no teixeira
Looks like the Halos are out of the running for free agent Mark Teixeira according to Tim Brown from the Yahoo Sports web site.
Should the Halos go after Manny now? Even though Tony Reagins said there is a very small chance of the angels acquiring him... personally i'd like to see Manny in a Halo uniform, perhaps 3 years 70 million???
so sad... i loved the big tex...
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wow
uhhhhh teixeira pisses me off
lets at least get manny
Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.
by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 21, 2008 3:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
This is very disheartening. If they waited this long, couldn’t they have waited just a little longer for Tex’s response.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 3:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
uh
perhaps it means they have either:
a:) made a deal for Joey Votto
b:) sticking with their Kendry and the farm
c.) lowering the price expectations
d.) gonna get Sean Casey
by Kristy_Joe on Dec 21, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops...that was weird
If it’s option D, I quit as a baseball fan.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 21, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
as soon as i can get the rec’d button to work(not sarcasm)
Go gettem next year, what have we got to lose--Frankie?
by AnaheimHalos61 on Dec 21, 2008 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like any of these options... well maybe Votto
Sean Casey??? no thanks
Lowering price expectations.. maybe
Sticking with Kendry and the farm… both a severely overrated.
Light up the Freakin Halo!
by marshgr on Dec 21, 2008 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we're just playing the same game the red sox are playing?
by linkbruin on Dec 21, 2008 3:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so
The Sox did not actually withdraw their offer. They just stated publicly that they did not think they would be in contention. They left their offer on the table though. Basically the Sox were telling Boras to just take whatever bigger offer he claimed to have lined up.
by BTLove on Dec 21, 2008 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bold move...
I wonder if Arte just said “I cannot stand this any longer” like most of us here on HH.
by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2008 3:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why????
No one is questioning why? Isn’t it economics? How many season’s tickets have been sold. What do those numbers look like during these hard times when 410(k)s are having their matching dollar amounts eliminated, companies are being eliminated, people are losing their jobs, etc.
How does that all translate into season ticket sales? Then how does that trickle down to No we can’t!
by Kristy_Joe on Dec 21, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Either Arte is calling his bluff or he is sick of Scott's BS.
Thank you Arte for making a move. Time will tell, especially if we don’t get Tex and don’t go after Manny. Just wait and watch & read between the lines the next time Arte or the Halos make a comment regarding all of this.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jared Weaver is watching intently.
He’s got some thinking to do.
by wumbug on Dec 21, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe more posturing...maybe not...
…either way, I say move on.
If this means we sign Manny, I may have to take some time off from this team. I really hope they don’t overreact and sign that bum.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
See you at the next world series...
by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Winning isn't everything.
Not to all of us.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
which is why I never take a break from the Angels even during the 1987 to 2001 years.
by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither.
I must have taken your reply wrong. It sounded like you thought I’d root for Manny if he took us to the World Series. MY comment was to say how much I hope a class organization remains a class organization by not signing a guy like Manny.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You said:
“If this means we sign Manny, I may have to take some time off from this team.”
I said:
Never abandon hope.
by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2008 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. You lost me.
IF we sign Manny, I’ll have a hard time rooting. IF we don’t, of course I won’t lose hope. The two are not necessarily intertwined.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You should have stopped watching when
They signed HGH if that is your attitude. A Mitchell report guy who swindled 50 mil from your team doesn’t cause you to stop watching, but a fun loving “clubhouse” problem would. Have a little faith in Arte and co to make the right decision.
by bruinbrah on Dec 21, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're assuming you know how I think.
Of course you don’t. They signed HGH not knowing the problem. IF they sign Manny, they will do it with full knowledge of his history.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont remember this history
In cleveland, could it be a chowd issue?
by bruinbrah on Dec 21, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of Boston history.
Yes.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They should have known the problem.
HGH had been a mediocre-at-best player his entire F’ing career and then he has one good year in the Texas bandbox and they go out and cogh up 50 million for him. It was a disaster from the get-go.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No question.
It still has no bearing on signing Manny…unless it helps them not make the same mistake twice. (Thrice, if you count Guillen.)
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, dont need to know
what you are thinking, you have made it quite clear that you hate manny, your statement was you wouldn’t watch because we wouldn’t be a class organization any more. So we are a class organization by keeping HGH?
by bruinbrah on Dec 21, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you propose we do?
Drop him and eat the 11 mil per year? I guess we could. Still, at least Matthews has quit doing it. His performance proves it. Manny just keeps on being Manny.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont suggest we do anything,
b/c i don’t have a problem with it. I was just curious why you wouldn’t watch your boys over Manny, when there are other reasons which point more clearly to not being a “class organization.” Just playing Devils Advocate.
by bruinbrah on Dec 21, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny being Manny
and taking the dodgers to the NL championship
dude at least hes got a bat
Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.
by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 21, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said...
…just for myself…winning isn’t everything.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck these entire negotiations
The ‘agent’ component of baseball is so infuriating…Scott Boras should just be banned from the fucking sport. The way this crap goes on for months just sabotages so many elements of the game, and ruins it for the fans.
And frankly, if he ends up on the Sox, I can’t be held accountable for my actions.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 21, 2008 3:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'd love for the Halos to beat Teixeira in the playoffs if he goes there.
by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
uh ohhhhh
stay away from the Monstah……where’s howies???
That's just Manny being..........a jackass
by autry's cowboys on Dec 21, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why should I stay away?
That place should be blown to the hell it already is half-way to.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 21, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha i know!
i was warning everyone else to stay away because of your promise with howiestheman
That's just Manny being..........a jackass
by autry's cowboys on Dec 22, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's all part of the plan...
/creepy Joker voice
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 22, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just came on here to post this
if you ask me, i think they more or less knew he didnt want to come back. Maybe they havent even heard from Boras in the past weeks and just are offended.
Arte said before the winter meetings he’ll pay guys who WANT to be Angels, not guys who just want the highest paycheck possible
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 3:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Well said
F Mark Teixeira! Arte and Ninja did everything possible to make him feel welcome and keep the mother effer here. In reality he had no plans to be a part of this great organization and held us hostage for months just so he could get stinking rich I hope he signs with the Nats and rots away in that hell hole, greedy bastard
by blochead on Dec 22, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how they are calling it "Tim Brown's STORY"
when it is only 30 words (as of 25 minutes into the story being posted) and it has the big fat question mark in it: “according to a source close to the negotiations”
by Downing Rules on Dec 21, 2008 3:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ken Rosenfail
is now reporting the same thing.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8975210/Source:-Halos-withdraw-offer-to-Teixeira
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 3:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
does anyone else get the feeling this is kinda like a
“Youre not firing me! I QUIT!!!”
Type of situation?
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 3:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let's withdraw the offer before he can turn it down?
Yeah…I get that feeling.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ways to spend this money
extend lackey and ervin?
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 3:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Lackey will.
He’s been pretty open about wanting us to add offense.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
well maybe we shoud pick up Manny!!! What do you think??
