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What does the Juan Rivera signing mean?

Here are some thoughts on the Juan Rivera signing:

1.        We have four starting outfielders now—Vlad, Juan, HGH, and Torii, so the DH/Outfield rotation is in full effect.  Reggie will be on the bench I’d imagine. 

 

(Side note:  as much as we’d probably like HGH to be out longer, the estimates have him back in 4-6 months, since he had the surgery Nov. 4th, he should be back at the LATEST in May)

 

2.       We effectively have said goodbye to Garret Anderson for sure now.  No way do the Angels re-sign him now.  While I’ve been critical in the past (mostly of his defense), I have a lot of love for GA.  Thanks for the memories…

 

3.       Kendry Morales will NOT be playing outfield anytime soon.  So if the Angels resign Tex, he’d be at AAA or on the bench.

 

4.       I hope this doesn’t mean Vlad is in his last year in an Angel uniform.  He needs an extension and he needs to retire in Angel red.  If the extension happens, look for Vlad to be the first Angel cap in the HOF.  If it doesn’t happen, look for me to cry a lot.

So this begs the question of WHY NOW?  We still have HGH tied up for 3 years, Torii for 4, and now Juan for 3.  I hate to say it, but it looks like Vlad might be getting squeezed out.  I really hope that is not the case, because I would rather have Vlad than Tex. 

I think we should have at least waited for Tex to sign before inking this deal with Juan.  I would have rather seen Kendry playing some outfield than Juan.  If we sign Tex, that outfield picture is going to get VERY crowded.  But maybe this is a prelude for trading someone…but I think it could only be HGH or Reggie, and who wants them now?   

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What does the Juan Rivera signing mean?
1) Goodbye GA and soon to be Vladdy
11 votes
2) Ninja is preparing for Kendry Morales to be playing 1st base next year
10 votes
3) A trade is in the works...Go Ninja Go!
25 votes
4) HGH to the bench (not because you want him there, but because he WILL be there)
23 votes
5) Both 1 and 2
11 votes
6) The outfield is just getting crowded again, Vlad isn't going anywhere
40 votes

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Hope it's true

but does’t seem like Scioscia’s style. Remeber Steve Finley?

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by Angel Hawker on Dec 19, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Finley had a track record

GMJ’s track record is basically a list of every team in baseball and the date that they canned his ass.

And honestly, I kind of like GMJ. Not as a player, because I know he’s never going to produce for us to the level of his contract…but he’s been hated for being given the money from day one, when the blame really should have been on management for giving it…can’t blame him for taking it, that’s for sure. But he gets hated on more than anyone on the team…I’ve met him at spring training the last two years, and he was very friendly…signed autographs for kids, posed for a picture, and smiled and was chatty. Maybe other people have other experiences, but that attitude went a long ways for me.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 19, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing about his performance on the field, but...

his autograph approachability at ST was “I’ll catch up with you guys later…” Uh, he said that about 4 times to my 3 under-10 years old kids. We never got one.

I hope with a new lease on life post surgery, he tears it up again, honestly.

by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops...

meaning, that he DOES WELL on the field, not rips up his knee. ;)

by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

:)

I’m comin’ after you, you mother-fudrucker!

by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HGH

was cool as a mutha f-ah to my boys at ST. The only players that were dicks out every player I spoke to were Vlad & GA.

Don’t get me wrong about Vlad, my boys love the guy, but he pulled something that was BS. GA is…..well, GA. Too Cool for School.

HGH and every other player was super accomodating.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 19, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I had the time of my life at ST 2008...

went during the first few days after the entire team had reported. It was amazing to talk to the players so intimately literally just them and my family. Great experience. Yep, GA and Vlad walked on by, but I have dozens of their autos already, so my kids were ok with not getting them there.

by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2008 10:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Means that one or more of Figgins/Aybar/Wood/Izturis are on the block

I think Kendry would get 140 starts next year even if Teix signs — between LF/RF/DH, you only have Kendry, Vlad, a fourth OFer (Rivera) and a hobbled suck-monster we’d love to bum out and trade (GMJ).

But unless you see a reason to keep Brandon Wood down on the farm, I think this means we’ve seen the last of Figgins. I still think we’ll likely trade for Jake Peavy….

by mattwelch on Dec 19, 2008 1:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agree

1. Kendry and Vlad swap DH/RF if Teix returns.

2. Figgins and pitching to San Diego for Jake P.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 19, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SD does not want Figgins

This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.

by hauldog on Dec 19, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

okay then

Figgy flipped for prospects who are bundled with Ayabr, Adenhart and Jepsen for Peavy.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 19, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That works. Given their situation they are not going to want FA to be.

This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.

by hauldog on Dec 19, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't they need a 2B?

