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Kendry Morales

I’m getting tired of everyone bitching about Morales not being able to get the job done at 1B, without seeing him get consistent playing time in the MLB. Do YOU know who Kendry Morales is? Do YOU know how good he is? Do YOU know his work ethic? Do YOU know if he is better than Casey Kotchman? The Answer is NO!!!!

No one knows how good he is going to be or if he is better than Kotchman or Teixiera. So why don’t we use some logic. There is a guy that had the title of Director of Player Development. Legend has it that he produced 15 Division Titles, 3 League Titles, and 18 playoff births in 5 years. He oversaw our up and coming players, swing by swing, hit by hit, stride by stride, and most importantly learned their strengths and weaknesses. If there is anyone that can answer the questions of…. Why Was Kotchman Traded? Why was Tex not signed? Why are we handing the starting 1B job to Kendry Morales? The name of that man is TONY REAGINS.

Tony Reagins oversaw both Kotchman and Morales. Tony Reagins traded Casey Kotchman. Tony Reagins said MORALES IS READY. Why do you suppose he did that? I don’t know, but if I had to take a wild guess I would have to say, "Because Morales IS BETTER than Casey Kotchman."

Put it this way, if you had 2 cars for 5 years that both were in excellent condition and your wife (or hubby) told you, YOU HAD to get rid of one, which one would it be? Obviously you would keep the best one and give up the other one even though it was also good and you were attached to it. That’s the same kind of decision Tony Reagins had to make, Morales or Kotchman, and I will stand by his decision because he knows those players better than anyone of us. No disrespect to Kotchman, he is an AWESOME player and I would have liked to have them both on our team but that was not possible. Put KENDRY MORALES at 1st Base, Now LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!

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Hail Acuda!!!

Totally agree and great post

by mastermind565 on Dec 25, 2008 5:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Offense vs Defense

There is no doubt the Kendry can and probably will be better offensively than Kotch. The difference is that Kotch had gold glove caliber skills.

legen... wait for it... dary

by thebigA on Dec 25, 2008 5:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hes not far of man. I agree Kotch IS better but Kendry is VERY GOOD on Defense too.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Dec 25, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very good is a stretch...

I just hope he is AVERAGE with the glove. Kendry mashes is batting practice, so if he can start duplicating that during games, I can forgive a few mistakes. Kendry is making progress with the glove no doubt, but very good is a really big stretch.

Peanuts...Get your Overpriced Peanuts!

by Angel Hawker on Dec 27, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AS long as Kendry isn't a butcher at first

His bat will make or break any further advancement he makes playing for the Angels.

by BBFan1 on Dec 25, 2008 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm

No shit I fall into that range……thats why I said ONLY TONY REAGINS can make that decision. The only reason we traded Kotch was because we had to get rid of either Morales OR Kotchman, so he got rid of Kotchman WHILE ALSO TRYING TO WIN THE WORLD TITLE!!!

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Dec 25, 2008 6:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

I’m glad I read the entire page before I attempted to make these exact same points. While I am stoked to see what Morales is capable of full-time, the arguments in the original post could so easily be made for the other side as well… except for the that whole car analogy debacle. This has less to do with the argument presented, and more to do with a man-crush that is, on occasion, borderline-bizarre. I am a fan, and I’m comfortable with him in the lineup, but not enough to make me forget that there is a hole yet to be filled, or should I say, re-filled.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Dec 25, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Give Kendry a chance!

Who knows, he might be good for a year or 2.

But I have to warn you that I think the projections for Quinlan, Kotchman, McPherson and Wood were all better (for their first expected big league season).

The Halos just need to have a plan B ready to roll. If the price is right I like Giambi.

by elricsi on Dec 25, 2008 6:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Who is Kendry Morales?

Francisco Rodriguez: 2006 to Present: 149 saves. 5 Panthers. As fabulous as Pride, Romero, Gregg, Budde and Dino Ebel combined.

by Stirrups on Dec 25, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WHO is Karim García?!?!?