Show 'em your a panther... Show 'em what you can do....
by stuck in Romania on Dec 22, 2008 7:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DUDE our offense needs an upgrade
we need a bat
Watching the Halos from Princeton University. The random Halo fan in a sea of Bosux and Skankee fans.
by princeton11loveshalos on Dec 21, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No question.
We may be looking at a Dunn or a Burrell now. Of the two, I’ll take Dunn.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn's first choice is the Cubs, apparently.
So we have to hope the Cubs don’t get serious about getting him. And it looks like Manny will be a Yankee. It’s still too early to tell but it’s looking more and more like we will be major losers this offseason.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure the Cubs will get into the Dunn bidding.
Just ‘cause he wants to go there, doesn’t mean they want him to. Have they said something to that effect?
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He could be their left handed hitting RF big bat.
Yeah he plays crappy defense and yeah playing RF at Wrigley requires good defense but now Ibanez is off the table and Abreu isn’t a gold glove defender himself. I could see the Cubs getting interested in Dunn at some point.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lackey will soon be pitching in pinstripes
The Angels are a rudderless ship right now and Lackey will probably not re-sign with us. He will also chase the money like any of us would. No major additions on offense mean another 1st round loss to the Redsox, Yankees or whoever we play.
Light up the Freakin Halo!
by marshgr on Dec 22, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Yeah
Let’s see Ervin pitch like that again this year before we get too geeked about 2008.
Light up the Freakin Halo!
by marshgr on Dec 22, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's mail back our fan-club membership cards RIGHT NOW
marshgr has spoken the future. (waves white flag, takes off Halos gear, burns it; walks around naked now).
by Downing Rules on Dec 23, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
meh... it seemed like this was going to happen anyway.
As much as I wanted to see Tex back, deep down I knew he wouldn’t be returning. Which means if the rumors are to be true, we can now happily go after Peavy. And sign one more big bat.
In lieu of Dunn, I say lets offer Manny a 3 Year for 65. And give it a 1 week deadline. Maybe even add an aditional option for year 4.
Manny goes to LF. Morales plays 1B. Rivera plays RF.
by Jay Cal on Dec 21, 2008 3:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i hope
that would work, if only Vlad would accept the DH role…or you could use Rivera to rotate the corners and manny and vlad switching off at DH
by jtkelly86 on Dec 21, 2008 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AS much as I love Vlady
And I really do. At what point did Soth give up his command. I think its up to him to make the calls. Vlady should get maybe 30 – 40 starts in RF. And spend the rest of the year DH. His knees, with or without surgery aren’t young.
by Jay Cal on Dec 21, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds to me ...
… like the Angels don’t want to deal with Bora$$ – and he represents Manny too. I doubt the Angels will be making a run for Manny because they would still have to deal with Bora$$ and I’m sure the same shenanigans will go on for his contract as well.
by dprice413 on Dec 21, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
this, with rivera resigning was their way of saying “we’re done with scott boras this offseason”
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which also means ...
GA is gone since he signed with Bora$$. And given the fact that we signed Rivera and are set for our outfield, I don’t see us going for Abreu and/or Dunn unless some of our outfielders are used in a trade for Peavy. Maybe there are some other trades in the works for 1B or 3B?
by dprice413 on Dec 21, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys we should target that could potentially be available:
Prince Fielder (Is a Boras client, Brewers don’t think they can keep him, and he could be used to rebuild their pitching staff)
Adrian Gonzalez (doesn’t necessarily have to be packaged with Peavy)
Derrek Lee (He was discussed in a potential Peavy to the Cubs deal)
Aramis Ramirez (Pipedream but we did ask for him when the Cubs asked for Figgy)
Adam LaRoche (well…he’s left handed and would be presumably cheaper than the other guys mentioned so far and the Pirates have a history of trading away quality players for nothing)
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We aren't getting Manny
After Arte went through all this BS only to see Tex bolt from Anaheim, he isn’t going to want to deal with Boras again.
And GA really screwed himself by hiring Boras if he really wanted to return to the Angels.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as much as I want Manny
I would concur…unless, this is all some kind of ploy to work with Scott in order to get Manny. Maybe the Angels knew all along they weren’t going to get Tex becuase fo the money he wanted, so they threw out their best offer (in case), but really wanted Manny all along.
Just trying to put a positive spin on this crap.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I think Bora$ wanted Manny to play for the Angels. Basically, there are five teams that can afford him: Angels, Dodgers, Yankees, Mets & Red Sox. For obvious reasons, the Red Sox aren’t an option. Also, the McCourts are unwilling/unable to spend what it will cost to get him, and they are rightfully leery of making him their everyday left fielder for the next three to four years (particularly in the 3rd & 4th years). That leaves the Angels, Yankees & Mets. The latter has no room for him, really, and has the same no-DH issue as the Dodgers. Thus, it’s NYY and LAAoA. Do you really think Manny wants to deal with the NY media?
Therefore, it’s been my belief all along that Bora$ will not allow Teixeira to play for the Angels because that will leave no place for his other major FA client.
Teix will get his money from someone; it might have to be the Nats, but he’ll get his.
The one whose situation is more precarious is Manny, who might eventually have second thoughts about hiring Bora$.
by jjackflash on Dec 21, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Manny would be more than Happy to pull a Johnny Damon.
Manny said he is “confident” that the Yankees will offer him a 3-year deal and he wouldn’t say that out of nowhere unless he had interest in playing for the Yankees. Manny is just like every other Boras client. He wants the money. The Yankees are also probably more willing and able to offer Manny a deal that suits him than the Angels or Dodgers.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I forgot to add
that Johnny Damon said he’d never sign with the Yankees, and sure enough, he signed with the Yankees.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as much as I want Manny
I would love for Arte to release a statement stating that the Halos are interested in Manny but are NOT interested in dealing with Scott Boras.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 22, 2008 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Typical
I worked in Boise, ID. Every major employer had a board member on every corporation in town. Payroll was fixed. I tried to get a raise, but Simplot (tater-tots) and Albertson and the bank vetoed it. I worked for the insurance co.
It’s similar. The owners are colluding. They’ve had enough of Boras and being his dickwad for so long. Let the market speak. Let’s see what can be done to drive Teix’s price and term’s down so that Boras is the fool.
by Kristy_Joe on Dec 21, 2008 3:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good analysis
If everyone backs away from the table, what’s left? A 5 year 100 million contract? That sounds a bit more realistic.
by Downing Rules on Dec 22, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
manny
Report has yankees offer at 3 years 66mm for manny.
by CaptainCarlos on Dec 21, 2008 3:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bless them.
Maybe I’ll actually want to watch a Boston/NY game now.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why spend all that money on the guy if he didn't really WANT to be here!
I totally agree with this!
It truly is a shame that we had to trade Kotch and Marek for zippo! That said, if he was in Ana for 2-3 months and didn’t like making the playoffs and the SoCal atmosphere, I say good riddance!