Figgy could fit that role?

by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not one that is a free agent in a year

This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.

by hauldog on Dec 19, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

IF

Towers is in no rush to trade him, do u guys think if we approached the Bluejays about Halladay they might be willing to trade him? he has 2 yrs left, i don’t see him extending until he sees the Bluejays do something positive.

by HALO_86 on Dec 19, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

funny you bring up halladay

An idiot reporter suggested the blue jays take adenhart and wood for halladay…BAHAHAHAHAH. Yes, a prospect with a 6 era in triple A and a guy who strikes out 1 time every 3 at bats for the best pitcher in the american league….

by tuna411 on Dec 19, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the Plan

get JP Ricciardi liquored up, take his picture with a bunch of male prostitutes and a couple of farm animals, and give the pics to Reagins. Maybe then he’d have to accept that deal.

by jjackflash on Dec 19, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well you are forgetting about Willits...

but rightfully so cuz really…what is their to remember?

 Oh right, getting tagged out down the third baseline of fenway.

bummer.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 20, 2008 12:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

again with the misguided blame

…that wasn’t Willits’ fault. That’s Aybar’s fault for missing on the bunt or Soth’s for calling for it. Not Willits’ fault.

Re-sign Tex!

by hk47 on Dec 20, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was'nt Reggie's fault at all. He did the best he could on that play.

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by 44FAN on Dec 20, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe HGH is going to be ready for Opening Day anyway

What I do see though is way too much right hand power hacking with Vlad, Torii, Rivera, and Napoli.

We need a left handed presence or this lineup is going to be too lopsided.

by Wytelitning on Dec 19, 2008 1:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Both Rivera and Napoli

are capable of working counts There no Tex, but they definately have a better grasp on the strike zone than Vlad and Bentley

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by halofan4life on Dec 19, 2008 5:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Reagins is washing his hands of HGH

One more season before we dump him for pennies on the dollar.

by HungryHunter on Dec 19, 2008 1:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Gary Matthews might show some value this year...

I wouldn’t give up on him yet, as I believe he was playing through pain last year. Just wonder why it took so long for him/Angels to let Rivera play unless it was GMJ trying to show his “value” by being a gamer?

by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he's washing his hands of him.....

but I do believe that the signing of Rivera makes GMJr think long and hard about waiving his no-trade clause in order to play for someone full time; he’s probably gone after 2009 anyway. Not coming back until May is an uncertainty. Willits is much more certain, with speed, OBP, defensive skills, lead-off capability. No matter who we signed or extended for the outfield, (even Figgins), GMJr is thinking a lot.

Ideally, Morales is a DH who can play 1B and some corner OF. Figgins is probably as valuable as he’s gonna get right now.

by wumbug on Dec 19, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No offense, Wum...

but is Reggie really going to fit anywhere on the Halos team? I see him as a starter in KC or DC.

by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

both of these teams have too many OF’rs……

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by feNOMINAL on Dec 19, 2008 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and one big mother F'er

in the name of Jose Guillen.

by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your thoughts.

Ideally, we would trade Reggie for value. However, Willits is almost like a cheap insurance policy in case GMJr is still hurt/traded…..if Figgins is hurt/traded,…. if Vlad/Rivera is hurt,…….and occasional relief for Torii. Somewhere along the line we’re going to need some speed off the bench for PR or PH, and sporadic lead-off if Figgins is gone and Aybar possibly bombs…….and the way things are shaping up, we need some left handed batters, too.

I’m assuming GMJr & Figgins are gone after ’09. I see Bourjos on the team one way or another by 2011. What the hell do I know?

by wumbug on Dec 19, 2008 6:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why

this JR signing doesn’t mean the end of Vlad in the Big A. HGH is gone after this season. Unfortunately, whatever we sign Vlads ext to – just add $5 mil each the 1st two yrs of it for a true cost to keep him…cause that is what we will be eating per yr to unload to someone.

Outfielders For Sale! This weeks special...GMJ - see Tony for details!

by gorams77 on Dec 19, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty sure

without going to look it up…I believe the NTC was through the 1st 3 yrs of contract.

Outfielders For Sale! This weeks special...GMJ - see Tony for details!

by gorams77 on Dec 19, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok - Looked it up

to be sure. His NTC is only through 2009.

Outfielders For Sale! This weeks special...GMJ - see Tony for details!

by gorams77 on Dec 19, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Reagins came in and immediately fixed Stoney’s last crappy move – the HGH signing – by signing Torii. Reagins has no loyalty to HGH and is waiting him out. Also, the money in the Rivera deal is crazy low. I can’t believe that they got him for so cheap.

by jimmuscomp on Dec 19, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have some additional thoughts on the Juan Rivera signing...

