Adenhart + Wood + Jepsen = Peavy?
by ArkAngel on Dec 15, 2008 4:37 PM PST
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1. Is that package enough? (As Lyle Spencer seems to think)
2. If not, what should we change to get him?
3. Shouldn't we be pursuing this now, regardless of our Free Agent additions?
4. Do you think Peavy would okay it? (Note: I didn't ask "Would you LIKE him to okay it?" Just if you think he would.
I simply don't think that would be enough for the Pads. I've always felt we'd have to give up Weaver to land Peavy. Which, by the way, I'd be okay with.
I wish we'd get these talks going now, if we haven't. I still don't think Peavy would okay the trade to the AL, but having him in our rotation would make us monsters. Throw in Dunn and we have to be highly considered to go all the way.
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Weaver
would have to go. I’ve read that a couple of times and wouldn’t have a problem with it either. I think we need to focus on Teixeira first and deal with Peavy later because i do think Peavy wants to stay in SoCal, but i’m not sure if he wants to leave the N.L.
Wood hasn’t progressed as well as i hoped, and i don’t feel like watching him strikeout a couple hundred times this season waiting for him to develop when we could land a Cy Young winner.
by ronniejm on Dec 15, 2008 4:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No way would I include Weaver
He’s young, cheap, and still has considerable upside. The point is to build on a great four-man rotation into a great five-man rotation, not just make the front four marginally greater (and more expensive, and more injury-prone) while surrendering a power-hitting shortstop prospect.
If you can’t convince the Pads to take some chunk of Figgins/Izturis/Moseley/Conger-or-Mathis/Willits with their Adenhart and Jespen, then I’m not sure you do the deal. Aybar, maybe.
by mattwelch on Dec 15, 2008 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts too
once I got to thinking about it – it doesnt make sense o give up any of our existing 4 in the rotation cause we don’t really improve all that much over where we are now. The key is to have Peavy fill the rotation out to 5 if we trade for him…
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by gorams77 on Dec 15, 2008 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would include Weaver, Santana or Saunders
instead of Adenhart. I’d particularly like to move Weaver as he is represented by Scott Boros and likely to be a problem to re-sign.
Bolstering the top of the rotation is the key to the ANgels winning a World Series. What we have can get us to the playoffs, but we need another dominant starter.
by SC81 on Dec 16, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you move Santana then
He is a top of the rotation guy, Power Arm, good control?
by Seik1177 on Dec 16, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would not trade Santana straight up for Peavy
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 16, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you! someone else on weavers side...
by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 15, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, I'd keep Weaver and trade Adenhart
…what has Adenhart done in AAA or with LAA last year to convince anyone he’s going to be a good pitcher? I would trade Wood, Adenhart and Jepsen in a second for Jake Peavy.
Re-sign Tex!
by hk47 on Dec 16, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
1 call up in the bigs and your ready to just give up on him? you know what he did before the call up right?
by HALO_86 on Dec 17, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he had an ERA under 1 before the call up right? If not it was right around 1.
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by halofan4life on Dec 19, 2008 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Weaver/Peavy
I’d certainly trade them and give up Jepsen but I’d be hesistant to include Wood as well.
On the road last year Weaver walked less batters per inning, had a much better strikeout to walk ratio, and had a considerable advantage in homers per 9 innings.
Peavy’s numbers are going to decrease quite a bit once he’s out of Petco. Still a better pitcher than Weaver, but just wanted to point out that IMO it’s not as big of a difference as a lot of people think. In no way shape or form would I trade Saunders or Santana for Peavy.
by MH252525 on Dec 15, 2008 4:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good point on the numbers...
…plus you have to consider how much WORSE our new #5 guy would be than Weaver.
I’m not a fan of Wood. Trade him while he has any value left.
And certainly we can’t lose Saunders or Santana.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 15, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wood
We can’t give up Wood until we find out if we got Tex or not. If we land Tex I think we can afford to give up Wood otherwise he is the only promising candidate to power up the lineup in the future.
legen... wait for it... dary
by thebigA on Dec 15, 2008 5:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, right since he was so great in 2008.
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by 44FAN on Dec 15, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coulda said the same thing about Troy Glaus in '98
Or Jim Edmonds in ’93. Or Tim Salmon in ’92. Or Tom Brunansky in ’81. Or Dickie Thon the year before. Or Brian Downing in ’73. Or Bobby Grich in 1970.
