Sox are really offering Teixeira $200 million for 8 years, is there any way they can maintain the vitriol against the Yankees?  They can't hate them for paying players way too much anymore.  They can't hate them for their obnoxious fans.  What do they have left?  The pinstripes?

At least the Angels are maintaining some integrity when it comes to payroll and some common sense.  This would be the last straw in the transformation...the Red Sox have officially become that which they hate the most.

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$39,000 per AB

Not bad work, if you can get it!

by SocalAngelFaninOC on Dec 15, 2008 9:48 AM PST reply actions  

The best benchmark, though, is CC

If he makes every scheduled start, and throws 100 PPG, he will average $6,250 per PITCH!

by SocalAngelFaninOC on Dec 15, 2008 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

vitriol

If they do sign Teixeira at $25million/per, Boston’s payroll will be about $135 million, while the Yankees sometimes top $200 million. I bet they can find a little space in that $65 million difference to cultivate some vitriol.

Saving countless runs with my defense.

by Sam Miller OCR on Dec 15, 2008 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

But...

…that payroll isn’t set yet, is it? And where will it be at the end of the 8 years? Good point though…and an excellent reuse of “vitriol.”

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 15, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

If its true?

This means one of two things. The 8/180 million rumor is true and the Red Sox have upped the offer to 200 million. However, why would they go to 200 million and not simply match us if Tex is an “East Coast guy” and wants to stay there? Maybe he really does want to be an Angel and the Sox are making it difficult for him to do that. I’m sorry I just have a hard time swallowing loosing to the Red Sox’s again. We have to break this or we will always be their b-ch. Seriously my competitive juices would not lose this one. I would call Boras and say I will only match the red sox’s offer if Tex will sign with us

by AMB07 on Dec 15, 2008 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

your

dreaming. another way to look at is its almost X-Mas and Teix said he hoped it would get done before that day. so maybe the Redsox are just slamming the door shut on the competition. Nats and Orioles can match maybe go higher but their losing teams. Angels won’t go that high and if the Angels do then good we get stuck with a huge contract while there free to spend and deal throughout the next few yrs, especially with the fact that they know they beat us with Teix already.

by HALO_86 on Dec 15, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Soth said on the Sports Lodge today that he is certain Teix is going to happen this week one way or the other.

Let’s hope it is our way.

Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!

by 44FAN on Dec 15, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

what I am starting to have a hard time with is...

180 million dollars vs. 200 million dollars. When you start thinking about the amount of money these premier players are getting offered, there comes a point where it becomes ridiculous. Let’s start with 160 million dollars. Hmmm, I don’t know if I could support my family on that over the next 6 to 8 years. Follow me here. I said 160 million dollars to support a family for 6 to 8 years. WTF. If you have that much money and you can’t make it last a life time, you have problems my friend. Or you are greedy. Where did these players come from. Did they play this game to become the highest paid player so that their ego’s can be stroked, or are they playing the game because of passion and the perspective of how fortuneate they are to be doing what they love to do.

When you love what you do, the money almost always follows. And when you love what you do, making the most money you can is not the driving force.

Someone needs to seriously sit down with these players how in the hell they survived on a 2 or 3 million dollar salary, so that I can understand why jumping to 12 million isn’t enough.

And finally, you have palyers making this kind of money who still need to charge money for an autograph.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 15, 2008 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly, Matt.

These are the 750 best baseball players in the world – they are highly skilled and highly sought after. In that subgroup, Mark Teixeira is in the top 10%, which is a conservative estimate. He is not only ENTITLED to test the market and take the offer from the highest bidder – but he really is doing a disservice to himself and his peers if he doesn’t…

Get off your high horses, folks. We ALL look for the gig with the best pay or the best perks – not just to support our families, but because we feel as though we deserve those things based on our skills, experience and past accomplishments.

Why is a baseball player different?

by jimmuscomp on Dec 16, 2008 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

so you would take

a position with a company (say…a wall street co.) that you know is misleading it’s investors, because you have nothing to do with that end of the business, and it affords you and your family the most money and because you worked your ass off and deserve the money & perks based upon your skills, experience, and past accomplishments?

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Where did your hypothetical come from?

How are the Red Sox lying to their fans? Are they secretly playing Jai alai in Fenway and not baseball?

You make zero sense with this argument and do nothing to cement your argument in any way. You inserted ethical hypotheticals into an equation where there were none. Of course, if he is taking a high-paying job for some damn Ponzi scheme then that is one thing. But he is entertaining offers from a handful of MLB teams – who all pretty much play under the same circumstances. In that case, you go where the money is. Of course, winning is a legitimate concern for Grade A players and I am sure that the Sox or Angels have a certain advantage over the Orioles or Nationals, but who knows.

by jimmuscomp on Dec 16, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Jim, let me clarify.

to this point I haven’t done a good job.