Tex is a Yank...now our counter move is what?

by hk47 on Dec 26, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

preach it, acuda!!

i, for one, am stoked that Morales (and hopefully Wood) is getting an everyday job.
time to let the kids play and step up!

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 25, 2008 9:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kendrick, Morales, Adenhardt, Jepsen, and Willits

For Peavy and Gonzales

But seriously, Acuda, I think there is a very good chance that your boy is going to get his shot this year.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Dec 25, 2008 10:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Gonzalez STILL isn't going anywhere

there’s absolutely ZERO chance that he gets traded this year. ZERO.

but i’d still do Aybar/Figgins, Adenhart, Jepsen and a prospect for Peavy

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 25, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I said "but seriously"

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Dec 25, 2008 11:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

apparently

i missed that part.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 25, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gonzales is the perfect Padre

Great player, no money

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Dec 25, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They might have considered moving him

If he hadn’t signed that extension two years ago. Otherwise, right now they’d have to start paying him serious money through arbitration, and they’d only get to keep him for two more years before becoming a pricey free agent. Unfortunately for the Angels, the Padres get two more years of him for less than $8 million, and then a $5.5 million option after that. They might listen in another year or so if that Kyle Blank kid they have in AA keeps hitting, but they’d still have to be really desperate.

by Suboptimal on Dec 26, 2008 12:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A little long....

I noticed Scott Spiezo wasn’t on the list for good defensive first basemen….which clearly he isn’t. Also, you were missing Tex on the list. You make good points…but when it comes down to it, Kendry is our first basemen. due to high costs Would you rather pay Tex $22 mil a year? Getting Tex was a calculated gamble in the first place. Now that dream is over.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Dec 25, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops, I guess I'm still working on that

pesky reply button; please see below.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 25, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spiezio was a Fantastic 1B...

he should have won the GG, but Seattle’s own “helmet-head” won it that year (’02?).

by Downing Rules on Dec 27, 2008 7:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

The prospect game is a crapshoot. Even if a guy plays well, there’s also no guarantee he stays healthy. An injury at a critical time in the development process can be fatal. If an established player like Teixeira spends most of a season on the shelf, he probably comes back a similar player to what he was before. When Dallas McPherson kept getting hurt at ages 25 and 26, he fell so far behind the growth curve that the Angels realized he would never hit the ceiling he had before.

That’s the best you can really do for a young player: establish a ceiling, and hope for the best. Kendry’s numbers give a good indication of his likely ceiling: he might be a return to the young Garret Anderson. That’s great, I’ll take it any day. But there was already a pretty good Garret Anderson in last year’s lineup. At least for the next couple of years, Morales is more of a lateral move for the offense than a step up. You can’t blame the fans for wanting to see more out of the team.

by Suboptimal on Dec 26, 2008 1:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My point was that more prospects fail than produce (which I stand by)

and that comparing Morales to Teixeira and Pujols (as Acuda has done) is hardly an example of “logic.”

I’m all for our prospects succeeding and, again, will be rooting for Kendry every single AB.

And I agree in regard to Lansford, Thon, et al; you won’t find any posts from me suggesting that we trade Kendry or Wood or Sean Rodgriguez (though I wouldn’t be disappointed if a great deal were struck), only posts suggesting that ultra-strong loyalties to unproven young guys doesn’t make a lot of sense since, again, more fail than produce (and unless we’re making another Brunansky for Corbett, I’m always open to a good trade).

I love the fact that the Halos have won while bringing in SOME good young guys. And, no, I don’t want to return to guys like Jerry Reuss or Claudell Washington anytime soon (nobody heckled the aging Dave Winfield louder than I).

I’m not ripping the Angels for developing players (I like it), I’m simply calling into question Acuda’s blind love for Morales and for accusing those of us who haven’t fallen in love with the guy quite yet as lacking logic.

