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Rethink the Payroll

With the Angels getting rid of Tex ($12.5M), GA ($12.6M), Garland ($12M), KRod ($10M), and Rivera ($2M), it frees up $49.1M. Next year, with Vlad ($15M, and Escobar ($9.5M), that's another $24.5M. All together, that's $73.6M off the books. But I'll start with this year. I've ballparked these numbers in other posts, but never in this detail. Everything I read, fans discuss money, not more than players, but enough to see that it's of genuine concern. Perhaps due to our own economic futures.

This is simply a suggestion, and I think it's moving in this direction or somewhere thereabouts. There are obviously some intangibles that we as fans, are not permitted to see or hear until the time is right. But this is what I see happening;

1. Prior to any Sabathia deal, the Angels will trade the San Diego Padres for Jake Peavy ($11M - 2009, $15M - 2010, $16M - 2011, $17M - 2012, and a $22M option for 2013)  and Khalil Greene ($6.5M). We'll centerpiece our deal around Jared Weaver ($435K), Brandon Wood ($390K), Nick Adenhart (Unknown), Gary Matthews Jr. ($10M 2009 -no trade clause, but I think he'd waive it. $11M - 2010, $12M  - 2011... and the best part... his no trade clause goes away after 2009. He'll only be able to block deals to 4 teams after that.) We'll have to eat half his salary each year. Erick Aybar ($415K), and Ryan Budde ($380K). We're sending $6.62M to them and we're getting $17.5M, a difference of $10.88M.

2. After that happens, we're going to sign CC Sabathia for 6 years $130M-$140M. That's $21.66M-$23M per. For my point, we'll go with $23M.

3. People can argue for or against Adam Dunn... it doesn't matter which side you're for, the fact remains, we just let go of our left handed bat in GA, so we're going to want another one. You don't have to like it, but I do.  I'll bet 99% of you don't know his stats measure up to Reggie Jackson.

Adam Dunn has averaged .247BA, 40HR, 96 RBI's, .381OBP, 180 K's, and .974 fielding percentage; per every 162 games played.

Reggie Jackson averaged .262BA, 32HR, 98 RBI's, .356 OBP, 171 K's, and .967 fielding percentage; per every 162 games played.

Like it or not, it's in the numbers folks. We'll likely sign him for 3 years $36-39M.

4. I like this next one, haven't seen it, or heard about it but, Frank Thomas.  He made $12.5M last year but only played in 71 games. In 2006, he signed for $500K and played in 34 games the year prior. Maybe he'll sign for $2.5M base, with incentives.

5. Resign Darren Oliver for $2M.

With everything from Greene, Peavy, Sabathia, Dunn, Thomas, and Oliver, we've only overspent on Arte's budget by $2.25M.

1. Chone Figgins (3rd)

2. Howie Kendrick (2nd)

3. Vlad Guerrero (RF/DH)

4. Adam Dunn (LF/DH)

5. Frank Thomas (DH/1st)

6. Torii Hunter (CF)

7. Khalil Greene (SS)

8. Kendry Morales (1st)

9. Mike Napoli (C)

Bench: Reggie Willits, Jeff Mathis, Sean Rodriguez,  Maicer Izturis, Robb Quinlan

SP1: John Lackey

SP2: CC Sabathia

SP3: Jake Peavy

SP4: Ervin Santana

SP5: Joe Saunders

BP: Justin Speier, Darren Oliver, Kevin Jepson, Shane Loux, Scot Shields.

Closer: Jose Arredondo.

Last time I posted something like this, I saw it MLB.com (The Angels site), plagiarized by beat writer Lyle Spencer three days later. The Epic Rotation. That was mine folks.

I know it's long but, I put a lot thought into this. It can work... just have to be a little creative with the money.

This Fan-Post is authored by an independent fan and may or may not be a reflection of human evolution, divine enlightenment or nine cans into a 12-pack.