All the big money is in BoSux and NYC so baseball reaps what it sows!
Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!
by K3YEROUT on Dec 21, 2008 3:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't we get 1st round draft picks or something....?
All I want for Christmas is Mark Teixeira and Jake Peavy as Angels in 2009.
by deejayelleseven on Dec 21, 2008 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Something like that
Use those 20 Million bones for signing bonuses.
If GA wasn't so Lazy, I'd have something clever here.
by TheTypingFiend on Dec 21, 2008 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Same old crappy offense. Nice, I am pumped.
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 21, 2008 3:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can name about 25 teams that would swap rosters and management with us in a heartbeat
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
especially considerign that same old crappy offense
had the best record in baseball before mark ever arrived.
and no, i dont think morales and rivera will do this year is far off what GA and kotchman were doing before the all star break last season. And thats if we stand pat and do NOTHING. we’re fine.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Relevance? Yeah none.
Dude we have championship caliber pitching and we are pissing it away.
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 21, 2008 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
it takes a championship caliber offense to go with the championship caliber pitching to win a championship.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
relevance is that all you do is complain and bitch
and maybe you should put it in perspective buddy. You come off kinda weird posting negative apocalyptic posts 100% of the time.
Maybe you should donate 200 million dollars to the angels so they can better suit your weird fantasies of finding happiness and balance in your life by your local baseball club better imitating the yankees.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just a realist.
And if I would 200 million extra dollars lying around I would.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well dont get me wrong
its not like im thrilled about us not keeping teixeira. everyones disappointed. i just remember a few months back when the rev made a pretty big point out of keeping this blog free of excessive complaining on a topic and how it can wear on people. In hauldog’s case, i just made the post above because i feel like its the 1000000th time recently he and i have made these posts about his saying the angels suck and me telling him to get over it. theres other ways to express disappointment with the teixeira situation than lamenting ad nauseam over how awful this team is.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
right now your avatar really sucks
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have never said they suck. I said the offense sucks.
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 21, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where is one post where I complained ad nauseum that the team is awful
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 21, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What the fuck ever
Signing Tex does not make the Angels Yankees West.
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 21, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
angels website is confirming
Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!
by K3YEROUT on Dec 21, 2008 4:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
CALM THE F DOWN, PEOPLES
This is called negotiating. The Red Sox declared themselves out of the Teixeira sweepstakes earlier in the week, remember that? Jebus, you guys are so hyper.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Dec 21, 2008 4:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Normally I would agree with you.
But Boston said they would stand pat on their offer. I do believe what I read said the Angels were pulling their offer from the table. That’s a lot different.
by Jay Cal on Dec 21, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, BS
Remember that Stoneman stared down Boras over Weaver and won. Nothing is over until there’s a signed contract.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Dec 21, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Final offer and pulled offer are completely different ballgames
Unilateral discussion is not the same as the open market also.
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 21, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just ask the Braves… :)
Whodathunk we would be rooting for a former Ranger come August, er September, er October...? Miss ya Kotch, but Tex is THE man!
by K3YEROUT on Dec 21, 2008 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Arte is not the same guy Henry is.
I do not agree
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 21, 2008 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Manny Either
in all likelihood. Why? He’s also represented by Bora$, who I suspect was simply using the Angels to get big $$$ deals for his clients Teix & Man-Ram in Boston and NY, respectively.
by jjackflash on Dec 21, 2008 5:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well that sucks
Not unpredictable – but sucks none the less.
This could be an Arte negotiating ploy but I am not betting on it. Couple positives:
1- We still have KMo as a capable back up plan
2 – No other FA that we could really use has signed elsewhere yet – so all other options are still available. Waiting didn’t lose out on anyone else.
Outfielders For Sale! This weeks special...GMJ - see Tony for details!
by gorams77 on Dec 21, 2008 5:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What I don't get
is that if Moreno felt like he was being used to drive up the price, shouldn’t he WANT to drive up the price to make other teams pay more money than they were intially comfortable with? And besides, if we waited this long, doesn’t it make sense to wait a little longer to at least get an official response from Tex? I don’t know about everybody else but I would feel better knowing that Tex said “no” rather than just assuming he was going to say no but never knowing for sure because we pulled our offer off the table.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My guess
is that he somehow received information that he was going to be told NO unless he raised his offer to a level that he was not comfortable with.
My hope however is that before publicly stating the the offer if being recinded – he and Reagins have already put their back up plans in motion (FA and trades) with some assurances…
Outfielders For Sale! This weeks special...GMJ - see Tony for details!
by gorams77 on Dec 21, 2008 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
arte is probably not in favor of inflating contracts
if he drives up the price on teixeira, all he does is set the baseline for next year’s elite free agents and making them more out of our reach.
Inflating contracts only helps the yankees and red sox. Pulling out because we know we’re gonna lose anyway and forcing boras to accept a smaller deal only helps speed the process of reducing contracts
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
I believe that Arte cares as much about winning as he does the sport of baseball.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Boras...Need I say more?

" When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? " - John Meynard Keynes
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 21, 2008 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Baseball is still a team game
We had Tex and lost. Let’s not forget that. I would rather spend the money on several players than just one. I am not sure why everyone bags on Boras. If I needed an agent, I would use Boras and let him get me the most money for the place I want to play. That is the right of every free agent. Teams have the right to spend or not spend as they choose. Did you know that the White Sox don’t have one Boras client?
by Dfresh on Dec 21, 2008 5:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't
hire Bora$, because there are things in addition to money that matter to me. I would also want to play for a team that had championship aspirations and the surrounding personnel to make that realistic. The location would also matter to me. I’d take less to play in certain areas. E.g., no matter how much more they offered, I wouldn’t choose to play in Minnesota. If you are a Bora$ client, you do not have that option.
by jjackflash on Dec 21, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially now
when they’re planning on building an outdoor stadium. Stupidest. Damn. Idea. Ever.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on Dec 21, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras will get you what you want.
He will maximize dollars, but he can’t force a guy to sign somewhere he doesn’t want to. The things is that almost every guy wants to maximize his earnings.
by BTLove on Dec 21, 2008 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot to add....
BORAS WILL GET YOU WHAT YOU WANT, IF IT’S SOLELY MONEY THAT YOU WANT.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Force?
Technically, no. But I suspect that as a condition of hiring him, you agree to go wherever he gets you the most money, whether it’s Boston, NY, LA or Minnesota. I also suspect that he will keep a player away from one team if he wants to get another client to sign there instead.
by jjackflash on Dec 21, 2008 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
the NFL hasn’t been in LA for years, and let’s be honest in about a week when Manny is gone too so will baseball. Kendry Morales isn’t saving anything.
by 44 on Dec 21, 2008 5:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anything has really changed since the Winter Meetings offers
all four teams have offered. Nothing is done until he actually signs a deal with somebody. I think this is all posturing. Angels and Sux are calling Boras’ bluff.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Dec 21, 2008 5:33 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
have faith
I don’t think they are bluffing. But it is interesting that Tim Mead said that they would have nothing else to say “today”.. .. What does that imply? I wish I was in that room when this stuff was going down.
by Dfresh on Dec 21, 2008 5:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Coincidence: Didn't Torii say that a decision would be made by this weekend?