Oh, and other than the fact that Howell hit 20+ HR twice in his career, he did suck. Career OBP of .318, career BA of .239? Only one career year with more than 20 doubles? He was Gary Pettis with a little pop. Pretty sucky (I’m an irrational Gary Pettis fan, incidentally, but he still, largely, sucked).

One of these days, Matt, you and I are going to sit down with our mutual friends, drink a few pivos, and have one hell of a fun time discussing the Angels and baseball (we were at UCSB in the same years and both have friends in Prague). Can’t wait.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When the Fuck did Compare him to Pujols or Teixiera?

I said,

No one knows how good he is going to be or if he is better than Kotchman or Teixiera.

I compared him to Kotch because that is who WE WON THE DIVISION WITH, not TEX WHO WE LOST IN THE PLAYOFFS WITH.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Dec 26, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not about to chase down your previous posts...

You may not have done it in this post but I recall you doing it more than once in the past (and then claiming to have been kidding when called on it).

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well If you say I was kidding then why did you bring it up?

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Dec 26, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You said you were kidding.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How does this work?

Kotchman gets the credit for winning the division, but since he was traded in July, Teixeira takes the blame for losing the ALDS? Kotchman came to the plate for the Angels in the 2004, 2005, and 2007 playoffs, you might remember, and they lost then too. Maybe we should blame Kotchman for losing three playoffs if we’re going to blame Teixeira for one.

by Suboptimal on Dec 26, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When the Fuck did you compare Morales to Pujols?

April 3, 2008 at 10:27 PM PST, for one…

“When he becomes an everday player, He will be up there with the Vlads, Fielders, Pujols……..Cant Wait”

(Google is a wicked master…)

by Stirrups on Dec 29, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He did suck in 1988?

Let’s look at that, shall we?

OK, he didn’t hit 20 home runs. Nor did any other 3Bmen in the major leagues that year except for Gary Gaetti, Bobby Bonilla and Howard Johnson.

Batting average? You’re right, not pretty — .254. But the league average was .256, and batting average was never the main source of Howell’s value. In park-adjusted OPS, he finished at 110 — 10 percent better than your average hiter — good enough for 11th in baseball. Not earth-shattering, maybe, but not teh suck.

by mattwelch on Dec 26, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, no, no...

thanks to your points above, I have to agree that those first four years aren’t nearly as sucky as I had remembered them. However, now that we look at the entirety of his career with the benefit of retrospect, I can confidently say that he sucked. I just can’t get past that .318 career OBP.

But, you’re right, he didn’t completely suck until a few years into his career…his first few years were his best. And then I think he was solid in Japan and then he sucked again when he returned to the US and the net result in the end, was complete suckiness.

 

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Having no dog in this fight

(i.e. I came to my Angels fandom long after Howell was out of baseball) I thought it might be interesting to take a look at Howell relative to his peers. I decided to use Baseball Prospectus’ VORPr, the rate at which he accumulates value relative to his replacement-level peers at the listed positions.

Year  Pos   PA  VORPr   Rank
——————————————————————————-
1986 3B 158 -.257 20/20
1987 LF 511 -.115 10/26
1988 3B 558 .139 6/18
1989 3B 533 .090 10/19
1990 3B 367 .098 11/23
1991 3B 271 -.071 19/28*

*BPro has him playing primarily second base for the Angels in 1991 that year, while his BRef page shows him principally at third. As a result, his 1991 VORPr and Rank numbers are completely suspect.

What I hope this chart makes clear is that Howell was never really anything like a star; he was a mediocrity for the most part, and at times, really bad. That was my basic problem with the argument that his career 103 OPS+ was anything close to “respectable”; not for a corner infield or outfield spot, no way. Had he been a shortstop, that might have been a different matter, but it seemed to me to be awfully low for a guy expected to pull down a traditional offensively-minded position. This becomes a lot clearer when you look at the leaders in VORPr and VORP over these years; you see names like George Brett, Carney Lansford, and Wade Boggs. Compared to those guys (two of whom are Hall of Famers, and one of whom — Brett — was a local boy from El Segundo), the dropoff was pretty severe.