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first off, that trade is insane. if Weaver, Adenhart, Wood and Aybar are all dealt in the same deal, i’d be pissed, especially if you think Khalil Greene is the answer.

frank thomas?! please God… no.

really, all you’re doing is improving the pitching and severely hindering our offense. 2 of your guys (Thomas and Greene) would be huge gambles, and the lineup you put up there is not only old, it would be torn up the following year.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 2, 2008 9:25 AM PST   0 recs

Really?!

Weaver is a great pitcher one day, and getting rocked the next. Adenhart hasn’t proven a damn thing yet. Neither has Wood. Aybar…. I’m sorry, he’ll never be special. Khalil Greene is not only a proved major league shortstop (Something Wood and Aybar are not), but plays in a huge ballpark. You don’t think his numbers have suffered a little bit? Are you going to tell me his defense sucks too? Right guy.

Thomas at $2.5M, plus incentives… is that really a gamble?

Napoli, Morales, Kendrick, Greene (resign him as part of the trade), Figgins, Dunn, Hunter… maybe bring Vlad back as a DH. Now you have one hole… RF, you could probably sign someone… in place of Thomas’ numbers. What’s old and torn up about that? Anything else?

by matt92130 on Dec 2, 2008 10:25 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Greene walks in one year. Then what?

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2008 10:40 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Are you guys reading and browsing through these...

Resign as part of the trade. Like the Johan Santana deal to the Mets. If he won’t resign, then he stays put and we pull people out of the deal. Or if we really want him, but we’re not sure he’ll sign… nothing wrong with Maicer Izturis.

by matt92130 on Dec 2, 2008 10:47 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

My bad.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2008 10:48 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Excuse me...

but nowhere in your post above are any trade propositions contingent upon a trade, and I read your whole post.

by SactoFan on Dec 2, 2008 4:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

PS

should read: any trade propositions contingent upon re-signing.

by SactoFan on Dec 2, 2008 4:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Clever Guy

Third paragraph down…

"Weaver is a great pitcher one day, and getting rocked the next. Adenhart hasn’t proven a damn thing yet. Neither has Wood. Aybar…. I’m sorry, he’ll never be special. Khalil Greene is not only a proved major league shortstop (Something Wood and Aybar are not), but plays in a huge ballpark. You don’t think his numbers have suffered a little bit? Are you going to tell me his defense sucks too? Right guy.

Thomas at $2.5M, plus incentives… is that really a gamble?

Napoli, Morales, Kendrick, Greene (resign him as part of the trade), Figgins, Dunn, Hunter… maybe bring Vlad back as a DH. Now you have one hole… RF, you could probably sign someone… in place of Thomas’ numbers. What’s old and torn up about that? Anything else?"

by matt92130 on Dec 3, 2008 12:32 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Kahlil Greene SUCKS

Great White Hope never gonna pan out gonna make Reggie Willits look like Reggie Jackson.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 3, 2008 12:59 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

While I agree with you

I think Greene hit more HR’s last year in an off year than Willits will hit in his career.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 3, 2008 2:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It's not the wasted money with Thomas

Its the playing time he’d take away from better players.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Dec 2, 2008 11:11 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I like how you obviously put a lot of time into this

However. No team besides maybe the Yankees would make this many moves in one season yet alone one off season.
Most likely One of those things will happen (Adam Dunn, Jake Peavy, CC, Khalile Greene)
but not all.
Also yes we will sign Oliver and that is a good deal.
Even though I really want Tex, its looks as if Bostons hard on for them is going to make this difficult for us, I See Morales playing 1b for us next year and while I really hate to say it Soth will play GMJ in LF

I will give you this though. If we sign CC, I think we trade a pither plus ome minor leaguers for something I just dont know what

Terrorist plot to blow up Fenway? I'm okay with that

by Sinatrasratpack on Dec 2, 2008 9:30 AM PST   0 recs

frank thomas

will not be an Angel

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Dec 2, 2008 9:31 AM PST   0 recs

Sigh....

Hey guy, maybe you didn’t see the part that said we’re paying half of his salary.

by matt92130 on Dec 2, 2008 10:17 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Plus...

