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2009 Hall of Fame Ballot Thread

In the comments... Pick 'em
• Harold Baines
• Jay Bell
• Bert Blyleven
• David Cone
• Andre Dawson
• Ron Gant
• Mark Grace
• Rickey Henderson
• Tommy John
• Don Mattingly
• Mark McGwire
• Jack Morris
• Dale Murphy
• Jesse Orosco
• Dave Parker
• Dan Plesac
• Tim Raines
• Jim Rice
• Lee Smith
• Alan Trammell
• Greg Vaughn
• Mo Vaughn
• Matt Williams

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Blyleven, Henderson, Tim Raines

by Rev Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 3:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks good to me

I could see — if I squinted — Jim Rice, too.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Dec 9, 2008 2:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For what it's worth...

Bert, Rickey, Dawson, Jack Morris
Pretty sure Rice is going to get in this year, but I would not have voted for him.

by Clip Show on Dec 2, 2008 4:04 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bert, Rickey, Harold Baines, Tim Raines, Lee Smith..

PIPE DREAM: Jim Harbaugh for the Bills next head coach.

by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 2, 2008 4:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My choices

Henderson, Blyleven, Rice, Raines, and Mo Vaughn(Just Kidding)

What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?

by AlohaHalofan on Dec 2, 2008 4:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome.....

Yawkeywaystore.com ads.

What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?

by AlohaHalofan on Dec 2, 2008 4:23 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if people would sto writing about a certain team

the keyword ads would disappear and then all you would have is ads for Nixon – Frost movies…

by Rev Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blyleven, Henderson, Lee Smith, and McGwire

There I said it, I think he belongs.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Dec 2, 2008 4:30 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

Throw in Tim Raines and I’m 100% with you.

by Sethy on Dec 2, 2008 4:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree....

add Big Mac to my list.

by Clip Show on Dec 2, 2008 5:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa, wait a minute...

When McGwire used ‘roids they weren’t illegal in baseball, but you have Raines on your ballot and he was cocaine-aided, which was illegal. Coke is okay, but steroids aren’t when talking ablut character?

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Dec 2, 2008 5:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you need to draw a distinction...

…between recreational and performance enhancing.

Recreational is a lifestyle decision, Steroids are cheating. There’s a big difference.

The legality or otherwise of steroids in baseball is a reflection on MLB’s poor governance at that time, not whether or not a player was short changing his fellow players and paying fans – which is clearly without doubt.

I see red people

by The Limey on Dec 2, 2008 5:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You make an excellent point

and one I didn’t consider.

But I don’t think steroid use in that era was cheating since it wasn’t banned, just an athlete trying to improve his performance. The issue I have with that is, if the player was trying to improve his performance to increase his salary = bad, if he wanted to help his team win = okay.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Dec 2, 2008 6:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except -

Steroids were illegal when Mac was taking them, even if they weren’t banned by baseball. The difference is that while Raines’ drug use was just as illegal, it wasn’t helping him hit homeruns.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Dec 2, 2008 6:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasn't commenting on a specific roid

Andro may not have been, but most steroids were illegal without a valid prescription, which it’s safe to say that baseball players probably did not have.

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh huh

But who’s to say that McGwire wasn’t using only legal supplements to enhance his performance? You could call me naive, but you also can’t prove that McGwire cheated. I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt. Be mad at MLB.

by Higz on Dec 2, 2008 7:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More to the point though

You said steroids were illegal when Mac was taking them.

Andro is a steroid, and it was not illegal when McGwire took it.

by Higz on Dec 2, 2008 7:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More to the point

Funny how he didn’t make any of these arguments to congress when given the chance.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 8:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cocaine-aided?

What does cocaine aid in, other than making you an incredibly annoying asshole that those who have not participated would like to punch in the face?

And what does drug use really say about one’s character, other than the fact that they are human. Make the argument for steroids as a form of cheating, and there might be a point. But cocaine? Where do we draw the (pardon the pun) line? Is being a drunk a reflection of one’s character? Then say goodbye to Mantle, Ruth, etc. Cheating? See ya, Phil Niekro. And when did it become the Hall’s job to play judge and jury? I’m sure there are plenty of assholes in Cooperstown, both with and without substance abuse problems, and I’m comfortable with that. I came to terms with the fact that ballplayers aren’t gods sometime around ten years of age.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Dec 2, 2008 7:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IT BECAME THE HALL'S JOB

When they printed the first ballot which mentions – and has subsequently ALWAYS mentioned – CHARACTER.