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm okay with it
i’m tired of boras and teix.
by UCIHalo on Dec 21, 2008 5:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
all the talk about dunn and burrell
1) a lot of people seem very high on burrell and dunn with their 30+ homeruns…but their batting averages are below average, do you want that for a team that is built for speed and contact?
2) the american league clearly is the superior league (despite who the current world series winners are), i have a feeling dunn and burrell would suffer by coming to the american league, the transition from al to nl seems to be much easier, rather than vice versa
3) going along with point number 1, dunn has a very high strikeout count (this has been mentioned countless times), I could just picture the forum loaded with complaints about dunn striking out with men on base, i personally don’t like the thought of dunn coming up to bat with a man on first and second, and him not being able to move over runners
4) i understand people being afraid of manny being a poor clubhouse guy…but i feel his attitude at least in the short term could loosen up the clubhouse. the angels played way way too tight in the playoffs, and a little of manny’s attitude could be a big plus come playoff time…plus it’s not like it’s an 8 year contract (like with boston)
by halocory on Dec 21, 2008 5:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dunn
Also has an obp of .386 and an OPS+ of 129 last year…
by lackey41 on Dec 21, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should stop building this team for spead and contact in favor of power and on-basedness.
by snowhor on Dec 21, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
or just a healthy balance
im on board for this. And believe it or not, mark teixeira isnt the only guy that fits this bill
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
would you rather have dunn ground into a double play with men on base?
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Dec 21, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to grounding into a double play with the bases empty?
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In a nutshell
1) You’re right about Dunn. Most people here are high on him. But I’m afraid you are wrong about Burrell. From what I’ve read, people here (including myself) aren’t high on Burrell. He is just another right handed bat to go along in our right-handed dominant lineup and doesn’t have as much power as Dunn while providing similar levels of K’s, OBP, and defense.
2) I generally would agree with you but I think the difference is overplayed somewhat.
3) You have a point there.
4) I agree with that. I think Manny was a great teammate for the Dodgers and it was not necessarily because it was his contract year. I think he enjoyed the laidback lifestyle of LA compared to the Bwaston Chowdas who get on your ass over every little thing. In Anaheim, he’d get to relax just as much as he did with the Dodgers and the clubhouse could use another goofball. With Manny and Torii on the same team, I would have to believe that the Angels clubhouse would have the most fun in the majors.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is anyone surprised?
The outcome of “no Tex” was predictable, although the Angels’ retracting the offer is somewhat strange. Tex had no intention of playing out west and has said so for years. I really thought Arte & Reagins would put their best offer out there from the start and let Tex reject it, and then tell us loons they “did their very best” to sign him. Arte up’ed the ante and built unrealistic expectations by publicly proclaiming that Tex was our #1 priority.
If Kendry was the answer, Kotch would have been traded for something else. The conventional wisdom is that Trumbo has the better chance of being a very productive power hitter, but he’s years away. I still say the problem with the Halo’s offense began when the front office let Glaus walk. They’ve still not replaced his bat years later.
Votto or Gonzales, or don’t deal the prospects. If serious about Dunn or Burrell – please no more than three years max on the contract. We do not need another HGH albatross contract to deal with….
by mustard_man on Dec 21, 2008 5:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think people are surprised
as much as they are disappointed. We all got our hopes up too much.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still trying to recover
I totally agree with you – the Angels are still trying to recover from losing Glaus’ bat several years ago. I’m starting to doubt they ever will recover from that move.
by dprice413 on Dec 21, 2008 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3 AL WEST TITLES POST-TROY-ROIDER
Count ’em THREE.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 21, 2008 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
true Rev.
isn’t that why the Halos are playing and Arte is spending the dough……for AL West Titles.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
arte's job is to make money
and winning the division fills the seats every year. Shooting for the moon(spending whatever it takes) could leave the team non-competitive for a few years, and therefore not profitable. Expecting him to lose money to win titles is a little ridiculous
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that spending stupid money in the hopes
that Tex is the ticket to WS titles is smart either. Arte will never spend more than he believes a player is worth vs. what is not good financially for the overall health of the team or the sport of baseball for that matter.
Arte is one smart Jefe.
Regarding Glaus. It can be said that he was the only remaining Halo from the WS team that mashed like a mutha during the playoffs & WS and handled that pressure, that was not signed/or was let go. And the Halos haven’t done shit in the playoffs since.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Um
We didn’t exactly do shit in the ’04 playoffs either, and Glaus was actually with us for those.
Oh, and whereas we got swept out of the AL*D*S in 2004, with Glaus, we lost in the AL*C*S in five games, in 2005—without Glaus.
Yeah. Haven’t done shit.
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Dec 21, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Qualifier
Obviously I am in complete agreement about the necessity of someone like Glaus of ‘98-’04 now—who knows where we would have gone in 2005, 2007, and 2008 if we’d had him on board, too?
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Dec 21, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
alrighty then
so we can agree on the most important problem here: The Angels haven’t done shit in the playoffs since getting boned by Dougie in 05.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
Though that was without Glaus in 2005. :-D
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Dec 21, 2008 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Team is more important than one player
that’s why I love Arte. He get’s it.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Set the bar so low...
We won 3 AL West titles because rest of the division SUCKS. Is our yardstick for performance that we beat up on Seattle, Texas and Oakland ? Pleeze. How many AL Championships were won? How many WS Championships were won?
If were not measuring the team the franchises who consistently are winning the AL Championships or the WS, then why bother?
by mustard_man on Dec 22, 2008 2:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m just an old angels fan, i like winning, i don’t whine when we win a lot, just, y’know, not one of the trendy ones.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 22, 2008 2:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great - let's lower the bar of expectations
Beating up on Texas, Seattle and Oakland is hardly anything to thump the chest about. How many AL Championships during the same time frame?
by mustard_man on Dec 24, 2008 6:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All these Boston Red Sox fans must be feeling really nervous
and schitzophenic to come trolling over here and gloating about nothing.
Recipient of the 2008 "The Iron Man" award from scottnak of Halos Heaven!
by 44FAN on Dec 21, 2008 6:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
Why pull out? Why not just let him tell us no?
"And the Anaheim Angels are the Champions of Baseball!"
by Grichfan on Dec 21, 2008 6:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
why indeed?
I think they figured out he is not going anywhere on the Pacific coast, so it’s time to move on.
by elricsi on Dec 21, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Pull Out????
To Try and Be Certain of the Outcum.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That attitude is how you got
Dono jr.
by bruinbrah on Dec 21, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, we got hidden.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 21, 2008 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GOOD! Strong organizations aren't built around just one player
The really good organizations have a very solid foundation (dedicated ownership, a smart front office, a good farm system, and a viable business plan i.e. revenue generation). The Angels walk away from this and move on.