Playing in the NL may help his numbers. Who else do the Pads have to CF… Scott Hairston, Jody Gerut. I think GMJ is considered an upgrade for them. As far as the NTC, he’ll not only still be in SoCal, but he’ll be starting and playing everyday.

by matt92130 on Dec 2, 2008 10:34 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Even if we pay half

I don’t think anyone would want him. He was bad in ‘07 and God-awful in ’08. Even if we paid his whole salary, why would any team want to waste a spot on their roster? This is especially true for the rebuilding Pad’s who don’t want to take on ANY payroll (and no, hes not necessarily an improvement over either of those guys). I’ve tried to work out every GMJ deal possible in my head, but unless the Ninja is better than we think, we’re stuck with him.

by dmhead on Dec 2, 2008 11:01 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

If we hold onto him...

At the July 31st deadline, someone will need a CF, or LF. As long as we eat half, which is fine with me. But he can still play at an All-Star level with his glove. Not his bat, haha, but his glove. He can still hit .260. He can still steal 25-30 bases over the course of a year.

I don’t think the Pads would be upset with GMJ for $5M per. Plus, we’re giving them young talent. None proven, with the exception of Weaver, but we’re taking two of their hign priced guys, and replenishing those positions with guys that don’t make much. GMJ isn’t asking too much.

by matt92130 on Dec 2, 2008 11:12 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

nobody wants GMJ

pay half or more….still nobody wants him. Not only that, but the dude is hurt and had offseason surgery that will keep him out of the first couple months of the season — if i remember correctly.

Only way GMJ goes right now is if we pay ALL his salary. Otherwise we must wait to see if he regains any form resembling a MLB hitter the next year or two.

Go Angels!

by Four Ts on Dec 2, 2008 3:50 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Would you be happy if we traded for a guy who can't hit righties, is mediocre versus lefties, paid him $5 mil per year with 3 years left on his contract?

And would a team that is interested in trading its CY caliber pitcher to cut costs would want to take on part of someone else’s sunken cost?

by snowhor on Dec 2, 2008 5:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The Padres want affordable youth

You’ve supplied them with two pitchers with high ceilings that make under $500K apiece. A 3rd/SS in Brandon Wood for under $500K. A catcher for the same. And another SS/2nd in Aybar. All young, affordable talent. Is it a crime to ask the take a gold glove caliber OF off our hands. I’m not a GMJ fan, but Jesus, you’re all talking like he’s the 2nd coming of Steve Finley for us. He’s played hands down, a helluva lot better than that. His injury is an issue, I’ll agree with that. Hey, I have no quarrels hanging on him. He’s probably the best (and most expensive) 4th OF in baseball.

by matt92130 on Dec 3, 2008 12:40 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'd disagree with your notion that he's played hands down a helluva lot better than I said.

.223/.301/.331 vs RHP = Horrible
.285/.359/.415 vs LHP = Decent, but mediocre coming from a corner OF.

Gold Glove caliber OF? I don’t know much about defense stats, but I’d be surprised if they back up this claim.

The bottom line is that this is the production a team expects from a low-paid backup OF, not someone in the middle of a $50mil/5yr deal.

So, why would the Padres who are trying to cut payroll by trading their CY caliber pitcher agree to pay someone more than the league minimum for this production? Also, let’s not forget that the Padres had GMJ once and released him.

GMJ is due $10mil in 2009, $11mil in 2010 and $12 mil in 2011. And he get’s a $500,000 bonus if he’s traded. I don’t think the Padres are taking on any portion of that contract.

If GMJ is to leave this team, it will be via release. So, considering that he can decently hit LHP, I think we going to have to get used to seeing GMJ as our very expensive 4th OF for the next 3 years.

by snowhor on Dec 3, 2008 10:16 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

lol

we just have to hope that CF next off-season are in demand. he shows up this yr and plays good D and hits some coming off the bench. then if we can trade him with some money that would be ideal. your right, no in in their right mind would trade for him unless he was free and they absolutely had no young prospects to play OF position.

by HALO_86 on Dec 3, 2008 10:28 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

You can't have it both ways....

If Petco park hinders the offensive numbers of Greene, it can’t – simultaneously – help the offensive numbers of Matthews Jr.