Maybe there’s a platoon argument for Howell, something that seems to have materialized on his return to the majors in 1996 when he essentially stopped seeing left-handed pitching, but the supposed change in context you cite isn’t really a part of the discussion with how good he was relative to his peers.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Dec 26, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification

All ranks in the chart above, save for 1991, are for a players with a minimum of 150 plate appearances.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Dec 26, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And, to the point, Howell was a disappointment

in the Bigs because his monster AAA seasons made him a “can’t miss.”

Even the best AAA players of all time struggle to succeed in the Bigs sometimes.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually that is a BAD comparison

Morales NEVER BATTED UNDER .300 in the MINNOR LEAGUES!!!

Jack Howell batted .246 in 135 games and 451 At Bats……..so you cant compare him to Kendry Morales who hit .306 in his worst year in the Minnors.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Dec 26, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What are you talking about?

Jack Howell was, argubaly, one of the best AAA hitters ever.

You seem confused.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of a facile comparison, though

Salt Lake is a very hitter-friendly park; Edmonton isn’t at elevation, and while I don’t have park factors from the years that Howell appeared for Edmonton, it’s pretty clear that Howell’s 1985 were plenty respectable, .373/.470/.609.

One mildly disturbing difference between Howell and Morales is that Howell was a major league regular at age 24, where Morales will get his first real start as a starter at age 26. Mostly that happened due to the organization’s feelings about Kotchman, who kept getting opportunities to prove himself, but I think probably finally worked himself out of a starting job with his first half this year. I don’t really think that makes much difference, though, because if it weren’t for Kotchman, there’s little question that Kendry would have been the Angels’ starter this year.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Dec 26, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That didn't come out right

My point about bringing Edmonton into the mix was that it seems likely to me that it wouldn’t have been AS hot a hitter’s park as Salt Lake is currently. So it’s possible that Howell’s 1995, good as it was, could have been even better had he been hitting in Salt Lake.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Dec 26, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But that's a problem w/ expectations, not necessarily the player

Just because the team & the fans had a tough time translating AAA stats into MLB production, doesn’t mean the player was any worse or better than what his numbers actually produced.

I’d love to go back and chart expectations and MLE projections … that’s my next project, maybe. Point is, we should have a realistic expectation of a player, but we shouldn’t fling nonstop hostility at someone because expectations were unrealistic, or just not met for whatever reason. It’s better to look at someone like Jeff Mathis and ask “how can this guy help?”, rather than “why isn’t he Joe Mauer?” … even though they were spoken of in the same breath for a few years there.

by mattwelch on Dec 26, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the project you speak of would be VERY

interesting. Seriously.

I agree, though; I was a Jack Howell fan and my expectations were maybe similar to those of Acuda’s for Morales. Maybe that’s why I harp on all of this; it took me years to realize that these players for which I had high expectations probably would not become what I hoped. Live and learn, as they say.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you on Schoey...

at the risk of sounding homoerotic, the guy’s hands were among the softest I’ve ever seen. That dude could absolutely pick it.

Plus, I was at the infamous ‘86 game against the Tigers when he went walk-off grand slam so he’ll always be good in my book.

I’m still a Jack Howell fan. I’m still a Gary Pettis fan, too. I just wish both of them would have been better.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 10:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I had to talk my friends out of leaving.

To this day, they thank me for it whenever we see each other!

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 29, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

10th, 6th, and 10th-best out of 26 teams is your definition of "really bad"?

Dude, that is the definition of “respectable.” And it’s more than a little unfair to bust a guy’s chops for not producing a good counting stat in years where he only got 152 ABs worth of playing time (posting a 122 OPS+ in the process).