"The Sandpeople are easily startled but they will soon be back and in greater numbers."
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 21, 2008 7:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What a relief that the Angels' offense isn't built around one player...
Oh wait. Vlad. Never mind.
I feel the need, the need...for speed!
by Gorbachav5 on Dec 21, 2008 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Or perhaps a team that can lose an ace-pitcher (Escobar)
yet continue to succeed. Or lose its two starting middle-infielders for September but still manage to go 17-9.
"The Sandpeople are easily startled but they will soon be back and in greater numbers."
by Fan Since 1981 on Dec 22, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, if you guys sign Manny...
…then how do you shift your OF and DH spots?
You’d have Manny, Vlad, Rivera, Matthews, and Hunter for four spots. Manny is absolutely horrible in the field, and Vlad has pretty much been a walking corpse lately.
I’d imagine you’d sit Rivera, stick Manny at DH, and roll the dice on Vlad in the field.
Just hypotheticals, really.
You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen.
by Sentinel on Dec 21, 2008 8:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
manny would dh, matthews wouldnt play
vlad in right, torii in center, rivera in left with matthews spelling whoever needs a day off. Matthews isnt healthy to start the year anyway, Rivera was signed to play 5 days a week
But as you said, its hypothetical. I personally would rather people not talk about manny and get their hopes up because its not happening.
He doesnt look pretty out there, but vlad’s fielding percentage last year playing a whole lot in in right was his highest since 2005 on par with the rest of his career numbers out there
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fielding percentage is a horrible way to judge defense
"It's like déjà vu all over again." -yogi berra
by Cheezombie on Dec 21, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is how I see it.
Manny would play LF most of the time and DH sometimes.
Vlad would DH most of the time and play RF sometimes.
Rivera would play RF most of the time (when Vlad is DHing) and play LF sometimes (when Manny is DHing).
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 21, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We Will Worry About THAT PROBLEM
when it happens. Nothing like having the problem of too much talent
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, just for my information...
If the season started tomorrow, who would the Angels roll out to play 1B?
You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen.
by Sentinel on Dec 21, 2008 8:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
kendry morales
Im probably in the minority in thinking that isnt the end of the world. Hes not an all-star type player, but i think he can handle it without pissing too many people off. We took a risk in trading kotchman and this is kind of the consequence of rolling the dice.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the information.
As it’ll probably be a while before I come back here, I’d like to wish you guys Happy Holidays, and the worst off-season in Angels history. Go M’s.
Just kidding. Or am I? ;)
You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen.
by Sentinel on Dec 21, 2008 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is $9,000,000.00

This will be Boras’ 5% commission if he gets someone, anyone — BoSkanks, Natties, O’s, or original Skanks — to pay Teixeira $180M frogskins.
I vote no more cute nicknames for Teixeira… nothing personal, ’strictly bidness.
"RamÃrez would fit here." -Sciosc'
by Tina Yothers on Dec 21, 2008 8:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i so sad . I'll bet you Boras is sucking HIS WIFE's dick
Yeah, thats how he spends his off days
Do you know why Chuck Norris has no hair on his balls? Hair doesn't grow on steel.
by vlad IS my man on Dec 21, 2008 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good riddance
I became less of a fan every day that this dragged on, to the point where I am now completely over him and his annoying agent. Only two players are “worth” the money they are seeking, and he ain’t one of them. I hope this story is true, although it serves as a painful reminder that Kotch is gone, and all we got in return was a short-term Boras rental who holds up the market with notions of self-importance.
Arte Moreno is the face of this franchise, not Scott Fucking Boras or any of his clients. Thanks for the memories, GA, but don’t let the door hit you where your new agent’s hand is inserted. And trade Weaver.
White trashin' the 909
by Red114 on Dec 21, 2008 8:49 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I don't know....
think about this. The Red Sox & The Angels are really to the point of being sick of all of this drama. At least the fans of both teams. And, if what we read from management (from both teams), they are sick of “the game” and they are both calling Boras’ bluff.
So the way I see it. It is starting to look more and more like the only team that is going to be happy with the signing of Tex, after all of this bullshit is going to be a team that never expected to get him.
Whatever……….
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im down with Red
What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?
by AlohaHalofan on Dec 22, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No room for Manny
We literally just signed our 2009 starting left fielder. DH is plugged up with Vlad and Kendry.
Signing Rivera called Boras’ bluff and let him know we weren’t going to play his little game of “shove Teix to Baahstin and let the stupid/gullible Angels go into a bidding war for ManRam.”
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Dec 21, 2008 8:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Breaking News: GA wants 1 trillion over 96 years.....
and in other news, Tex also wants a stripper for his XXXmas
Do you know why Chuck Norris has no hair on his balls? Hair doesn't grow on steel.
by vlad IS my man on Dec 21, 2008 8:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Vernon Wells
I’m just saying.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 9:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wells is injury prone
and I have read multiple scouting reports on him and they ALL agree that though Wells has a lot of talent and is a very good player, he is not and will never be a great player because of his disturbing tendency to waste a lot of ABs.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 22, 2008 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No way!
He’s way too inconsistent, not getting any younger, and gets paid like a superstar with that miserable contract. I rather the Angels just rebuild and take the gamble and buy low on Felix Pie, maybe trade for another outfield prospect, and give Terry Evans a shot to create some sort of competition for the remaining outfield spot.
by stolenbases on Dec 22, 2008 1:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well...
i can’t say that i’m terribly shocked, but there’s no way Arte and Tony do this without fully understanding what they did. they obviously knew he wasn’t coming back here, and, as Ninja has said, we’ve prepared for it with back-up plans.
i can only hope that we are going to make another move, be it a signing or a trade. and really, there’s only 2 moves i’d like them to make…
1) sign Adam Dunn and the 1B/DH. Dunn DH’s as much as we can let him, and when Vlad DH’s, K-Mo goes to RF, and Dunn goes to 1B. we NEED his left-handed power and his OBP.
2) trade for Prince Fielder. it’ll probably cost a lot, but we have the pitching to make it happen. once again, we NEED his power and OBP.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 21, 2008 9:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you and i might be the only people in to the idea of Prince
dudes a really big boy, but he also hit 50 homers 2 seasons ago. Tex has never hit more than 35. And he’s a vegan, which is just SO SoCal. Just sayin…
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd enjoy Prince
I just don’t see it as realistic.
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Dec 21, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't let the elevator breaks us down oh no let's go
Let’s go crazy— oh, …
…Prince Fielder… pass.
by Rev Halofan on Dec 21, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it must come with the "howie" name
sometimes i think you and i are the only ones with brains around here… :P
Clutch –
it’s not a likely scenario, i’ll give you that, but you never know. if the Brewers need pitching, we could make a blockbuster move.