As snowhor said, the reason no one wants GMJ is because he can’t play baseball. At all.

If he was an average player we could unload him – he is well below average – and being paid like a border-line star. It is lunacy and I damn Stoneman everyday for this contract. Similarly, I love Reagins a little bit more every day for making his first move as GM – the Hunter signing – a complete repudiation of his predecessors last big move. Simply put, by signing Hunter, Reagins admitted to the lunacy of the Matthews signing.

Along with the Teix trade I am starting to have some good feelings about Reagins…

by jimmuscomp on Dec 3, 2008 8:31 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Teixeira

The Angels paid around 50% of his salary not the entire 12.5 he earned in 2008.

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2008 9:59 AM PST   0 recs

what about lackey or vlad extensions?

or are you suggesting we go forward with adam dunn as our offensive centerpiece after next season?

by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 2, 2008 10:18 AM PST   0 recs

No, no, no...

But with Escobar’s $9.5M coming off the books next year, give a portion of that and whatever Lackey makes together for his extension.

Pending Vlad’s numbers this year… I don’t see him being worth $15.5 next year. Bring him back for $12M.

So, let’s say you have $4.5M left from Escobars contract after you Lackey a $5M raise, and $3.5 from Vlad’s cutback… I’m sure there’s someone who would like to play for us $8M or less.

by matt92130 on Dec 2, 2008 10:30 AM PST   0 recs

Your giving up on the young guys way to quickly

I think Aybar is being torn apart mainly because of a bad showing in the playoffs, He’s 24, he may not be the 2nd coming of Ripken, but IMO he seems to be a younger, inexpierenced version of OC which is not a bad thing. As for Wood, the reason to keep him is well documented.

Also, With Dunn & Vlad in the outfield Hunters going to get injured covering so much ground.

Frank Thomas, Steve Finley, name sound about the same.

by Seik1177 on Dec 2, 2008 10:58 AM PST   0 recs

whoa

That’s alot of DH’s. So we’re the Skankees now?

by dmhead on Dec 2, 2008 11:09 AM PST   0 recs

Okay, solution...

Maybe don’t bring Frank in, use Willits in LF and keep the youth, and apparently Hunter’s health. But please, bring in Adam Dunn at least for DH. He’s the left handed bat we need to replace GA’s. Dunn is a fine replacement for Tex. Tex has a career .378OBP where Dunn’s is .381OBP…. don’t get me wrong, Tex is better for us, but Dunn is great especially if that saves us money to get CC and Peavy for the staff.

I hear the giving up on young guys too early thing, I really do. But if you have the opportunity to get established players of Ace caliber in Peavy, and gold glove with offense in Khalil…how can you turn that down for potential?

by matt92130 on Dec 2, 2008 11:20 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Willits is a waste of space and should not start

Teixeira............Everything else can wait.

by hauldog on Dec 2, 2008 11:27 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Thank you

I would hate to attend a Sunday Game when Mike’s giving the regulars the day off and you have lineup with Reggie Willits, Jeff Mathis, Sean Rodriguez, Maicer Izturis, Robb Quinlan starting

by Seik1177 on Dec 2, 2008 11:30 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Haha

I got an idea… then don’t go to the game.

If Willits is so God awful, maybe GMJ will be in LF (If the Pads won’t have him). He plays defense. By the way, Sean Rodriguez is solid. Just needs a little more seasoning, but I’d take him on the team anyday. I hate Quinlan, but he’s not the worst player in baseball. Especially playing once in a great while.

by matt92130 on Dec 2, 2008 11:35 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Sarcasm... it's an Acquired taste

I’d gladly go to a game with them starting, just because a day at the park is a great way to spend a Sunday

I agree with you about Rodriguez, I think he’s going to be a solid player, as for Quinlan, in 2004 when he filled in for Glaus after Glaus got injured and he was tearing it up until he got injured (oblique injury if I remember correctly) taking BP in Tampa Bay has made me wonder since then, what if.