Sometimes good and great hitters suck in their first 100-200 ABs. Great organizations (and fans) realize this and adjust accordingly.
by mattwelch on Dec 15, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
people also wanted santana gone all during the 07 season and the 07 hotstove
good things these fans are not our GM.
Go Angels!
by Four Ts on Dec 15, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, good thing Texas nixed the Teixiera deal in 2007
and Orioles nixed the Tejada deal in 2006 as well. Santana is a keeper
GA GA he's the man, if he can't do it, no one can
by Moondoggy on Dec 17, 2008 6:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Texiera deal nixed in 07?
i dont remember that
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on Dec 20, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The ATL out bid us from what I remember
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 20, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and the year before that, everyone was putting Escobar in their trade ideas
Funny how 1 year makes such a difference
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 17, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i remember
last off season when the Miggy rumors were going off. i was actually pissed/nervous that the Angels were going to trade Santana/Saunders as part of the package.
by HALO_86 on Dec 17, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
two amends
Weaver for Adenhart
Aybar for Wood
MIght have to throw in someone a little further down the pecking order as a makeweight, but I think that’d pretty much do it.
Disinclined to give Weaver and Adenhart, would rather hold onto Wood and play him at SS.
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by The Limey on Dec 15, 2008 5:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Need to keep Wood.........
Stay on the damn bag!!
by higdog on Dec 15, 2008 6:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Try Viagra
JK—I agree, we need to hold on to Wood…errr…retain the services of Brandon Wood.
by Ajax on Dec 15, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think that package is enough
but i wouldn’t do it.
i was talking with my cousin about this today (huge Padres fan) and he thinks that Wood would turn into Khalil 2.0 in Petco, so he wants them to push for Aybar. Obviously, we all seem to agree that Aybar is the one we should trade.
My package 1:
Aybar, Adenhart, Jepsen, top fielding prospect (Bourjos? S-Rod?)
My package 2:
Aybar, Weaver, Bulger/Jepsen
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 15, 2008 6:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and actually, you could throw in Mathis in package 1
making it Aybar, Adenhart, Jepsen, Mathis.
that should fit all their needs.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 15, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
apparently
that’s better than any other package that was being offered from whatever teams were in it with the Cubs
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 15, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i like that package for them, although
Id even throw in willits to really satisfy their need for an outfielder/bench guy/lead off guy
Willits, Mathis, Adenhart, Aybar, Jepsen for Jake Peavy. They cant say no to that, can they? Wishful thinking that we can do it without wood or kendrick or weaver?
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 15, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt it
Aybar is a better fit for them… great range, gap power. i think he’d blossom in a place like Petco.
Mathis helps out their catching problems, Jepsen gives them a strong ’pen arm, Adenhart is a future Peavy, and Willits does just what you said.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 15, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...and we are going to restock their team why?
for one pitcher who has benefited from pitching in Petco park?
I don’t do this trade…why are we trading for more starting pitching?
Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!
by K3YEROUT on Dec 15, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think in order for us to acquire Peavy we are going to have to give up some major league talent.
They are going to want a starting pitcher, out of our starting rotation I would think that Joe Saunders might be the most appealing for both sides. Saunders is a lefty, young, cheap, was an All-Star pitcher last year. Weaver could easily be substituted, but if your San Diego Weaver might be okay, Saunders might seal the deal. By giving up Saunders we might be able to swap Wood for Aybar.
Aybar has a lot of unrealized potential and could be an upgrade for Khalil.
Lastly I’d give them Figgins. Chone could work in either left field, or fill in anywhere in the in-field. Figgs has speed for lead off and is in a contract year. At the end of the year Pads offer arb. and if he declines they pick up some draft picks. If they win they keep him for another year at a fair price. in the mean time he’ll work in their lead off spot and those three players make San Diego better today.
I think we’d have to offer up at least an AA level prospect. But I think it would be worth it.
I wouldn’t trade Mathis, because he is a pretty decent back up for Napoli. I think Jespen is expendable and may be included if need be instead of a AA prospect. I’m not sure they would want Adenhart in lieu of a starting pitcher, maybe we can lead with Adenhart, but I’m sure we’d would need to pony up a starter to get this deal done.