It means there will be no Manny, no Burrell, and no Dunn as well.

Unless a trade goes down involving HGH—would love that, but fat chance of it happening.

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by Angel Hawker on Dec 19, 2008 4:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Our OF is full. Unless we are trading someone (why would we trade Vlad or Torii and no one wants GMJ) we are done there. There is no more room.

The only package I can see now is some of our IF surplus (Aybar, Figgins, Izturtis, Howie, Wood, SRod, wow that is a lot of IF) for a good/great SP (Peavy??).

by matthiasstephan on Dec 20, 2008 4:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats enough for two infields!!! (minus the 1B)

we could have two sets! One on the DL and one that actually plays!

Lets go angels

by anaheim angels on Dec 20, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More Faith?

I think they are confident they are going to sign teixeira now, since they would have gotten a bigger bat for LF if they thought he was gone.

by lackey41 on Dec 19, 2008 5:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Glad to hear that ...

because I heard you (Lackey) might leave if the offense wasn’t upgraded

by Downing Rules on Dec 19, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Signing Juan Rivera for so little ensures one thing:

By saving so much on LF, the Angels have more money for any/all of the following (should they so desire):

- Increase offer to Teixiera
- Extend Vlad
- Extend Lackey

The savings we got with Johnny will allow us to do A LOT of things that locking up that money in Manny, Dunn, or Burrell would have prevented.

by PitPerc on Dec 19, 2008 5:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Although right now… I’m over spending over 180 million to one player, even if he could become the face of the franchise. This trade doesn’t affect the signing of Teix. I still think we’re in the holding patern we were in before this signing.

If Somebody else signs Teix, then there is still an option in LF. I believe Johnny Rivers was signed to play Left if Teix stays. And Right if Teix leaves. We still don’t have protection for Vlad’s bat. I think this is the year Vlad spends most of his playing time on the bench.

If we do not re-sign big TEX we go after Manny. Then its Reagins job to make some moves to land another top pitcher and some top prospects.

I still want Peavy, but could you imagine if we could flip a combination of Figgins, Mosley, Adenhart, Aybar, Willits, and or Mathis for Hallady or Peavy.

by Jay Cal on Dec 19, 2008 5:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't disagree more...

Vlad spending most of his time on the bench? I think with a repaired knee, he’ll be playing in more games than last year—unless you meant he’ll be DHing more often.

If we don’t sign Tex, I think we are out of the Manny derby. Juan signing means he’ll be playing. If he was going to ride the pine, he wouldn’t have stayed with us. Torii and Vlad aren’t going anywhere. The only way we would sign Manny is if we ditch HGH—would love to do so, but isn’t gonna happen.

I would love to land Peavy too. I think it would cost us Howie, but I’d probably still do it—even though he’s one of my favs.

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by Angel Hawker on Dec 19, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I very much meant DH

I think Vlad will be hitting DH for the majority of the year, with a few stars in RF.

I think if we do not sign Teix or Manny then maybe we should kick the tires on Dunn. Using Dunn in LF, Morales at 1st, and Rivera in RF.

by Jay Cal on Dec 19, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HGH to the bench...

I’m in favor of it, just seriously doubt it will happen.

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by Angel Hawker on Dec 19, 2008 11:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

No way Ninja signs Rivera to this kind of coin to sit his ass down. Rivera will be in LF or RF in 2009 – 140+ games if healthy. I hope he can be a bit more patient and not press so much. He really seemed to try to do too much last year – hopefully his true level of talent is closer to 2006 than it is 2008.

by jimmuscomp on Dec 20, 2008 8:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It means that GA won't get so much as a

Spring Training invite.

JR will finally get his chance.

If the Halos manage to emerge as the winner in this ridiculous Teixeira sweepstakes, it also means that Kendry Morales will be traded before the season begins.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 19, 2008 5:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I think if we sign Tex, then Morales goes to LF.

And in a perfect world we are able to trade off some middle infielders for a pitcher.

3B – Izturis
2B – Kendrick
1B – Tex
DH – Vlad
LF – K-Mo
CF- Hunter
RF – Johnny Rivers
C – Naps
SS – Wood

by Jay Cal on Dec 19, 2008 7:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JR has been assured of PT...

that’s why he signed the contract. There’s no room for Kendry in the outfield. His last chance with the Angels depends on whether or not they sign Teix.

If they sign Teix, Morales is trade bait. Morales will live or die as a 1B in the Angel organization.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 19, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i disagree with you, and kind of agree with Jay Cal

I think Morales can be a corner outfielder, and probably will if we get Tex. Scioscia and Reagins have both stated that KMo is comfortable at the corners and that they’d play him there.

and to Jay Cal’s point… Rivera would stay in LF, KMo and Vlad would switch off between RF/DH, and if Rivera needs a DH day, KMo goes to LF.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 19, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the way that I'd like to see it happen, too...