McGwire blew it the day he testified before congress.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 7:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, like I said...

I can see the argument as it pertains to steroids, but my point was really more about the Raines and coke issue. If you equate steroids with cheating, that certainly could be a bad reflection on one’s character. I’m just not comfortable making a judgment of someone’s character based on drug and/or alcohol problems. That’s just me, though.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Dec 3, 2008 2:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's an assumption that a Drug/Alcohol addiction = Bad Character

Kind of like when you go for a drug test for a job and you fail, they don’t hire you. Because they associate drug users with people who have bad character.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Dec 3, 2008 5:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, poor choice of words on my part

I wasn’t trying to imply cocaine had any performance enhancements (related to baseball). I think the line is drawn at the legality of the action. Baseball doesn’t have a problem with drinking alcohol until a player gets behind the wheel of their Benz.

I was uncool before uncool was cool.

by WiHaloFan on Dec 2, 2008 7:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel you

But the legality of a substance does not determine its potential for abuse. That being said, I still don’t think it should be a factor in determining one’s spot in the Hall. Jordan Walden’s collar-popping ass is in trouble if he turns out to be as great as we hope.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Dec 3, 2008 3:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What kind of shirt

do you stick your ass thru the collar of?

by Rev Halofan on Dec 3, 2008 4:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was going to say...

The kind your wife is wearing. But I decided that would no more aid in the argument than your attempt at humor. I thought this was the place to express one’s opinion, regardless of the difference. But I guess we could throw sand like the babies around some of the other blogs.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Dec 3, 2008 6:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my wife (grilfriend)

is wearing a halos heaven tee shirt.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 3, 2008 9:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henderson, Blyleven, McGwire

Agree w/ Wi — Big Mac should be there, juice be damned.

by Big Easy Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 4:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Raines, Henderson

Suspect the speeches should be over fairly quickly too…

I see red people

by The Limey on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blyleven, Grace, Henderson, John, mattingly, smith,

hmmm…. i guess Mcguire too

Go gettem next year, what have we got to lose--Frankie?

by AnaheimHalos61 on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hendo, Big Mac, and Dawson

Not voting for McGwire is just sour grapes. You can’t apply today’s rules to the past, otherwise I’m sure half the hall would come under scrutiny for something.

by Wytelitning on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would half the hall

choke before congress like a gagging girl scout?

by Rev Halofan on Dec 2, 2008 7:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bert, Ricky and Dawson

I think Big Mac should be in, but it’s gonna be awhile

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by halofan4life on Dec 2, 2008 5:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big Mac and Bert

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by Carl Johnson on Dec 2, 2008 6:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My god, get Andre Dawson in already

One of the most well-rounded pure baseball players of all time.

Anyone who chose Rice and not Dawson is KUH-RAZY!

by Higz on Dec 2, 2008 6:31 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hell yeah...

The Hawk>>>Rice
If Andre played for a good team, or in a ballpark that caters to right handed hitters, he would be in by now. Also, the Hawk was a GREAT defensive player (Rice, not so much), and had speed early in his career (ala Tony Gwynn). The astro turf in Montreal and the crappy teams in Chi-town have doomed him.

by Clip Show on Dec 2, 2008 8:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My choices

Henderson – obvious
Raines – great base stealer, great OBP guy, underrated
Blyleven – one of the best K pitchers of all time
Trammell – probably the best shortstop of his era (including Ozzie Smith)
Dawson – because I watched the Cubs on WGN growing up

I feel the need, the need...for speed!

by Gorbachav5 on Dec 2, 2008 6:49 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bert Blyleven. Rickey Henderson.

Ain't no stoppin' us now. We got the groove!

by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for reals yo

Blyleven, Dawson, Henderson, McGwire, Raines all belong.

Plus I would vote for Orosco, but would not argue that 75% of voters should.

by elricsi on Dec 2, 2008 11:01 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blyleven, Dawson, Henderson, John, Raines

I doubt all five will make it this time, but those would be who I would vote for… and I think Smith should get in eventually, they need to start adding closers sooner or later, just don’t think it will happen this time…

By the way, I believe this is the last year Tommy John is eligible, or am I mistaken?? I know he has the most wins of any pitcher eligible (288) that is not in the Hall…

by bighead on Dec 3, 2008 12:20 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right

it is his 15th and final year of eligibility.

by Rev Halofan on Dec 3, 2008 1:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my list: Blyleven and Henderson