Final Trade would be Saunders, Figgins, Aybar and maybe a AA prospect. for Peavy.
My line up would look like…
3B – Izturis
2B – Howard’s
DH – Vlad
1B – K-Mo (if we don’t re-sign Teix)
C – Naps
CF – Hunter
SS – Wood
RF – GMJ (if we don’t re-sign Teix)
LF – Willits (if we don’t re-sign Teix)
Rotation: Peavy, Lackey, Santana, Weaver, Moose/Adenhart?
by Jay Cal on Dec 16, 2008 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's way too much.
WAY too much.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want Peavy
This will get him. Figgins is going to cost a pretty penny next year and his skills are dwindling. If we move Aybar, it frees Wood to play SS and have Izturis at 3rd. Can Saunders catch lightning in a bottle twice. I’m betting last year was a fluke. I don’t see him returning to the All-Star Game this year. And I don’t see him winning more than 15 games.
I know the line-up is weak… but I didn’t include potential free agents we might sign.
by Jay Cal on Dec 16, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But it won't...
…not if Jake doesn’t want to move to the AL.
We can get him for less. And on whose authority does this “Figgy’s skills are dwindling” statement come?
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
Well obviously Jake has the option to decline a trade so everything hinges on the idea that he can win and win big in Anaheim.
Could we get Peavy for less, maybe? My original post said that. But I think if you want to land Peavy, this will get it done. And San Diego would be more inclined to deal JP then sit on him and make a trade at the deadline, where he’ll probably get more talent.
I don’t keep up with specific stats. I like Figgins, but I see this as an opportunity to make a big move to strengthen our team. Has he been clutch in the past? Yes! Are you going to want to pay a premium price next year when his contract expires? If we deal him now, we get added value. If we can get Peavy, we add another ace to our already strong pitching staff.
by Jay Cal on Dec 16, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But we don't.
We don’t get an “extra ace” if we trade Saunders. We get an upgrade, but that’s all. Your offer would simply be too much to give up.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you can get the deal done...
For less, more power to you.
If Reagins is able to throw ninja stars or waive his nunchucks at Kevin Towers and can get Peavy for Aybar, Willits, and Adenhart, that would be sweet. But I don’t see that happening.
Why would Towers want Willits when we don’t even want him? Why would they want Adenhart when they could get a starting pitcher as part of the package?
by Jay Cal on Dec 16, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
…the whole conversation started because of what Lyle Spencer said on the Angels homepage. He felt that Adenhart, Wood, and Jepsen were enough to get Peavy. YOU are the one who started throwing Saunders, Figgins, at Aybar at them. Of COURSE they would take that. Let’s throw in Kendrick too. And where did the Willits thing come from? Not me.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...
If all it took was Adenhart, Wood, and Jepsen I’m pretty sure that deal would be done.
My preference would be to substitute Wood for Aybar. Although I think the idea is Wood has more value than Aybar. Which if that is the case, maybe we sub out Adenhart for either Weaver or Saunders.
But maybe your on to something. Maybe I’m not putting enough value in my trading pieces. I do think adding Peavy should happen, regardless of who we sign or re-sign. And I DO think Figgins and Aybar are expendible.
Am I offering too much by replacing Wood for Figgins? Would Towers take Jespen, Adenhart, and Figgins? Would you make that deal?
by Jay Cal on Dec 16, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if I were the Angels
I know Figgy was hurt last year, but I think he’s an integral part of the team, that lead-off guy that wreaks havoc on the basepaths. I admit that I like Wood far less than most people on this board, but I’d be happy to give him up if it meant adding Peavy to the rotation.
I say we start with Adenhart, Wood, and Jepsen. Take it from there.
(Still don’t think Peavy will switch leagues though.)
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 16, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well we can both agree we'd take Peavy.
I guess the big difference is your looking at Figgins past performance. I’m looking at Woods upside.
by Jay Cal on Dec 16, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right concerning the Colonel
Regarding his record and All Star credentials, but this is still WAY TOO MUCH, to give up for Peavy, remember its a buyers, not sellers market. Figgy AND Saunders AND Aybar AND a prospect, too steep Jay.
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by halofolife on Dec 18, 2008 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm giving up too much talent...