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 21, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe,
And the Brewers probably aren’t as insane a trading partner as the Marlins were in the Miguel Cabrera sweepstakes, but I still get the feeling that they’d ask the Halos to bend over deep on both ends before they’d give Prince away.
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Dec 21, 2008 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i cant help but agree
it would take AT LEAST Weaver/Saunders, Adenhart, Ortega and some position prospects,
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 21, 2008 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More tired old cliches about the West Coast
Yes, the East Coast is such a wonderful place where everyone from there is a member of Mensa since all you East Coasters were born with the intelligence of Einstein. With all that intellect you folks posses, it is really sad that all you guys can ever come up with are unoriginal and simplistic generalizations about people from the West Coast devoid of any critical thought. It’s also sad that almost all of you envy your family and friends that have moved to the West Coast and would do just about anything to live here which helps to explain your feeble attacks on us.
by stolenbases on Dec 22, 2008 1:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ughh!!!!
Somehow this got posted in the wrong place and 2 times! Sorry about that! Obviously the above comment was directed at Highlanders
by stolenbases on Dec 22, 2008 1:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
The Brewers would want either Saunders or Weaver for Fielder or any other position player since they so want MLB ready pitching
by stolenbases on Dec 22, 2008 1:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Though that's simply,
In a lot of ways, because that’s typically what’s expected of the Halos in such trades, and why the Halos subsequently, and rightly, don’t get much done in the way of trades (Teix being obvious exception).
Heck, I have an idea. Instead of just letting Teix go now and getting two maybe good prospects—let’s do this.
1. Put the offer back on the table.
2. Up the offer to upwards of $200 million, with most of that money backloaded—start out paying, say, $21 million in 2009 and $22 million in 2010. Leave out any idea of a No Trade Clause (or maybe one that kicks in in 2011).
3. Enjoy a solid 2009 and 2010 out of Teix, maybe with a ring or two thrown in (presumably we’ve sufficiently developed our other players, or signed good but somewhat cheap replacements to have a solid, solid team to go with Teix, Vlad, and Torii).
4. In the 2010-2011 offseason, deliver a big F-you to Bor@$$ by trading Teix to a team that won’t contend for a number of years to come. Ideally, trade Teix to the Nationals, who will have used their #1 draft picks over the past however many seasons to build a strong, reliable farm system chock full of the best prospects in the game today. Demand—and receive—every one of those top prospects in exchange for Teix, the new face of their franchise.
5. Enjoy a fully re-stocked farm system brimming with the best that prospect-land has to offer, ready to have the Halos ready to contend and win for the vastly foreseeable future.
In other words:
Option #1: Completely back off of Teixiera now, receive two 2010 draft picks who may or may not work out. Possibly Bootcheck and MacPherson 2.0. See what happens.
Option #2: Re-sign Teixiera now, make serious bids at the WS in 2009 and 2010, receive 5-6 proven prospects at this time in 2010.
Thoughts?
Do take this with a grain of salt. ;-D
Light Up That Halo!
by Clutch on Dec 21, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
35 homers?
Not sure of the exact number, but I believe he eclipsed 40 once.
by lackey41 on Dec 21, 2008 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed feelings on Prince
The weight concerns me a lot. His defense isn’t all that great either. He seems to project as a DH sooner rather than later which means we will still need a 1B
I actually rather have JJ Hardy since he is a power hitting SS that plays nice defense.
by stolenbases on Dec 22, 2008 1:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My mixed feelings on Prince
but he was WAY better than Madonna or Michael Jackson
by Rev Halofan on Dec 22, 2008 2:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a talented little spider-monkey.
the spider-monkey name was given to me by his cousin whom I used to work for.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 22, 2008 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More tired cliches about the West
Yes, the East Coast is such a wonderful place where everyone from there is a member of Mensa since all you East Coasters were born with the intelligence of Einstein. With all that intellect you folks posses, it is really sad that all you guys can ever come up with are unoriginal and simplistic generalizations about people from the West Coast devoid of any critical thought. It’s also sad that almost all of you envy your family and friends that have moved to the West Coast and would do just about anything to live here which helps to explain your feeble attacks on us.
by stolenbases on Dec 22, 2008 1:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tex never had any intentions of signing with us.
We were just around to play in a fictional bidding war.
Hey, at least we have Juan Rivera.
I've got nothing.
by bc56274 on Dec 21, 2008 9:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Least" being the operative word.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AND (sorry Dono), it looks like the Yankees are going to pay Manny way too much money.
That is worth both a woo and a hoo.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 21, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and west coast baseball weeps....
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 21, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your right...
The east coast is filled with fat, toothless, broads, terrible weather, tiny little apartments, and stacked cities; the west coast weeps for the stupid assholes not bright enough to get out of their $hit box apartments and into the city of lights.
by bruinbrah on Dec 22, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Typical
The conversation’s about baseball and you turn it into weather and regional women? Wow.
You guys really don’t like sports out there do you?
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love sports
Especially when the Angels play the Yankees. Those are my favorites.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 22, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Typical...
East coast douche who misses the point. Review: ripping on west coast baseball is ripping on the west coast. You open the door, I shut it. Call me when you lose the division again, chief. By the way, wtf is a yankees fan trolling over here for, you realize we own you right? pathetic.
by bruinbrah on Dec 22, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There you go
Bring it back to baseball.
You wouldn’t even make noise in the AL East and you know it. Must be nice playing against the worst teams in the majors. Seattle, Texas, Oakland? Give me a break. Your division is a joke. 100 win team ousted in the first round. Pretty powerful team you got there. Nobody’s fooled.
You own us? Hmmm…we’ll see this year when you’re massive offense comes to NY. I can’t believe your owner let Tex get away. Don’t you people understand that your offense needs power? As long as you aren’t willing to spend money on players you need, you’ll continue to be mediocre. Enjoy.
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You better
Hope your team adds some bats, b/c right now your line-up is a bunch of has beens and a 300 million dollar man. That line-up wont strike fear into anyone. You also spent 240 million or so on an obese pitcher that has been run into the ground the last two years, and a glass arm that got his first 200 inning season in god knows how long. Can you say Pavaono(s). It is really sad that you are coming on here, no one even knows the Yankees exist, other than when they fail to make the playoffs, and then the media loves to rip on how stupid your management is. I look forward to beating you in your house, much like we do year in and year out, and if your team is capable of even making the playoffs, I wouldn’t mind our “massive offense” kicking the $hit out of the skanks and sending them home early once again. In other words, i accept your challenge.
by bruinbrah on Dec 22, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hillarious Comments by You
“That line-up wont strike fear into anyone” – coming from an Angel fan
“Can you say Pavaono” – just compared CC to Pavano
“if your team is capable of even making the playoffs” – you obvisouly don’t see the stupidity in this statement. You are actually complimenting how good the AL east is, because it’s actually DIFFICULT to make the playoffs in that division. Making the playoffs every year in the WORST division is NOT an accomplishment.
And my favorite….