If a 103 OPS+ is in not “anything close to ‘respectable’” for a corner infield spot, then the following players, according to Scareduck, deserve our disrespect:

Tim Wallach
Todd Zeile
Travis Fryman
Kelly Gruber
Red Rolfe
Ray Knight
Gary Gaetti
Ken Oberkfell
Jimmy Dykes
Joe Crede
Terry Pendleton

Why, some of those guys were even contemporaries of Wade Boggs, George Brett and Carney Lansford!

You are right about one thing — Howell was a platoon player; he really could not hit left-handed pitching (neither could players a lot better than he, but he was truly brutal). But if you don’t think offensive context had anything to do with the hostility with which Howell continues to be treated, well, you’re wrong.

by mattwelch on Dec 26, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Reading comprehension skills strike again

The quote in full is “he was a mediocrity for the most part, and at times, really bad.” If mediocrity is respectable in your view, fine, but I’d like to see somebody in the top third, anyway, something Howell only managed once. As for your complaint about missing offensive context, I don’t follow; the issue is really how he did relative to his position-mates, not against the league in general (which is what OPS+ tells you). My argument was expressly that he wasn’t the peer of any of the era’s great 3B’s, where he mostly played over the first part of his Angels career, and it wasn’t anywhere near close.

Boggs, Brett, and Lansford I brought up as examples of the era’s great third basemen; as it happened, all three were on teams that were consistently in the postseason, which had a tendency to diminish, both numerically and psychologically, Howell’s accomplishments.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Dec 26, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What are you talking about, again?

I’d love to see someone in the top third (like, for instance, Jack Howell was in 1988, according to your VORPamatron), but I wasn’t responding to what we’d all love to see in our idealized third baseman, I was trying to comprehend my reading of your post that a career OPS+ of 103 was, is, and shall ever be “no way” “anything close to respectable.” It’s an asinine comment.

You’ll recall that my entry into this discussion was on the notion of whether Jack Howell “sucked.” NOT whether he belongs in the same breath as Carney freaking Lansford, or whether George Brett made the playoffs a lot. As part of THAT discussion (meaning, the one I’m having), expectations and interpretations of stats is extremely relevant, in my view/memory/experience.

by mattwelch on Dec 26, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel compelled to interject, as I helped to create this mess:

Jack Howell didn’t quite suck in 1988 (see above) but he sucked for his career.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And yet

Howell was middle of the freakin’ pack virtually his entire career save when he was used as a platoon player. Did he suck? No. Was he good? Not by a long shot, most of his career.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Dec 26, 2008 5:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Goalposts successfully moved!

Anyway, I thought it’d be funny to mention that in his first year in Japan, Howell led the league in batting average (.331) slugging percentage (.685), and was second in home runs (38). I think that proves everyone is right!

by mattwelch on Dec 26, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, his AAA and Japanese numbers were obscene!

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 10:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One more clarification

The rankings above were on a league basis.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Dec 26, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

KENDRY MORALES ALREADY PRODUCED what Kotchman Produced in 2007 WITH A HIGHER SLUGGING %

He had some consistent playing time in 2007 and HE PRODUCED. So are you satisfied?

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Dec 26, 2008 1:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

No, he hasn’t. Hopefully he will.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you click on the damn link????

He had a .294 BA compared to Kotchs .296 and he slugged higher than Kotch.

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Dec 26, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I did, even though I didn't need to...

Kendry played in 43 games that year, Kotchman played in 143. Kotchman’s 2007 was, for all intents and purposes, a full season. 119 AB (Morales) vs. 443 AB (Kotch). And even given the inapt sample sizes, Kotch’s OPS (119) was higher than Morales’ (111). Apples to oranges.

Sample sizes are significant since baseball is a game of statistics.

Oh, and his OBP was .333 campared to Kotch’s .372 (again, with Kotch playing a full season and Morales playing part time over 43 games).