Based solely upon the information you are using for your post and on the info most of us (me included) are getting from the rumor mill & occasional direct quote from the players:

My original response was that I have a hard time with players “reportedly” struggling making a decision like CC did and like what is “reportedly” going on with Tex. They are both very similar…CC & Tex’s situation, with the large sums of money being the center of everything despite “geographic/family” needs. And I believe that most people feel the same way when you consider what these players do and how much they are getting paid to do it. Is it hard as hell to get where they are…YES. Does anyone that works really hard deserve to get as much as they can EARN…..YES!

But you see, these players, either thru their comments or from those of their agents give off the perception to most of us that they are not in touch with the fans who support them. So the sarcasm you hear is due to trying to understand how an athlete who is fortuneate enough to be where he is at struggling with amounts of money he will probably never spend in his lifetime (if he has a brain).

The latest responses I have given were to your point and I quote:
"We ALL look for the gig with the best pay or the best perks – not just to support our families, but because we feel as though we deserve those things based on our skills, experience and past accomplishments. "
That generalization is certainly not true and I gave my own personal response to that since the question were directed at me. My response was addressing that and had nothing to do with the Sox lying to their fans.

The responses that I have been getting have a certain sarcasm to them…I get it.
In the end, it really depends upon what kind of lifestyle you feel you need and the amount of money it is going to take to support it. If you are fortuneate enough to get paid doing what you love to do and that also supports the lifestyle you need, than you are truly a fortuneate human being.

What I am trying to grasp is the professional athelete.
1st: you have to have been given the God given talent / be born with it whatever you want to call it to (in this example), be a professional baseball player.
 2nd: you need to be fortuneate enough to recognize it and be able to develop it to it’s full potential.
Naturally, there is going to be alot of competition and with that competition comes the drive, for most, to elevate themselves even higher. Typically for most of these young atheletes, this also drives and feeds their egos.
At this point, when these atheletes make “the show”, I often wonder what it is that drives them to play. But with all of these amazing contracts I begin to question their motivation. Surely the love of playing the game initially. But are they playing to be the best at their position, or are they playing to win a ring. Some are fortuneate enough to do both, but as we have seen that is not too common. Where this delema becomes clearer is later on when players “test the market” as is their right to do.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I wouldn't take that position

Because working for crooks by definition doesn’t involve doing my “life’s work.”

Still waiting to hear your inspiring personal example of turning down the highest bidder for your honorable work.

by mattwelch on Dec 16, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I turn down the highest bidder all the time.

Just the other day, some corporate fuck came up to me and offered a boatload of money to work for him. And I said, “shit man, I ain’t all about the money.”

I don’t understand why people get so…wait a minute, someone just drove up to my window………….wow, what a bitch, I ain’t the fucker that overcooked her mcgriddle, so I don’t know why’s she’s yellin at me……..now where was I, oh yeah, I turn boatloads of cash every day because of my morals.

by snowhor on Dec 16, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

yuck yuck yuck.

Kind of sounds like the corporate man’s mentalitly.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Matt. Ever had a sales job??

Plenty of examples can be given. Do I need to be specific?

What is your profession, maybe we can be more specific.

In the end, it’s all subjective my friend. It will come down to what you do and how you honestly feel about what you do. It will depend upon your own personal ethics with how you do business and who you are chosing to do business with as well.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I work as a journalist. I turn down money for a living.

I could have doubled my salary (or come very close) just this spring, to rejoin the L.A. Times. And I said no!

by mattwelch on Dec 16, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Baseball is different

its economics are totally diff from the real world. in the real world if i see a bussA somewhere being successful and i have some interest in it i’m going to start my own bussB and compete. same with bussC,D,E, etc. in baseball you have successful big market teams like the NYY&M, Redsox, Cubs etc. if this was a normal buss then there would be more teams trying to enter those markets and cannabilizing each other for that share. instead they keep 1-2 teams in those markets and let them reap all the benefits of being the only game in town. now thats unfair.

by HALO_86 on Dec 17, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

True for A-Rod too.

I’ve never understood the abuse A-Rod has taken over the years for simply agreeing to play for the most money. And I won’t blame Tex for taking the highest offer, if that’s what he does.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Quite simple:

I have been offered sales jobs where I could make more money by lieing to people to get their money. I would have made more commissions than I would have by taking another sales gig.