“no one even knows the Yankees exist” – coming from an Angel fan! the Angels are the blandest, most boring team out there. Who hates them? No one. Until you are hated (Yanks, Sox, Cubs, Dodgers) you are irrelevant. That’s why you hate the east so much. Because people actually CARE one way or the other about those teams.
You’re team is just filler for box scores.
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Work with the ad homonym
You seem to love divisions so i will start there. STFU about your division, divisions go up and down, you act like the east has been dominant for the last 40 years. Just isnt the case. Seattle, Oakland, and LAA have all been getting wild card berths the last 10 years. A sign of strength of the western division. Have oak and seattle been weak the last year, yes. again, you show your ignorance.
“can you say pavano,” was with regard to your front office stupidity. Both those guys are due for some serious injury, and that is what Pavano was in reference to, not their ability to pitch. I forgot the need to explain everything to a yankee fan.
Yankess have won what lately? And that is with your 300 million dollar payroll. You are irrelevant, people hate you because you are you, it has nothing to do with being relevant. Who hates the cubs and dodgers? Both pathetic teams, and the Dodgers don’t spend any money on their team. The cubs haven’t won anything in 100 years, and spend with reckless abandon, why hate them? Again, showing your stupidity.
by bruinbrah on Dec 22, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tissue?
“You seem to love divisions so i will start there. STFU about your division” – are you crying?
“people hate you because you are you” – yeah the winningist franchise in sports history.
And you are well…..in Anaheim.
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Impressive
Do you work for the Yankees’ front office? Are you on the team? Probably they play on TV, and you watch. Maybe you even go to a game once in awhile (but not too many, because those tickets are expensive). You might even have a baseball cap. We are all very impressed.
by Suboptimal on Dec 22, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you post more...
…because you’re cracking me up. The Yankees…what lovable losers.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 22, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
all your postseasons are belong to us!
Kotch would've had that.
by howiestheman on Dec 22, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Heh. Rec'd.
I don't know...I'm makin' this up as I go.
by ArkAngel on Dec 22, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we like sports alot actually
we probably just enjoy going outside and living life just a hair more than liking sports enough to pick internet fights with people on the other side of the country.
I love the angels and couldnt care less how theyre viewed by anyone else but me. If im ever at the point where i need strangers to approve of a freaking baseball team i support, i’ve failed at life. If you ever see me on a red sox or yankees board talking like you, i’ll probably be close to killing myself.
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 22, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he should go outside and shovel some snow, already.
I’d head to the beach, but it dipped down to sub 65-degrees. BRRRRRR!
by Downing Rules on Dec 22, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee fan
where do you live? Have you ever been to a Yankee game? Can we tawk.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 22, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He/she/it lives as a random name blogging EXCLUSIVELY on HalosHeaven on behalf of Yankees fans everywhere. What a great existence.
by Downing Rules on Dec 22, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
judging by all of the bullshit drama envolving Scott Boras'es clients.
Nothing is set in stone.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Much RESPECT for Angels Management
for trying to put an end to this. There is no coinsedence that the Angels are calling Scott on this becaus of the offer on the table to Manny.
The Angels management is getting tired of Scott’s bullshit!
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So if the Angels signed Tex
You wouldn’t respect them anymore?
by Highlanders on Dec 21, 2008 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NOW......NO absolutely not!
Our owner is a man of his word. Tex is not coming here unless Arte is good with it. And right now, Arte ain’t down with Tex & Scott.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 22, 2008 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about that....
If Arte did everything he said he would to retain Tex, then why not disclose the dollar amount of our offer for him? What’s the point in keeping it a secret now?
by mustard_man on Dec 22, 2008 2:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we are sick and tired of Scott Boras as Angels fans.
then if we want to make our voices heard while at the same time, voice the majority of MLB’s frustration with Borass, than we have the perfect opportunity to Boo and Heckle this A-hole while he’s in our stadium.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 21, 2008 9:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ooooooo
First of all if you think Booing is going to make Scott Boras re-think his tactics, you have a lot to learn.
Second, if California fans could actually drum up enough energy to do ANYTHING resembling a strong opinion either way, I think the Bambino would rise from the dead.
Face it, Angel fans won’t boo because they don’t know what they’re supposed to do unless a bright electronic jumbotron tells them to “MAKE SOME NOISE”!!!!!
Is it really surprising players would want to go to the east coast to play?
by Highlanders on Dec 21, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
…booing generally has nothing to do with energy. It’s usually just rude. And so is making blanket generalizations about large and heterogeneous groups of people.
It really does surprise me that some players prefer the East. Aside from the media circus and ridiculous expectations, eighteen inches of snow this weekend says: if I had $180 million, I would be moving to LA tomorrow.
by Suboptimal on Dec 22, 2008 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I aree
about “making blanket generalizations about large and heterogeneous groups of people”
That’s just all I’ve been reading on this blog about East coasters, it’s funny to see it’s not appreciated back at you.
Of course not ALL West Coast Fans are clueless and without passion, but a lot are, and players who crave the spotlight and cities that care about sports do prefer the East. That’s all. And yes, even if they have to put up with that scary stuff called SNOW. Yikes.
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I live on the East Coast
It’s not so great here. The college football scene is terrible. The Knicks suck, and no one seems to care about the Celtics, who are actually good. I don’t need to bring up the weather again.
by Suboptimal on Dec 22, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but youre not getting his point
he loves sports more than we do and is therefore better than all of us.
Of course, sports fandom is typically indicated by how much escape one needs in their life, the biggest, most die-hard fans who boast their fandom being those who have either 1.) no life, or 2.) a miserable one.
let him win this one
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 22, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately I have to agree with your jumbotron comment.
When I'm not at the stadium, I'd rather be watching my Halos back in Costa Rica!
by Dono Romantico on Dec 22, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad we agree on something
I’ll never forget my first time in Anaheim (NOT LA) and saw how many electronic signs were TELLING the fans to Cheer. I couldn’t stop laughing. A fanbase that has to be told to cheer?!! And when it’s a good time to cheer?? Hillarious.
That and the whole monkey videos thing. It’s definitely an experience.
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are so much "higher" than us, aren't you?
;)
by Downing Rules on Dec 22, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No it's just that we've
figured it out, while you keep whining about how unfair it is that the east coast gets all the good players. You want someone?
Pay for it.
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pay for it
Spoken like a true Yankee fan. Nevermind you guys spend about $100 mil more than anyone else.
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 22, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're actually comparing the AL East
to The WORST division in baseball AL West?
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NL West is the worst.
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 22, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does it make you feel better
dissing the AL West when the Yankees sucked and the Angels were arguably the best team in baseball?
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 22, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like a yankee
To live off of the glory days. Makes sense Springsteen was a jersey kid right? Thought you tough-guy-hard-nose-new-yorkers lived by the motto “what have you done for me lately?” With regard to the skanks, absolutely nothing better than 3rd place.
by bruinbrah on Dec 22, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize
We made the playoffs 13 years in a row before last year right?
Not a very convincing argument.