Kendry hasn’t even approached Kotch’s 2007 as of yet because he hasn’t had a full-time chance. He’ll get it this coming season.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you can't win...

when you’re in love, you aren’t rational. Everyone on this board realizes what a man crush Acuda has on him. If you let him continue to dream that Kendry is Pujols V2.0 perhaps he’ll quit whining and we can move on to another subject… like the comparative suckitude of Jack Howell!

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 27, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot long ;-)

Didn’t include Mo Vaughn on the list either (or Lee Stevens); the larger point, really, is that Angel fans have been spoiled by good 1B (and CF) defense over the years and will notice the drop-off. And I didn’t include Teix (even though he might just be the best of them all) because he was such a short-timer.

I’m ready for Morales and have accepted Teixeira’s departure (he was gone when he said, after the ALDS elimination, that he felt “bad for those guys”), I would just like to see Acuda be more logical in his calls for logic.

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 25, 2008 11:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

His work ethic is unparalleled.

Who else can attempt to defect five times before he finally succeeded?

Call the cops, Martha ... Something's amiss over at Room 52 at the Ivanhoe Motel on Katella.

by PieceOfAase on Dec 26, 2008 1:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I suspect that 5 attempts...

…is probably around par

I see red people

by The Limey on Dec 26, 2008 4:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The annual "All Hail Kendry" post from Acuda

I’m looking forward to seeing him have a pop this year – I think he’s every chance of being a productive major league first baseman.

Nevertheless, let’s hold the coronation until he’s shown us what he’s actually capable of.

I see red people

by The Limey on Dec 26, 2008 4:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could have said that in two sentences ;-)

"…he has a 2 seam ‘heavy’ fastball that has sink but he does not throw a ‘sinker’." Angel Aviator on Jake Peavy.

by GarretSaysSuckIt on Dec 26, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Coronation......Im just saying TRUST IN REAGINS who TRUSTS in MORALES

Put Kendry Morales at 1B, and move Sean Rodriguez to 3B......NOW LETS GO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by acuda27 on Dec 26, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He trusts

Morales because he has no other choice. We have no Kotch or Tex… who would you have him play first next year??? Please don’t start with the ‘we traded Kotchman because Morales was more valuable’ thing again, because that just makes my head hurt.

Lamest poster of all-time.

by ineptituderunsamok on Dec 28, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Full confidence

I have full confidence in Kendry. He has the confidence to hit at the MLB level, from the ABs I’ve seen on TV. Defensively he just can’t f up. But he’s a switch hitter with more pop than Kotch, and he can’t be any slower.

He’ll never be Teix, plain and simple. But he won’t be far off from Kotch’s ’08 production in his first full season.

by Sethy on Dec 26, 2008 8:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

To many long posts!

lol. Very Simple Kendry is the guy right now. He is going to be given his chance. Whether he stinks or he does great he will keep playing we all know that, we have GMJ on the team. We should not even be mentioning him with the same sentence as Texeira unless it is to say he might have wiped his ass for some tips on defense. I hope he does great and I have a feeling he will. Go Kendry! Prove them all wrong!

"Throw some CHED!"

by angelskid2210 on Dec 26, 2008 9:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Im not bitching!

Love me some Kendry! I think at the moment, Teix was just more of sure bet. However with him gone(and GA and Garland and Frankie) I am REALLY excited to see how our young guys perform. It might not be another 100 win year but I got confidence in these guys and think that we will still win the division.

Believe in the K-MO!

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 26, 2008 10:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

This thread has provided a good laugh. First, anyone arguing that they’d rather have Kendry than Tex makes me glad they are not the Angels GM. Second laugh comes from actually reading the debates over Jack Howell’s productivity eight years after he retired.

Howell has a career average of .239, and he only had more than 100 ABs in a season four times. Hell, I’d take Thurston Howell III over Jack Howell !!!