I just worry about that ridiculous HGH Jr. contract.

Something has to give and, right now, it would seem that nobody’s interested in taking HGH off our hands. The outfield is full and Morales is in demand (and the odd man out).

Morales is one hell of a prospect but the combination of Teix (theoretically, of course), Rivera, and the albatross that is HGH Jr. would seem to put the squeeze on Morales.

I hope I’m wrong.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 19, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Once Tex is signed,

than what will happen is that we will trade HGH (and eat some of his contract) and we will package Kendry, one of out SS, maybe Figgy, to San Diego for Peavy.

Then we are going out and signing MANNY

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 19, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The pigs usually land

every time they need to refuel thier helicopters.

Don’t you ever watch cops.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 20, 2008 7:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trade HGH to whom exactly??

Even if we pay his whole salary, I can’t see many people taking him.

by matthiasstephan on Dec 20, 2008 4:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Morales play in the Post Season

Plus his upside and mashing in AAA leads me to believe that the Angels have high hopes for him. I think had we never traded for U-Haul we would have seen Kotch get traded regardless. Who knows if KMO will mash like Pulojs. But dude can mash and this year come hell or high water, Morales will be in our line-up everyday.

He isn’t going anywhere, except to the 5th spot in the batting order.

by Jay Cal on Dec 19, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

heck

given his OBP in the minors, i wouldn’t mind seeing him in the 2 hole. he could be legit there.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 19, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Acuda knows...

that’s who!

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by Angel Hawker on Dec 19, 2008 11:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I put Rivers in left

because I thought he had the better arm. We still need some outfield assists. But if KMO can GO, then I’m okay with that.

by Jay Cal on Dec 19, 2008 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

Johnny rivers is going to have a bigger impact in the line up than GA. Not to mention we’ll probably see a little more hustle in our outfield. I’ll miss GA, but I like the power potential of Torii+Vlad+Juan. I’ll be real happy if we can find an everyday spot for Kendry.

by kidrobow on Dec 20, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It means the following:

We now have a backup plan incase Vlad’s knee operation didn’t work or the Angels choose to not sign Vlad.

Most Importantly, it means we are setting the trap for other teams to beleive we aren’t going after MANNY.

In the end, it’s all about Manny.
Besides, when we sign Manny it I gaurantee you that HGH is gonzo.

When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!

by Dono Romantico on Dec 19, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, except for that whole

NO TRADE CLAUSE that HGH’s got.

He ain’t going anywhere.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 20, 2008 2:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

GA + Boras = GOODBYE

Signing Rivera means that GA is gone. Since GA signed with Boras, it’s OK with me that GA is leaving. I’m all for Arte not funding any aspect of Boras’ business.

by mustard_man on Dec 20, 2008 4:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I hope you have the same attitude...

whey you are trying to get a raise or bargain for more leverage at work.

I understand the frustration everyone feels for Scott Boras, but the dude is doing his job and fighting for his client. I wish we ALL had that type of representation in the workplace.

by jimmuscomp on Dec 20, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

However, Boras

Is also mostly looking out for himself. The more money they make, the more money he makes. And the man seems to love his money at the occasional expense of the client, from what I’ve heard from friends in the sports world…

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 20, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

why he is pushing Tex to Boston. It works our perfectly for Boras because then he can start another bidding war between the Yankees and Dodgers for Manny, since we are effectively out of the Manny running now. Boras doesn’t care necessarily if Tex is happy in Boston or not.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 20, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is such a complete bunch

of B.S. How could you possibly know that? Just because you think he is an ass doesn’t mean he is one…

He stands to make more money if his clients are happy – this isn’t the only contract he will negotiate for Teixeira or other high profile players. It wouldn’t look good if all his players ended up pissed off in the towns they signed 8 year deals to live/play/work in.

Benefit of the doubt is probably in order here. He is doing his job. Period.

by jimmuscomp on Dec 20, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify

I know people in the industry. In said industry, Boras is widely disliked and considered an ass.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Dec 20, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

Still doing his job.

People in the industry don’t matter to Boras – only his clients. I wish I had that kind of power helping me get my compositions played by major orchestras and well known chamber groups. Advocacy is important in any field and Boras is great at it.

by jimmuscomp on Dec 20, 2008 8:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2 Reasons to root for Manny signing with the Yankees:

1. You’ll actually want to watch those stupid Yankees/Red Sox games again. Good thing too, since Fox and ESPN show them ad nauseum.

2. He won’t have signed with the Angels.

I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.

by ArkAngel on Dec 20, 2008 4:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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