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When you outspend the competition
up to 8 to 1 then that (playoffs) should be a given – not something to be proud of.
Competitive inbalance run amok – and you beat your chest?
Yes – the Halos have recently been able to begin spending more – but nothing (NOTHING) like the level the Yankees do.
Outfielders For Sale! This weeks special...GMJ - see Tony for details!
by gorams77 on Dec 22, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Because We
Actually WANT our team to be better. Apparently your owner could care less.
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Teams have limits
Ignorance is not a good look my man.
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 22, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your blowhard of an owner likes pissing cash away
Damon – Stupid contract
Posada – WTF?
Burnett – Let me know how an injury prone starter who does not fufill his potential works out for you.
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 22, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hang on to this complaint
when you’re team is still not signing anyone
by Highlanders on Dec 22, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy ignoring inefficiency because the Yanks spend more.
REally admirable. Boy am I jealous.
Get fucking lost. You bring nothing to the table.
This is the worst offseason in years. I do not even want to talk about it.
by hauldog on Dec 22, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not all teams
have unlimited resources like the Yankees. Our payroll was about 70 million dollars less than yours and we still won more games and made the playoffs.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 22, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude, youre so cool.
i mean really, youre like, the king of this blog man! Seriously! high five! We’re all wrong and youre so right. Im going to stop supporting the angels now because of you. I cant believe the level of enlightenment ive received from your genius, borderline life-changing insight
by ihearhowie2.0 on Dec 22, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if we dont at least get manny this offseason is gonna be a headscratcher
by ccross on Dec 21, 2008 9:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We're not going to get Manny Ramirez.
Don’t you feel that in your gut? Because I feel that’s the case, and pretty strongly.
Who knows, maybe I’m completely off base here, hopefully so.
A couple of the main reasons for my instincts:
1. When Tex finally signs with Boston, there’s simply NO WAY that the Yankees are going to let the Sox steal their thunder (the thunder being the signings of their 2 pitchers to a quarter billion dollars) with the last big move of the hot stove league. NO WAY that will happen, and they know there are a number of reasons why signing Manny will steal the thunder back on their side.
2. Manny is another Boras client. If we just went through this with Tex, then why in the world would our management wanna turn around and go through it again with Manny? I don’t see us doing that.
3. Whenever there is a free agent that either Boston or New York covets, then we might as well move on. Because Boston has repeatedly proven in the past few years that when they truly want someone they go get him. Texeira is no different. In New York’s case they simply have significantly more dollars than us, and they’re willing to throw caution, and their checkbook, to the wind. They can very easily outbid us for ANY player. I truly believe the Yanks, if and when Boston signs Texeira, will suddenly feel much more strongly about getting ManRam in pinstripes.
4. Boras will make teams wait for Manny. The Yankees will linger as long as necessary to try and get the best deal they can; we’ve just shown Boras that we are not willing to sit around and be a pawn in his game. I see the Yankees finally signing Manny for 3-4 years, at something like 22 million per.
I feel pretty sick about all of this. However, it’s time to finally nut up about this, and say forget signing any of the other guys; they are all significant downgrades from Tex or Manny. Those 2 guys are difference makers. We already have more than enough pretty good major league players, we have a pretty deep team that’s definitley built for the regular season and not the playoffs, but that’s the way it goes. And pitching is definitely NOT what we need. Anyone can see that if they look even semi close. How many starters do we need? Only 3 of them will be pitching when it counts, and you don’t need to have the best 5 man rotation to win the WS. You need a couple of guys who can go out and will themselves to shut out the Red Sox in the playoffs, because we’re definitely not gonna score much on Lester or Beckett (when he’s healthy). Peavy? he’s not gonna hit on our team (maybe he should). We should probably be looking at the list of free agents next fall and make our intentions clear, provided the player is someone who actually WANTS to be an Angel. There’s no reason to settle for second tier guys, they won’t get us where we need to go.
If we’re looking to make a blockbuster trade it should not be for Peavy; it should be for one of the best offensive players in the game. I don’t know who that is, but if it’s not an offensive player forget about it.
And we better improve the offense soon, because if you think losing Tex sucks, imagine how it will feel when Lackey jumps ship, and decides to go somewhere he thinks he can win a title. Guess where that might be? That day would REALLY suck.
by goodvibe61 on Dec 21, 2008 11:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We're not gonna get shaite
Johnny Rivers was the big catch. Bernie Madoff Stole the show. Season ticket holders left the gate.
by Kristy_Joe on Dec 22, 2008 12:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
Maybe the Big Unit will fit.
by Kristy_Joe on Dec 22, 2008 12:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
When Escobar comes back our rotation is more than fine.
We don’t need to focus on more starters. And no, I don’t want to spend time in this column debating whether or not Kelvim should go to the pen (definitely not; who wants a guy who, when healthy can compete for the Cy Young, throwing 100 less innings in the pen?); that’s not the point.
The point is we have more quality starting pitching than about 90 percent of the teams in the MLB. We lack consistent offensive production. We have for years, and we still have not solved it. And we must.
We don’t need Peavy. We don’t need the Big Unit. We don’t need Ben Sheets. No, No, and No. We need HUGE bats to complement our fine pitching. If we decide to trade away 3 or 4 of the young guys that teams feel are worth something, trading for pitching will be a tragic mistake; those kids will be gone and we will have failed to solve our glaring weakness. It is unacceptable.
by goodvibe61 on Dec 22, 2008 12:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Be happy
Be happy winning AL West titles and flaming out in the AL Championship series. When you get to this level of competition, Boston, NY, TB all have great pitching. Pitching and defense only goes so far without a very good offense.
by mustard_man on Dec 22, 2008 2:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean
flaming out in the AL Division series.
by Chzburger Jones on Dec 22, 2008 5:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
Yes, thanks for the correction.
by mustard_man on Dec 22, 2008 5:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Marley sings...
“No Teixeira, no cry.”
by Downing Rules on Dec 22, 2008 11:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What a relief
I’m just glad it’s over. Regardless of whether we signed him or not, I’m taking great satisfaction knowing I don’t have to wake up every morning and check ESPN or here to see if he’s signed with us. What a relief. It doesn’t matter if he signs with the Red Sox, Yankees, Nationals, Orioles, or whoever. We can move on. We will move on. We will spend less money, and get quality in return. I’ve posted before about Kendry Morales not being Teixiera on offense and defense, but could he put up half to three quarter of Tex’s numbers in his first full year starting? I think so. I also think Adam Dunn could make up the power numbers. Morales and Dunn could and would equal Tex and GA power numbers. Not RBI’s… but Rivera and Dunn could and likely would or thereabouts. How about the DH spot? Little or no production out of there last year. Dunn is a solid man there. It’s possible we’ll go after Peavy now. We’ll see….
by matt92130 on Dec 22, 2008 11:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
you really think it is over?
Teix-watch 2008 is bigger than this rainstorm we are enduring in the LA area right now.
by Downing Rules on Dec 22, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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