Regarding Kendry, if it’s true that the Halos could have had Tex if they increased their offer to 8/176 – Arte made a mistake by not writing the check. I get the fact that it’s his money, but Tex is a proven star that is entering his prime. Kendry has not done anything noteworthy since he came up in 2006, and there’s nothing in his 377 ML at bats that shows anything close to being an “average” or “above average” ML first-baseman.

by mustard_man on Dec 26, 2008 2:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Disagree it was all about the dough

Tex jumped at the first Yankees offer. He already said his favorite place to play was the Bronx; all it took was a good competitive (not blow-me-away) offer from the Steinbrenner clan to snag him. I doubt any amount of cash from Arte would have gotten a deal done.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Dec 26, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

First, anyone arguing that they’d rather have Kendry than Tex makes me glad they are not the Angels GM.

Would it matter if they were the GM? Favoring or not favoring Tex produced the same result.

White trashin' the 909

by Red114 on Dec 26, 2008 3:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Does Anyone Really Think Things Through ?????

First of all i think we all can agree thay Tex is gone and Kendry is our guy !! Give him the shot, i do believe he will hit 15-18 homers, drive in 75 and hit .265 ………….. i will take that his first year. He really needs to concentrate on his defense this spring as Tex and Kotch saved us in alot of games diggging out throws with two outs and a runner on third. Now i have to address two more subjects …………………. why do so many of you believe that Woods is the next Cal Ripken, it amazes me how some players are so overrated. He has been up and down alot …………………… Winter Ball has sent him home twice because he can’t hit .220, trade him now while you can still get a premimum player before he becomes another Dallas Mac. Let’s face it he is a very good Triple A player, he can’t hit an off-speed pitch or curvr ball …………… he has proven that. Let’s get Peavy for him now. Lastly let’s take advantage of the fact that we can get Peavy for Woods, Not proven Adenhart and Jepson ??? as reported. Do you really think we are going to keep Lackey ?? He is going to bolt so quick for the money not to mention the arrogance and big head he has gotten. Didn’t any of you watch him pitch last year ……………………… everytime he gave up a big hit or home run Nap or Mathis would start to go out to the mound and he would tell them to get the F_ _ k behind the plate …………………. real team guy !! So wouldn’t it be great to have Peavy to move into that ace spot if we lose him. Ever since he won that seventh game of the World Series he thinks his shit don’t stink. I know from a very reliable source that has seen him frequent an orange county club and how he struts around rude as hell. We also need a bat that has been consistent to protect Vlad and Dunn would fit perfectly at a price Arte would feel comfortable with. Look at this projected line-up :

1. Figgy / 3rd
2. Izzy / SS
3. Vlad / RF
4. Dunn / DH
5. Hunter CF
6. Rivera / LF
7. Howie / 2nd
8. Morales / 1st
9. Nap / C

Starters :

Lackey
Peavy
Santana
Saunders
Weaver

Jose A.
Shields
Oliver
Escobar ( Hopefully )
Spiers ( 2007 return )

I would put that team up against the Yankees or Red Sox anyday at an affordable payroll. Before responding take a look at the stats and think about it !!!!

by cookieman 57 on Dec 26, 2008 5:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like it

The only two moves you made was the FA signing of Adam Dunn, a power bat. Granted, he’s not going to hit for the same average as Tex, but he’ll provide more power. Juan Rivera will be an upgrade over GA… like that or not. And I believe Morales will provide decent numbers out of the DH hole which, we had next to zero production out of last year.

The Peavy deal has to be done for two reasons; in the event Lackey leaves for the dough, and two, it solidifies the title, “Best rotation in baseball”.