I have been offered opportunities (jobs) to just deliver “this” and you can make alot of money. I chose not to.

Ethical choices.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

While I applaud your ethics

Playing for the biggest contract is not unethical.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 16, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

you are correct...

playing for the biggest contract is not unethical.

But when you have a player who states he wants to win a world series ring, (and let’s face it, the majority of players all state they want to win a ring), but then passes up his best opportunity to do so in order to take the most money…..may not be unethical but it certainly shows everyone he is full of crap.

If you are all about the money and you feel good about it inside, then don’t deny it.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

BOS & LAA are inseparable on the "best opportunity" test

And, FWIW, Teixeira is considered to be disinterested in Baltimore & Washington precisely because they’re not contenders.

by mattwelch on Dec 16, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Current Boston team plus Tex > Current LAA team plus Tex

Don’t kid yourself.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 16, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

But is

Current LAA plus Tex > Current Boston team without Tex ?

by turs12 on Dec 16, 2008 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Matt please explain:

you are Mark Teixeira. You hire Scot Boras as your agent. Your agent is telling the media that there are several players in the Tex sweepstakes. The names that come up in the media are hometown teams O’s & Nats as well as Bos/LAA. If Tex is considered disinterested in the hometown teams, why wouldn’t he state himself or thru his agent I only want to play for a contending team.
Probable Logical Answers: He is not honest. He doesn’t know where he wants to play. He wants the most money he can get.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Because there is a difference

Between “considered disinterested” and “having your agent, Scott Boras, tell potential bidders that you’re disinterested.”

It’s Boras’ job to get as many high bids as possible. I do not blame him for that. In fact, I wish my agent was more like that, though in fairness I lack Teix’s talent. But at the end of the day, I don’t think the O’s/Nats have a prayer. In fact, by telegraphing to them that Teix cares most about winning, Boras is serving to create a Loser Team premium, which will drive up the Winning Team price. But if you believe Nats/O’s have a chance, I’ll gladly take that bet.

by mattwelch on Dec 16, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

"Ethical choices"

…from the guy who’s pushing harder than anyone for the Angels to sign Manny Ramirez??

I mean, no offense, but winning at all costs isn’t the most ethical choice in the world.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

so what he did 2 teams ago

is going to make whoever signs him, a team that is willing to lower itself just for the sake of winning????

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

By "2 teams ago" do you mean LAST YEAR?

I don’t think a team would “lower itself” by signing Manny. I just think they’d be taking a big risk on affecting the team unit. Manny is an incredible ballplayer. He’s just not the kind of guy I would want on my team.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand why you wouldn't want him on your team

so how does that make my choice to push for Manny unethical . If I truly beleived that Manny would be more bad than good for the team (which I never stated) I wouldn’t want him on the team. I think the way Manny handled himself the final few weeks before getting traded was Childish and Unprofessional. But I also believe that the Red Sox Mgmt allowed Manny to get to that point because they didn’t handle the situation correctly from the start.
The Red Sox could not effectly find a way to deal with Manny’s “needs”. And beleive me, a good manager knows that you usually are going to a have a few players on his team that will need their ego’s stroked. The amount of effort put forth by the team will depend upon what they are getting on the field in return.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The difference between your scenario and Tex's is that

Tex isn’t being offered a different job by each different team. No matter where he signs, he is going to do the same thing. Play 1st base for a professional baseball team. Now if 4 or 5 grocery stores all made offers to you to the bag boy, wouldn’t you go to the one that pays the most?

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 16, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Well....

if I might interject with a smartass remark to lighten the mood….I would probably become a bag boy at the grocery store that was located in a place I didnt need a snow plow to help me get to work :)

That's just Manny being..........a jackass

by autry's cowboys on Dec 16, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

shoveling snow isn't that bad when

A: you can pay someone to do it for you.
B. you can afford to have a fancy heated driveway. They do exist!

I love the snow……to visit once every 5 years.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

you left out

my wife reportedly wants to be close to family and that I want to be close to home. No of which has ever been denied publicly by my self or my bag boy super agent. So if I was being honest with those statements, that would eliminate some of the stores.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 16, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

if its true, than great

we jacked the price up and theyll have to swallow that contract

and have fun in the world series benching david ortiz because theres nowhere to play him in the NL parks

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 15, 2008 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

We just got tagged on the ass....again

and this time it was not because of a failed suicide squeeze…hopefully Tex has access to weather records to influence his decision.

That's just Manny being..........a jackass

by autry's cowboys on Dec 15, 2008 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

Tek

dropped the ball, damnit

by Sethy on Dec 15, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Let it go, Sethy...