BBWAA picks: Henderson and Rice

...on the road....

by Jack Kerouac on Dec 3, 2008 5:18 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does anyone else...

think the Hall of Fame process is ridiculous? Reading writers’ opinions on who they are going to vote in and who they are not is always so ridiculous, and this first ballot hall of famer issue is getting way out of control. A lot of people apparently aren’t voting for Ricky Henderson because he isn’t a “first-ballot” quality player, same reason Ripken and Gwynn didn’t get 100%. So except for the occasionalrevelation of steriod use, what changes to make someone not a hall of famer one year, and a hall of famer the next? Have they done anything differently? I’m not sure how, but the system should be changed, because it makes me care about the hall of fame less and less each year, when it should be having the opposite effect.

by ponusbaum43 on Dec 3, 2008 7:03 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Writers

Are pompous assholes. Ripken and Gwynn should’ve been 100% and Henderson’s even MORE of a sure thing than either of them.

by Sethy on Dec 3, 2008 8:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My choices

• Rickey Henderson
• Mark McGwire
• Jack Morris
• Dale Murphy

GA GA he's the man, if he can't do it, no one can

by Moondoggy on Dec 3, 2008 8:15 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My picks...

• Bert Blyleven
• Andre Dawson
• Rickey Henderson
• Tommy John
• Jim Rice
• Lee Smith

That’s how I see it, anyway.

by Kernel on Dec 3, 2008 8:19 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tim Raines

People don’t realize how good he was. Everyone HOF voter should take a look at this: http://raines30.com/c20.shtml .

I would also vote for Rickey Henderson (obviously), Bert Blyleven, and Mark McGwire. Alan Trammell is right on the edge for me and I would probably be incilned to vote for him.

by Dogman on Dec 3, 2008 8:28 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dale Murphy.

I hope he gets more votes.

since 1961

by Chompo on Dec 3, 2008 9:27 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was a huge Dale Murphy fan

but the guy is the epitome of someone who was great that should not be in the Hall

by Higz on Dec 3, 2008 12:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup...

Hall of very good for him.

by Clip Show on Dec 3, 2008 2:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Picks...

Henderson
Raines
Blyleven
Trammell
McGwire

by jimmuscomp on Dec 3, 2008 9:44 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henderson

is the only one I think should get in. Such an asshole…but such a badass.

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 3, 2008 10:36 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henderson

I wouldn’t be offended by Blyleven, but amassing numbers over 22 seasons doesn’t mean as much when Blyleven was never one of the best for 22 seasons. I know Cy Young voting is simply the opinion of the voters, it has to be taken into account that, over 22 years he was never considered the best pitcher for even a single season, much less the second pest pitcher, and was only considered the thirtd best twice. For 18 seasons, he wasn’t even considered to be one of the ten best.

As for McGwire, if character counts, why are there so many assholes already in the Hall of Fame? Ty Cobb was not exactly what I would call a nice guy. Babe Ruth was no shining example of healthy living. Hell, all of the original Baltimore Orioles in the Hall regularly cheated and there’s even a Hall member who murdered his wife. When all is said and done, I think McGwire will end up in the Hall one day because he was one of the best hitters of his era because of how rampant steroid use was at the time and how it wasn’t even illegal. I’m not advocating voting for him, but saying character counts has no precedent in the Hall of Fame.

by RICangelfan on Dec 3, 2008 11:12 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nolan Ryan

Never won the Cy Young either. Somehow he snuck in.

And as for McGwire, a known cheater has no place in the Hall.

I do think Raines has a shot, and may deserve a place in Ctown, but not just yet.

by Kernel on Dec 3, 2008 11:16 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gaylord Perry

is a known cheater and he’s in. How is he any different than McGwire

by Seik1177 on Dec 3, 2008 11:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TIM RAINES

THE CAINE MAKES YOU GAME WORSE UNLIKE THE ROIDS

stay humble in a ferari

by MYSPASCOBAR on Dec 3, 2008 7:43 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henderson

The rest of the eligibles are anywhere from good to great. Since visiting Cooperstown a couple of years ago, I’ve come to believe that to be enshrined in the HOF, a player has to be better than great. For me, Ricky is the only one that, no-doubt, meets that standard.

The '56 LA Angels (PCL) cap logo...a classic.

by MurrietaMick on Dec 4, 2008 1:01 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henderson, Raines, and Tommy John

Tommy John because without him, a lot of other pitchers wouldn’t have had careers.

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Dec 4, 2008 1:16 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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