Its because I want the deal done. They couldn’t say no to that offer. Like I said above, maybe I’m not offering enough talent.
Aybar is blocking Wood to play SS. To me that makes Aybar expendable. I want Wood to be our every day SS and I think although Aybar is good and proven, Wood will have more upside.
I am coming around on Figgins. If we keep him, he can work out as a mid-season trade, if not we can pick up some draft picks when Figgins signs with Atlanta in the 2010 off-season.
Saunders is a question mark to me. Can he repeat last seasons performance? If it means Peavy I think Weaver or Saunders could become available. If we can somehow get them to take Adenhart instead, I think that is the option.
by Jay Cal on Dec 18, 2008 7:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was meant to be TOO MUCH talent
Its because I want the deal done. They couldn’t say no to that offer. Like I said above, maybe I’m offering TOO MUCH talent.
by Jay Cal on Dec 18, 2008 7:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The "if we don't re-sign Teix" lineup
looks pretty crappy. Pretty REALLY crappy.
PLEASE ARTE BRING TEX BACK!
T_T
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 16, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
If we can’t afford Tex then I’m praying we get Manny. If not Manny then Dunn.
by Jay Cal on Dec 16, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If not Dunn then Demmit
That's just Manny being..........a jackass
by autry's cowboys on Dec 16, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FanPost + Math Formula + Headline = ArkAngel
by Rev Halofan on Dec 15, 2008 6:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Guilty = Me
But what do you expect from a Calculus teacher?
(I’ll be more original next time. Maybe some Geography?)
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 15, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR is now reporting that
the Padres are no longer actively shopping Peavy and that a trade is unlikely. They apparently still will listen if other teams inquire on him, however.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 15, 2008 7:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
When I read the article,
it sounded to me as if Alderson is posturing for someone to make him an offer……………Advertising that he is selling didn’t work too well.
I’m personally getting tired of the Angels getting screwed by everyone……….especially Boras! I don’t have anything against Weaver…………he’s gonna be a really good pitcher for us. If he doesn’t get a new agent before free agency, fuck him!….send his ass to…………………?,?,?,?,?……to Cleveland.
by wumbug on Dec 15, 2008 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would make them take Willits. No Willits no trade
Teixeira............Everything else can wait.
by hauldog on Dec 15, 2008 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's gonna take more than that
At least one more top prospect or starter not too close to free agency.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Dec 15, 2008 8:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Short and sweet...
I would not do this trade…
If we are going to package up something like this where we are going to mortgage our future…let’s get some offense! Our starting pitching will be fine!
Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!
by K3YEROUT on Dec 15, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i think some people, myself included, dont see harm in adding another ace type pitcher
most of the teams that go far in the playoffs in the AL do it with dominant pitching performances (Garza, Beckett in the past). I love Lackey, but is he that guy who can go out there and dominate another team to the point of it becoming psychological? I dont think so. We didnt lose because we couldnt hit home runs, we lost because Howie, Aybar, Rivera couldnt hit SINGLES when we needed. Stressing out and demanding bombers helps, but it may not be worth the total makeover when you think about why we lost.
Im not saying Peavy is a lock to be a post season menace(hes not), its just that he gives us a hell of a lot more comfort in sending out a 1-2-3 against other teams, especially if Joe Saunders regresses back to his averages or if Ervin doesnt really continue to progress in his mental makeup.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 15, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too much great pitching
No such thing. Count me in.
Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.
by vladtheimpaler on Dec 15, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im for peavy but not just for the postseason
Think of what would happen if Our top pitchers stay healthy and we get peacy and make it to postseason. Game 1 goes to Lackey. Game 2 goes to Peavy. Game three goes to Ervin. Game 4 might not happen, or with the schedule Lakey may already be healthy. Im for getting Peavy but not just for the postseason because our postseason rotation is fine (notice what would happen if Weaver put together a great season he could still be our #5 starter)
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on Dec 20, 2008 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Weaver against their #5 pitcher
I like those odds.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 15, 2008 9:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
#5 starters dont start in the Postseason
unless its an absolute emergency
Lets go angels
by anaheim angels on Dec 20, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would pull the trigger on that deal -
And I would run out of the run before the ink on the contract dried so the Padres couldn’t change their mind.
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
by Grichfan on Dec 18, 2008 11:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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