…let it go.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 15, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Manny time

Why not? We might as well try to get him because tex might be a lost cause

Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.

by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 15, 2008 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

25 mil/year

That is way too expensive for anyone that is not Albert Pujols or A Rod. Teix might be a great all around player, but he is not worth that much money.

by lackey41 on Dec 15, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

Salaried Suicide

No player is worth that, and who knows how Tex will age. If the Red Sox want it, they can have it.

by Kernel on Dec 15, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

UPDATE!!!

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/red-sox-made-20.html

Apparently Dan Patrick (the radio host) was speaking HYPOTHETICALLY

Hud: "Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in"

by HawaiiHaloFan35 on Dec 15, 2008 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

Easier to believe

As much as I despise the Red Sox, I did have trouble believing that even THEY would offer such a ridiculous amount of cash.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 15, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

but is 22 million a year for us any less ridiculous?

i think the idea of 25 a year made a lot of people (see: above) get to wondering if hes REALLY worth this much money

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 15, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

i never thought he was worth that much. 20 was the max @6-7 yrs. alot of people in here got really crzy in here a couple weeks ago about signing him at whatever cost.

by HALO_86 on Dec 15, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Te exact thing that you described happened to me, and made me think that money lke aht should only be offered to truly elite players, heck I would say Adrian Gonzales is more appealing.

by lackey41 on Dec 15, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

DP never said this...

He said that he wouldn’t be surprised if…

Great reporting from From the Dugout and OC Register.

Hostility abounds on Halos Heaven

by thrill000 on Dec 15, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply actions  

One of the many things that is so stupid about that article is....

that Miller fails to mention that most racists would not even consider Teix to be truly caucasian in their eyes since he is of Portuguese descent and not Nordic.

Miller’s attempts to create controversy are so contrived. He should just stick to covering his high school wrestling and water polo, so he can get his kicks.

by stolenbases on Dec 16, 2008 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

SI says we're still players, but the hypothetical figure is still at $200 million.

Further proof that we fans know the team far better than the media does.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 15, 2008 2:30 PM PST reply actions  

whoever it is will enjoy 3 years of great teix

and personally, i think the contract gets real dicey as he continues to get older.

200 million to us and 200 million to the red sox is very different. if its 200 for them, its really like 325 million for us because we dont have the same revenues that they do. We have less margin for error and i hope people get that

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 15, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he will still hit at age 32

Dude takes care of himself, is pretty darned consistent, and doesn’t exactly play a demanding defensive position.

by mattwelch on Dec 15, 2008 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

So you guys don't think its possible to get more than 3+ good years...

from Teix when Manny is just about eight years older?

Help me do the math here, I am having a tough time believing this 3 year stuff. Even if he mashes Manny style from DH in 7 or 8 years from now.

by Wytelitning on Dec 15, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't talk to me about it

I think Teix would be worth the investment over 8 years.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 15, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

oh i agree, he'll always hit

but im just thinking will his decline years be worth the salary/lack of payroll flexibility

personally, i dont know if 3, 4 years of wheres been at so far are worth the other half of the contract where he might not be

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 15, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

That's just Manny being..........a jackass

by autry's cowboys on Dec 15, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

just heard on The Drive....

that an “unconfirmed team” has gone 10/$200

That's just Manny being..........a jackass

by autry's cowboys on Dec 15, 2008 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

BREAKING NEWS

I saw on mlbtraderumors.com that they first heard it on Dan Patrick’s radio show, but Patrick was just pulling out the 200 mil out of nowhere.
       Link

Do you know why Chuck Norris has no hair on his balls? Hair doesn't grow on steel.

by vlad IS my man on Dec 15, 2008 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

wtf? http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/red-sox-made-20.html

Do you know why Chuck Norris has no hair on his balls? Hair doesn't grow on steel.

by vlad IS my man on Dec 15, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you know why Chuck Norris has no hair on his balls? Hair doesn't grow on steel.

by vlad IS my man on Dec 15, 2008 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

Red Sox

have reportedly offered 8 years, 184 million and are set to have face to face negotiations with Boras.

I’ll miss you Tex, and I’ll boo the F out of you whenever you are in town.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 18, 2008 4:45 PM PST reply actions  

why

he played hard while he was here. i have np if he signs with the Redsox. its his choice. not many players in this league or people in general have a chance at making that type of money and choosing were you make it.

by HALO_86 on Dec 18, 2008 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

for me

i’m going to only boo the F out only because he’s on the freakin Redsox.

by HALO_86 on Dec 18, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

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