Quinlan is a good bench player, can play multiple positions (not very aesthetically pleasing) and generally puts together a solid season

by Seik1177 on Dec 3, 2008 1:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

lol

Sunday home game tickets prices should be discounted since it seems Soth almost always had his B team in on Sundays.

by stolenbases on Dec 3, 2008 3:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

A lot of food for thought there...

FIRST OFF, I wish every post here was as thoughtful and detailed as yours, Matt92130, i is i a pleasure to read a post that doesn’t have someone rambling a final sentence to get in 75 words.

BUT…
…but what about 2010 and 2011 when Brandon Wood is the Padres franchise player… Figgins will be old and worthless… Khalil Green will be out of baseball…

I feel that Brandon Wood is untradeable based on his ability to at least replicate Adam Dunn’s numbers at a tougher defensive position for pretty much the league minimum salary.

Giving up Wood to pay tons of money to replace his FLOOR production is not a good idea, let alone if Wood should ever reach his ceiling.

I don’t like any complex change scenario for this club that does not involve shitcanning Chone Figgins. HE is a free agent after this year and is fading fast. I have given up on him before and been proven wrong but this time mother nature will have a say in it all with the natural aging process.

ALSO:
Howie, Maicer and Figgins all spent SUBSTANTIAL time on the DL last season and praying for health with AAA bench backups is not a way to follow up a 100-Win season. Frank Thomas is a liability, Jake Peavy is great but one injury away from TOTAL BUST.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 11:15 AM PST   0 recs

Come on Rev.....

“I feel that Brandon Wood is untradeable based on his ability to at least replicate Adam Dunn’s numbers at a tougher defensive position for pretty much the league minimum salary.”

This is naive for so many reasons.

Dunn has averaged 40 home runs in the last 5 MLB seasons. (04-present)
   Wood has hit 40 home runs once, and that was in A balls in 05. He has only hit over 30 once since then.

Dunn has averaged 100 RBIs (slightly more) over the last 5 MLB seasons.
    Wood has only had over 100 RBIs once(A+ league), and has not gotten over 90 in one season since.

Wood has never shown Dunn’s ability to walk. Wood has had roughly a 45 BB/120 SO ratio for the last 4 years(striking out 2.6 times in the minors to every time he walks)

Dunn’s ratio has been significantly better 110/165 (1.6 strike outs to every walk.)

Wood does have lower ABs in a shorter minor league system, but also has the enormous advantage of playing in a AAA league which greatly benefits hitters.

To even hint that Wood can be as productive and consistent as Dunn, when he has not been even close in the minors is just silly.

Also, a note, Dunn’s range at 1st is just as good as Teixiera’s.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2008 4:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

You had me

up until that last line…now that’s just crazy talk

by Sethy on Dec 2, 2008 5:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Check out his range factor "RF" on baseball reference.

Dunn is around a 9.60 during his time at 1B while Teix is consistantly around 9.5 – 9.7ish.

About the same.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Well, RF9 is about the same

http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/dunnad01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/teixema01.shtml
every other single fieding stat for 1B goes to Teixera in a landslide. RF/g and FP and everything else. Also Dunn has 127 total games scattered at 1st. Tex has 853.
If Dunn were a superior 1B defensively, the reds would have put him there (even with dusty baker)
Im not saying this because im anti-dunn, because i am very pro dunn. but saying his D=teixeiras is just plain stupid.

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Dec 2, 2008 10:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

If we were to sign Dunn...

…we would be paying a premium for all those HR in Cincinatti. If Wood is 90% as good as Dunn (who is 4 years and 4 months older than Wood) at the plate and is playing competent SS or 3B, considering Wood’s age, ceiling and salary why not just play Wood and sign Manny to play LF?

by Rev Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 8:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Dunn's younger, cheaper

and would give you about the same power numbers.

although if Manny came without the attitude, i’d take him.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 2, 2008 9:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

OH... AND...

…GMJ will NOT be waiving that no-trade clause.

I doubt anyone in the Angels organization spends any time thinking of ways to better the team involving him leaving before 2010. If anything he will get his fair share of at-bats in 2009 with the Angels to increase what little trade value he actually has.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 11:17 AM PST   0 recs

Injuries...