Pitching, defense, and timely hitting is how you win championships. Pitching being first.

by matt92130 on Dec 26, 2008 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"why do so many of you believe that Woods is the next Cal Ripken"

Name one person on this site who does, and maybe it’ll be easier to answer your question.

by mattwelch on Dec 26, 2008 9:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i think he looses all credibility

until he learns the names of our players.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 26, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(Sigh)

If you know who he’s referencing, just go with it smart ass.

by matt92130 on Dec 29, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

funny funny

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Specializing in maniac-ball since 2000

by halofan4life on Dec 27, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Napoli essentially is a poor man's Adam Dunn

but one and good and more is better, right?

we already under-use Napoli (though i’ll concede that it’s partly due to injury), so why would we go after another one of him?

the sad part is that we need SOOOO much more of 1’-5’, and management ignores it

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 27, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I don’t want to see the Angels turn into the A’s, but right now the lineup is just stacked with aggressive contact hitters. When everyone has the same approach at the plate, it makes it easy on the opposing pitchers. When the other team takes a lead, the opposing starter can pitch seven or eight innings before hitting 110 pitches. Then the game goes straight to the back-end relievers, bypassing the “soft” middle innings guys who aren’t as good. That’s how to lose a playoff game.

No one besides Napoli is going to slow the game down and make the pitcher work for an out. According to Fangraphs, Angels hitters swung at pitches outside the zone 28.9% of the time—the highest figure of any team in baseball. It’s not surprising then that only 48.9% of the pitches the Angels lineup saw were strikes. That’s by far the lowest in baseball: #1 and #29 on the list are separated by only 3.0, but the Angels are 1.2 lower than #29. There’s just not enough balance in the lineup.

by Suboptimal on Dec 27, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nobody wants us to become the A's

but there is a team that has figured out the balance…. (as much as it pains to say) the Red Sox.

they have figured out the balance between speed, contact, patience and power and are now using it to be very, very successful. this is the model we should be looking to.

there’s no excuse for swinging at THAT many pitches outstide of the zone. none whatsoever.

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 27, 2008 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Redsox

whats the big deal with using the Redsox? yeah they have won 2 WS in the last 5 yrs. so what, its not like there dominating the league more then the Angels as a team. yes they do have a good combination on offense. they got very lucky in 04. so we could be talking about only 1 WS in 5 yrs.

by HALO_86 on Dec 27, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

look at their lineup

and look at the numbers… they’re good, man.
they’ve got the balance that we need.
if we could get some big power and patience (even in one or two players), we’d have it too.
we’re just a bit short right now

Kotch would've had that.

by howiestheman on Dec 27, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Redsox

i didn’t mean imply that they weren’t good. i just feel like people are soo envious of other teams when no team really is that much more dominant. with a combination of a bad div, good pitching, defense, this team did manage to win 100 games. its not easy to do that no matter what. yeah would i like to see better discipline at the plate? of course, but i don’t want our guys to lose their aggressive attitude with their bats.

by HALO_86 on Dec 28, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1' through 5'

makes me feel like I’m reading a Calculus textbook.

by Chzburger Jones on Dec 28, 2008 5:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not a coincidence

I certainly read enough of them in college.

by Suboptimal on Dec 28, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Former math major

became CS instead due to a clerical error, believe it or not!

Angels fan since '67

by red floyd on Dec 29, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kendry

Was never hyped up like Kotchman, McPherson, Mathis and the other top prospects. He may have been held in high regard two or three years ago, but was bypassed in the system by Kotchman and kind of flew under the radar for the last couple of years.

I like Kendry’s chances of becoming a productive player. Comparing him to someone like Jack Howell is like someone comparing Casey Kotchman to Travis Lee [an elite first base prospect who flamed out]. I’m sure people would still be offended by that.

Everyone is willing to give Brandon Wood a chance despite early MLB failure, why not this Kendry guy? At 25/26, with a year or so under his belt, Kendry is probably primed to have several good years.

I don’t think he is someone who has had trouble with playing in the Major Leagues – he needs 500 at-bats, knowing he won’t be going up-and-down.

by BBFan1 on Dec 26, 2008 7:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow, this post turned out good

Way to go Acuda.

Angel Pitching, Angel Defense - get past that.

by vladtheimpaler on Dec 26, 2008 8:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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