Thanks Rev.

You’re correct, Peavy is one injury away from total bust. Which is why I feel we’re not going after K-Rod. All players are one injury away, but it’s not everyday an Ace caliber pitcher becomes available, especially at 27 years old. Damn he’s still so young. How is Khalil going to be out of baseball?

I’m with you on Figgins, I really am. But one more year isn’t terrible. I like Matt Brown, Freddy Sandoval taking over 3rd in 2010. Sean Rodriguez filled in nicely for HK when he went down.

I like Wood, but his potential has not been translated in a franchise player. It’s all “IF” until it happens.

by matt92130 on Dec 2, 2008 11:29 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

i will take WOOD's "IF"

over any other Angel prospect’s bat*** save for maybe Conger and Hank is likely going to be a DH pretty much.

(***at 25, Kendry is too old to be a "prospect")

by Rev Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 12:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

were those ***

just to save yourself from an acuda assassination atempt?

Mr Moreno,
Please re-sign Tex.
Sincerely yours,
Halo fans everywhere

by anaheim angels on Dec 2, 2008 10:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

isn't that a band?

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 3, 2008 1:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

If it isn't....

then allow me to misquote Dave Barry.

“Bulletproof Asterisks would be a great name for a Rock Band.”

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Dec 3, 2008 3:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

To argue that a player is "One injury away" from being a "total bust"

Is dumbfounding to me.

Yes, if a major injury occurs, then he will probably suffer.

However, since 2003 he has gone over 205 innings only once, in 07. (His Cy Young year)

Compare that to Lackey who, since 03, has pitched 204.0 IP in 03, 209 in 05, 217 in 06, 224 in 07.

Peavy’s arm has as much life in it as Lackeys does.

Remember, Cy Young winner.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 2, 2008 4:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

i will concede the points about injuries

that could be any player – and the Mets balked at Vlad’s bad back in 2004. So okay.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 8:06 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

re-sign garland for 12.0 for one year...

sign dunn for 14-15 three years and bobby abreu for 10-12 two years. our payroll will be approx. 135 (including escobar). pick up the draft picks for tex, frankie while not giving up any for dunn and abreu. let garland walk at the end of 2009, give lackey his money coming off the books. we could keep our kids while making our farm system even better.

by thejd on Dec 2, 2008 7:20 PM PST   0 recs

I’m all in favor of Dunn…not so much on Abreu!

Anyone else besides me notice how much slower our team appeared last season…? Getting Dunn and Abreu is not going to speed this team back up…gotta go young for that! Hunter takes good routes to the ball, but is no speed demon! An OF of Dunn, Hunter, and Vlad has doubles and triples written all over it! Adding Abreu to that mix…grrrr!

Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!

by K3YEROUT on Dec 2, 2008 10:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

PS...quality post Matt92130

gives one stuff to ponder…bout this time of year, finding Angels stuff to ponder is tough!

Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!

by K3YEROUT on Dec 2, 2008 10:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Thank you

After significant posts, I always email them to my father and my best friend Jarred (Both diehards like myself). Here is what Jarred wrote back with:

“Imagine if we never had the problem with Tex? If my boy (Referring to Kotch) was at the 1 bag, C.C. would be signed now, and we could get Dunn which I said last year. What a difference a year makes, the angels will make drastic moves to keep up Matt, but we have to put faith in our youth and farm. Thats how we got the first ring. Leave Wood leave brown and Sean Rod. i have faith in them. Hopefully CC dun and peavy. If Moreno goes for it. We would still finish in first in our division.”

I agree with all, if we had kept Kotch. But we didn’t. Can you imagine if we did… Morales could go to RF and sign Dunn to LF. Vlad, Morales, and Dunn rotate the corner OF spots and DH. It would have looked good.

I’m with you K3YEROUT, no on Abreu. Just not a fan. A lot of fans say no way to Frank Thomas and I don’t understand why. Even if he hits half his career numbers: 18HR, 60 RBI’s, .260BA for a $2.5M base and incentives. Is that so bad? Plus his ability to draw walks, as does Dunn. It’s far from horrible.

Let’s say you forget about Thomas. Would anyone be upset with signing Dunn, and bringing back Rivera for the rotation in the corner OF/DH? There just isn’t any defensive OF’s out there this year via FA. Explore trades…Grady Sizemore, I can almost guarantee you isn’t available, but we have some pieces they’d love to have but it’s not reality. Jason Bay will be a FA in 2010, so will Carl Crawford (restricted), and Xavier Nady.

by matt92130 on Dec 3, 2008 1:19 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Frank Thomas can’t run and he doesn’t hit that well anymore…I’d go with youth over him…His last year with the Bluie Jays when guys were on he was an automatic strikeout..I don’t think he fits in with the Angels type of game anyway…. I’d pass on him for sure..

by raven191 on Dec 3, 2008 9:38 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

i don't have a man crush on abreu but...

he’s a great pick-up for any team. put him rf or work him into that dh/of rotation w/vlad, hunter, gmj. he’s not slow, he’s averaged almost 30 stolen bases over the last five years. he is 34 but last year he would have been 2nd on the angels ion stolen bases w/20. defensively he’s had more outfield assists and less errors than vlad over that same period of time. he knows how to work a count when he’s at-bat. he’s not a guy that jumps out at you but he’s a very under appreciated guy.

by thejd on Dec 3, 2008 8:59 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

agreed, batting 2nd could single handedly change the lineup

if we had a legit leadoff man with a good OBP and someone who worked counts (obviously not the current one) then the 1/2 punch could seriously tire pitchers before they even got to our big boys.

Abreu is sorely needed.

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 3, 2008 5:18 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That would be one helluva offseason

Picking up Dunn, CC, and Peavy.

That would be difficult to pull off even on playstation.

I am not opposed to picking up Dunn but Abreu is getting old. He is good, and a quiet player. But we need to get a little bit of youth in the OF. I like Abreu, but just don’t get a good vibe from him. I just feel like he’s gonna break down over the next few years. He is gonna be 35 next season.

by krush40 on Dec 4, 2008 3:10 PM PST   0 recs

Ok, its not THAT hard on playstation.

in the show 05 I used a system which involved trading for Edmonds using a few prospects, then trading edmonds for Ichiro, which was just Edmonds plus one prospect.

Then flipping Ichiro for any player I wanted.

I think I ended up with a team that was

Ichiro
Mora
Pujols
Vlad
Manny
Bonds
Jeter
ARod
something something

so, on playstation, I could have this deal done in under an hour. =)

I brought sexy back, but they only gave me store credit....

by PhiSlamma on Dec 5, 2008 9:57 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I started a season on MLB2K6 awhile ago

and I had a fantasy draft. The CPU is incredibly retarded and left all the good players for me. I played as the Angels obviously and here was my team to the best of my recollection:

1) CF Grady Sizemore
2) LF Carl Crawford
3) 1B Mark Teixeira (what a coincidence)
4) DH Travis Hafner
5) RF Gary Sheffield
6) C Victor Martinez (remember, this was MLB2K6)
7) 3B ??? (Forgot)
8) 2B Chase Utley
9) SS Jimmy Rollins

Rotation:
1) Jake Peavy
2) Josh Beckett
3) Scott Kazmir
4) Kenny Rogers (See “Victor Martinez”)
5) ??? (Forgot)

Bench:
C Joe Mauer
1B/DH Ryan Howard
LF/RF Jeff Francouer
……..and a lot of others I don’t remember

Bullpen:
Rafael Soriano + a lot of others I don’t remember

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 5, 2008 3:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Hahaha

Love it. I agree, well under an hour.

by matt92130 on Dec 6, 2008 1:21 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oh yeah,

Jose Reyes was my backup SS as well.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 5, 2008 3:39 PM PST   0 recs

Soooooooooooo...............

I guess you could say I was wrong…. partly…. at least on the Khalil Greene idea. Congrats to the Cardinals.

Can’t wait for the Winter Meetings!

by matt92130 on Dec 6, 2008 1:22 AM PST   0 recs

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